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  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    alb1on said:

    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    Very strange:

    The BBC was apparently happy for Nick Conrad to continue to work for them for 5 years as a radio presenter after his controversial comments.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/19/bbc-knickers-on-nick-conrad-rapist-ched-evans

    That's why Sky News are going big on this today.

    All the 'the BBC are monitoring your internet' tinfoil hat nonsense aimed at Kirsty Strickland should have seen him booted out.

    Sky reporting that it came up in the selection meeting, but he still got the nod.

    One of the other candidates was a female Counterterrorism expert, for goodness' sake. Why not pick her over some two bit shock jock with a history of unwise comments on rape cases?
    One of the more broken aspects of our democracy, in a field of stiff competition, is candidate selection.
    Although Conrad's views do seem more aligned to Westminster morality judging by the various sexual scandals in Labour and Conservative parties.
    Given their smaller number of MPs, the Lib Dems and predecessors have had their moments too. One of my earliest memories of a named politician was hearing about the Jeremy Thorpe trial. More seriously there was Cyril Smith of course.
    Lloyd George, Asquith, Gladstone, Palmerston...
    I’m too young to remember them...
    Benin’s diaries include a time when he or one of his colleagues was on Anglesey and was introduced to an old man with the words, ‘I’ve been telling him you knew Lloyd George.’ Without a pause, the old man replied, ‘Lloyd George? Ah, he had a prick like a donkey!’

    Some things are never quite forgotten...
    Do I have to re read both volumes just to find that reference ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    nichomar said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    alb1on said:

    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    Very strange:

    The BBC was apparently happy for Nick Conrad to continue to work for them for 5 years as a radio presenter after his controversial comments.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/19/bbc-knickers-on-nick-conrad-rapist-ched-evans

    That's why Sky News are going big on this today.

    All the 'the BBC are monitoring your internet' tinfoil hat nonsense aimed at Kirsty Strickland should have seen him booted out.

    Sky reporting that it came up in the selection meeting, but he still got the nod.

    One of the other candidates was a female Counterterrorism expert, for goodness' sake. Why not pick her over some two bit shock jock with a history of unwise comments on rape cases?
    One of the more broken aspects of our democracy, in a field of stiff competition, is candidate selection.
    Although Conrad's views do seem more aligned to Westminster morality judging by the various sexual scandals in Labour and Conservative parties.
    Given their smaller number of MPs, the Lib Dems and predecessors have had their moments too. One of my earliest memories of a named politician was hearing about the Jeremy Thorpe trial. More seriously there was Cyril Smith of course.
    Lloyd George, Asquith, Gladstone, Palmerston...
    I’m too young to remember them...
    Benin’s diaries include a time when he or one of his colleagues was on Anglesey and was introduced to an old man with the words, ‘I’ve been telling him you knew Lloyd George.’ Without a pause, the old man replied, ‘Lloyd George? Ah, he had a prick like a donkey!’

    Some things are never quite forgotten...
    Do I have to re read both volumes just to find that reference ?
    Unfortunately I think my copy’s at school so I can’t check for you.

    That may raise a few eyebrows of course given what I’ve just quoted...
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698

    alb1on said:

    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    Very strange:

    The BBC was apparently happy for Nick Conrad to continue to work for them for 5 years as a radio presenter after his controversial comments.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/19/bbc-knickers-on-nick-conrad-rapist-ched-evans

    That's why Sky News are going big on this today.

    All the 'the BBC are monitoring your internet' tinfoil hat nonsense aimed at Kirsty Strickland should have seen him booted out.

    Sky reporting that it came up in the selection meeting, but he still got the nod.

    One of the other candidates was a female Counterterrorism expert, for goodness' sake. Why not pick her over some two bit shock jock with a history of unwise comments on rape cases?
    One of the more broken aspects of our democracy, in a field of stiff competition, is candidate selection.
    Although Conrad's views do seem more aligned to Westminster morality judging by the various sexual scandals in Labour and Conservative parties.
    Given their smaller number of MPs, the Lib Dems and predecessors have had their moments too. One of my earliest memories of a named politician was hearing about the Jeremy Thorpe trial. More seriously there was Cyril Smith of course.
    Oh I agree. Back in the day (late 70s at the LSE) I knew a couple of girls who were leading lights in the Young Liberals and, as far as I can tell, the entire organisation in those days was a forerunner to Tinder and Grindr combined.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited November 2019
    Gabs2 said:

    Alistair said:
    It is the right thing to do, but knowing Cummings, the Tories will hammer them over it.
    Labour will doubtless be portrayed as being in favour of a total open door to the entire world. This is not their stated policy (at the moment, anyway) but the suggestion is likely to be widely believed amongst the electorate in any event.

    Whether there was anybody left amongst said fraction of the electorate who hadn't already made up their minds to desert Labour (if they ever supported them in the first place) is anyone's guess.

    I still maintain that there are an awful lot of Labour-leaning voters who will moan about the party but go back to it anyway out of habit. And I'm still expecting Labour to be averaging 30% come the big slew of polls that'll presumably come out in time for this weekend's Sunday papers.
  • SunnyJimSunnyJim Posts: 1,106
    edited November 2019
    Are there any confirmed personal tax rises Labour are planning other than the rise in income tax?

    I make the changes on the bands and rates to be around £5000pa extra income tax for someone earning £150,000.
  • I’m buying the Conservatives and selling the Lib Dems at current prices. I have,however, moved to Spreadex given that Sporting Index has severely restricted my stakes and are not prepared to move on that.

