Labours manifesto seems to be going down like a bowl of cold sick in Bolton on Question Time?
Mildly encouraging if true. One does rather gather the impression that QT audiences are disproportionately comprised of lefties.
Any decent small c-conservative would be safely at home with a cup of tea, or perhaps cocoa, if not already in bed by this time of night.
I’m not watching but just received a message from someone who couldn’t believe how much people seemed to like the Labour policies on QT.
Who knows?
Of course Labour's policies are popular. Who wouldn't want free everything? With the media repeating endlessly that 95% of people won't pay anything.
The Conservatives have a massive job on their hands getting it through to people that the vast majority will be paying more - both in higher taxes and also (and perhaps more importantly) in higher interest rates.
How many 1st time buyers are looking forward to going into negative equity? Yet most people appear blissfully unaware of what is coming if Lab wins.
I have a Corbynista friend cheerfully spending the money her husband earns buying up property to rent out. Very puzzling behaviour.
So @GreenMachine - you put up a Norn Iron header and all you get it cricket, Trump and the equally neurotic English parties.
Personally I would stop MLA's pay immediately and tell any of them that if they are not back at work by a given date that they will be disbarred from public office for life
I don't get Labour's plan to tax private health at 20% - it's already included as an employee benefit in P11D so no change for basic rate taxpayers and for those above the 40% threshold it'll be a tax reduction ?!
Seems to be set to encourage private health insurance takeup by companies. Unless I'm missing something here...
Given the inattention to detail of our politicians its inevitable that many of the manifesto plans will have the opposite effect that they are supposed to.
True, though we all have a touching hope that party wonks behind the scenes ensure the policies do what its supposed to, even if terrible.
So have Cameron, Osborne, Clegg, Cable etc have anything to say about all the student bad debt that the ONS is now dumping on the government borrowing ?
So @GreenMachine - you put up a Norn Iron header and all you get it cricket, Trump and the equally neurotic English parties.
Personally I would stop MLA's pay immediately and tell any of them that if they are not back at work by a given date that they will be disbarred from public office for life
I need you all to forget that I once tipped Richard Burgon as Corbyn's successor at 100/1
Oh please God let TSE win that bet.
Burgon is a mystery. I assume Burgon the Labour Frontbencher is in fact an imposter, as the real Richard Burgon's wikipedia entry assures me that he is a Cambridge graduate.
Is there another Cambridge? In Cloud Cuckoo Land?
Are we sure he wasn't at Anglia Ruskin? I don't wish to besmirch that fine institution, but he is like living proof that A Levels are getting easier.
Your inference clearly besmirches Anglia Ruskin. I've never heard of it but I don't doubt your inference.
I don't get Labour's plan to tax private health at 20% - it's already included as an employee benefit in P11D so no change for basic rate taxpayers and for those above the 40% threshold it'll be a tax reduction ?!
Seems to be set to encourage private health insurance takeup by companies. Unless I'm missing something here...
Given the inattention to detail of our politicians its inevitable that many of the manifesto plans will have the opposite effect that they are supposed to.
True, though we all have a touching hope that party wonks behind the scenes ensure the policies do what its supposed to, even if terrible.
I suspect they spend their time in their twatter echo chambers.
So @GreenMachine - you put up a Norn Iron header and all you get it cricket, Trump and the equally neurotic English parties.
Personally I would stop MLA's pay immediately and tell any of them that if they are not back at work by a given date that they will be disbarred from public office for life
I don't get Labour's plan to tax private health at 20% - it's already included as an employee benefit in P11D so no change for basic rate taxpayers and for those above the 40% threshold it'll be a tax reduction ?!
Seems to be set to encourage private health insurance takeup by companies. Unless I'm missing something here...
ON TOPIC - NI reminds me of the prisoners dilemma. Everyone does best if they co-operate (elect the UUP/SDLP). But if community X elects its co-operator and community Y elects its hardliner then community Y extracts all the sweeties. But if both communities elect their hardliners then no-one gets any sweeties. It is very difficult to get into the box of everyone co-operating.
So @GreenMachine - you put up a Norn Iron header and all you get it cricket, Trump and the equally neurotic English parties.
Personally I would stop MLA's pay immediately and tell any of them that if they are not back at work by a given date that they will be disbarred from public office for life
Weak effort by the English in North Island.
???
I am not English
And that's why Jack Leach and not you is batting at 10 for England against New Zealand in North Island.
