The Hindus (pro) and the Sikhs (against) are piling into the Chief Rabbi’s row with Jeremy Corbyn too now. Just the Jedis left to come and that’s a religious full house. Take a bow, #GE2019 https://t.co/PgOSt3JXGJ
The Protestants, Catholics, Baptists and various other Christian denominations are on the phone. They'd like to hav a little chat about your definition of "full house"
What a contrast, calm, polite Corbyn and frantic, bulbous Neil.
I get the feeling that Neil has an inflated opinion of his own skills as an interviewer, almost a bullying style. He doesn't seem to be denting Corbyn at the moment.
Neil has destroyed him...may well happen to Boris as well...but he's destroyed him none the less.
If you want to use the royal ‘we’ then use it on a partisan web site or make it plain whom-we are
We = all right thinking people.....
I agree that it is a disaster but equally feel Johnson is almost as bad and less principled than corbyn in his views on which both are wrong most of the time. Right yes correct no. Lib dem member speaking!
The theory is called 'Reader Response' some people have made up their mind before the interview started.
Corbyn is doing well at the moment, no major gaffes.
He’s admitted his whole tax policy is a lie and that the money he will use for increased pensions is insufficient to cover it. What would a major gaffe be?
OT. Miriam Margolyes excellent on Ch 4 News in defence of Jeremy Corbyn. I happen to know her and she is a woman of the utmost integrity and what's more unlike most commentators on this subject by virtue of her age and history she knows what she's talking about.
That wasn’t a car crash. That was a motorway pileup followed by a nuclear missile incoming. Good grief. I will say he did manage to keep it more or less together though. A couple of times it looked as though he was going to go shouty. But he didn’t. But my goodness, he was seriously out of his depth.
The theory is called 'Reader Response' some people have made up their mind before the interview started.
Corbyn is doing well at the moment, no major gaffes.
He’s admitted his whole tax policy is a lie and that the money he will use for increased pensions is insufficient to cover it. What would a major gaffe be?
OT. Miriam Margolyes excellent on Ch 4 News in defence of Jeremy Corbyn. I happen to know her and she is a woman of the utmost integrity and what's more unlike most commentators on this subject by virtue of her age and history she knows what she's talking about.
New poll: Labour up 3, Tory lead down to 8, with Ashcroft, though the methodology is unusual: he downweights everyone by their lack of certainty to vote, so the total are less than 100: Con 36, Lab 28, LD 15, BXP 9 (asked only in seats where they're standing). Lots and lots of other data too, including the important one that 51% of LDs now say they'll vote Labour if Lab has a better chance (and 69% vice versa) - these figures are well up on previous polls. Survey done Nov 21-25.
OT. Miriam Margolyes excellent on Ch 4 News in defence of Jeremy Corbyn. I happen to know her and she is a woman of the utmost integrity and what's more unlike most commentators on this subject by virtue of her age and history she knows what she's talking about.
There is no defence for Corbyn
Would you like to list the instances of anti semitism that particularly offend you? Two or three will do.
The theory is called 'Reader Response' some people have made up their mind before the interview started.
Corbyn is doing well at the moment, no major gaffes.
He’s admitted his whole tax policy is a lie and that the money he will use for increased pensions is insufficient to cover it. What would a major gaffe be?
Sad to say, but I think cutting off his own feet on tax is more damaging than his bizarre comments on antisemitism. Those are already priced in. But publicly saying his manifesto is wrong - that’s not good. That could be hugely damaging for him.
A very poor start from Corbyn on anti semitism . He got better after that but I’ve yet to see an AN interview that wasn’t brutal .
A horrible half hour for Labour but I doubt Bozo will fair much better .
How did he do in the Tory leadership interview, and will AN have any new lines of questioning? The advantage he has is that he most obvious weakspot is Brexit, but he won’t actually mind that getting back onto the headlines. Remind the leavers what they are voting for.
OT. Miriam Margolyes excellent on Ch 4 News in defence of Jeremy Corbyn. I happen to know her and she is a woman of the utmost integrity and what's more unlike most commentators on this subject by virtue of her age and history she knows what she's talking about.
