How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
A VONC wouldn't trigger an election for fourteen days. That would take us into mid-December before it could take place and I really think that isn't going to happen.
Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti
Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?
Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election. If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.
In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
In the 20th century we had three December elections - 1910 - 1918 - and 1923. January elections took place in 1910 and 1906 . February elections were held in 1950 and 1974. It is far from obvious that we need delay until March - particularly given the much greater availability of postal voting.
How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
A VONC wouldn't trigger an election for fourteen days. That would take us into mid-December before it could take place and I really think that isn't going to happen.
That assumes that the full fourteen days would be needed to find a replacement.
Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti
Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?
Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election. If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.
In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
In the 20th century we had three December elections - 1910 - 1918 - and 1923. January elections took place in 1910 and 1906 . February elections were held in 1950 and 1974. It is far from obvious that we need delay until March - particularly given the much greater availability of postal voting.
Yes, and the December elections all have in common they took place 96 or more years ago.
How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
A VONC wouldn't trigger an election for fourteen days. That would take us into mid-December before it could take place and I really think that isn't going to happen.
That assumes that the full fourteen days would be needed to find a replacement.
Given that Swinson has vetoed Corbyn and Corbyn has vetoed everyone else, that seems to me a very safe assumption.
Well, there will be plenty of time for the gambling adverts!
I watch it on the NFL feed from the US. Far better coverage as they don't feel the need to keep explaining basic principles. Plus you get to see the most amazing US adverts.
Well, there will be plenty of time for the gambling adverts!
I watch it on the NFL feed from the US. Far better coverage as they don't feel the need to keep explaining basic principles. Plus you get to see the most amazing US adverts.
When we get the trade deal Boris is promising you'll get all this medication adverts here, I expect! They're the ones that make me scratch my head most!
Well, there will be plenty of time for the gambling adverts!
When the fun stops - Stop
It's like a little dagger in my heart every time that pops up
NFL Redzone - 7hrs of commercial free coverage.
Other sports should learn, as it is fantastic.
I can never take the NFL seriously.
First of all that padding and protection, man up, and be like rugby.
Secondly the matches take forever, I've been in relationships that haven't lasted as long as an NFL match.
Says the man who goes to all 5 days of a test match....
But we know that beforehand, NFL matches have like 60 minutes of playing time and last hours.
Games last about 3hrs. It is really quite a fantastic spectacle. Unlike baseball, now that is generally shit game that takes even longer...the only exception was seeing Aroldis Chapman pitch from behind home plate sending them down at 105mph.
Also, the beauty of redzone is constant action. As soon as the play stops, they switch to another game.
Well, there will be plenty of time for the gambling adverts!
When the fun stops - Stop
It's like a little dagger in my heart every time that pops up
NFL Redzone - 7hrs of commercial free coverage.
Other sports should learn, as it is fantastic.
I can never take the NFL seriously.
First of all that padding and protection, man up, and be like rugby.
Secondly the matches take forever, I've been in relationships that haven't lasted as long as an NFL match.
Says the man who goes to all 5 days of a test match....
But we know that beforehand, NFL matches have like 60 minutes of playing time and last hours.
Games last about 3hrs. It is really quite a fantastic spectacle. Unlike baseball, now that is generally shit game that takes even longer...the only exception was seeing Aroldis Chapman pitch from behind home plate sending them down at 105mph.
Also, the beauty of redzone is constant action. As soon as the play stops, they switch to another game.
Professional Gridiron is turgid live, but I can recommend getting to a high school game if in the States in season. They are open to the public, no unnecessary breaks and have the full monty of cheerleaders and marching bands. It's like being in an American teen movie.
Well, there will be plenty of time for the gambling adverts!
When the fun stops - Stop
It's like a little dagger in my heart every time that pops up
NFL Redzone - 7hrs of commercial free coverage.
Other sports should learn, as it is fantastic.
I can never take the NFL seriously.
First of all that padding and protection, man up, and be like rugby.
Secondly the matches take forever, I've been in relationships that haven't lasted as long as an NFL match.
Says the man who goes to all 5 days of a test match....
But we know that beforehand, NFL matches have like 60 minutes of playing time and last hours.