Right, anecdata: #1 - out in the week with some friends from school from two and a half decades ago. Politics little discussed apart from that one friend now in Guildford favours the Lib Dems as they are Remainiest. However, what struck me was the utter confidence of these people - almost everyone either setting up in business on their own, or buying a bigger house, or buying a second home. Clearly no-one cowed by the prospect of Brexit and/or Corbyn (delete whichever you like to fear most). One of these people was wearing a 'JC for PM' t-shirt two years ago, though his enthusiasm seems to have waned (particularly given that he is one looking to buy a holiday home). Will the Labour manifesto focus any of these minds? Probably not - a breezy confidence that all will be fine and a general unlikelihood of voting Conservative amongst this cohort will overcome that, I think.
#2 - discussing politics with my mother-in-law. She and most of her friends/family voted Remain but the negotiations have hardened attitudes, and are now firmly in the leave camp. Feeling is that MPs are playing silly buggers and that Boris should be given a chance with a majority. Particular scorn for local MP Antoinette Sandbach who claimed to be pro-leave while consistently voting to make leave impossible and who is being somewhat mendacious with her election literature (though I suspect no more than most). Also thinks (as one with connections to Catalonia) that Spain is behaving disgracefully and finds it alarming that our continental brethren are jailing people for holding referenda.
Based on which: Guildford LD gain, Eddisbury Con hold.
Yep, the age divide. Young Remania, Old Leaverstan.
I think your Guildford friends are right, though they will not like the cultural cringe of Brexit, they will remain prosperous. Sunderland will enjoy the sovereignty of the dole queue.
So @GreenMachine - you put up a Norn Iron header and all you get it cricket, Trump and the equally neurotic English parties.
Personally I would stop MLA's pay immediately and tell any of them that if they are not back at work by a given date that they will be disbarred from public office for life
Weak effort by the English in North Island.
???
I am not English
You referred to cricket. England are playing (badly) a game on North Island, NZ.
It was the weakest of weak puns and I apologize.
I guessed you weren't English, whar with the faded Mexican flag and all
The people of Bolton have not been won over by Corbyn
On the basis of this QT, they are poised to elect Chuka and the SNP.
Who is the woman from the Torygraph, she looks terrified?
A pretty pisspoor panel, but she does look a little over stimulated.
There's something anachronistic about Johnson's new Tory Party which hasn't been obvious since the early days of Thatcher. A lot depends on the zeitgeist. For all that the polls are saying this is by no means a popular government
I think this a deeply unpopular government that is one of the results of pitching "people against parliament". It is likely to get a stay of execution because of the appalling state of the Labour party, but not for long. The stench of incompetence and mendacity of the Tories cannot be covered up for long.
I don't get Labour's plan to tax private health at 20% - it's already included as an employee benefit in P11D so no change for basic rate taxpayers and for those above the 40% threshold it'll be a tax reduction ?!
Seems to be set to encourage private health insurance takeup by companies. Unless I'm missing something here...
Given the inattention to detail of our politicians its inevitable that many of the manifesto plans will have the opposite effect that they are supposed to.
I agree. None of them do detail but Labour did put DA on view today. I couldn't see whether she had wheels.
So @GreenMachine - you put up a Norn Iron header and all you get it cricket, Trump and the equally neurotic English parties.
Personally I would stop MLA's pay immediately and tell any of them that if they are not back at work by a given date that they will be disbarred from public office for life
Weak effort by the English in North Island.
???
I am not English
And that's why Jack Leach and not you is batting at 10 for England against New Zealand in North Island.
In 2017, Labour manifesto turned heads. Due to May's utter uselessness they stayed turned.
2019, it looks like the overall view is the Labour manifesto is fantasy bullshit, which they have zero competence to deliver.
Surely Boris will come up with something popular and plausible on Sunday.
If Boris cuts taxes with borrowing and funds giveaways with brexit bonus he will come out less plausible.
And claims Boris campaigns better than May is laughable so far.
Egg, I think you might be misremembering just quite how useless May was at campaigning.
No. She came across as prime ministerial and would have stood out in this crowd. May was all round more experienced and better politician than Johnson. Despite the hype we haven’t seen anything that much better from Johnson so far. Evidence is he has so far got his own brexit deal and tax cut wrong on the hoof, some huge error has to be a real fear by his handlers.
So @GreenMachine - you put up a Norn Iron header and all you get it cricket, Trump and the equally neurotic English parties.