There is no defence for Corbyn
Would you like to list the instances of anti semitism that particularly offend you? Two or three will do.
Mad shouty labour leader wants to give us, a retired couple with 50k income and significant assets, 30k + when I can’t spend what I have. Why did the stupid bugger not sit down and think how this could actually be spun positively I can only assume that the ‘genius’ behind the labour campaign thinks voters are even more stupid than the Tory genius thinks they are.
Mad shouty labour leader wants to give us, a retired couple with 50k income and significant assets, 30k + when I can’t spend what I have. Why did the stupid bugger not sit down and think how this could actually be spun positively I can only assume that the ‘genius’ behind the labour campaign thinks voters are even more stupid than the Tory genius thinks they are.
Mad shouty labour leader wants to give us, a retired couple with 50k income and significant assets, 30k + when I can’t spend what I have. Why did the stupid bugger not sit down and think how this could actually be spun positively I can only assume that the ‘genius’ behind the labour campaign thinks voters are even more stupid than the Tory genius thinks they are.
Why didn’t they say they’d means test it?
Yeah, it'd be popular and cost a fraction of the current proposal.
At last, Corbyn properly confronted with the lie that only the top 5% will pay more tax. And as for Waspi, John Rentoul's tweet is correct. Labour are clueless on funding their spending, and the the Tories should hammer Labour on this together with borrowing money to compensate the likes of Emma Thompson, Sarah Ferguson and Diane Abbott.
Mad shouty labour leader wants to give us, a retired couple with 50k income and significant assets, 30k + when I can’t spend what I have. Why did the stupid bugger not sit down and think how this could actually be spun positively I can only assume that the ‘genius’ behind the labour campaign thinks voters are even more stupid than the Tory genius thinks they are.
Anecdotal, but signs in Finchley & GG are that the message is sinking in: vote Berger, get Corbyn. Besides which, they have precious little base support to build from, and (beyond lots of leaflets) have been pretty invisible so far.
Similar logic should help see the Tories home in next door Hendon as well.
Neil not only exposed Corbyn's anti Semitism, he also brutally exposed his jaw dropping economic illiteracy, which will probably do more damage than the racism. That section about the taxes is going to come back and haunt Labour. Deeply damaging interview, appalling timing if you're a Labour supporter, but I think even the most ardent apologist would have trouble spinning that one.
Mad shouty labour leader wants to give us, a retired couple with 50k income and significant assets, 30k + when I can’t spend what I have. Why did the stupid bugger not sit down and think how this could actually be spun positively I can only assume that the ‘genius’ behind the labour campaign thinks voters are even more stupid than the Tory genius thinks they are.
Mad shouty labour leader wants to give us, a retired couple with 50k income and significant assets, 30k + when I can’t spend what I have. Why did the stupid bugger not sit down and think how this could actually be spun positively I can only assume that the ‘genius’ behind the labour campaign thinks voters are even more stupid than the Tory genius thinks they are.
Why didn’t they say they’d means test it?
In effect he will, via taxing it as income.
It also gets accounted for when calculating benefits, which will be reduced for those receiving this bribe. The biggest gainers are the middle-class and well-off.
Neil not only exposed Corbyn's anti Semitism, he also brutally exposed his jaw dropping economic illiteracy, which will probably do more damage than the racism. That section about the taxes is going to come back and haunt Labour. Deeply damaging interview, appalling timing if you're a Labour supporter, but I think even the most ardent apologist would have trouble spinning that one.
Don't worry they'll keep spinning it. (just look at some of the comments on here).
The fact that he couldn't understand that government bonds were debt is truly shocking.
At last, Corbyn properly confronted with the lie that only the top 5% will pay more tax. And as for Waspi, John Rentoul's tweet is correct. Labour are clueless on funding their spending, and the the Tories should hammer Labour on this together with borrowing money to compensate the likes of Emma Thompson, Sarah Ferguson and Diane Abbott.
