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The Commons Speaker has emerged as the new favourite in the race to take over from Boris Johnson if there is a vote of no confidence https://t.co/GmJh5ergIV

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kinabalu

Quite a thought.

TheScreamingEagles

#LegendaryModesty

Sunil_Prasannan

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Charles said:

They were even willing to crown Prince Edward as their King..,

Citation needed?

I found http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f164/royals-asked-or-who-became-monarchs-of-another-country-29576-3.html
Appears to be a British site; adverts in £'s.

A forum post saying "I read in a book" isn't a reliable source is it?

No mention in either the "Edward, Earl of Wessex" of "Estonia" articles in Wiki.

edmundintokyo

I think the winner wants to avoid being spoken about until after Corbyn has been voted down.

Even if there aren't the votes there, Corbyn might still get in either by being named by Boris Johnson as he resigns or just by virtue of being LOTO. If he can get in the door he doesn't need to win a subsequent vote of confidence, he can just hang on doing photo opportunities with Larry the Cat until election day. Since the possibility of getting through without a parliamentary vote is there, but may disappear if there's a rival who clearly has the numbers, Corbyn will need to shoot down the name of anyone else who is suggested, until such time as the route *hasn't* been taken, and there's been a parliamentary vote that he's lost. So until that's happened, nobody mention Sylvia Hermon.

eristdoof

Bercow would lead a “cabinet of all the talents”

Irrespective of what people actually think of the quality of this cabinet, calling it the "cabinet of all the talents" is just asking for it.

Richard_Tyndall

eristdoof said:

Bercow would lead a “cabinet of all the talents”

Irrespective of what people actually think of the quality of this cabinet, calling it the "cabinet of all the talents" is just asking for it.

A Cabinet of all the Losers.

OldKingCole

Sunil_Prasannan said:

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Charles said:

They were even willing to crown Prince Edward as their King..,

Citation needed?

I found http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f164/royals-asked-or-who-became-monarchs-of-another-country-29576-3.html
Appears to be a British site; adverts in £'s.

A forum post saying "I read in a book" isn't a reliable source is it?

No mention in either the "Edward, Earl of Wessex" of "Estonia" articles in Wiki.

Agree, not a good source, but Wikipedia and similar tend to be airbrushed when it comes to possibly questionable royal activities. There's also a reference to an Orlando newspaper, but it's only available in US.

American Political Science Journal appaears to have a reference, but one has to register to read it.

DecrepitJohnL

500/1 is the right price imo. It's Corbyn or bust for the Remainiacs and if they don't stop clutching their pearls and start holding their noses to support a few weeks of purdah-bound, Corbyn-led, minority Labour government, we shall have crashed out of the EU before they can say trick or treat.

solarflare

I suppose it'd be hilarious if Bercow did simultaneously manage to resign the Speaker's position when he said he would but only by becoming temporary PM instead. I think there'd be some fairly apoplectic speeches in the Commons.

But we're still in that place where Brexit has been for a while that all the possible options sound hilariously implausible and yet one of them must be the truth.

On Vince, I'm not sure why people would particularly be "eyeing up" roles unless the plan was genuinely to try and make the GONU last any length of time.

Sunil_Prasannan

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Charles said:

They were even willing to crown Prince Edward as their King..,

Citation needed?

I found http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f164/royals-asked-or-who-became-monarchs-of-another-country-29576-3.html
Appears to be a British site; adverts in £'s.

A forum post saying "I read in a book" isn't a reliable source is it?

No mention in either the "Edward, Earl of Wessex" of "Estonia" articles in Wiki.

Agree, not a good source, but Wikipedia and similar tend to be airbrushed when it comes to possibly questionable royal activities. There's also a reference to an Orlando newspaper, but it's only available in US.

Can't think of a place called Orlando in Estonia!

Sunil_Prasannan

eristdoof said:

Bercow would lead a “cabinet of all the talents”

Irrespective of what people actually think of the quality of this cabinet, calling it the "cabinet of all the talents" is just asking for it.