    You can draw your own conclusions about the ethics of a market-making company with substantial spreads that seeks to deter punters with good track records but who will take large stakes from others.

    Ditto Victor Chandler, who banned me for winning too much; and Paddy Power, who restricted my max stake to peanuts.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    AndyJS said:

    Let's remind ourselves of Labour's 1983 manifesto:

    http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml

    Hmmm...

    On taking office we will open preliminary negotiations with the other EEC member states to establish a timetable for withdrawal; and we will publish the results of these negotiations in a White Paper. In addition, as soon as possible after the House assembles, we will introduce a Repeal Bill: first, in order to amend the 1972 European Communities Act, ending the powers of the Community in the UK; and second, to provide the necessary powers to repeal the 1972 Act, when the negotiations on withdrawal are completed.

    Following the publication of the White Paper, we will begin the main negotiations on withdrawal. Later, when appropriate and in the same parliament, we will use our powers to repeal the 1972 Act and abrogate the Treaty of Accession - thus breaking all of our formal links with the Community. Britain will at this point withdraw from the Council of Ministers and from the European Parliament.

    There will need to be a period of transition, to ensure a minimum of disruption - and to phase in any new agreements we might make with the Community. This will enable us to make all the necessary changes in our domestic legislation. Until these changes in UK law have taken place, the status quo as regards particular items of EEC legislation will remain. And this period will, of course, extend beyond the date when we cease, formally, to be members.
    Thank goodness there are no parties offering anything that batshit crazy this time eh!
    It’s all bat shit crazy, no informed analytical debate, parties going to the extremes. For what? a referendum designed to reduce the ukip threat and nothing else?
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    edited November 2019
    nichomar said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:


    I realise you see Boris as some kind of Macron figure (which he isn't) who can unify the country (which he can't) and lead us to a prosperous future (which he won't) and I fear Johnson will win but if he doesn't and we are faced with a NOM Parliament again, the questions I asked earlier in the week would be valid.

    Now then. I did not say I see Boris as a Macron figure

    I said that for Boris to gain a workable majority, he has to become a Macron type figure and capture the nation

    They are not the same
    Boris will say whatever he thinks the audience in front of him wants to hear - that doesn't make him a unifier but a populist.

    Sometimes you have to be pleasant to your opponents and tell your supporters things they don't want to hear. I've not heard a scintilla of compromise toward those of us not on the Conservative side and the continuing contempt for those who voted REMAIN is palpable.

    He's not a trustworthy figure or a figure who inspires faith. He'll probably win the election because he'll be able to fool enough people for long enough to get their vote but I think he will be an appalling Prime Minister.

    Yes I accept Corbyn would be worse on every level.

    Sad we are in such a position, is there an alternative that isn’t a lunatic socialist or a amoral pathological liar?
    It's where our electoral system leads us. Only the Tories or Labour can ever win so the most logical route to power is to take over one of them.

    Both memberships are small and open to takeovers by unrepresentative groups of a couple of hundred thousand, that's all it takes to turn the Tory party into UKIP and the Labour Party into the SWP.

    That's what has happened and they know that the punters have no choice but to put one of them into power. It's always been depressing but never mores than this GE.
  • I’m buying the Conservatives and selling the Lib Dems at current prices. I have,however, moved to Spreadex given that Sporting Index has severely restricted my stakes and are not prepared to move on that.

    You can draw your own conclusions about the ethics of a market-making company with substantial spreads that seeks to deter punters with good track records but who will take large stakes from others.

    Ditto Victor Chandler, who banned me for winning too much; and Paddy Power, who restricted my max stake to peanuts.
    They all do it, Stuart. Any Party which promises to outlaw this iniquitous practice gets my vote immediately.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    ydoethur said:

    nichomar said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    alb1on said:

    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    Very strange:

    The BBC was apparently happy for Nick Conrad to continue to work for them for 5 years as a radio presenter after his controversial comments.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/19/bbc-knickers-on-nick-conrad-rapist-ched-evans

    That's why Sky News are going big on this today.

    All the 'the BBC are monitoring your internet' tinfoil hat nonsense aimed at Kirsty Strickland should have seen him booted out.

    Sky reporting that it came up in the selection meeting, but he still got the nod.

    One of the other candidates was a female Counterterrorism expert, for goodness' sake. Why not pick her over some two bit shock jock with a history of unwise comments on rape cases?
    One of the more broken aspects of our democracy, in a field of stiff competition, is candidate selection.
    Although Conrad's views do seem more aligned to Westminster morality judging by the various sexual scandals in Labour and Conservative parties.
    Given their smaller number of MPs, the Lib Dems and predecessors have had their moments too. One of my earliest memories of a named politician was hearing about the Jeremy Thorpe trial. More seriously there was Cyril Smith of course.
    Lloyd George, Asquith, Gladstone, Palmerston...
    I’m too young to remember them...
    Benin’s diaries include a time when he or one of his colleagues was on Anglesey and was introduced to an old man with the words, ‘I’ve been telling him you knew Lloyd George.’ Without a pause, the old man replied, ‘Lloyd George? Ah, he had a prick like a donkey!’

    Some things are never quite forgotten...
    Do I have to re read both volumes just to find that reference ?
    Unfortunately I think my copy’s at school so I can’t check for you.