Personally I would stop MLA's pay immediately and tell any of them that if they are not back at work by a given date that they will be disbarred from public office for life
Weak effort by the English in North Island.
???
I am not English
And that's why Jack Leach and not you is batting at 10 for England against New Zealand in North Island.
Who is Jack Leach? I have never heard of him
He is England's No. 10 batsman and spin bowler. Notable chiefly for a heroic one not out against Australia this summer, effected with a degree of spectacle-cleaning not seen since Eddie Edwards in the 1988 winter Olympics.
Bev, you're not doing very well at steering the conversation away from cricket! You should come along to Old Trafford next summer (ISTR you are in Altrincham?)
The people of Bolton have not been won over by Corbyn
On the basis of this QT, they are poised to elect Chuka and the SNP.
Who is the woman from the Torygraph, she looks terrified?
A pretty pisspoor panel, but she does look a little over stimulated.
There's something anachronistic about Johnson's new Tory Party which hasn't been obvious since the early days of Thatcher. A lot depends on the zeitgeist. For all that the polls are saying this is by no means a popular government
I think this a deeply unpopular government that is one of the results of pitching "people against parliament". It is likely to get a stay of execution because of the appalling state of the Labour party, but not for long. The stench of incompetence and mendacity of the Tories cannot be covered up for long.
Fair enough, but can we consign the marxists to the scrap heap of history first.
I like my local Lib Dem candidate - he would get my vote except the marxists must be kept out.
In 2017, Labour manifesto turned heads. Due to May's utter uselessness they stayed turned.
2019, it looks like the overall view is the Labour manifesto is fantasy bullshit, which they have zero competence to deliver.
Surely Boris will come up with something popular and plausible on Sunday.
If Boris cuts taxes with borrowing and funds giveaways with brexit bonus he will come out less plausible.
And claims Boris campaigns better than May is laughable so far.
Egg, I think you might be misremembering just quite how useless May was at campaigning.
No. She came across as prime ministerial and would have stood out in this crowd. May was all round more experienced and better politician than Johnson. Despite the hype we haven’t seen anything that much better from Johnson so far. Evidence is he has so far got his own brexit deal and tax cut wrong on the hoof, some huge error has to be a real fear by his handlers.
Trouble with May nobody liked her. Everyone knows Boris is a risk, he would readily admit that himself, but that will appeal to more then repel I reckon. He does reach the parts that other Tory leaders could only have dreamt of.
I need you all to forget that I once tipped Richard Burgon as Corbyn's successor at 100/1
Oh please God let TSE win that bet.
Burgon is a mystery. I assume Burgon the Labour Frontbencher is in fact an imposter, as the real Richard Burgon's wikipedia entry assures me that he is a Cambridge graduate.
Is there another Cambridge? In Cloud Cuckoo Land?
Are we sure he wasn't at Anglia Ruskin? I don't wish to besmirch that fine institution, but he is like living proof that A Levels are getting easier.
Your inference clearly besmirches Anglia Ruskin. I've never heard of it but I don't doubt your inference.
My son got a first there - he will not be happy with you :-)
In 2017, Labour manifesto turned heads. Due to May's utter uselessness they stayed turned.
2019, it looks like the overall view is the Labour manifesto is fantasy bullshit, which they have zero competence to deliver.
Surely Boris will come up with something popular and plausible on Sunday.
If Boris cuts taxes with borrowing and funds giveaways with brexit bonus he will come out less plausible.
And claims Boris campaigns better than May is laughable so far.
Egg, I think you might be misremembering just quite how useless May was at campaigning.
No. She came across as prime ministerial and would have stood out in this crowd. May was all round more experienced and better politician than Johnson. Despite the hype we haven’t seen anything that much better from Johnson so far. Evidence is he has so far got his own brexit deal and tax cut wrong on the hoof, some huge error has to be a real fear by his handlers.
Trouble with May nobody liked her. Everyone knows Boris is a risk, he would readily admit that himself, but that will appeal to more then repel I reckon. He does reach the parts that other Tory leaders could only have dreamt of.
So @GreenMachine - you put up a Norn Iron header and all you get it cricket, Trump and the equally neurotic English parties.
Personally I would stop MLA's pay immediately and tell any of them that if they are not back at work by a given date that they will be disbarred from public office for life
Weak effort by the English in North Island.
???