Would be cheaper to go to IKEA

Richard_Tyndall

RIP Ginger Baker.

OldKingCole

Sunil_Prasannan said:

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Charles said:

They were even willing to crown Prince Edward as their King..,

Citation needed?

I found http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f164/royals-asked-or-who-became-monarchs-of-another-country-29576-3.html
Appears to be a British site; adverts in £'s.

A forum post saying "I read in a book" isn't a reliable source is it?

No mention in either the "Edward, Earl of Wessex" of "Estonia" articles in Wiki.

Agree, not a good source, but Wikipedia and similar tend to be airbrushed when it comes to possibly questionable royal activities. There's also a reference to an Orlando newspaper, but it's only available in US.

Can't think of a place called Orlando in Estonia!

See what you mean, although I did reference the US. Should I add the 'of A' to make it clearer?

malcolmg

Richard_Tyndall said:

eristdoof said:

Bercow would lead a “cabinet of all the talents”

Irrespective of what people actually think of the quality of this cabinet, calling it the "cabinet of all the talents" is just asking for it.

A Cabinet of all the Losers.

That is more like it , would take another 3 years searching to find any talent for a cabinet at Westminster

Norm

Anne a Times reader currently has 171 recommends for making this comment about the notion of Bercow as PM of a GNU (which is a fair few by the standard of the Times comments pages) "The contempt these people have for the electorate knows no bounds. As for the little squirt, it appears he's desperate to remain relevant".

Much as I would be happy for someone to receive a 500/1 payout the near civil war that would follow his appointment is probably not worth it.

malcolmg

solarflare said:

I suppose it'd be hilarious if Bercow did simultaneously manage to resign the Speaker's position when he said he would but only by becoming temporary PM instead. I think there'd be some fairly apoplectic speeches in the Commons.

But we're still in that place where Brexit has been for a while that all the possible options sound hilariously implausible and yet one of them must be the truth.

On Vince, I'm not sure why people would particularly be "eyeing up" roles unless the plan was genuinely to try and make the GONU last any length of time.

People must be having a joke, more like GONADS than GONU

OldKingCole

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Charles said:

They were even willing to crown Prince Edward as their King..,

Citation needed?

I found http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f164/royals-asked-or-who-became-monarchs-of-another-country-29576-3.html
Appears to be a British site; adverts in £'s.

A forum post saying "I read in a book" isn't a reliable source is it?

No mention in either the "Edward, Earl of Wessex" of "Estonia" articles in Wiki.

Agree, not a good source, but Wikipedia and similar tend to be airbrushed when it comes to possibly questionable royal activities. There's also a reference to an Orlando newspaper, but it's only available in US.

Can't think of a place called Orlando in Estonia!

See what you mean, although I did reference the US. Should I add the 'of A' to make it clearer?

Found another reference. Don't want to start anything too taxing before lunch.

It's Deseret News Jul 11, 1994. It's a Utah paper.

Nigelb

Richard_Tyndall said:

RIP Ginger Baker.

Indeed.
A decent obit here:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/oct/06/ginger-baker-a-master-and-monster-who-split-rock-music-apart

TheScreamingEagles

Norm said:

Anne a Times reader currently has 171 recommends for making this comment about the notion of Bercow as PM of a GNU (which is a fair few by the standard of the Times comments pages) "The contempt these people have for the electorate knows no bounds. As for the little squirt, it appears he's desperate to remain relevant".

Much as I would be happy for someone to receive a 500/1 payout the near civil war that would follow his appointment is probably not worth it.

Forget the near civil war, I'd be unbearably smug on a whole new level, that'd be much much worse

kinabalu

Norm said:

Anne a Times reader currently has 171 recommends for making this comment about the notion of Bercow as PM of a GNU (which is a fair few by the standard of the Times comments pages) "The contempt these people have for the electorate knows no bounds. As for the little squirt, it appears he's desperate to remain relevant".

Much as I would be happy for someone to receive a 500/1 payout the near civil war that would follow his appointment is probably not worth it.