Javid started up the rebuttals today, I think he is going to have a bigger role than Boris over the next two weeks. Last time the Tories had no such go to person. Not saying it will work mind, but they will have some ammo after tonights performance.
Mad shouty labour leader wants to give us, a retired couple with 50k income and significant assets, 30k + when I can’t spend what I have. Why did the stupid bugger not sit down and think how this could actually be spun positively I can only assume that the ‘genius’ behind the labour campaign thinks voters are even more stupid than the Tory genius thinks they are.
With that framing, and particular combination of words and image, that could be a twitter post from the Conservatives.
Odd.
Maybe it’s a Zionist cabal inside the Beeb? Try that angle. Might work
You don't need a zionist cabal to be not doing your job as an independent broadcaster, I think. Given the intertwining of my own life with the Jewish life of my partner and children, I'm also unlikely to be receptive to thoughts of Zionist cabals.
Mad shouty labour leader wants to give us, a retired couple with 50k income and significant assets, 30k + when I can’t spend what I have. Why did the stupid bugger not sit down and think how this could actually be spun positively I can only assume that the ‘genius’ behind the labour campaign thinks voters are even more stupid than the Tory genius thinks they are.
Why didn’t they say they’d means test it?
In effect he will, via taxing it as income.
Have they said they'll do that?
All income, capital gains and dividends will be taxable at the same rate, so yes.
I'm very far from a Corbyn supporter but a lot of people on here and twitter are going to be looking a bit foolish if labour are up a couple of points by the week-end...
But after that anyone who votes anything but conservative risks putting Corbyn in power
No they don’t stop ramping the threat of labour a majority Johnson government will be disastrous just in a different way. I assume you believe this government represents your one Nate Tory view of the world along with the other now right wing tories who believe they are one nation versions?
3.2m now registered to vote since GE called. Still nearly 6m unregistered though
How does that compare with 2017?
Incidentally I was on a .gov website the other day and there was a banner at the top inviting anyone to register to vote. My own experience of UK government websites has been surprisingly positive over the last few years, particularly for things like car tax.
With that framing, and particular combination of words and image, that could be a twitter post from the Conservatives.
Odd.
Maybe it’s a Zionist cabal inside the Beeb? Try that angle. Might work
You don't need a zionist cabal to be not doing your job as an independent broadcaster, I think.
Ummm...news organisation has embarrassing clip of racist politician being impaled over his racism. News organisation uses it to illustrate news story that everyone is calling said politician and his party racist. Not seeing how that’s a breach of impartiality...
Analysis by the Electoral Reform Society shows that 3.2 million people have registered to vote since the general election was called.
This figure is 875,000 higher than the same period during the 2017 election, when 2.3 million people registered before the deadline - representing a 38% increase.
18-25 group up by more than 300,000 on GE 2017 26-35 group up by more than 200,000 compared to GE2017
Bodes well for closing the gap further in final 2 weeks imo.
Neil not only exposed Corbyn's anti Semitism, he also brutally exposed his jaw dropping economic illiteracy, which will probably do more damage than the racism. That section about the taxes is going to come back and haunt Labour. Deeply damaging interview, appalling timing if you're a Labour supporter, but I think even the most ardent apologist would have trouble spinning that one.
Corbyn was useless at everything. He struggled with every single question. And he struggled calamitously on tax, borrowing and Brexit.
That should be a game changer. But will anyone watch it? Does anyone care? Hmm.
For anyone wanting to know what Corbyn meant by issuing government bonds to pay for nationalised industries, in reality it means confiscation of private assets. As a young lawyer I inherited the admin of a number of very old trusts. In each one, the trust could not be wound up because the estate included ownership of government bonds, war bonds from WWI. Each year they paid out the equivalent of about £2 10 shillings per quarter but they couldn't be surrendered. In each case the original owner of the bonds had been dead for more than 50 years! It was only in recent years that the Government bought out the remaining value of the bonds to the ultimate heirs and of course in a great many cases the money just went straight back to the Exchequer because either there were no heirs or they couldn't be traced. That is why Corbyn and MacDonnell are keen on them. It is the ultimate form of the never never.
