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  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    edited October 2019
    Xenophobia. Pure & simple

    I wonder would they have done it if the final word had been "Jew"?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Third like labour
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494
    Ninth, like the labour party I can't count
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    nichomar said:

    Third like labour

    The education system at work? Second shurely?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    What is happening to this country? Cameron, hang your head in shame!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    ThomasNashe said:

    What is happening to this country? Cameron, hang your head in shame!

    Unless you think he created the desire to leave, and associated impacts, your anger is misplaced. People do not develop opinions because a PM gave them an opportunity to vote onthe question of leaving the EU.

    The image is a disgrace, and a lazy one to boot.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Beibheirli_C said:

    nichomar said:

    Third like labour

    The education system at work? Second shurely?
    Well it was when I looked at the article before I moved to vanilla then I found I was second.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    kle4 said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    What is happening to this country? Cameron, hang your head in shame!

    Unless you think he created the desire to leave, and associated impacts, your anger is misplaced. People do not develop opinions because a PM gave them an opportunity to vote onthe question of leaving the EU.

    The image is a disgrace, and a lazy one to boot.
    He it was who ceded control to these people.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    nichomar said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    nichomar said:

    Third like labour

    The education system at work? Second shurely?
    Well it was when I looked at the article before I moved to vanilla then I found I was second.
    Just too excited by Yeovil town going three nil up against Woking in the first half to be rational.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    kle4 said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    What is happening to this country? Cameron, hang your head in shame!

    Unless you think he created the desire to leave, and associated impacts, your anger is misplaced. People do not develop opinions because a PM gave them an opportunity to vote onthe question of leaving the EU.

    The image is a disgrace, and a lazy one to boot.
    The image alone is OK, noticeably different from a "Hitler Gruß". It's the words and their juxtoposition with the photo of Merkel that is sickening. But I guess the people who created it wanted to jolt this reaction from a "deserter".
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    What do you expect from the cancer of Farage and Banks?

    At least they aren't using Nazi era imagery to demonise immigrants this time.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    nichomar said:

    Third like labour

    You wonder if that might be a metaphor for Labour - just about hanging on to second unexpectedly.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Leave.eu reveals its true colours.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,121
    FPT

    So as I return from our 24 day trans Atlantic cruise having enjoyed clear blue skies at all our ports, dined on the open deck as we slipped moorings in Manhattan and sailed away in the early evening experiencing NewYork in all it's splendour and then in contrast as we sailed to Newport, Boston, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, the most glorious 'fall colours', I see that Boris is confounding his critics and is causing those who want to remain a real nervous breakdown.

    The 11 sea days we had rather reflected brexit with calm seas giving way to storm force and ever deepening lows, fierce thunder storms with lightning shooting down the side of the dining room windows and then, to cap it all, and so in tune with Brexit, we entered the deepest impenetrable fog as we entered the English channel with the constant ship's fog horn making it difficult to catch sleep

    All in all 8,500 miles of fun and enjoyment on a ship with virtually 95% British passengers (unusual in itself) and no one talked of Brexit at all

    And for those who like trivia the head chef informed us yesterday they prepare over 22,000 meals every day, year after year, with no exceptions, for the 4,000 plus passengers and crew

    Pleased to be back and hope to contribute from time to time
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    ThomasNashe said:

    What is happening to this country? Cameron, hang your head in shame!

    He has unleashed demons.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Depressing, shameful and worrying for the future.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    rottenborough said:

    Leave.eu reveals its true colours.

    Indeed. Closet racists, fruitcakes & loons
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    edited October 2019
    As a German acquaintance of mine put it on Twitter: "The more I see the anti-EU/German rhetoric spewed by Brexiteers, the more angry I get and the more likely I will turn into a seething, frothing-at-the-mouth Remainer. I grew up with racist rhetoric and you insufferable cockwomble[s] are nothing new. I despised it then + do now too!"

    Couldn't have done any better myself.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,236
    rottenborough said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    What is happening to this country? Cameron, hang your head in shame!