At least he would bring some much needed ORDER to things. It's chaotic atm.

Sunil_Prasannan

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

OldKingCole said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Charles said:

They were even willing to crown Prince Edward as their King..,

Citation needed?

I found http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f164/royals-asked-or-who-became-monarchs-of-another-country-29576-3.html
Appears to be a British site; adverts in £'s.

A forum post saying "I read in a book" isn't a reliable source is it?

No mention in either the "Edward, Earl of Wessex" of "Estonia" articles in Wiki.

Agree, not a good source, but Wikipedia and similar tend to be airbrushed when it comes to possibly questionable royal activities. There's also a reference to an Orlando newspaper, but it's only available in US.

Can't think of a place called Orlando in Estonia!

See what you mean, although I did reference the US. Should I add the 'of A' to make it clearer?

But we're talking about the "hypothetical" Estonian Monarchy, not that of the USA!

Artist

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

ydoethur

eristdoof said:

Bercow would lead a “cabinet of all the talents”

Irrespective of what people actually think of the quality of this cabinet, calling it the "cabinet of all the talents" is just asking for it.

All the talents? Not a single MP?

williamglenn

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1180769671265574912

Sunil_Prasannan

malcolmg said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eristdoof said:

Bercow would lead a “cabinet of all the talents”

Irrespective of what people actually think of the quality of this cabinet, calling it the "cabinet of all the talents" is just asking for it.

A Cabinet of all the Losers.

That is more like it , would take another 3 years searching to find any talent for a cabinet at Westminster

IKEA?

ydoethur

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1180769671265574912

Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

noneoftheabove

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

Why should the opposition follow the minority governments supporters wishes? Once the govt has deliberately divided the country into them and us, surely it is the oppositions job to follow the wishes of the opponents of the government?

bigjohnowls

---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

Speaking of which


2019-07-07 23:00
to
2019-10-06 12:22

No idea where Profit went!!


American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

Yorkcity

bigjohnowls said:

---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

Speaking of which


2019-07-07 23:00
to
2019-10-06 12:22

No idea where Profit went!!


American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

Glad you are .

OnlyLivingBoy

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1180769671265574912

That is very good. Off topic, my son's school did the Pirates of Penzance - he played the Pirate King. I'm not a massive fan of Gilbert and Sullivan but seeing a load of Year 4s doing it was hilarious.

bigjohnowls

Yorkcity said:

bigjohnowls said:

---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

Speaking of which


2019-07-07 23:00
to
2019-10-06 12:22

No idea where Profit went!!


American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

Glad you are .

8 bottles of Magners at the side of my armchair this morning ffs

Yorkcity

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/only-one-route-out-of-brexit-maze-jeremy-corbyn-must-lead-way

Will Hutton must be worried.

bigjohnowls

Yorkcity said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/only-one-route-out-of-brexit-maze-jeremy-corbyn-must-lead-way

Will Hutton must be worried.

Blimey

IanB2

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

The opposition parties just might be thinking that Bercow taking the rap for whatever drastic measures are needed to extricate the country from Bozo’s mess might not be such a bad thing?

Theuniondivvie

Even with Ruth's customary reverse ferreting, that's quite a definitive statement.

https://twitter.com/HeartScotNews/status/1180807515229085696?s=20

Sunil_Prasannan

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

GNU? More of a Wildebeest man, myself

Nigelb

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?

FrancisUrquhart

Yorkcity said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/only-one-route-out-of-brexit-maze-jeremy-corbyn-must-lead-way

Will Hutton must be worried.

"Don’t be fooled by his surface decency – he has unleashed the divisive red guard outriders in Momentum on some of the best in the Labour party. And Andrew Fisher, his policy director, when resigning wrote about the “blizzard of lies and excuses” and lack of “human decency” at the top. Corbyn’s radical socialism is so beyond even normal radical leftism that he constitutes a public menace, reflected in personal poll ratings of minus 60."

And yet he wants to put his trust in him.