I am not English
And that's why Jack Leach and not you is batting at 10 for England against New Zealand in North Island.
Who is Jack Leach? I have never heard of him
He is England's No. 10 batsman and spin bowler. Notable chiefly for a heroic one not out against Australia this summer, effected with a degree of spectacle-cleaning not seen since Eddie Edwards in the 1988 winter Olympics.
Bev, you're not doing very well at steering the conversation away from cricket! You should come along to Old Trafford next summer (ISTR you are in Altrincham?)
I actually lived next to Old Trafford for 8 years, but then I upgraded to Altricham
In 2017, Labour manifesto turned heads. Due to May's utter uselessness they stayed turned.
2019, it looks like the overall view is the Labour manifesto is fantasy bullshit, which they have zero competence to deliver.
Surely Boris will come up with something popular and plausible on Sunday.
If Boris cuts taxes with borrowing and funds giveaways with brexit bonus he will come out less plausible.
And claims Boris campaigns better than May is laughable so far.
Egg, I think you might be misremembering just quite how useless May was at campaigning.
No. She came across as prime ministerial and would have stood out in this crowd. May was all round more experienced and better politician than Johnson. Despite the hype we haven’t seen anything that much better from Johnson so far. Evidence is he has so far got his own brexit deal and tax cut wrong on the hoof, some huge error has to be a real fear by his handlers.
The people of Bolton have not been won over by Corbyn
On the basis of this QT, they are poised to elect Chuka and the SNP.
Who is the woman from the Torygraph, she looks terrified?
A pretty pisspoor panel, but she does look a little over stimulated.
There's something anachronistic about Johnson's new Tory Party which hasn't been obvious since the early days of Thatcher. A lot depends on the zeitgeist. For all that the polls are saying this is by no means a popular government
I think this a deeply unpopular government that is one of the results of pitching "people against parliament". It is likely to get a stay of execution because of the appalling state of the Labour party, but not for long. The stench of incompetence and mendacity of the Tories cannot be covered up for long.
Fair enough, but can we consign the marxists to the scrap heap of history first.
I like my local Lib Dem candidate - he would get my vote except the marxists must be kept out.
No problem. A LD vote is a safe vote. Swinson has stated that she will not support Corbyn and Davey's financial rectitude is chalk and cheese compared to McDonnell's financial incontinence.
Joint equal - Barry Gardiner, Dawn Butler, Diane Abbott, Laura Pidcock
The only ones vaguely impressive are Long Bailey and Rayner.
vaguely impressive as prats?
Rayner is ok. She communicates quite effectively.
Long Bailey, on the other hand....
This has turned into a Biggest Prat competition. For the record, I'm offering no prizes. I'll forward any suggestions to Enfield Southgate Labour Party.
The people of Bolton have not been won over by Corbyn
On the basis of this QT, they are poised to elect Chuka and the SNP.
Who is the woman from the Torygraph, she looks terrified?
A pretty pisspoor panel, but she does look a little over stimulated.
There's something anachronistic about Johnson's new Tory Party which hasn't been obvious since the early days of Thatcher. A lot depends on the zeitgeist. For all that the polls are saying this is by no means a popular government
I think this a deeply unpopular government that is one of the results of pitching "people against parliament". It is likely to get a stay of execution because of the appalling state of the Labour party, but not for long. The stench of incompetence and mendacity of the Tories cannot be covered up for long.
Fair enough, but can we consign the marxists to the scrap heap of history first.
I like my local Lib Dem candidate - he would get my vote except the marxists must be kept out.
No problem. A LD vote is a safe vote. Swinson has stated that she will not support Corbyn and Davey's financial rectitude is chalk and cheese compared to McDonnell's financial incontinence.
I trust you had your fingers crossed when typing this so I commend your secretarial skills.
In 2017, Labour manifesto turned heads. Due to May's utter uselessness they stayed turned.
2019, it looks like the overall view is the Labour manifesto is fantasy bullshit, which they have zero competence to deliver.
Surely Boris will come up with something popular and plausible on Sunday.
If Boris cuts taxes with borrowing and funds giveaways with brexit bonus he will come out less plausible.
And claims Boris campaigns better than May is laughable so far.
Egg, I think you might be misremembering just quite how useless May was at campaigning.
No. She came across as prime ministerial and would have stood out in this crowd. May was all round more experienced and better politician than Johnson. Despite the hype we haven’t seen anything that much better from Johnson so far. Evidence is he has so far got his own brexit deal and tax cut wrong on the hoof, some huge error has to be a real fear by his handlers.