    He has unleashed demons.
    Is that treatable ?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622
    Who is in control of Leave.EU currently ?
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,565
    Really poor choice to run this as a header - given everything else going on, why give this the oxygen of publicity?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Chris_A said:

    As a German acquaintance of mine put it on Twitter: "The more I see the anti-EU/German rhetoric spewed by Brexiteers, the more angry I get and the more likely I will turn into a seething, frothing-at-the-mouth Remainer. I grew up with racist rhetoric and you insufferable cockwomble[s] are nothing new. I despised it then + do now too!"

    Couldn't have done any better myself.

    I quite agree. I wonder which of the local PB cockwombles will be the first to defend the poster?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    Laecherlich!
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,236
    “Rot inside the customs union” ?

    Given a majority of the NI electorate favoured May’s deal, should that not be bask in the security of ... ?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Like the first bit

    2nd part is offensive - and I admit to not noticing the "salute" on first glance
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    A photo of Mark reckless, even of private francois and Bridgen is less repellant than that piece of detritus.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    ThomasNashe said:

    kle4 said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    What is happening to this country? Cameron, hang your head in shame!

    Unless you think he created the desire to leave, and associated impacts, your anger is misplaced. People do not develop opinions because a PM gave them an opportunity to vote onthe question of leaving the EU.

    The image is a disgrace, and a lazy one to boot.
    He it was who ceded control to these people.
    Another silly one. Unpleasant views on all parts of the political spectrum are the price of democracy. Unless you want to limit the franchise to the views you like.....
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    It's an effective piece of agitprop that will fire up the people it is aimed at (a group of people that does not include me).

    I would wish that my side of the argument could produce something as effective (while also not being needlessly offensive).
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    Terrible and must play into the Basil "Who won the bloody war anyway" Fawlty type caricature that UKIP were famous for.

    The Brexit Party has done a lot to move away from that sort of image which is why they are so much more formidible compared to UKIP/Leave.Eu.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    That is truly a despicable ad. Racist to its core.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    I support B. As you forgot to mention the help from France and Russia in WW1, and the US in both, that, Felix, quite a pathetic omission.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627
    Is it Arron Banks still running this mob? Someone needs to have a word in his ear, stuff like this doesn’t convert anyone to his cause - if anything it swings a few people the other way.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Didn't Russia chip in at some point?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Unless I've forgotten all my history - yes.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622
    tpfkar said:

    Really poor choice to run this as a header - given everything else going on, why give this the oxygen of publicity?

    Because people love to be 'offended' while others love the publicity the provoking causes.

    It doesn't matter what the argument is or what side people are on.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Personally, I hope this gets classified as hate speech and the originator arrested and charged
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    https://twitter.com/ryanobles/status/1181629202346516481

    Time to call it a day Bernie.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    On topic, what do I think?

    I think All that “Boris deal” triumphalism on here seems a very long time ago now
    It was obvious at the time leavers were having one of their barking mad spasms

    Now they show their true colours, and show us what Brexit has really been all along, a whoopee cushion full of jingoism and no substance at all.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    OblitusSumMe said:

    It's an effective piece of agitprop that will fire up the people it is aimed at (a group of people that does not include me).

    I would wish that my side of the argument could produce something as effective (while also not being needlessly offensive).

    That was my feeling. No doubt it explains why people are getting overly excited about it. However, this kind of thing has little impact beyond the UK shores.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    The_Taxman said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    The_Taxman said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    The_Taxman said:



    Parliament is soverign where as advisory referendum are not!

    Like I said keep deluding yourself. The narrative will be.one of complete betrayal and you Remaniacs will own that
    Delusion is one thing, I could give you insight into that! Actual legal basis and the fundamental basis of law is another. I dont have a problem with a deal as you advocate but i cannot see it happening under BJ! I dont think No Deal is democratically the way to go unless a. confirmatory vote is held!
    Just because something is legal does not mean it is either right or wise.

    Suicide is legal but it is not something I would advocate or pursue. Revocation, either with or without a referendum is democracy committing suicide.
    I hope nobody kills themselves over Brexit!