    That may raise a few eyebrows of course given what I’ve just quoted...
    ..
  • dellertronicdellertronic Posts: 133
    edited November 2019
    The anti-England alliance will simply increase the support in England for ending the United Kingdom. When Swinson cancels brexit the result will be brexiteers flooding into Scotland to campaign for independence and an end to her Westminster career.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,614
    Gabs2 said:

    Alistair said:
    It is the right thing to do, but knowing Cummings, the Tories will hammer them over it.
    Ya think?

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Drutt said:

    Guido reckons Jess Phillips is going.

    The words "Guido reckons" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

    Going where?
  • SunnyJimSunnyJim Posts: 1,106
    nichomar said:

    STV multi member constituencies with open lists is the only way forward. If you don’t understand how that works you should be able to vote

    Everybody gets the vote then.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Drutt said:

    Guido reckons Jess Phillips is going.

    The words "Guido reckons" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

    Going where?
    She said in an interview earlier this year that she might quit if Tom Watson did.
  • PierrotPierrot Posts: 112
    The Express have helpfully published a list of constituencies where the Unite To Remain alliance is operating, so that if you're soft Labour you can peel yourself away and not have a bad conscience about helping keep Boris Johnson in office you can find out whether "YOUR constituency" is affected. How public-spirited of this fanatically right wing Hard Leaver newspaper.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,718
    edited November 2019

    The anti-England alliance will simply increase the support in England for ending the United Kingdom. When Swinson cancels brexit the result will be brexiteers flooding into Scotland to campaign for independence and an end to her Westminster career.

    The long-term stable state is England, Scotland, Wales and a united Ireland in the EU as full member states. Until we reach that point, things will remain in flux.
  • nichomar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Let's remind ourselves of Labour's 1983 manifesto:

    http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml

    Hmmm...

    On taking office we will open preliminary negotiations with the other EEC member states to establish a timetable for withdrawal; and we will publish the results of these negotiations in a White Paper. In addition, as soon as possible after the House assembles, we will introduce a Repeal Bill: first, in order to amend the 1972 European Communities Act, ending the powers of the Community in the UK; and second, to provide the necessary powers to repeal the 1972 Act, when the negotiations on withdrawal are completed.

    Following the publication of the White Paper, we will begin the main negotiations on withdrawal. Later, when appropriate and in the same parliament, we will use our powers to repeal the 1972 Act and abrogate the Treaty of Accession - thus breaking all of our formal links with the Community. Britain will at this point withdraw from the Council of Ministers and from the European Parliament.

    There will need to be a period of transition, to ensure a minimum of disruption - and to phase in any new agreements we might make with the Community. This will enable us to make all the necessary changes in our domestic legislation. Until these changes in UK law have taken place, the status quo as regards particular items of EEC legislation will remain. And this period will, of course, extend beyond the date when we cease, formally, to be members.
    Thank goodness there are no parties offering anything that batshit crazy this time eh!
    It’s all bat shit crazy, no informed analytical debate, parties going to the extremes. For what? a referendum designed to reduce the ukip threat and nothing else?
    The country is going completely to shit. I am voting Labour because I hope they will soften or stop Brexit, and because I support a lot of their other policies, but I don't trust the judgement of the leadership at all. If the Tories weren't even worse I might think twice about voting Labour, but in the current circumstances they're the lesser of two evils for me.
  • SunnyJim said:

    Are there any confirmed personal tax rises Labour are planning other than the rise in income tax?

    I make the changes on the bands and rates to be around £5000pa extra income tax for someone earning £150,000.

    So called wealth tax is the secret biggie as a straight theft of 20% of someone's "wealth ". What the Marxists around Corbyn define as wealth isn't clear.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    SunnyJim said:

    nichomar said:

    STV multi member constituencies with open lists is the only way forward. If you don’t understand how that works you should be able to vote

    Everybody gets the vote then.
    Well hopefully because no body could be stupid enough to be unable to vote 1 2 3
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    nichomar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Let's remind ourselves of Labour's 1983 manifesto:

    http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml

    Hmmm...

    On taking office we will open preliminary negotiations with the other EEC member states to establish a timetable for withdrawal; and we will publish the results of these negotiations in a White Paper. In addition, as soon as possible after the House assembles, we will introduce a Repeal Bill: first, in order to amend the 1972 European Communities Act, ending the powers of the Community in the UK; and second, to provide the necessary powers to repeal the 1972 Act, when the negotiations on withdrawal are completed.

    Following the publication of the White Paper, we will begin the main negotiations on withdrawal. Later, when appropriate and in the same parliament, we will use our powers to repeal the 1972 Act and abrogate the Treaty of Accession - thus breaking all of our formal links with the Community. Britain will at this point withdraw from the Council of Ministers and from the European Parliament.

    There will need to be a period of transition, to ensure a minimum of disruption - and to phase in any new agreements we might make with the Community. This will enable us to make all the necessary changes in our domestic legislation. Until these changes in UK law have taken place, the status quo as regards particular items of EEC legislation will remain. And this period will, of course, extend beyond the date when we cease, formally, to be members.
    Thank goodness there are no parties offering anything that batshit crazy this time eh!
    It’s all bat shit crazy, no informed analytical debate, parties going to the extremes. For what? a referendum designed to reduce the ukip threat and nothing else?
    The country is going completely to shit. I am voting Labour because I hope they will soften or stop Brexit, and because I support a lot of their other policies, but I don't trust the judgement of the leadership at all. If the Tories weren't even worse I might think twice about voting Labour, but in the current circumstances they're the lesser of two evils for me.
    Yeah. I’m voting Labour but only tactically.
  • ydoethur said:

    alb1on said:

    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    Very strange:

    The BBC was apparently happy for Nick Conrad to continue to work for them for 5 years as a radio presenter after his controversial comments.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/19/bbc-knickers-on-nick-conrad-rapist-ched-evans

    That's why Sky News are going big on this today.