Nigelb

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1180769671265574912

Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

Outside of Linnaean taxonomy, I suspect.

Nigelb

bigjohnowls said:

Yorkcity said:

bigjohnowls said:

---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

Speaking of which


2019-07-07 23:00
to
2019-10-06 12:22

No idea where Profit went!!


American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

Glad you are .

8 bottles of Magners at the side of my armchair this morning ffs

Full or empty ?

OldKingCole

bigjohnowls said:

Yorkcity said:

bigjohnowls said:

---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

Speaking of which


2019-07-07 23:00
to
2019-10-06 12:22

No idea where Profit went!!


American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

Glad you are .

8 bottles of Magners at the side of my armchair this morning ffs

Alternative questions:
Full or empty?
Or
Been watching the Rugby?

ydoethur

Yorkcity said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/only-one-route-out-of-brexit-maze-jeremy-corbyn-must-lead-way

Will Hutton must be worried.

That's the kiss of death for Jeremy Corbyn given Hutton's record.

So good news...

MarqueeMark

Nigelb said:

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?

Ask the voters......

Sunil_Prasannan

MarqueeMark said:

Nigelb said:

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?

Ask the voters......

Second referendum?

viewcode

Nigelb said:

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?

You don't understand Leaver logic

1) Boris Johnson, elected as leader of Conservative Party by Conservative Party activists: entirely democratic Prime Minister, what is all the fuss.
2) John Bercow, elected as PM by a majority of MPs: coup! Hang the traitor!

To put it simply: when a Leaver does it, it's not treason. For example, if Jacob Rees-Mogg stands to make a personal profit of about £15M from Brexit by selling his fund management company then that is perfectly fine, and not even slightly a conflict of interest, oh dear me no.

eristdoof

Nigelb said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1180769671265574912

Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

Outside of Linnaean taxonomy, I suspect.

So a fungus or bacterium then!

ydoethur

MarqueeMark said:

Nigelb said:

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?

Ask the voters......

When was the last time we had two changes of PM between elections in peacetime (as the 1935-45 parliament with two, technically three changes was under very unusual circumstances)?

I've got a feeling it was 1902 and 1905, between the elections of 1900 and 1906.

Yorkcity

ydoethur said:

Yorkcity said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/only-one-route-out-of-brexit-maze-jeremy-corbyn-must-lead-way

Will Hutton must be worried.

That's the kiss of death for Jeremy Corbyn given Hutton's record.

So good news...

I read his book , The State we're in , back in 1995.
Which seemed influential in the new Labour era.

How did you rate it ?

Nigelb

MarqueeMark said:

Nigelb said:

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?

Ask the voters......

Well. you’re one. Perhaps you would like to answer the question ?

Norm

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1180794818949271552

This could be interesting.

ydoethur

Yorkcity said:

ydoethur said:

Yorkcity said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/only-one-route-out-of-brexit-maze-jeremy-corbyn-must-lead-way

Will Hutton must be worried.

That's the kiss of death for Jeremy Corbyn given Hutton's record.

So good news...

I read his book , The State we're in , back in 1995.
Which seemed influential in the new Labour era.

How did you rate it ?

I don't think I ever have read that one. I read his book on China, which was a fair amount of nonsense that showed he hadn't done much reading even of the basic texts on the subject. It's more his bizarre pronouncements on economic events that get to me. I remember years ago he wrote an article saying the collapse of RBS showed how we were fools not to join the Euro, when everyone with a brain was saying the polar opposite.

That said, he is of course not as bad as Anatole Kaletsky.

Nigelb

eristdoof said:

Nigelb said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1180769671265574912

Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

Outside of Linnaean taxonomy, I suspect.

So a fungus or bacterium then!

Archaea might be more appropriate.

Luckyguy1983

viewcode said:

Nigelb said:

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?

You don't understand Leaver logic

1) Boris Johnson, elected as leader of Conservative Party by Conservative Party activists: entirely democratic Prime Minister, what is all the fuss.
2) John Bercow, elected as PM by a majority of MPs: coup! Hang the traitor!