    Many people were for it but you have to remeber many were against as it removed rights!

    You like Brexit because it fit your world view! There are others it did not!
    EU citizenship was imposed on me agsinst my will. Anyone who wishes to remain an EU citizen can do it by becoming a citizen of one of the other EU countries. Ghey wouldn't even have to give up British citizenship. But I cannot did myself of EU citizenship without discarding my British citizenship as well. Do please stop whining.
    You do realise that technically nobody is an "EU Citizen"? This is just shorthand for being a "citizen of a country which is in the EU". So you have just said that your British Citizenship was imposed on you against you will.

    As for your second point: the conditions of becoming a citizen of an EU country depends on the country in question and most (?all) impose a minimum period of residency unless you apply through marriage, and this minimum time is longer than the time elapsed since the referendum.

    Once the UK is out of the EU the UK citizens gaining German citizenship will have to give up their UK citizenship (there will be a period of grace up until the end of 2020 if there is a deal, no period of grace if there is no deal). Germany only accepts dual citizenship for minors living in Germany and citizens of EU countries.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    another_richard said:

    Who is in control of Leave.EU currently ?

    Banks and Wigmore I would think?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    I think it’s juvenile bollocks and I tweeted Aaron Banks directly as such.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Didn't Russia chip in at some point?
    Of course not. Biggles won it single handed and was back in time for lunch at his club!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    When people argue for a long time the blows get lower and lower and lower. We are at that stage now. Leave won the referendum 3 1/4 years ago, and we haven’t left - that is absolutely outrageous, and the passing of each day doesn’t make it any less so. Leave EU were always prepared to go near the knuckle, why be surprised they react like this to our continued membership of the EU?
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Unless I've forgotten all my history - yes.
    The United States of America was never a british colony!

    Parts of the USA used to be British colonies.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386
    In some quarters, once Cameron called the referendum, the whole point of Brexit has been to promote Mr Johnson, everything else has been secondary.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,121
    Oh dear, is this where 'leave' have descended too.

    It saddens me to say, but it looks as if a failure to agree next week is going to result in a very bitter and nasty period on all sides and there is no clear resolution in sight without a deal of some kind. TM had the deal and the HOC collectively failed to see the wider picture and pass it

    We would have been out now
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    egg said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    I support B. As you forgot to mention the help from France and Russia in WW1, and the US in both, that, Felix, quite a pathetic omission.
    My my you do love your commas... to death.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    eristdoof said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Unless I've forgotten all my history - yes.
    The United States of America was never a british colony!

    Parts of the USA used to be British colonies.
    The USA was a union of former British colonies.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    isam said:

    When people argue for a long time the blows get lower and lower and lower. We are at that stage now. Leave won the referendum 3 1/4 years ago, and we haven’t left - that is absolutely outrageous, and the passing of each day doesn’t make it any less so. Leave EU were always prepared to go near the knuckle, why be surprised they react like this to our continued membership of the EU?

    You don't have to be surprised to be disgusted.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Oh dear, is this where 'leave' have descended too.

    No just one part of Leave. ;)

    Did you and Mrs G enjoy your holiday?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    It played the leading part in WWI from about 1916 onwards, with a bit of help from the Americans at the end, and had to shoulder the full burden once Russia bailed out before they arrived.

    Junior partner in WWII from about 1942 but still politically a leading one and militarily comparable in Europe well into 1944.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,488
    A very unpleasant advert. Seems rather to be trying to get taken up by the German press and perhaps even in its own small petty nasty way make agreement less likely. I'm really glad I'm not on Twitter, it brings out the very worst. If I were Boris I'd call on Nigel Farage to condemn it. Politically, that would be difficult for him to do.

  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    eristdoof said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Unless I've forgotten all my history - yes.
    The United States of America was never a british colony!

    Parts of the USA used to be British colonies.
    Try looking through pink-tinted glasses. It helps show the Empire on the atlas....
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Didn't Russia chip in at some point?
    They did, by invading Poland alongside Germany :wink:

    Doubtless there are plenty of people who would get outraged over the referral to Russia instead of the Soviet Union.