Games last about 3hrs. It is really quite a fantastic spectacle. Unlike baseball, now that is generally shit game that takes even longer...the only exception was seeing Aroldis Chapman pitch from behind home plate sending them down at 105mph.
Also, the beauty of redzone is constant action. As soon as the play stops, they switch to another game.
Professional Gridiron is turgid live, but I can recommend getting to a high school game if in the States in season. They are open to the public, no unnecessary breaks and have the full monty of cheerleaders and marching bands. It's like being in an American teen movie.
US College games are the best atmosphere I have encountered. Just absolutely massive crowds.
I wouldn't watch NFL live every week, but I go most years to one of the NFL games in London and the speed and power is something to behold and some of the hits are just earth shattering.
They are just far bigger and faster than rugby players...probably because the drug testing policy isn't exactly Olympic standard.
To be a running back in the NFL you must be absolutely brain dead. What we want you to do is run full tilt and try and squeeze through a tiny gap between a set of 350 pound 6ft 6+ guys and if they don't manage to get you, some other guy will more than likely clatter you with his helmet into your knees just as you get through the hole. And then rinse and repeat 20-30 times a game.
How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
A VONC wouldn't trigger an election for fourteen days. That would take us into mid-December before it could take place and I really think that isn't going to happen.
That assumes that the full fourteen days would be needed to find a replacement.
Given that Swinson has vetoed Corbyn and Corbyn has vetoed everyone else, that seems to me a very safe assumption.
"However, Mr Zaid said the person had first-hand knowledge of allegations associated with the phone call Mr Trump made with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on 25 July."
If true, that seems extremely significant, because so far the allegations have all been via a source that admits they only heard 2nd hand all this stuff, which is obviously easier for people to claim that you didn't get the full story / pick up inaccuracies.
How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
A VONC wouldn't trigger an election for fourteen days. That would take us into mid-December before it could take place and I really think that isn't going to happen.
That assumes that the full fourteen days would be needed to find a replacement.
Given that Swinson has vetoed Corbyn and Corbyn has vetoed everyone else, that seems to me a very safe assumption.
How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
A VONC wouldn't trigger an election for fourteen days. That would take us into mid-December before it could take place and I really think that isn't going to happen.
No and I'm not sure that the Tory rebels and some of the independents would support a VONC if the extension has been obtained. No doubt some of them harbour hopes of returning to the fold and VONCing the government would ensure they were cast out permanently.
Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me
If it culminates in another 9% lead for the Democrats in the next election, then that sounds OK to me.
I doubt very much that the democrats want to see Trump removed. Pence would be a much tougher opponent.
Would he ? I’m not convinced.
In any event, Pence is quite deeply implicated. If Trump were to go down, Pence might conceivably go down too.
Well I don't suppose Donald will go down without taking a few others with him, it's true, but I would have thought Pence was shrewd enough to have kept his nose clean. Anyway the point is that the Dems would be pretty sure of beating the D; why risk taking on an unknown quantity?
Since when has been a legitimate discussion of betting being trolling?
It is worthy of discussion that someone who was 500/1 to be next PM in August is now 33/1.
If only to remind those who followed your tip to take their profit.
Along those lines, I still have hopes of my 1000/1 on Romney fructifiying as the impeachment story develops. He’s one of the few Republicans of any seniority not adopting the ‘nothing to see here’ pose.
How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
A VONC wouldn't trigger an election for fourteen days. That would take us into mid-December before it could take place and I really think that isn't going to happen.
That assumes that the full fourteen days would be needed to find a replacement.
Given that Swinson has vetoed Corbyn and Corbyn has vetoed everyone else, that seems to me a very safe assumption.
Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me
Granted admitting a scofflaw to the Supreme Court was fairly extreme, but Trump’s likely crimes against the constitution go well beyond that.
American politics feels very much like supporting a football team. You cheer your own side and boo the other. And the ref is always a w*nker when a decision doesn't go your team's way.
Sadly I reckon that style of politics is also catching on here.
How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
A VONC wouldn't trigger an election for fourteen days. That would take us into mid-December before it could take place and I really think that isn't going to happen.
That assumes that the full fourteen days would be needed to find a replacement.