To put it simply: when a Leaver does it, it's not treason. For example, if Jacob Rees-Mogg stands to make a personal profit of about £15M from Brexit by selling his fund management company then that is perfectly fine, and not even slightly a conflict of interest, oh dear me no.

On the contrary, I've heard a great deal of foam flecked rhetoric about 'hedge fund managers' and wrecking Tories who stand to gain from Brexit, but next to nothing about those who would stand to gain (or lose) literal fortunes from the nexus of EU patronage and influence, from those who can see their dreams of comfortable sinecures disintegrating, and are therefore fighting like dogs to stay in.

eristdoof

malcolmg said:

solarflare said:

I suppose it'd be hilarious if Bercow did simultaneously manage to resign the Speaker's position when he said he would but only by becoming temporary PM instead. I think there'd be some fairly apoplectic speeches in the Commons.

But we're still in that place where Brexit has been for a while that all the possible options sound hilariously implausible and yet one of them must be the truth.

On Vince, I'm not sure why people would particularly be "eyeing up" roles unless the plan was genuinely to try and make the GONU last any length of time.

People must be having a joke, more like GONADS than GONU

We had that joke two weeks ago, .... and four weeks ago, and ...

FrancisUrquhart

Norm said:

twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1180794818949271552

This could be interesting.

Wonder how much they paid her?

Nigelb

Luckyguy1983 said:

viewcode said:

Nigelb said:

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?

You don't understand Leaver logic

1) Boris Johnson, elected as leader of Conservative Party by Conservative Party activists: entirely democratic Prime Minister, what is all the fuss.
2) John Bercow, elected as PM by a majority of MPs: coup! Hang the traitor!

To put it simply: when a Leaver does it, it's not treason. For example, if Jacob Rees-Mogg stands to make a personal profit of about £15M from Brexit by selling his fund management company then that is perfectly fine, and not even slightly a conflict of interest, oh dear me no.

On the contrary, I've heard a great deal of foam flecked rhetoric about 'hedge fund managers' and wrecking Tories who stand to gain from Brexit, but next to nothing about those who would stand to gain (or lose) literal fortunes from the nexus of EU patronage and influence, from those who can see their dreams of comfortable sinecures disintegrating, and are therefore fighting like dogs to stay in.

And yet are the most enthusiastic - the Lib Dems - overrepresented in such positions ?

FrancisUrquhart

Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

Nigelb

Nigelb said:

eristdoof said:

Nigelb said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1180769671265574912

Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

Outside of Linnaean taxonomy, I suspect.

So a fungus or bacterium then!

Archaea might be more appropriate.

Speaking of which...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/boris-johnson-classics-prime-minister-latin-greek

ydoethur

FrancisUrquhart said:

Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.

The_Taxman

BJ. Being replaced by JB! Interesting shuffle of letters.

Yorkcity

ydoethur said:

Yorkcity said:

ydoethur said:

Yorkcity said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/only-one-route-out-of-brexit-maze-jeremy-corbyn-must-lead-way

Will Hutton must be worried.

That's the kiss of death for Jeremy Corbyn given Hutton's record.

So good news...

I read his book , The State we're in , back in 1995.
Which seemed influential in the new Labour era.

How did you rate it ?

I don't think I ever have read that one. I read his book on China, which was a fair amount of nonsense that showed he hadn't done much reading even of the basic texts on the subject. It's more his bizarre pronouncements on economic events that get to me. I remember years ago he wrote an article saying the collapse of RBS showed how we were fools not to join the Euro, when everyone with a brain was saying the polar opposite.

That said, he is of course not as bad as Anatole Kaletsky.

Yes , I remember his position on the Euro, which as you say seemed extreme under the circumstances.
Luckily Brown for whatever reason prevented Blair from taking the UK into the Euro.

viewcode

Luckyguy1983 said:

viewcode said:

Nigelb said:

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?