As for thinking the super rich would willingly pay "a little more tax", that will be a return to Labour in the 1970s when tax went up as high as 90+%. Andrew Neill was quite correct, the super rich will simply leave and take their money with them. Multi-national companies will offshore their registered offices and Corporation Tax revenues will plummet.
Mad shouty labour leader wants to give us, a retired couple with 50k income and significant assets, 30k + when I can’t spend what I have. Why did the stupid bugger not sit down and think how this could actually be spun positively I can only assume that the ‘genius’ behind the labour campaign thinks voters are even more stupid than the Tory genius thinks they are.
Why didn’t they say they’d means test it?
In effect he will, via taxing it as income.
Have they said they'll do that?
All income, capital gains and dividends will be taxable at the same rate, so yes.
But Labour have described it as compensation. Have they specifically stated that Waspi payments will be taxable?
I think it’s probably good for Labour if the media focus on the a-s bit of the interview. It’s not the swing vote damaging stuff.
It’s come to something though when the best thing that can be said about an interview was that the party leader lied about his actions then refused to apologise for them.
Neil not only exposed Corbyn's anti Semitism, he also brutally exposed his jaw dropping economic illiteracy, which will probably do more damage than the racism. That section about the taxes is going to come back and haunt Labour. Deeply damaging interview, appalling timing if you're a Labour supporter, but I think even the most ardent apologist would have trouble spinning that one.
Corbyn was useless at everything. He struggled with every single question. And he struggled calamitously on tax, borrowing and Brexit.
That should be a game changer. But will anyone watch it? Does anyone care? Hmm.
They don't need to have watched it live. This interview will dominate the headlines over the coming 48 hours. That is where the damage is done.
No apology over antisemitism (which would have been a very easy win to have taken - and shows where his sympathies really lie)
Neil not only exposed Corbyn's anti Semitism, he also brutally exposed his jaw dropping economic illiteracy, which will probably do more damage than the racism. That section about the taxes is going to come back and haunt Labour. Deeply damaging interview, appalling timing if you're a Labour supporter, but I think even the most ardent apologist would have trouble spinning that one.
Don't worry they'll keep spinning it. (just look at some of the comments on here).
The fact that he couldn't understand that government bonds were debt is truly shocking.
Is there a clip? It’s been clear for several years what Labour mean by “Govt bonds”. They think they can print it. Effectively it’s the “people’s quantitative easing” stuff.
I know nothing of Scottish politics, but fact is that the man shredded by Neil is the man Nicola Sturgeon is prepared prop up as prime minister of Britain (which would still include Scotland).
If Labour had ditched Corbyn after the VONC, they would very probably be in power by now
If Labour had ditched Corbyn after he lost the last GE, they would very probably be on the verge of taking power now
What will now be left after Corbyn?
If Labour only lose 50 seats the Corbynites could be difficult to shift from the top of the party. They'e need to lose more than that in order for a clear-out to take place.
Neil not only exposed Corbyn's anti Semitism, he also brutally exposed his jaw dropping economic illiteracy, which will probably do more damage than the racism. That section about the taxes is going to come back and haunt Labour. Deeply damaging interview, appalling timing if you're a Labour supporter, but I think even the most ardent apologist would have trouble spinning that one.
Corbyn was useless at everything. He struggled with every single question. And he struggled calamitously on tax, borrowing and Brexit.
That should be a game changer. But will anyone watch it? Does anyone care? Hmm.
I think the ratings won’t be as bad as Labour might hope for !
AN is brutal and pulls apart all politicians, if I was Bozo I’d call in sick !
3.2m now registered to vote since GE called. Still nearly 6m unregistered though
How does that compare with 2017?
Incidentally I was on a .gov website the other day and there was a banner at the top inviting anyone to register to vote. My own experience of UK government websites has been surprisingly positive over the last few years, particularly for things like car tax.
That should be a game changer. But will anyone watch it? Does anyone care? Hmm.