I disagree with the bit about May being a better politician. She was/is hopelessly tin-eared and awkward, and her record of 'doing politics' is terrible. Utterly charmless, both with the people she needed to charm in Europe and the people she needed to charm at home. And appalling political judgement.
Just an observation about this site, which I used to use and post on quite a bit a few years ago. It used to be somewhere that you could come to and join in the conversation.
I have made a few contributions in the last few days. I don’t expect people to agree with me, but I also don’t expect people to take the piss.
The people of Bolton have not been won over by Corbyn
On the basis of this QT, they are poised to elect Chuka and the SNP.
Who is the woman from the Torygraph, she looks terrified?
A pretty pisspoor panel, but she does look a little over stimulated.
There's something anachronistic about Johnson's new Tory Party which hasn't been obvious since the early days of Thatcher. A lot depends on the zeitgeist. For all that the polls are saying this is by no means a popular government
I think this a deeply unpopular government that is one of the results of pitching "people against parliament". It is likely to get a stay of execution because of the appalling state of the Labour party, but not for long. The stench of incompetence and mendacity of the Tories cannot be covered up for long.
Fair enough, but can we consign the marxists to the scrap heap of history first.
I like my local Lib Dem candidate - he would get my vote except the marxists must be kept out.
No problem. A LD vote is a safe vote. Swinson has stated that she will not support Corbyn and Davey's financial rectitude is chalk and cheese compared to McDonnell's financial incontinence.
I wish I could believe it. But the LDs appear to believe in one thing and one thing only: British integration into the EU. They may choose other policy positions, but the EU is their one true belief, and they would put the devil himself into Downing Street for a sniff of a chance of cancelling Brexit. Do you remember Ed Davey leading a walkout of Lib Dem MPs so that Labour were able to pass theblegislation for the Lisbon Treaty without a referendum, despite what it had said in the LD manifesto? I'd love to believe that they were a party championing pragmatism and sensible investment. But if Corbyn offers them a sniff of a chance at cancelling Brexit I don't trust them not to put him in No. 10. It has become their whole reason for existence. That's the impression I get, anyway.
The big cities of the North vote Labour. As do the big cities of the South.
Beyond that, across England and Wales you can pretty much map Labour to this map of UK coalfields, and it has little to do with North/South, other than the South isn't exactly coal country.
It seems like SF and DUP might lose a seat or two as this suggests, but will much change? What incentive is there for the groups to start working together again?
It's only a matter of WHEN, and not if, SF and DUP won't be the largest parties.
In 2017, Labour manifesto turned heads. Due to May's utter uselessness they stayed turned.
2019, it looks like the overall view is the Labour manifesto is fantasy bullshit, which they have zero competence to deliver.
Surely Boris will come up with something popular and plausible on Sunday.
If Boris cuts taxes with borrowing and funds giveaways with brexit bonus he will come out less plausible.
And claims Boris campaigns better than May is laughable so far.
Egg, I think you might be misremembering just quite how useless May was at campaigning.
No. She came across as prime ministerial and would have stood out in this crowd. May was all round more experienced and better politician than Johnson. Despite the hype we haven’t seen anything that much better from Johnson so far. Evidence is he has so far got his own brexit deal and tax cut wrong on the hoof, some huge error has to be a real fear by his handlers.
Johnson doesn't hide.
Boris has just declined the C4 debate, was late to the debates in the leadership election, hid from the press as Mayor. Doesn't hide quite as much as May, perhaps.
Just an observation about this site, which I used to use and post on quite a bit a few years ago. It used to be somewhere that you could come to and join in the conversation.
I have made a few contributions in the last few days. I don’t expect people to agree with me, but I also don’t expect people to take the piss.
The people of Bolton have not been won over by Corbyn
On the basis of this QT, they are poised to elect Chuka and the SNP.
Who is the woman from the Torygraph, she looks terrified?
A pretty pisspoor panel, but she does look a little over stimulated.
There's something anachronistic about Johnson's new Tory Party which hasn't been obvious since the early days of Thatcher. A lot depends on the zeitgeist. For all that the polls are saying this is by no means a popular government
I think this a deeply unpopular government that is one of the results of pitching "people against parliament". It is likely to get a stay of execution because of the appalling state of the Labour party, but not for long. The stench of incompetence and mendacity of the Tories cannot be covered up for long.