You don't understand Leaver logic

1) Boris Johnson, elected as leader of Conservative Party by Conservative Party activists: entirely democratic Prime Minister, what is all the fuss.
2) John Bercow, elected as PM by a majority of MPs: coup! Hang the traitor!

To put it simply: when a Leaver does it, it's not treason. For example, if Jacob Rees-Mogg stands to make a personal profit of about £15M from Brexit by selling his fund management company then that is perfectly fine, and not even slightly a conflict of interest, oh dear me no.

On the contrary, I've heard a great deal of foam flecked rhetoric about 'hedge fund managers' and wrecking Tories who stand to gain from Brexit, but next to nothing about those who would stand to gain (or lose) literal fortunes from the nexus of EU patronage and influence, from those who can see their dreams of comfortable sinecures disintegrating, and are therefore fighting like dogs to stay in.

Fair point, and Jacob Rees-Mogg, private citizen, is perfectly entitled to make as much money as he can from Brexit, and good luck to him. It's the fact that he has influence at Government level via his attendance in Cabinet (tho not a Cabinet member), that is the bit where the conflict comes into play.

In the interests of balance, please feel free to point out the anti-Brexit influencers in the various Shadow and former Cabinets, of which I am sure there is at least one.

The_Taxman

Norm said:

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1180794818949271552

This could be interesting.

If BJ is not bonking her anymore, asumming he was in the past. What has she to lose? Especially, if they are no longer on good terms!

The_Taxman

viewcode said:

Nigelb said:

Artist said:

If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?

You don't understand Leaver logic

1) Boris Johnson, elected as leader of Conservative Party by Conservative Party activists: entirely democratic Prime Minister, what is all the fuss.
2) John Bercow, elected as PM by a majority of MPs: coup! Hang the traitor!

To put it simply: when a Leaver does it, it's not treason. For example, if Jacob Rees-Mogg stands to make a personal profit of about £15M from Brexit by selling his fund management company then that is perfectly fine, and not even slightly a conflict of interest, oh dear me no.

I dont know why LD/ Labour or SNP dont make more of JRM standing to make more out of Brexit?

TheValiant

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.

Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1180822751369682949

FrancisUrquhart

Nigelb said:

Nigelb said:

eristdoof said:

Nigelb said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1180769671265574912

Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

Outside of Linnaean taxonomy, I suspect.

So a fungus or bacterium then!

Archaea might be more appropriate.

Speaking of which...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/boris-johnson-classics-prime-minister-latin-greek

I notice she makes a dig about Boris being at Eton, while she has tried to claim in the past she went to a not very good former grammar school that wasn't posh at all....except it was the best private school in Stoke area, is of course selective and is where all the upper middle class kids go.

If you ask people in Stoke what that school is, they will tell you its where all the poshos go.

FrancisUrquhart

TheScreamingEagles said:

twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1180822751369682949

I see a business opportunity. While travelling in Latin America a number of years ago, I was told about "Push Button" Hotels, that exist off many main roads.

NickPalmer

TheValiant said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.

Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.

No breweries involved here. Tory and Labour sources are both telling me to expect Nov 28 or Dec 5. The campaign period is 5 weeks, not 6, so that fits a decision after the EU summit on Oct 24 or (ahem) Oct 31.

ydoethur

FrancisUrquhart said:

Nigelb said:

Nigelb said:

eristdoof said:

Nigelb said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1180769671265574912

Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

Outside of Linnaean taxonomy, I suspect.

So a fungus or bacterium then!

Archaea might be more appropriate.

Speaking of which...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/boris-johnson-classics-prime-minister-latin-greek

I notice she makes a dig about Boris being at Eton, while she has tried to claim in the past she went to a not very good former grammar school that wasn't posh at all....except it was the best private school in Stoke area, is of course selective and is where all the upper middle class kids go.

If you ask people in Stoke what that school is, they will tell you its where all the poshos go.

Which school was that? Newcastle under Lyme?

FrancisUrquhart

Question - Why are the Hong Kong protesters targeting Metro stations? Meaning they then have to walk miles home.