Given that Swinson has vetoed Corbyn and Corbyn has vetoed everyone else, that seems to me a very safe assumption.
Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me
If it culminates in another 9% lead for the Democrats in the next election, then that sounds OK to me.
I doubt very much that the democrats want to see Trump removed. Pence would be a much tougher opponent.
Would he ? I’m not convinced.
In any event, Pence is quite deeply implicated. If Trump were to go down, Pence might conceivably go down too.
Well I don't suppose Donald will go down without taking a few others with him, it's true, but I would have thought Pence was shrewd enough to have kept his nose clean. Anyway the point is that the Dems would be pretty sure of beating the D; why risk taking on an unknown quantity?
Since when has been a legitimate discussion of betting being trolling?
It is worthy of discussion that someone who was 500/1 to be next PM in August is now 33/1.
If only to remind those who followed your tip to take their profit.
Along those lines, I still have hopes of my 1000/1 on Romney fructifiying as the impeachment story develops. He’s one of the few Republicans of any seniority not adopting the ‘nothing to see here’ pose.
Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me
If it culminates in another 9% lead for the Democrats in the next election, then that sounds OK to me.
I doubt very much that the democrats want to see Trump removed. Pence would be a much tougher opponent.
Would he ? I’m not convinced.
In any event, Pence is quite deeply implicated. If Trump were to go down, Pence might conceivably go down too.
Well I don't suppose Donald will go down without taking a few others with him, it's true, but I would have thought Pence was shrewd enough to have kept his nose clean. Anyway the point is that the Dems would be pretty sure of beating the D; why risk taking on an unknown quantity?
The interesting thing about Trump dropping out/being dropped is that it throws the entire Dem field and all their strategies out of the window.
Who will scrabble fast enough to respond to facing Pence-Hailey?
Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me
Granted admitting a scofflaw to the Supreme Court was fairly extreme, but Trump’s likely crimes against the constitution go well beyond that.
American politics feels very much like supporting a football team. You cheer your own side and boo the other. And the ref is always a w*nker when a decision doesn't go your team's way.
Sadly I reckon that style of politics is also catching on here.
Like his colleague Clarence Thomas, who was also credibly accused of being a sex pest during his appointment hearings, Kavanaugh scorns the principle of stare decisis, so scofflaw is not entirely unfair.
Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me
If it culminates in another 9% lead for the Democrats in the next election, then that sounds OK to me.
I doubt very much that the democrats want to see Trump removed. Pence would be a much tougher opponent.
Would he ? I’m not convinced.
In any event, Pence is quite deeply implicated. If Trump were to go down, Pence might conceivably go down too.
Well I don't suppose Donald will go down without taking a few others with him, it's true, but I would have thought Pence was shrewd enough to have kept his nose clean. Anyway the point is that the Dems would be pretty sure of beating the D; why risk taking on an unknown quantity?
The interesting thing about Trump dropping out/being dropped is that it throws the entire Dem field and all their strategies out of the window.
Who will scrabble fast enough to respond to facing Pence-Hailey?
Highest scoring scrabble word I can think of from those two is ‘cheaply’.
Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me
If it culminates in another 9% lead for the Democrats in the next election, then that sounds OK to me.
I doubt very much that the democrats want to see Trump removed. Pence would be a much tougher opponent.
Would he ? I’m not convinced.
In any event, Pence is quite deeply implicated. If Trump were to go down, Pence might conceivably go down too.
Well I don't suppose Donald will go down without taking a few others with him, it's true, but I would have thought Pence was shrewd enough to have kept his nose clean. Anyway the point is that the Dems would be pretty sure of beating the D; why risk taking on an unknown quantity?
The interesting thing about Trump dropping out/being dropped is that it throws the entire Dem field and all their strategies out of the window.
Who will scrabble fast enough to respond to facing Pence-Hailey?
Highest scoring scrabble word I can think of from those two is ‘cheaply’.
Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti
Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?
Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election. If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.
In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
In the 20th century we had three December elections - 1910 - 1918 - and 1923. January elections took place in 1910 and 1906 . February elections were held in 1950 and 1974. It is far from obvious that we need delay until March - particularly given the much greater availability of postal voting.