    All the 'the BBC are monitoring your internet' tinfoil hat nonsense aimed at Kirsty Strickland should have seen him booted out.

    Sky reporting that it came up in the selection meeting, but he still got the nod.

    One of the other candidates was a female Counterterrorism expert, for goodness' sake. Why not pick her over some two bit shock jock with a history of unwise comments on rape cases?
    One of the more broken aspects of our democracy, in a field of stiff competition, is candidate selection.
    Although Conrad's views do seem more aligned to Westminster morality judging by the various sexual scandals in Labour and Conservative parties.
    Given their smaller number of MPs, the Lib Dems and predecessors have had their moments too. One of my earliest memories of a named politician was hearing about the Jeremy Thorpe trial. More seriously there was Cyril Smith of course.
    Lloyd George, Asquith, Gladstone, Palmerston...
    I’m too young to remember them...
    My father knew Lloyd George.
  • I’m buying the Conservatives and selling the Lib Dems at current prices. I have,however, moved to Spreadex given that Sporting Index has severely restricted my stakes and are not prepared to move on that.

    You can draw your own conclusions about the ethics of a market-making company with substantial spreads that seeks to deter punters with good track records but who will take large stakes from others.

    Ditto Victor Chandler, who banned me for winning too much; and Paddy Power, who restricted my max stake to peanuts.
    They all do it, Stuart. Any Party which promises to outlaw this iniquitous practice gets my vote immediately.
    What about a party that promised to negotiate a different kind of maximum stake, and then to have a referendum on that proposal where their stance would be determined by a special party conference after the election? That policy doing anything for you?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    Drutt said:

    Guido reckons Jess Phillips is going.

    The words "Guido reckons" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

    Going where?
    She's going to do some more self publicity....

    She's going nowhere
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    ydoethur said:

    alb1on said:

    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    Very strange:

    The BBC was apparently happy for Nick Conrad to continue to work for them for 5 years as a radio presenter after his controversial comments.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/19/bbc-knickers-on-nick-conrad-rapist-ched-evans

    That's why Sky News are going big on this today.

    All the 'the BBC are monitoring your internet' tinfoil hat nonsense aimed at Kirsty Strickland should have seen him booted out.

    Sky reporting that it came up in the selection meeting, but he still got the nod.

    One of the other candidates was a female Counterterrorism expert, for goodness' sake. Why not pick her over some two bit shock jock with a history of unwise comments on rape cases?
    One of the more broken aspects of our democracy, in a field of stiff competition, is candidate selection.
    Although Conrad's views do seem more aligned to Westminster morality judging by the various sexual scandals in Labour and Conservative parties.
    Given their smaller number of MPs, the Lib Dems and predecessors have had their moments too. One of my earliest memories of a named politician was hearing about the Jeremy Thorpe trial. More seriously there was Cyril Smith of course.
    Lloyd George, Asquith, Gladstone, Palmerston...
    I’m too young to remember them...
    My father knew Lloyd George.
    but did your mother?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    nichomar said:

    alb1on said:

    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    Very strange:

    The BBC was apparently happy for Nick Conrad to continue to work for them for 5 years as a radio presenter after his controversial comments.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/19/bbc-knickers-on-nick-conrad-rapist-ched-evans

    That's why Sky News are going big on this today.

    All the 'the BBC are monitoring your internet' tinfoil hat nonsense aimed at Kirsty Strickland should have seen him booted out.

    Sky reporting that it came up in the selection meeting, but he still got the nod.

    One of the other candidates was a female Counterterrorism expert, for goodness' sake. Why not pick her over some two bit shock jock with a history of unwise comments on rape cases?
    One of the more broken aspects of our democracy, in a field of stiff competition, is candidate selection.
    Although Conrad's views do seem more aligned to Westminster morality judging by the various sexual scandals in Labour and Conservative parties.
    Given their smaller number of MPs, the Lib Dems and predecessors have had their moments too. One of my earliest memories of a named politician was hearing about the Jeremy Thorpe trial. More seriously there was Cyril Smith of course.
    I always felt sorry for the dog and the pillow which seemed to suffer more than anybody else.
    Thorpe would have been ok but for the shooting of the dog. There are some things the British Public will not put up with.
    I met Norman Scott last year (in the rather limited sense that he held a gate open for me, and I said "thank you" to him).
  • Banterman said:

    SunnyJim said:

    Are there any confirmed personal tax rises Labour are planning other than the rise in income tax?

    I make the changes on the bands and rates to be around £5000pa extra income tax for someone earning £150,000.

    So called wealth tax is the secret biggie as a straight theft of 20% of someone's "wealth ". What the Marxists around Corbyn define as wealth isn't clear.
    "Only Tories lust after power, therefore Corbyn is a Tory for wanting to become PM!" :lol:

  • Lots of Conservative selections tonight

    NE Bedfordshire (32.4% majority) goes to former Bedford MP Richard Fuller

    Eastleigh (24.7% maj): Paul Holmes. Head of Public Affairs for Clarion Housing. Former SpAd to Green

    Truro and Falmouth (6.7% maj over Lab, 29.5% over LD): Cherilyn Mackeory. Cornwall Councillor for St Mewan

    Aberconwy (2% maj over Lab): Robin Millar. Suffolk Cllr.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    That doesn't change what she said previously...
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    AndyJS said:

    Let's remind ourselves of Labour's 1983 manifesto:

    "Our approach is different. We will expand the economy, by providing a strong and measured increase in spending. Spending money creates jobs. Money spent on railway electrification means jobs, not only in construction, but also in the industries that supply the equipment - as well as faster and better trains. If we increase pensions and child benefits, it means more spending power for the elderly and for parents, more bought in shops, more orders for goods, and more jobs in the factories. More spending means that the economy will begin to expand: and growth will provide the new wealth for higher wages and better living standards, the right climate for industry to invest, and more resources for the public services.