AlastairMeeks

Hillary Clinton is currently third favourite for the Democratic nomination.

EDIT: on Betfair.

Danny565

NickPalmer said:

TheValiant said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.

Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.

No breweries involved here. Tory and Labour sources are both telling me to expect Nov 28 or Dec 5. The campaign period is 5 weeks, not 6, so that fits a decision after the EU summit on Oct 24 or (ahem) Oct 31.

I really hope this isn't Labour's plan (and of course, even if it is the Labour leadership's plan, Labour rebels alone could potentially come close to making up the third of the Commons that is required to veto an election motion under the FTPA).

There is no way of Labour prospering in an election with Brexit still up in the air. Johnson would run rampant in the Labour Leave constituencies (despite all the misleading bollocks about "230% of Labour supporters in every constituency want to Remain").

Gallowgate

Is this a parody?

https://twitter.com/colincorbynista/status/1180765093551919104?s=21

FrancisUrquhart

Gallowgate said:

Is this a parody?

https://twitter.com/colincorbynista/status/1180765093551919104?s=21

Given we are getting nationalized zipcar, I think nationalized Pret sounds perfectly possible idea from the Maomentumers brain trust.

viewcode

Gallowgate said:

Is this a parody?

https://twitter.com/colincorbynista/status/1180765093551919104?s=21

No. The world is full of people on the top row of Jenga kicking out the bottom row because they think it won't affect them.

Sandpit

AlastairMeeks said:

Hillary Clinton is currently third favourite for the Democratic nomination.

EDIT: on Betfair.

LOL! Laying that is free money surely, or are the Dems going to collectively shoot themselves in the foot again?

ydoethur

FrancisUrquhart said:

Gallowgate said:

Is this a parody?

https://twitter.com/colincorbynista/status/1180765093551919104?s=21

Given we are getting nationalized zipcar, I think nationalized Pret sounds perfectly possible idea from the Maomentumers brain trust.

They wish to have their cake, then eat it?

Norm

Danny565 said:

NickPalmer said:

TheValiant said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.

Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.

No breweries involved here. Tory and Labour sources are both telling me to expect Nov 28 or Dec 5. The campaign period is 5 weeks, not 6, so that fits a decision after the EU summit on Oct 24 or (ahem) Oct 31.

I really hope this isn't Labour's plan (and of course, even if it is the Labour leadership's plan, Labour rebels alone could potentially come close to making up the third of the Commons that is required to veto an election motion under the FTPA).

There is no way of Labour prospering in an election with Brexit still up in the air. Johnson would run rampant in the Labour Leave constituencies (despite all the misleading bollocks about "230% of Labour supporters in every constituency want to Remain").

One option Labour won't take but should is to agree the Boris deal with a teak or two which the EU would find difficult to resist if it has Commons backing and then continue to hold him prisoner by refusing to vote for an election. By May 2020 or whenever the reality of long term ongoing negotiations over the second stage kick in their poll ratings could well be recovering especially with the Lib Dems revoke meme no longer relevant as we would have already exited. At the same time TBP or its successor would be on the the Tories case over accepting the deal rather than clean Brexit.

JBriskinindyref2

bigjohnowls said:

---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

Speaking of which


2019-07-07 23:00
to
2019-10-06 12:22

No idea where Profit went!!


American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

Issa made a loss again

Football: -£89.77 | Motor Sport: -£33.00 Total P&L: -£122.77

With a capital limit of 5.5K I'm sure there must be some sort of moral hazard going on (Coffey please don't look into this unless you're upping the capital limits for benefits street)

Pulpstar

Sandpit said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Hillary Clinton is currently third favourite for the Democratic nomination.

EDIT: on Betfair.

LOL! Laying that is free money surely, or are the Dems going to collectively shoot themselves in the foot again?

Given they have two old party grandees lined up I very much doubt she'll run. If Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang were leading with Sanders third she might think about it.
But Warren/Biden ? No.