Fair enough, but can we consign the marxists to the scrap heap of history first.
I like my local Lib Dem candidate - he would get my vote except the marxists must be kept out.
No problem. A LD vote is a safe vote. Swinson has stated that she will not support Corbyn and Davey's financial rectitude is chalk and cheese compared to McDonnell's financial incontinence.
I wish I could believe it. But the LDs appear to believe in one thing and one thing only: British integration into the EU. They may choose other policy positions, but the EU is their one true belief, and they would put the devil himself into Downing Street for a sniff of a chance of cancelling Brexit. Do you remember Ed Davey leading a walkout of Lib Dem MPs so that Labour were able to pass theblegislation for the Lisbon Treaty without a referendum, despite what it had said in the LD manifesto? I'd love to believe that they were a party championing pragmatism and sensible investment. But if Corbyn offers them a sniff of a chance at cancelling Brexit I don't trust them not to put him in No. 10. It has become their whole reason for existence. That's the impression I get, anyway.
If there was such a thing as a perv ratio, LibDems would win it no sweat. Euro champions.
It seems like SF and DUP might lose a seat or two as this suggests, but will much change? What incentive is there for the groups to start working together again?
It's only a matter of WHEN, and not if, SF and DUP won't be the largest parties.
I think it's dangerous to comment on Ulster politics if you're not native. So I don't.
Any local knowledge on Loxwood? Remainia or Leavistan?
My brother and father live that way.
Lots of Eastern European immigration but i'm surprised to see it change hands.
I have never heard of Loxwood but wikipedia makes it sound like a small town between Camberwick Green and Chigley.
"Loxwood is a small village and civil parish with several outlying settlements, including those at Alfold Bars, Gunshot Common, Flitchfold, Roundstreet Common, Drungewick Lane and Manor, and Wephurst Park"
Labours manifesto seems to be going down like a bowl of cold sick in Bolton on Question Time?
Mildly encouraging if true. One does rather gather the impression that QT audiences are disproportionately comprised of lefties.
Any decent small c-conservative would be safely at home with a cup of tea, or perhaps cocoa, if not already in bed by this time of night.
I’m not watching but just received a message from someone who couldn’t believe how much people seemed to like the Labour policies on QT.
Who knows?
QT audiences are selected to a large extent by asking the local parties to suggest people. That's why you get lots of people cheering and making derisive noises - it's likely to be the members on each side. It doesn't tell you anything much about whichever location they happen to be in.
Any local knowledge on Loxwood? Remainia or Leavistan?
Not local, but from various models this looks to be somewhat Remainia.
Outgoing Councillor was only elected in May, defected to Greens, then resigned. From the reports of her defection;
“I stood as a Liberal Democrat in support of another candidate, and did not campaign actively on my own behalf. Now that I have been elected, I am committed to representing the ward with integrity and clarity, in keeping with my personal values. I feel my voice for Loxwood will be strongest and most effective from within the Green Party.”
I suspect had the Conservatives been polling nationally in May what they are now this new seat probably would have been won by them in the first place.
Wow - this must be that rocket science everyone talks about.
As a fairly irregular visitor, and usually just to read, this is just the sort of comment that really puts off contributions.
I make an observation, I’m not sure what your input did for you, but it does makes you look a bit of a tosser.
oooo - it was actually deferential. You must be very thin skinned. You'll find it heavy going on here.
Going back to my original point, I was very surprised at how evenly the Lib Dem vote split. 15% each to SNP and Con with 18% to Labour. The Greens got a bit more. I’m not sure exactly what I would have expected, but I am surprised it was that even.
Maybe that is what would be expected in these elections. I haven’t studied them in detail. I suppose that it could be argued it is a majority split amongst the remain parties, but still it did strike me as a surprisingly even split.
As goes your reply, sincere apologies if I misunderstood. I read it as a “no shit, sherlock” type reply. If you meant something different then I do apologise.
Labours manifesto seems to be going down like a bowl of cold sick in Bolton on Question Time?
Mildly encouraging if true. One does rather gather the impression that QT audiences are disproportionately comprised of lefties.
Any decent small c-conservative would be safely at home with a cup of tea, or perhaps cocoa, if not already in bed by this time of night.
I’m not watching but just received a message from someone who couldn’t believe how much people seemed to like the Labour policies on QT.
Who knows?