The full interview? No. That will probably not change many views. He was dire, but most people who pay attention to such things (on both sides) knew that already. What will damage Corbyn are the clips. The refusal to apologise, the admission that ordinary people will pay more tax, and the confession that his WASPI pledge is unaffordable. Those three clips played widely on TV could well hurt Labour badly. Especially the last two as it instantly removes the one area his supporters claim to see an advantage over Johnson, wrong though they are - honesty.
I'm very far from a Corbyn supporter but a lot of people on here and twitter are going to be looking a bit foolish if labour are up a couple of points by the week-end...
This is very possible but it’s also fair to say it won’t have done him any favours. Who knows that 2 points could have been 4 points if he hadn’t crashed and burned all over the news and internet.
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Corbyn is doing well at the moment, no major gaffes.
What would a major gaffe be?
Good grief.
I will say he did manage to keep it more or less together though. A couple of times it looked as though he was going to go shouty. But he didn’t.
But my goodness, he was seriously out of his depth.
But after that anyone who votes anything but conservative risks putting Corbyn in power
If any of the responses follow the details laid out here, then you know where the steer has come from.
Jeremy Corbyn: Hold my beer.
And some of us would enjoy that hugely if he weren’t up against this third rate apology for a politician.
Interested in the ComRes poll for tonight if not out yet - this is an absolutely critical stage of the campaign, now.
A horrible half hour for Labour but I doubt Bozo will fair much better .
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10426643/andrew-neil-interviewing-party-leaders-election/
We dont have that much in reserve do we?
No.
So he has to run a surplus. Lol.
Having said that Corbyn has never been a professional politician. He has been a fringe campaigner.
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1199393787149242368?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1199393787149242368&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/nov/26/general-election-parties-attack-each-others-spending-plans-after-manifestos-lay-differences-bare
this sums him up at times
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1199410801804746752
Odd.
Similar logic should help see the Tories home in next door Hendon as well.
The fact that he couldn't understand that government bonds were debt is truly shocking.
Not saying it will work mind, but they will have some ammo after tonights performance.
Incidentally I was on a .gov website the other day and there was a banner at the top inviting anyone to register to vote. My own experience of UK government websites has been surprisingly positive over the last few years, particularly for things like car tax.
News organisation uses it to illustrate news story that everyone is calling said politician and his party racist.
Not seeing how that’s a breach of impartiality...
This figure is 875,000 higher than the same period during the 2017 election, when 2.3 million people registered before the deadline - representing a 38% increase.
18-25 group up by more than 300,000 on GE 2017 26-35 group up by more than 200,000 compared to GE2017
Bodes well for closing the gap further in final 2 weeks imo.
If Labour had ditched Corbyn after he lost the last GE, they would very probably be on the verge of taking power now
What will now be left after Corbyn?
That should be a game changer. But will anyone watch it? Does anyone care? Hmm.
As for thinking the super rich would willingly pay "a little more tax", that will be a return to Labour in the 1970s when tax went up as high as 90+%. Andrew Neill was quite correct, the super rich will simply leave and take their money with them. Multi-national companies will offshore their registered offices and Corporation Tax revenues will plummet.
Interesting to see what minute Fernandinho gets his yellow card tonight. Pep normally gets them done
No apology over antisemitism (which would have been a very easy win to have taken - and shows where his sympathies really lie)
No understanding of his own tax lies
No answer to paying for his WASPI pledge
No answer on maintaining our security alliances
Most of these will cut through
https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1199398042086133761?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1199398042086133761&ref_url=https://order-order.com/
and there it is.
Think for yourself, pal, it'll save pain later.
Has Ms Sturgeon thought this through?
AN is brutal and pulls apart all politicians, if I was Bozo I’d call in sick !
4 hrs to go
What will damage Corbyn are the clips. The refusal to apologise, the admission that ordinary people will pay more tax, and the confession that his WASPI pledge is unaffordable. Those three clips played widely on TV could well hurt Labour badly. Especially the last two as it instantly removes the one area his supporters claim to see an advantage over Johnson, wrong though they are - honesty.