JBriskinindyref2

JBriskinindyref2 said:

bigjohnowls said:

---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

Speaking of which


2019-07-07 23:00
to
2019-10-06 12:22

No idea where Profit went!!


American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

Issa made a loss again

Football: -£89.77 | Motor Sport: -£33.00 Total P&L: -£122.77

With a capital limit of 5.5K I'm sure there must be some sort of moral hazard going on (Coffey please don't look into this unless you're upping the capital limits for benefits street)

Actually my 2019-07-07 to 2019-10-06 is a lot better.


Cricket: -£12.58 | Football: -£21.78 | Motor Sport: £55.01 | Politics: -£42.98 Total P&L: -£22.33

Chris

NickPalmer said:

TheValiant said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.

Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.

No breweries involved here. Tory and Labour sources are both telling me to expect Nov 28 or Dec 5. The campaign period is 5 weeks, not 6, so that fits a decision after the EU summit on Oct 24 or (ahem) Oct 31.

How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?

ydoethur

Chris said:

NickPalmer said:

TheValiant said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.

Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.

No breweries involved here. Tory and Labour sources are both telling me to expect Nov 28 or Dec 5. The campaign period is 5 weeks, not 6, so that fits a decision after the EU summit on Oct 24 or (ahem) Oct 31.

How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?

Hint: it wouldn't.

I'm still thinking breweries.

Chris

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

NickPalmer said:

TheValiant said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.

Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.

No breweries involved here. Tory and Labour sources are both telling me to expect Nov 28 or Dec 5. The campaign period is 5 weeks, not 6, so that fits a decision after the EU summit on Oct 24 or (ahem) Oct 31.

How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?

Hint: it wouldn't.

I'm still thinking breweries.

I'm just trying to work out whether Nick is hinting that some kind of deal has been done - an extension in return for an election?

Otherwise I don't see how it could happen.

FrancisUrquhart

Second whistleblower comes forward in the impeachment inquiry into US President Donald Trump, lawyers tell US media

JBriskinindyref2

https://twitter.com/DCMS/status/1180778053565403136?s=20

Live on Sky One at 6pm

kinabalu

FrancisUrquhart said:

Second whistleblower comes forward in the impeachment inquiry into US President Donald Trump, lawyers tell US media

Good. The more the merrier.

Pulpstar

Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me

kinabalu

Can be quite caustic these older women sometimes ...

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1180797220473454592

Alistair

This is what scrambling looks like

https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1180660021421625353?s=19

Alistair

Pulpstar said:

Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me

I think this is a bad take.

Trump is just criming it up all over the place. Documented crimes keep falling out of his pocket in real time.

People state Republican Senators are going to have the ultimate attack ad played against them 24/7 once they vote to clear Trump.

ydoethur

Alistair said:

This is what scrambling looks like

https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1180660021421625353?s=19

Mr Speaker, we should give up if necessary not just a part, but even the whole of our constitution to preserve the remainder!

(With apologies to Sir Boyle Roche.)

OldKingCole

kinabalu said:

Can be quite caustic these older women sometimes ...

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1180797220473454592

I wonder if she's got any relations in Bristol?

Danny565

Pulpstar said:

Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me

If it culminates in another 9% lead for the Democrats in the next election, then that sounds OK to me.

glw

Alistair said:

Pulpstar said:

Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me

I think this is a bad take.

Trump is just criming it up all over the place. Documented crimes keep falling out of his pocket in real time.

People state Republican Senators are going to have the ultimate attack ad played against them 24/7 once they vote to clear Trump.

Exactly. How many of the GOP weasels are going to die in a ditch to protect a man that most of them probably hate?

kinabalu

OldKingCole said:

I wonder if she's got any relations in Bristol?

That's what it brought to mind - 'Brenda' or 'Mrs Duffy'.

FrancisUrquhart

kinabalu said:

Can be quite caustic these older women sometimes ...

twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1180797220473454592

I'll put her down as a maybe....

NickPalmer

Chris said:

How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?

Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.

Floater

Do me a favour - nice trolling though!!