QT audiences are selected to a large extent by asking the local parties to suggest people. That's why you get lots of people cheering and making derisive noises - it's likely to be the members on each side. It doesn't tell you anything much about whichever location they happen to be in.
Very informative. Perhaps that should be posted up front like a health warning on fags (Brit - informal). Should not the BBC be "correcting" this so that ordinary folk are represented rather than tribal geeks?
Wow - this must be that rocket science everyone talks about.
As a fairly irregular visitor, and usually just to read, this is just the sort of comment that really puts off contributions.
I make an observation, I’m not sure what your input did for you, but it does makes you look a bit of a tosser.
oooo - it was actually deferential. You must be very thin skinned. You'll find it heavy going on here.
Going back to my original point, I was very surprised at how evenly the Lib Dem vote split. 15% each to SNP and Con with 18% to Labour. The Greens got a bit more. I’m not sure exactly what I would have expected, but I am surprised it was that even.
Maybe that is what would be expected in these elections. I haven’t studied them in detail. I suppose that it could be argued it is a majority split amongst the remain parties, but still it did strike me as a surprisingly even split.
As goes your reply, sincere apologies if I misunderstood. I read it as a “no shit, sherlock” type reply. If you meant something different then I do apologise.
No apologies necessary . I have the skin of a warthog and the memory of a goldfish.
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Personally I would stop MLA's pay immediately and tell any of them that if they are not back at work by a given date that they will be disbarred from public office for life
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/october2019#developments-in-public-sector-finance-statistics-september-2019
I am not English
It is very difficult to get into the box of everyone co-operating.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1197640432261509122
Mary Robinson is the former Irish President.
It was the weakest of weak puns and I apologize.
I guessed you weren't English, whar with the faded Mexican flag and all
LAB were 2nd on 35% (-1), LDM 3rd on 11% (+3), PLC 4th on 6% (-3), GRN 5th on 3% (-3) & IND 6th on 2% (+2).
The only ones vaguely impressive are Long Bailey and Rayner.
Bev, you're not doing very well at steering the conversation away from cricket! You should come along to Old Trafford next summer (ISTR you are in Altrincham?)
I like my local Lib Dem candidate - he would get my vote except the marxists must be kept out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanishen_(electoral_ward)
CON: 61.8% (+17.4)
LDEM: 29.9% (-25.7)
GRN: 7.7% (+7.7)
PAT: 0.6% (+0.6)
Conservative GAIN from Liberal Democrat.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1197673606613999617
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Scottish_local_elections
It should be remembered that SLAB did very badly in those.
Long Bailey, on the other hand....
I make an observation, I’m not sure what your input did for you, but it does makes you look a bit of a tosser.
I have made a few contributions in the last few days. I don’t expect people to agree with me, but I also don’t expect people to take the piss.
That's the impression I get, anyway.
Perhaps if that stopped you might have an incentive to sort yourselves out.
Dementia tax anyone?
Lots of Eastern European immigration but i'm surprised to see it change hands.
As an aside, I quite enjoyed your rocket science quip. Those charts were utterly impenetrable. I assume something to do with PR.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/21/whats-in-the-labour-party-manifesto
"Loxwood is a small village and civil parish with several outlying settlements, including those at Alfold Bars, Gunshot Common, Flitchfold, Roundstreet Common, Drungewick Lane and Manor, and Wephurst Park"
A review of the controversial Prevent programme, which aims to reduce radicalisation, would be carried out.
Hmm, - wonder why Labour went for that
Outgoing Councillor was only elected in May, defected to Greens, then resigned. From the reports of her defection;
“I stood as a Liberal Democrat in support of another candidate, and did not campaign actively on my own behalf. Now that I have been elected, I am committed to representing the ward with integrity and clarity, in keeping with my personal values. I feel my voice for Loxwood will be strongest and most effective from within the Green Party.”
I suspect had the Conservatives been polling nationally in May what they are now this new seat probably would have been won by them in the first place.
Fuck that - reward high performers more
the ToriesLabourhttps://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1197672865304391681?s=20
Maybe that is what would be expected in these elections. I haven’t studied them in detail. I suppose that it could be argued it is a majority split amongst the remain parties, but still it did strike me as a surprisingly even split.
As goes your reply, sincere apologies if I misunderstood. I read it as a “no shit, sherlock” type reply. If you meant something different then I do apologise.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/article/labour-manifesto-an-initial-reaction-from-ifs-researchers