    ..........

    But the scale of borrowing will not be nearly as great as the increase in spending. Spending generates new income and new savings. As the economy recovers we shall be able to spend less on keeping people unemployed. And when people get jobs they will also pay income tax and spend more on goods which are taxed. Last year benefit payments, and tax revenues foregone - because of unemployment - cost the nation some £17,000 million. There are also important savings to be made by cancelling the present government 5 massive expenditure programmes on Trident and on PWR nuclear reactors."

    http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml

    It seemed crazy to me at the time. I quite like it now.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    tyson said:

    Drutt said:

    Guido reckons Jess Phillips is going.

    The words "Guido reckons" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

    Going where?
    She's going to do some more self publicity....

    She's going nowhere
    She’s one of the best politicians in the Labour Party. She actually is a normal person who understands normal people. Very unlike Corbyn.
  • Edward Timpson, former MP for Crewe and Nantwich, wins Eddisbury selection, majority 23.2%
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    nichomar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Let's remind ourselves of Labour's 1983 manifesto:

    http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml

    Hmmm...

    On taking office we will open preliminary negotiations with the other EEC member states to establish a timetable for withdrawal; and we will publish the results of these negotiations in a White Paper. In addition, as soon as possible after the House assembles, we will introduce a Repeal Bill: first, in order to amend the 1972 European Communities Act, ending the powers of the Community in the UK; and second, to provide the necessary powers to repeal the 1972 Act, when the negotiations on withdrawal are completed.

    Following the publication of the White Paper, we will begin the main negotiations on withdrawal. Later, when appropriate and in the same parliament, we will use our powers to repeal the 1972 Act and abrogate the Treaty of Accession - thus breaking all of our formal links with the Community. Britain will at this point withdraw from the Council of Ministers and from the European Parliament.

    There will need to be a period of transition, to ensure a minimum of disruption - and to phase in any new agreements we might make with the Community. This will enable us to make all the necessary changes in our domestic legislation. Until these changes in UK law have taken place, the status quo as regards particular items of EEC legislation will remain. And this period will, of course, extend beyond the date when we cease, formally, to be members.
    Thank goodness there are no parties offering anything that batshit crazy this time eh!
    It’s all bat shit crazy, no informed analytical debate, parties going to the extremes. For what? a referendum designed to reduce the ukip threat and nothing else?
    The country is going completely to shit. I am voting Labour because I hope they will soften or stop Brexit, and because I support a lot of their other policies, but I don't trust the judgement of the leadership at all. If the Tories weren't even worse I might think twice about voting Labour, but in the current circumstances they're the lesser of two evils for me.
    I can’t, I’ve watched, listened and tried to understand this version of labour but I can’t get past the nationalization policies, it isn’t the solution I’ve seen what nationalized industries become. I also believe the future is about developing employers that develop work environments that don’t need trade unions.
  • PierrotPierrot Posts: 112

    I’m buying the Conservatives and selling the Lib Dems at current prices. I have,however, moved to Spreadex given that Sporting Index has severely restricted my stakes and are not prepared to move on that.

    You can draw your own conclusions about the ethics of a market-making company with substantial spreads that seeks to deter punters with good track records but who will take large stakes from others.

    Ditto Victor Chandler, who banned me for winning too much; and Paddy Power, who restricted my max stake to peanuts.
    They all do it, Stuart. Any Party which promises to outlaw this iniquitous practice gets my vote immediately.
    None will, but it was Labour that abolished betting tax.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Richard Tice standing for Hartlepool!

    A sobbing Isabel Oakeshott believed to be house hunting
  • Guildford (30.7% maj): Angela Richardson, deputy chairman of Guildford Conservatives
  • SunnyJimSunnyJim Posts: 1,106
    Banterman said:


    So called wealth tax is the secret biggie as a straight theft of 20% of someone's "wealth ". What the Marxists around Corbyn define as wealth isn't clear.

    Wealth tax?

    I've missed that one.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    I’m buying the Conservatives and selling the Lib Dems at current prices. I have,however, moved to Spreadex given that Sporting Index has severely restricted my stakes and are not prepared to move on that.

    You can draw your own conclusions about the ethics of a market-making company with substantial spreads that seeks to deter punters with good track records but who will take large stakes from others.

    Ditto Victor Chandler, who banned me for winning too much; and Paddy Power, who restricted my max stake to peanuts.
    Betfair Sportsbook restricted me to peanuts after their stupid Constituency odds in 2017 but they seems to have left me back in this time around.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,129
    edited November 2019

    Edward Timpson, former MP for Crewe and Nantwich, wins Eddisbury selection, majority 23.2%

    Does that mean the tories dont think they can win back Crewe? Because he would be their best bet of winning it back. And if they cant win crewe back, can tories get a majority.
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    Gabs2 said:

    Alistair said:
    It is the right thing to do, but knowing Cummings, the Tories will hammer them over it.
    They better.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591

    nichomar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Let's remind ourselves of Labour's 1983 manifesto:

    http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml

    Hmmm...