    This thread seems to have gone full Godwin in record time.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Personally, I hope this gets classified as hate speech and the originator arrested and charged

    I think it’s crass, childish, insulting, and grossly offensive but don’t be ridiculous.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Didn't Russia chip in at some point?
    Of course not. Biggles won it single handed and was back in time for lunch at his club!
    Well with that comment you’ve just destroyed any right you had to be offended by the Leave EU “advert”.

    They’re certainly wrong to even consider putting out such a thing but you’ve just shown yourself to be as equally crass and historically ignorant.

    You obviously think you’re being clever. So well done you.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Personally, I hope this gets classified as hate speech and the originator arrested and charged

    You mean like Pullman when he wished Bojo hanged? Or was that just a bit of friendly banter? This is the sort of silly game boring people can play all night.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    Intteresting tweet on the Leave EU account seemingly tying Boris and Farage together (not sure Downing St will be happy to see that lol)


    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1181612709281968128
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Didn't Russia chip in at some point?
    While I have got my pedantic hat on, it was the Soviet Union. But then again I believe that Russians often called the USSR Russia as well.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Didn't Russia chip in at some point?
    Yup - in the case of the second one it didn't end too well for one half of Europe.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    DUP RIP

    Arlene Foster says that Angela Merkel's comments have revealed the 'real objective of Dublin and the EU'

    'The PM's proposals have flushed out Dublin's real intentions Northern Ireland in the EU customs union forever

    'We will not accept any such ultimatum or outcome'

    Then face electoral destruction because the NI people of all persuasions do not support you or bad Brexit
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,533
    Welcome back to Big G!

    The ad is ridiculous - as GIN says, very much in the Basil Fawlty tradition. The risk of this sort of thing as well as Dom's antics is that the world will stop taking us seriously at all. They've already moved from respect to pity, but if we're not careful they'll move on to contempt. (Trump runs the same risk.)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Sandpit said:

    Is it Arron Banks still running this mob? Someone needs to have a word in his ear, stuff like this doesn’t convert anyone to his cause - if anything it swings a few people the other way.

    No wonder Cummings didn’t want him anywhere near the official Leave campaign, is it?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    another_richard said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Didn't Russia chip in at some point?
    They did, by invading Poland alongside Germany :wink:

    Doubtless there are plenty of people who would get outraged over the referral to Russia instead of the Soviet Union.

    This thread seems to have gone full Godwin in record time.
    It was Godwinned by the header :)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Obviously it Solidifies his base 0 - 1 people Who think Trump admitting crimes live on TV is bad

    https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1181649343436091392?s=19
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    another_richard said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Didn't Russia chip in at some point?
    They did, by invading Poland alongside Germany :wink:

    Doubtless there are plenty of people who would get outraged over the referral to Russia instead of the Soviet Union.

    This thread seems to have gone full Godwin in record time.
    The original article is Godwin's Law.
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    eristdoof said:

    kle4 said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    What is happening to this country? Cameron, hang your head in shame!

    Unless you think he created the desire to leave, and associated impacts, your anger is misplaced. People do not develop opinions because a PM gave them an opportunity to vote onthe question of leaving the EU.

    The image is a disgrace, and a lazy one to boot.
    The image alone is OK, noticeably different from a "Hitler Gruß". It's the words and their juxtoposition with the photo of Merkel that is sickening. But I guess the people who created it wanted to jolt this reaction from a "deserter".
    The visual imagery is in fact remarkably restrained, compared for example to the height of the Greek financial crisis.
    Once everything gets a little more emotional I fully expect the tried and trusted addition of the 'Adolf moustache' to such pictures.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    eristdoof said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Unless I've forgotten all my history - yes.
    The United States of America was never a british colony!

    Parts of the USA used to be British colonies.
    Pedant award of the day....
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    eristdoof said:

    another_richard said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Didn't Russia chip in at some point?
    They did, by invading Poland alongside Germany :wink:

    Doubtless there are plenty of people who would get outraged over the referral to Russia instead of the Soviet Union.