Yes, and the December elections all have in common they took place 96 or more years ago.
I would have thought that the practicalities of holding an election in December in those distant days were a fair more demanding that would be likely today - particularly given the ready availability of postal votes.
If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.
While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?
You don't understand Leaver logic
1) Boris Johnson, elected as leader of Conservative Party by Conservative Party activists: entirely democratic Prime Minister, what is all the fuss. 2) John Bercow, elected as PM by a majority of MPs: coup! Hang the traitor!
How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
A VONC wouldn't trigger an election for fourteen days. That would take us into mid-December before it could take place and I really think that isn't going to happen.
That assumes that the full fourteen days would be needed to find a replacement.
Given that Swinson has vetoed Corbyn and Corbyn has vetoed everyone else, that seems to me a very safe assumption.
Also assumes 5 week campaign. Can be shortened.
Five minutes would be long enough for most of us.
Brenda says '3' would be enough.
In all seriousness, it would be a de facto 2nd ref. Since we've been deliberating Brexit for over three years, why do we need a campaign?
Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti
Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?
Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election. If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.
In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
In the 20th century we had three December elections - 1910 - 1918 - and 1923. January elections took place in 1910 and 1906 . February elections were held in 1950 and 1974. It is far from obvious that we need delay until March - particularly given the much greater availability of postal voting.
Yes, and the December elections all have in common they took place 96 or more years ago.
I would have thought that the practicalities of holding an election in December in those distant days were a fair more demanding that would be likely today - particularly given the ready availability of postal votes.
You mean, in those distant days when the electorate was about half the size, life expectancy was around a third lower and we didn't have universal suffrage?
Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti
Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?
Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election. If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.
In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
In the 20th century we had three December elections - 1910 - 1918 - and 1923. January elections took place in 1910 and 1906 . February elections were held in 1950 and 1974. It is far from obvious that we need delay until March - particularly given the much greater availability of postal voting.
Yes, and the December elections all have in common they took place 96 or more years ago.
I would have thought that the practicalities of holding an election in December in those distant days were a fair more demanding that would be likely today - particularly given the ready availability of postal votes.
True, but it will be about as welcome as the Black Death.
Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me
If it culminates in another 9% lead for the Democrats in the next election, then that sounds OK to me.
I doubt very much that the democrats want to see Trump removed. Pence would be a much tougher opponent.
I really don’t think so. Took him multiple tries to get into Congress, barely won the Indiana governorship and was cruising to re-election defeat when Trump picked him for veep, and even other evangelicals think he’s a bit weird. Any Dem would walk it against Pence in 2020.
Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me
If it culminates in another 9% lead for the Democrats in the next election, then that sounds OK to me.
I doubt very much that the democrats want to see Trump removed. Pence would be a much tougher opponent.
I really don’t think so. Took him multiple tries to get into Congress, barely won the Indiana governorship and was cruising to re-election defeat when Trump picked him for veep, and even other evangelicals think he’s a bit weird. Any Dem would walk it against Pence in 2020.
OTOH, those with a Jones for Indiana could look forward to a Pence/Buttigieg contest...
Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti
Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?
Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election. If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.
In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
In the 20th century we had three December elections - 1910 - 1918 - and 1923. January elections took place in 1910 and 1906 . February elections were held in 1950 and 1974. It is far from obvious that we need delay until March - particularly given the much greater availability of postal voting.
Yes, and the December elections all have in common they took place 96 or more years ago.
I would have thought that the practicalities of holding an election in December in those distant days were a fair more demanding that would be likely today - particularly given the ready availability of postal votes.
You mean, in those distant days when the electorate was about half the size, life expectancy was around a third lower and we didn't have universal suffrage?
I believe male life expectancy in 1923 was circa 60 years. Transport is more readily available today - and - to repeat - postal votes are available as an option.
Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti
Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?
Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election. If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.
In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
In the 20th century we had three December elections - 1910 - 1918 - and 1923. January elections took place in 1910 and 1906 . February elections were held in 1950 and 1974. It is far from obvious that we need delay until March - particularly given the much greater availability of postal voting.
Yes, and the December elections all have in common they took place 96 or more years ago.
I would have thought that the practicalities of holding an election in December in those distant days were a fair more demanding that would be likely today - particularly given the ready availability of postal votes.