    On taking office we will open preliminary negotiations with the other EEC member states to establish a timetable for withdrawal; and we will publish the results of these negotiations in a White Paper. In addition, as soon as possible after the House assembles, we will introduce a Repeal Bill: first, in order to amend the 1972 European Communities Act, ending the powers of the Community in the UK; and second, to provide the necessary powers to repeal the 1972 Act, when the negotiations on withdrawal are completed.

    Following the publication of the White Paper, we will begin the main negotiations on withdrawal. Later, when appropriate and in the same parliament, we will use our powers to repeal the 1972 Act and abrogate the Treaty of Accession - thus breaking all of our formal links with the Community. Britain will at this point withdraw from the Council of Ministers and from the European Parliament.

    There will need to be a period of transition, to ensure a minimum of disruption - and to phase in any new agreements we might make with the Community. This will enable us to make all the necessary changes in our domestic legislation. Until these changes in UK law have taken place, the status quo as regards particular items of EEC legislation will remain. And this period will, of course, extend beyond the date when we cease, formally, to be members.
    Thank goodness there are no parties offering anything that batshit crazy this time eh!
    It’s all bat shit crazy, no informed analytical debate, parties going to the extremes. For what? a referendum designed to reduce the ukip threat and nothing else?
    The country is going completely to shit. I am voting Labour because I hope they will soften or stop Brexit, and because I support a lot of their other policies, but I don't trust the judgement of the leadership at all. If the Tories weren't even worse I might think twice about voting Labour, but in the current circumstances they're the lesser of two evils for me.
    And they aren't going to get a majority anyway so even though Corbyn might, possibly, be PM he will be a prisoner of the LDs and smaller parties. I guess they would insist on ref 2 and VONC Labour immediately after it had been held.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    tyson said:

    Drutt said:

    Guido reckons Jess Phillips is going.

    The words "Guido reckons" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

    Going where?
    She's going to do some more self publicity....

    She's going nowhere
    She’s one of the best politicians in the Labour Party. She actually is a normal person who understands normal people. Very unlike Corbyn.
    Sadly, normal people do not shine in politics...

    People who are drawn to be MP's verge on narcissism, and those who elevate themselves once MP's...you can double down the narcissist score.....
  • Edward Timpson, former MP for Crewe and Nantwich, wins Eddisbury selection, majority 23.2%

    Does that mean the tories dont think they can win back Crewe? Because he would be their best bet of winning it back. And if they cant win crewe back, can tories get a majority.
    They may have had a candidate already
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,722
    Roger said:

    Richard Tice standing for Hartlepool!

    A sobbing Isabel Oakeshott believed to be house hunting

    Nah, he won't go near the place in the unlikely event of winning.
  • Roger said:

    Richard Tice standing for Hartlepool!

    A sobbing Isabel Oakeshott believed to be house hunting

    Why are you so nasty. You cannot help yourself

    And I am no supporter of Tice
  • Edward Timpson, former MP for Crewe and Nantwich, wins Eddisbury selection, majority 23.2%

    Does that mean the tories dont think they can win back Crewe? Because he would be their best bet of winning it back. And if they cant win crewe back, can tories get a majority.
    He probably wants a safe seat and to concentrate on a ministerial career.
  • Edward Timpson, former MP for Crewe and Nantwich, wins Eddisbury selection, majority 23.2%

    Does that mean the tories dont think they can win back Crewe? Because he would be their best bet of winning it back. And if they cant win crewe back, can tories get a majority.
    They may have had a candidate already
    Perhaps. Because for the tories he is a very good candidate, who only lost his seat last time because of mays disastrous campaign.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    Roger said:

    Richard Tice standing for Hartlepool!

    A sobbing Isabel Oakeshott believed to be house hunting

    Why are you so nasty. You cannot help yourself

    And I am no supporter of Tice
    Are you taking the piss Big_G? If you are not, what a sad reply...

  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291

    Guildford (30.7% maj): Angela Richardson, deputy chairman of Guildford Conservatives

    Many thanks and where are you getting this information (is Sir Hunky Dunky your secret source?)?

    Without having done much research, the various new candidates all seem to be pretty mainstream, and worlds away from the Bridgen-Francois tendency.
  • Edward Timpson, former MP for Crewe and Nantwich, wins Eddisbury selection, majority 23.2%

    Does that mean the tories dont think they can win back Crewe? Because he would be their best bet of winning it back. And if they cant win crewe back, can tories get a majority.
    They may have had a candidate already
    They did. And I'd expect a strong Con gain, maj. 5000 or thereabouts.
  • Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Richard Tice standing for Hartlepool!

    A sobbing Isabel Oakeshott believed to be house hunting

    Nah, he won't go near the place in the unlikely event of winning.
    Finest guacamole in the North.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,129
    edited November 2019

    Edward Timpson, former MP for Crewe and Nantwich, wins Eddisbury selection, majority 23.2%

    Does that mean the tories dont think they can win back Crewe? Because he would be their best bet of winning it back. And if they cant win crewe back, can tories get a majority.
    They may have had a candidate already
    They did. And I'd expect a strong Con gain, maj. 5000 or thereabouts.
    If the tories cant win back crewe and nantwich they aint getting a majority.
  • tyson said:

    Roger said:

    Richard Tice standing for Hartlepool!