    This thread seems to have gone full Godwin in record time.
    The original article is Godwin's Law.
    Snap!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    Beverley posts like a fifteen-year old teenager who’s grabbed a hold of her mum’s computer.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,891
    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    A great deal of help from the Irish in the Great War, and a lot more than is sometimes believed in the second unpleasantness.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    The most absurd argument of the whole Brexit debacle is that which says that MPs elected on a pledge to implement the referendum result are perfectly within their rights to vote against a deal agreed with the EU because the ERG and Nigel Farage think it’s too soft. I canny believe ostensibly sensible people attempt to make it.

    If you were a constituent of such an MP, wanted to leave with a compromise deal, or were a Remainer who accepted a soft Brexit, or someone whose job would be threatened by no deal, what would you say to the likes of Heidi Allen, Sarah Wollaston, etc when the fact is they voted against a deal that the EU and a Remain PM thought reasonable because they were more concerned about what Jacob Rees Mogg and Steve Baker thought? And No deal is more likely as a result
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    A very unpleasant advert. Seems rather to be trying to get taken up by the German press and perhaps even in its own small petty nasty way make agreement less likely. I'm really glad I'm not on Twitter, it brings out the very worst. If I were Boris I'd call on Nigel Farage to condemn it. Politically, that would be difficult for him to do.

    +1
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,488
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    A very unpleasant advert. Seems rather to be trying to get taken up by the German press and perhaps even in its own small petty nasty way make agreement less likely. I'm really glad I'm not on Twitter, it brings out the very worst. If I were Boris I'd call on Nigel Farage to condemn it. Politically, that would be difficult for him to do.

    The only other thing to ponder is the deliberate crass offensiveness of it, in that you can easily imply telling the Germans to fuck off because we won the war, without directly saying so. Perhaps it's been done to monitor responses.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,121
    NickPalmer said:

    Welcome back to Big G!

    The ad is ridiculous - as GIN says, very much in the Basil Fawlty tradition. The risk of this sort of thing as well as Dom's antics is that the world will stop taking us seriously at all. They've already moved from respect to pity, but if we're not careful they'll move on to contempt. (Trump runs the same risk.)

    Thanks Nick. My wife's dream of sailing into New York fulfilled as part of her forthcoming 80th birthday celebrations. You are never too old to achieve your dreams
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited October 2019
    Warren has nudged ahead of Biden on the Realclearpolitics average (26.6% to 26.4%).
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    This is an unpleasant and boorish ad, but come on, it's not the reissue of Der ewige Jude.

    Over-reaction is what the makers want, of course.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    A photo of Mark reckless, even of private francois and Bridgen is less repellant than that piece of detritus.

    Seems a bit extreme. I mean, I know she has her faults but I wouldn't call Merkel a Traitorous Pig Dog.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    egg said:

    DUP RIP

    Arlene Foster says that Angela Merkel's comments have revealed the 'real objective of Dublin and the EU'

    'The PM's proposals have flushed out Dublin's real intentions Northern Ireland in the EU customs union forever

    'We will not accept any such ultimatum or outcome'

    Then face electoral destruction because the NI people of all persuasions do not support you or bad Brexit

    We are playing with fire if we allow the two sides of the sectarian divide to become part of the Remain-Leave divide.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    ozymandias said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Didn't Russia chip in at some point?
    Of course not. Biggles won it single handed and was back in time for lunch at his club!
    Well with that comment you’ve just destroyed any right you had to be offended by the Leave EU “advert”.

    They’re certainly wrong to even consider putting out such a thing but you’ve just shown yourself to be as equally crass and historically ignorant.

    You obviously think you’re being clever. So well done you.
    :D:D

    You need a sarcasm detector
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,498
    That poster.