True, but it will be about as welcome as the Black Death.
In 1974 Heath called the election for 28th February - but had seriously considered doing so for 7th February.
Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti
Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?
Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election. If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.
In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
In the 20th century we had three December elections - 1910 - 1918 - and 1923. January elections took place in 1910 and 1906 . February elections were held in 1950 and 1974. It is far from obvious that we need delay until March - particularly given the much greater availability of postal voting.
Yes, and the December elections all have in common they took place 96 or more years ago.
I would have thought that the practicalities of holding an election in December in those distant days were a fair more demanding that would be likely today - particularly given the ready availability of postal votes.
You mean, in those distant days when the electorate was about half the size, life expectancy was around a third lower and we didn't have universal suffrage?
The December 1918 GE must have been a challenge.
Half of men in the military, often overseas, a little local difficulty in Ireland, women over 30 voting for the first time and Spanish Flu breaking out.
Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti
Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?
Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election. If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.
In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
In the 20th century we had three December elections - 1910 - 1918 - and 1923. January elections took place in 1910 and 1906 . February elections were held in 1950 and 1974. It is far from obvious that we need delay until March - particularly given the much greater availability of postal voting.
Yes, and the December elections all have in common they took place 96 or more years ago.
I would have thought that the practicalities of holding an election in December in those distant days were a fair more demanding that would be likely today - particularly given the ready availability of postal votes.
You mean, in those distant days when the electorate was about half the size, life expectancy was around a third lower and we didn't have universal suffrage?
The December 1918 GE must have been a challenge.
Half of men in the military, often overseas, a little local difficulty in Ireland, women over 30 voting for the first time and Spanish Flu breaking out.
Well Peter did suggest something about the Black Death just below. December it is, then.
John Bercow becoming PM of a Governmemt of National Treachery to the Leave vote is certainly possibly, it would leave Boris as Leader of the Opposition and Corbyn sidelined.
How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
A VONC wouldn't trigger an election for fourteen days. That would take us into mid-December before it could take place and I really think that isn't going to happen.
Yes, sorry, I mean a vote to hold a new election carried by a 2/3 majority. That doesn't need a 14-day wait.
I see jezza is now calling for the premier league to be nationalized.
In which case watch the number of foreign players and top British players in the Premier League collapse as they go to Spain, Italy, France or the US for higher pay
I said as soon as she resigned as leader that she would have a nice holiday whilst taking the wages and then a nice cushy thinktank / public number with six figure salary. How very Tory.
I see jezza is now calling for the premier league to be nationalized.
Isn't it easy to ask what won't be nationalised?
The man is bonkers. He has called for all the billionaires to be driven out of owning clubs and for them to be stopped from running as businesses.
The EPL is the most successful league in the world, but despite that most clubs only survive because these billionaires stick so much money out of their own pockets into them.
What does he want, for us to going back to being an irrelevant league with every team only fielding players born within 10 miles of the club like back in "the good ol days"? But then he is a Brexit supporter....
It still boggles the mind that a government explciitly created to represent one side in the biggest divide in Britain for 40 years can be described as a "unity government".
It would also truly show how biased the Speaker has been, probably killing the concept of an impartial spealer for good.
How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
A VONC wouldn't trigger an election for fourteen days. That would take us into mid-December before it could take place and I really think that isn't going to happen.
That assumes that the full fourteen days would be needed to find a replacement.
Given that Swinson has vetoed Corbyn and Corbyn has vetoed everyone else, that seems to me a very safe assumption.
Also assumes 5 week campaign. Can be shortened.
Five minutes would be long enough for most of us.
Brenda says '3' would be enough.
In all seriousness, it would be a de facto 2nd ref. Since we've been deliberating Brexit for over three years, why do we need a campaign?
Good point. Let's hold it this Thursday and have done.
I said as soon as she resigned as leader that she would have a nice holiday whilst taking the wages and then a nice cushy thinktank / public number with six figure salary. How very Tory.
I guess it saves her the beamer of taking a list spot after being hoofed out of Edinburgh Central. These Unionist big beasts (sic) seem to have a nose for potential electoral humiliation.