    A sobbing Isabel Oakeshott believed to be house hunting

    Why are you so nasty. You cannot help yourself

    And I am no supporter of Tice
    Are you taking the piss Big_G? If you are not, what a sad reply...

    Sad then
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited November 2019
    David Simmonds wins Ruislip Northwood and Pinner selection. He is the Deputy Leader of Hillingdon Council

    Suzanne Webb gets Stourbridge. She is a Cllr in Birmingham
  • ydoethur said:

    alb1on said:

    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    Very strange:

    The BBC was apparently happy for Nick Conrad to continue to work for them for 5 years as a radio presenter after his controversial comments.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/19/bbc-knickers-on-nick-conrad-rapist-ched-evans

    That's why Sky News are going big on this today.

    All the 'the BBC are monitoring your internet' tinfoil hat nonsense aimed at Kirsty Strickland should have seen him booted out.

    Sky reporting that it came up in the selection meeting, but he still got the nod.

    One of the other candidates was a female Counterterrorism expert, for goodness' sake. Why not pick her over some two bit shock jock with a history of unwise comments on rape cases?
    One of the more broken aspects of our democracy, in a field of stiff competition, is candidate selection.
    Although Conrad's views do seem more aligned to Westminster morality judging by the various sexual scandals in Labour and Conservative parties.
    Given their smaller number of MPs, the Lib Dems and predecessors have had their moments too. One of my earliest memories of a named politician was hearing about the Jeremy Thorpe trial. More seriously there was Cyril Smith of course.
    Lloyd George, Asquith, Gladstone, Palmerston...
    I’m too young to remember them...
    My father knew Lloyd George.
    But did Lloyd George know your father?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,722
    Rees Mogg says it is just common sense to leave.

    https://twitter.com/BBCLookNorth/status/1192518100215910400?s=19
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124

    I’m buying the Conservatives and selling the Lib Dems at current prices. I have,however, moved to Spreadex given that Sporting Index has severely restricted my stakes and are not prepared to move on that.

    You can draw your own conclusions about the ethics of a market-making company with substantial spreads that seeks to deter punters with good track records but who will take large stakes from others.

    Ditto Victor Chandler, who banned me for winning too much; and Paddy Power, who restricted my max stake to peanuts.
    Cashpoint > bookies > bet. Old-school.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Edward Timpson, former MP for Crewe and Nantwich, wins Eddisbury selection, majority 23.2%

    Does that mean the tories dont think they can win back Crewe? Because he would be their best bet of winning it back. And if they cant win crewe back, can tories get a majority.
    I wondered about this so I asked Google. The Tories in Crewe already chose a new candidate about a year ago (whether Timpson declined to stand again for the constituency or was defeated by this person is not indicated in the source that I read.) Anyway, Timpson has obviously decided that Antoinette Sandbach's defection is his opportunity to attempt a comeback.
  • Foxy said:

    Rees Mogg says it is just common sense to leave.

    //twitter.com/BBCLookNorth/status/1192518100215910400?s=19

    Thats going to totally ruin TSE fancy dan shoes.
  • PierrotPierrot Posts: 112
    nunu2 said:

    Gabs2 said:

    Alistair said:
    It is the right thing to do, but knowing Cummings, the Tories will hammer them over it.
    They better.
    They will. They haven't got much else.

    It's supposed to be Isaac Levido running the campaign now, not Dominic Cummings.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124

    Drutt said:

    Guido reckons Jess Phillips is going.

    The words "Guido reckons" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

    Going where?
    Resignation watch, but it's absolute bollocks.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,614
    JohnO said:

    Guildford (30.7% maj): Angela Richardson, deputy chairman of Guildford Conservatives

    Many thanks and where are you getting this information (is Sir Hunky Dunky your secret source?)?

    Without having done much research, the various new candidates all seem to be pretty mainstream, and worlds away from the Bridgen-Francois tendency.
    Well quite.

    But then, which constituency association wants another Bridgen?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited November 2019

    Roger said:

    Richard Tice standing for Hartlepool!

    A sobbing Isabel Oakeshott believed to be house hunting

    Why are you so nasty. You cannot help yourself

    And I am no supporter of Tice
    Roger loathes the Tories from afar in his abode in France.. He varies between Labour and the LD's depending upon how shite Labour are.. He will no doubt vote LD this time....
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698

    Guildford (30.7% maj): Angela Richardson, deputy chairman of Guildford Conservatives

    I knew the Guildford Conservatives were casting a wide net to try to find someone not tainted by all their local scandals - but a New Zealander seems to be taking it a bit far.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    Ditto Victor Chandler, who banned me for winning too much; and Paddy Power, who restricted my max stake to peanuts.

    All European books do that unfortunately. Only a matter of time if they think you're beating them.
  • Guido actually wrote that Phillips had said in the past that if Watson went she would go. That is a little different to she is going now.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405

    tyson said:

    Roger said:

    Richard Tice standing for Hartlepool!

    A sobbing Isabel Oakeshott believed to be house hunting

    Why are you so nasty. You cannot help yourself

    And I am no supporter of Tice
    Are you taking the piss Big_G? If you are not, what a sad reply...

    Sad then
    I guess Roger has never been to Hartlepool. There are a few places that are lovely (The Headland for 1) but it does take ages to escape Hartlepool from there.

  • Foxy said:

    Rees Mogg says it is just common sense to leave.

    https://twitter.com/BBCLookNorth/status/1192518100215910400?s=19

    This is a JG Ballad novel right?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,129
    edited November 2019
    I see the main parties dont care about QT these days as despite it being GE time, the panelists are the D team level (and thats being kind).
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Paging Big_G_NorthWales,

    Any information on Cllr Robin Millar of Suffolk, who it seems will fight Aberconwy for the Tories.