    That is a fucking disgrace.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    egg said:

    DUP RIP

    Arlene Foster says that Angela Merkel's comments have revealed the 'real objective of Dublin and the EU'

    'The PM's proposals have flushed out Dublin's real intentions Northern Ireland in the EU customs union forever

    'We will not accept any such ultimatum or outcome'

    Then face electoral destruction because the NI people of all persuasions do not support you or bad Brexit

    So some good would come of a NDB?
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    rottenborough said:

    Leave.eu reveals its true colours.


    All leavers showing their true colours. From the triumphalism of last Wednesday to the stasi nastiness of tonight.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,488
    isam said:

    The most absurd argument of the whole Brexit debacle is that which says that MPs elected on a pledge to implement the referendum result are perfectly within their rights to vote against a deal agreed with the EU because the ERG and Nigel Farage think it’s too soft. I canny believe ostensibly sensible people attempt to make it.

    If you were a constituent of such an MP, wanted to leave with a compromise deal, or were a Remainer who accepted a soft Brexit, or someone whose job would be threatened by no deal, what would you say to the likes of Heidi Allen, Sarah Wollaston, etc when the fact is they voted against a deal that the EU and a Remain PM thought reasonable because they were more concerned about what Jacob Rees Mogg and Steve Baker thought? And No deal is more likely as a result

    That's because the people making that argument aren't being truthful.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    eristdoof said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    The_Taxman said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    The_Taxman said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    The_Taxman said:



    Parliament is soverign where as advisory referendum are not!

    Like I said keep deluding yourself. The narrative will be.one of complete betrayal and you Remaniacs will own that
    Delusion is one thing, I could give you insight into that! Actual legal basis and the fundamental basis of law is another. I dont have a problem with a deal as you advocate but i cannot see it happening under BJ! I dont think No Deal is democratically the way to go unless a. confirmatory vote is held!
    Just because something is legal does not mean it is either right or wise.

    Suicide is legal but it is not something I would advocate or pursue. Revocation, either with or without a referendum is democracy committing suicide.
    I hope nobody kills themselves over Brexit!

    Many people were for it but you have to remeber many were against as it removed rights!

    You like Brexit because it fit your world view! There are others it did not!
    EU citizenship was imposed on me agsinst my will. Anyone who wishes to remain an EU citizen can do it by becoming a citizen of one of the other EU countries. Ghey wouldn't even have to give up British citizenship. But I cannot did myself of EU citizenship without discarding my British citizenship as well. Do please stop whining.
    You do realise that technically nobody is an "EU Citizen"? This is just shorthand for being a "citizen of a country which is in the EU". So you have just said that your British Citizenship was imposed on you against you will.

    As for your second point: the conditions of becoming a citizen of an EU country depends on the country in question and most (?all) impose a minimum period of residency unless you apply through marriage, and this minimum time is longer than the time elapsed since the referendum.

    Once the UK is out of the EU the UK citizens gaining German citizenship will have to give up their UK citizenship (there will be a period of grace up until the end of 2020 if there is a deal, no period of grace if there is no deal). Germany only accepts dual citizenship for minors living in Germany and citizens of EU countries.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Union
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2019
    Gabs2 said:

    isam said:

    When people argue for a long time the blows get lower and lower and lower. We are at that stage now. Leave won the referendum 3 1/4 years ago, and we haven’t left - that is absolutely outrageous, and the passing of each day doesn’t make it any less so. Leave EU were always prepared to go near the knuckle, why be surprised they react like this to our continued membership of the EU?

    You don't have to be surprised to be disgusted.
    It is unpleasant, and appeals to base instincts that surely few people have now. Does any significant minority still think of Germany as our enemy?

    But when the establishment hold out on the result of democratic votes, the descent into disorder is inevitable, and here we are.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622
    NickPalmer said:

    Welcome back to Big G!

    The ad is ridiculous - as GIN says, very much in the Basil Fawlty tradition. The risk of this sort of thing as well as Dom's antics is that the world will stop taking us seriously at all. They've already moved from respect to pity, but if we're not careful they'll move on to contempt. (Trump runs the same risk.)

    The thing about the Basil Fawlty Germans scene is that Basil has been hit on the head which is what causes him to lose all control.