I see jezza is now calling for the premier league to be nationalized.
Isn't it easy to ask what won't be nationalised?
The man is bonkers. He has called for all the billionaires to be driven out of owning clubs and for them to be stopped from running as businesses.
The EPL is the most successful league in the world, but despite that most clubs only survive because these billionaires stick so much money out of their own pockets into them.
What does he want, for us to going back to being an irrelevant league with every team only fielding players born within 10 miles of the club like back in "the good ol days"? But then he is a Brexit supporter....
Even fan owned clubs like in Germany would be better than nationalised ones
I see jezza is now calling for the premier league to be nationalized.
Isn't it easy to ask what won't be nationalised?
The man is bonkers. He has called for all the billionaires to be driven out of owning clubs and for them to be stopped from running as businesses.
The EPL is the most successful league in the world, but despite that most clubs only survive because these billionaires stick so much money out of their own pockets into them.
What does he want, for us to going back to being an irrelevant league with every team only fielding players born within 10 miles of the club like back in "the good ol days"? But then he is a Brexit supporter....
I was always surprised the Brexit lot didn't argue for requiring clubs to have 5 British players in the starting line up to develop more talent.
How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
A VONC wouldn't trigger an election for fourteen days. That would take us into mid-December before it could take place and I really think that isn't going to happen.
That assumes that the full fourteen days would be needed to find a replacement.
Given that Swinson has vetoed Corbyn and Corbyn has vetoed everyone else, that seems to me a very safe assumption.
Also assumes 5 week campaign. Can be shortened.
Five minutes would be long enough for most of us.
Brenda says '3' would be enough.
In all seriousness, it would be a de facto 2nd ref. Since we've been deliberating Brexit for over three years, why do we need a campaign?
Good point. Let's hold it this Thursday and have done.
Good luck printing tens of millions of ballot papers in under a week
I see jezza is now calling for the premier league to be nationalized.
Isn't it easy to ask what won't be nationalised?
The man is bonkers. He has called for all the billionaires to be driven out of owning clubs and for them to be stopped from running as businesses.
The EPL is the most successful league in the world, but despite that most clubs only survive because these billionaires stick so much money out of their own pockets into them.
What does he want, for us to going back to being an irrelevant league with every team only fielding players born within 10 miles of the club like back in "the good ol days"? But then he is a Brexit supporter....
Even fan owned clubs like in Germany would be better than nationalised ones
In all honesty, I believe that what he wants. I was joking about the nationalization.
Yes they have Bayern, yes they have managed to sign up a few good English youngsters to be developed, but the world doesn't tune into the Bundesliga in the way they do the EPL. Nobody outside of Germany gives much of a crap about most of the games and Bayern Munich have normally won the league by January.
The EPL is like Coke Cola, where ever you go, its on and people love it.
Another massive loss to what used to be the Conservative Party.
To an extent but as last week's Aberdeen council by election showed the Tory vote is still largely holding up despite Ruth's departure.
It does increase the chances of the next non SNP and Unionist First Minister being a LD rather than a Tory though given the biggest gains in recent Scottish polls have been by the Scottish Liberal Democrats
"However, Mr Zaid said the person had first-hand knowledge of allegations associated with the phone call Mr Trump made with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on 25 July."
If true, that seems extremely significant, because so far the allegations have all been via a source that admits they only heard 2nd hand all this stuff, which is obviously easier for people to claim that you didn't get the full story / pick up inaccuracies.
Not really. There was a direct transcript of the call that was damning and an explicit quid pro quo in the text messages.
I said as soon as she resigned as leader that she would have a nice holiday whilst taking the wages and then a nice cushy thinktank / public number with six figure salary. How very Tory.
Hopefully with plenty of flexible, family friendly working hours too, yes a charity or think tank role looks most likely
Another massive loss to what used to be the Conservative Party.
To an extent but as last week's Aberdeen council by election showed the Tory vote is still largely holding up despite Ruth's departure.
It does increase the chances of the next non SNP and Unionist First Minister being a LD rather than a Tory though given the biggest gains in recent Scottish polls have been by the Scottish Liberal Democrats
LOL, you are mental, you will not be living to see that unless independence comes.