    Is there any particular reason why Aberconwy is being represented by someone who apparently calls himself robin4suffolk ?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Conrad steps down
  • Nick Conrad's gone, then.

    Who had 24 hours in the sweepstake?
  • Foxy said:

    Rees Mogg says it is just common sense to leave.

    https://twitter.com/BBCLookNorth/status/1192518100215910400?s=19

    This is a JG Ballad novel right?
    As long as it’s not Crash...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,129
    edited November 2019
    Tories dont mess about pushing candidates overboard...while labour still cant decide if vaz is dodgy enough or not.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    Roger said:

    Richard Tice standing for Hartlepool!

    A sobbing Isabel Oakeshott believed to be house hunting

    Why are you so nasty. You cannot help yourself

    And I am no supporter of Tice
    Say cheese!
  • Paging Big_G_NorthWales,

    Any information on Cllr Robin Millar of Suffolk, who it seems will fight Aberconwy for the Tories.

    Is there any particular reason why Aberconwy is being represented by someone who apparently calls himself robin4suffolk ?

    Maybe he's Suffolk and good?
  • Paging Big_G_NorthWales,

    Any information on Cllr Robin Millar of Suffolk, who it seems will fight Aberconwy for the Tories.

    Is there any particular reason why Aberconwy is being represented by someone who apparently calls himself robin4suffolk ?

    He is from Bangor and has a home in Bethesda as well as in the south

    He was born in the constituency and stood for Arfon in 2010

    I assume he will return to his constituency if elected
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited November 2019
    Drutt said:

    I’m buying the Conservatives and selling the Lib Dems at current prices. I have,however, moved to Spreadex given that Sporting Index has severely restricted my stakes and are not prepared to move on that.

    You can draw your own conclusions about the ethics of a market-making company with substantial spreads that seeks to deter punters with good track records but who will take large stakes from others.

    Ditto Victor Chandler, who banned me for winning too much; and Paddy Power, who restricted my max stake to peanuts.
    Cashpoint > bookies > bet. Old-school.
    Prices in the shops don't necessarily match their online prices.

    I dabbled a little in Sharbing as there was a bookies on the ground floor of my tenament.
  • Nick Conrad gone
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,605

    I see the main parties dont care about QT these days as despite it being GE time, the panelists are the D team level (and thats being kind).

    QT is tainted.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Paging Big_G_NorthWales,

    Any information on Cllr Robin Millar of Suffolk, who it seems will fight Aberconwy for the Tories.

    Is there any particular reason why Aberconwy is being represented by someone who apparently calls himself robin4suffolk ?

    I am sure he has applied for thievin4clwyd.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Alistair said:



    I dabbled a little in Sharbing as there was a bookies on the ground floor of my tenament.

    Nowadays they have automated image recognition on shop punters, or handwriting recognition on the slips, so as to ban any potential winners asap.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Conrad steps down

    He finally learnt to take no for an answer, then.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,213
    Off topic - I said this afternoon you'[d need an ark in Sheffield - well

    https://twitter.com/RB_DONC/status/1192547294610108417
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,213
    CCHQ aren't messing around this election.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    Pulpstar said:

    Off topic - I said this afternoon you'[d need an ark in Sheffield - well

    https://twitter.com/RB_DONC/status/1192547294610108417

    Project weir.
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    Paging Big_G_NorthWales,

    Any information on Cllr Robin Millar of Suffolk, who it seems will fight Aberconwy for the Tories.

    Is there any particular reason why Aberconwy is being represented by someone who apparently calls himself robin4suffolk ?

    I am sure he has applied for thievin4clwyd.
    Where. Wrong geography
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1192562371274969088

    Looks as if Nick Conrad has been given the heave ho.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,722
    edited November 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    Off topic - I said this afternoon you'[d need an ark in Sheffield - well

    https://twitter.com/RB_DONC/status/1192547294610108417

    The environmental election.

    With all parties spaffing money against the wall, has anyone yet promised better flood defences?
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Well done, Araminta, who alerted us quickly to this feckwit.

    Would it not be easy for pb to offer this as a paid service to all the parties?

    It seems the combined efforts of pb.com can easily sniff out the anti-semitic ravings of candidates, their past criminal behaviour, their previous membership of semi-fascist organisations, their lunatic postings on Facebook, the people they beat up in a nightclub five years ago, their connections to foreign intelligence organisations and so.

    Before the name of a candidate is finally released to the public, we receive the name 24 hours earlier. We carry out the vetting service & advise the parties.

    For a generous fee, of course.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Off topic - I said this afternoon you'[d need an ark in Sheffield - well

    https://twitter.com/RB_DONC/status/1192547294610108417

    Not just Sheffield. It is seriously bad here in North Wales
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Roger said:

    Richard Tice standing for Hartlepool!

    A sobbing Isabel Oakeshott believed to be house hunting

    Omg that’s so funny . Brilliant post .
  • Pulpstar said:

    Off topic - I said this afternoon you'[d need an ark in Sheffield - well

    https://twitter.com/RB_DONC/status/1192547294610108417

    That will give the local high streets a boost.
  • Pulpstar said:

    CCHQ aren't messing around this election.

    Is that two or three now for the Tories? How many before misfortune becomes carelessness?

    Are we going to need a running total for each party?
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