    He isn't doing it deliberately.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Casino_Royale said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    Beverley posts like a fifteen-year old teenager who’s grabbed a hold of her mum’s computer.
    How dare you! I would write a full response but I need to get my homework finished for school in the morning.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Beibheirli_C said:

    ozymandias said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Didn't Russia chip in at some point?
    Of course not. Biggles won it single handed and was back in time for lunch at his club!
    Well with that comment you’ve just destroyed any right you had to be offended by the Leave EU “advert”.

    They’re certainly wrong to even consider putting out such a thing but you’ve just shown yourself to be as equally crass and historically ignorant.

    You obviously think you’re being clever. So well done you.
    :D:D

    You need a sarcasm detector
    I have to agree with him though.

    You're grossly downplaying the role of 666 Squadron in general and Algy and Ginger in particular.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,498
    isam said:

    When people argue for a long time the blows get lower and lower and lower. We are at that stage now. Leave won the referendum 3 1/4 years ago, and we haven’t left - that is absolutely outrageous, and the passing of each day doesn’t make it any less so. Leave EU were always prepared to go near the knuckle, why be surprised they react like this to our continued membership of the EU?

    Sounds like you are trying to defend it to me.

  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    another_richard said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Welcome back to Big G!

    The ad is ridiculous - as GIN says, very much in the Basil Fawlty tradition. The risk of this sort of thing as well as Dom's antics is that the world will stop taking us seriously at all. They've already moved from respect to pity, but if we're not careful they'll move on to contempt. (Trump runs the same risk.)

    The thing about the Basil Fawlty Germans scene is that Basil has been hit on the head which is what causes him to lose all control.

    He isn't doing it deliberately.
    And it’s a piss take of this kind of advert.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,121
    egg said:

    rottenborough said:

    Leave.eu reveals its true colours.


    All leavers showing their true colours. From the triumphalism of last Wednesday to the stasi nastiness of tonight.
    What happened last wednesday as I was out of the communication loop for a few days then
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    egg said:

    DUP RIP

    Arlene Foster says that Angela Merkel's comments have revealed the 'real objective of Dublin and the EU'

    'The PM's proposals have flushed out Dublin's real intentions Northern Ireland in the EU customs union forever

    'We will not accept any such ultimatum or outcome'

    Then face electoral destruction because the NI people of all persuasions do not support you or bad Brexit

    DUP only vulnerable in South Belfast, and even then could hang on if remain parties continue to be split. Sinn Fein abstention policy makes pacts very difficult.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    ydoethur said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ozymandias said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    felix said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    It is also inaccurate. The UK did not win two world wars. It was on the winning side twice.

    The UK had help both times. (Also just reinforcing the fact that it was not England wot won it)

    Good heavens - we clearly had little help from the republic of Ireland but yes we had many allies from former colonies. The ad is very unpleasant - it's a symptom of the polarised nation we are. However, your take is pretty pathetic.
    So the USA is still viewed as a former colony?
    Didn't Russia chip in at some point?
    Of course not. Biggles won it single handed and was back in time for lunch at his club!
    Well with that comment you’ve just destroyed any right you had to be offended by the Leave EU “advert”.

    They’re certainly wrong to even consider putting out such a thing but you’ve just shown yourself to be as equally crass and historically ignorant.

    You obviously think you’re being clever. So well done you.
    :D:D

    You need a sarcasm detector
    I have to agree with him though.

    You're grossly downplaying the role of 666 Squadron in general and Algy and Ginger in particular.
    You do know that in the movie, he had a black labrador with a VERY politically incorrect name?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    egg said:

    rottenborough said:

    Leave.eu reveals its true colours.


    All leavers showing their true colours. From the triumphalism of last Wednesday to the stasi nastiness of tonight.
    Remind me what happened last Wednesday (its hard to remember what happened 15 minutes ago at the moment :D ) ?
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,152
    Turns out Cameron was wrong to say "fruitcakes, loonies, and closet racists".

    Nothing "closet" about it.
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