Well, there will be plenty of time for the gambling adverts!
When the fun stops - Stop
It's like a little dagger in my heart every time that pops up
NFL Redzone - 7hrs of commercial free coverage.
Other sports should learn, as it is fantastic.
I can never take the NFL seriously.
First of all that padding and protection, man up, and be like rugby.
Secondly the matches take forever, I've been in relationships that haven't lasted as long as an NFL match.
The players are twice the size of rugby players and can hit you off the ball, meaning less bracing for impact. Given the life expectancy of NFL players is in the mid-50s, it is ridiculous to say it is less hard hitting.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7543255/Second-whistleblower-come-forward-Trump-Ukraine-contacts.html
It's like a little dagger in my heart every time that pops up
It is worthy of discussion that someone who was 500/1 to be next PM in August is now 33/1.
Chicago Bears 1.4
Oakland Raiders 3.45
Other sports should learn, as it is fantastic.
He didn't write, he didn't call.
I believe OGH might have had an outsider come in before - but he doesn't like to mention it.
First of all that padding and protection, man up, and be like rugby.
Secondly the matches take forever, I've been in relationships that haven't lasted as long as an NFL match.
Yeats summed it up perfectly
"The Best Lack All Conviction While the Worst Are Full of Passionate Intensity"
Also, the beauty of redzone is constant action. As soon as the play stops, they switch to another game.
I wouldn't watch NFL live every week, but I go most years to one of the NFL games in London and the speed and power is something to behold and some of the hits are just earth shattering.
They are just far bigger and faster than rugby players...probably because the drug testing policy isn't exactly Olympic standard.
To be a running back in the NFL you must be absolutely brain dead. What we want you to do is run full tilt and try and squeeze through a tiny gap between a set of 350 pound 6ft 6+ guys and if they don't manage to get you, some other guy will more than likely clatter you with his helmet into your knees just as you get through the hole. And then rinse and repeat 20-30 times a game.
It is a GRU ("Government of Remainer Unity")
😂 Very good!
Trump impeachment: Second whistleblower emerges
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49953225
Does OT mean Off Topic or On Topic?
If true, that seems extremely significant, because so far the allegations have all been via a source that admits they only heard 2nd hand all this stuff, which is obviously easier for people to claim that you didn't get the full story / pick up inaccuracies.
In any event, Pence is quite deeply implicated. If Trump were to go down, Pence might conceivably go down too.
Along those lines, I still have hopes of my 1000/1 on Romney fructifiying as the impeachment story develops. He’s one of the few Republicans of any seniority not adopting the ‘nothing to see here’ pose.
Sadly I reckon that style of politics is also catching on here.
As for Pence...
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/mike-pences-role-ukraine-scandal-disgraceful/599449/
Who will scrabble fast enough to respond to facing Pence-Hailey?
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/02/opinion/long-live-the-queens-and-kings.html
Appears it was the Royalist party rather than an official invitation...
Sounds just the ticket for Jezza.
Half of men in the military, often overseas, a little local difficulty in Ireland, women over 30 voting for the first time and Spanish Flu breaking out.
Who the next Speaker is would also be important
As the current holder of the longest tip, at 250/1, all I can say is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Ba_xCg96E
However she does not rule out leading a future 'Better Together' campaign in any indyref2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49952958
The EPL is the most successful league in the world, but despite that most clubs only survive because these billionaires stick so much money out of their own pockets into them.
What does he want, for us to going back to being an irrelevant league with every team only fielding players born within 10 miles of the club like back in "the good ol days"? But then he is a Brexit supporter....
It would also truly show how biased the Speaker has been, probably killing the concept of an impartial spealer for good.
Yes they have Bayern, yes they have managed to sign up a few good English youngsters to be developed, but the world doesn't tune into the Bundesliga in the way they do the EPL. Nobody outside of Germany gives much of a crap about most of the games and Bayern Munich have normally won the league by January.
The EPL is like Coke Cola, where ever you go, its on and people love it.
It does increase the chances of the next non SNP and Unionist First Minister being a LD rather than a Tory though given the biggest gains in recent Scottish polls have been by the Scottish Liberal Democrats
Corbyn's ratings are beyond dire.
It's over.