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With the coming general election looking set to be a battle between parties that back Leave and and those that back Remain this YouGov polling on perceptions of the Brexit stance of each party looks be a good pointer.

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chloe

First?

Benpointer

chloe said:

First?

You certainly are!

Gallowgate

3rd rate like the government.

DougSeal

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

Gallowgate

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

Banter merchants

ydoethur

Gallowgate said:

3rd rate like the government.

Sixth rate, much more like the government.

dyedwoolie

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

The retake Calais, war boosters

ydoethur

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

The control. Like the 2% of Americans who think they have been decapitated.

Although Farage is opposed in practice to leaving in any way that we actually can.

chloe

Nothing from Labour in my constituency for months, despite coming within about 3000 votes in 2017.

nichomar

dyedwoolie said:

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

The retake Calais, war boosters

No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin

ydoethur

nichomar said:

dyedwoolie said:

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

The retake Calais, war boosters

No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin

We take Manhattan is Bailey credible as a strategy.

dyedwoolie

nichomar said:

dyedwoolie said:

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

The retake Calais, war boosters

No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin

Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow

justin124

FPT
I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

dyedwoolie

justin124 said:

FPT
I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

The deal will come back the same time the QS vote occurs

philiph

justin124 said:

FPT
I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.

nichomar

dyedwoolie said:

nichomar said:

dyedwoolie said:

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

The retake Calais, war boosters

No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin

Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow

I actually found Cohen too depressive first time round but the last album he released with the female vocalist made the music much less suicidal. Shame he had his hallelujah rights donned from him

Noo

I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

OblitusSumMe

dyedwoolie said:

nichomar said:

dyedwoolie said:

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

The retake Calais, war boosters

No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin

Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow

I prefer the Second British Empire to the first. Since the awfulness of British PMs has been so often compared to Eden recently, they may as well retake Suez as a prelude to liberating Hong Kong and bringing peace to the Indian subcontinent by uniting them under the yoke of British oppression our benevolent rule. We could take Réunion again for old times sake.

bigjohnowls

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

ydoethur

OblitusSumMe said:

dyedwoolie said:

nichomar said:

dyedwoolie said:

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

The retake Calais, war boosters

No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin

Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow

I prefer the Second British Empire to the first. Since the awfulness of British PMs has been so often compared to Eden recently, they may as well retake Suez as a prelude to liberating Hong Kong and bringing peace to the Indian subcontinent by uniting them under the yoke of British oppression our benevolent rule. We could take Réunion again for old times sake.

Are you suggesting as a nation we should commit Suezide?

dyedwoolie

OblitusSumMe said:

dyedwoolie said:

nichomar said:

dyedwoolie said:

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

The retake Calais, war boosters

No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin

Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow

I prefer the Second British Empire to the first. Since the awfulness of British PMs has been so often compared to Eden recently, they may as well retake Suez as a prelude to liberating Hong Kong and bringing peace to the Indian subcontinent by uniting them under the yoke of British oppression our benevolent rule. We could take Réunion again for old times sake.

We could just say China are In breach of the HK accord and, as such, the death of the British Empire on June 30 1997 was premature

TOPPING

Noo said:

I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

Cons have laid a lot of free spending groundwork that said.

nichomar

bigjohnowls said:

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.

OblitusSumMe

Noo said:

I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

"Neither" is what the leadership are aiming for. I'm not sure whether "don't know" is equivalent.

I presume that the 12% who think the Tories are anti-Brexit is the current floor for the combined vote share for the Brexit Party and UKIP.

anothernick

Noo said:

I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.

Gallowgate

anothernick said:

Noo said:

I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.

I don’t think rubbing it in that we haven’t left the EU yet would be a good political strategy for Labour or the Lib Dems. A positive message about European values and the rule of law will be much more productive I feel.

TOPPING

bigjohnowls said:

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

Jo Swinson an island of sanity amongst the opposition loons.

NorthofStoke

We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the LD leadership is as far away from the current Labour leadership as it is from the Tories. In fact it is further.

Corbyn/McDonell and Momentum are the most ideologically extreme leadership of any party that has stood in the UK with the prospect of actually getting MPs. They have been normalised a bit by being in charge for a few years but the reality of the choice facing us at the next election is very grim with the LDs as the least bad alternative. To gain a big block in parliament it is essential that Swinson attacks both main parties pretty equally in my opinion.

Andy_JS

TOPPING said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

Jo Swinson an island of sanity amongst the opposition loons.

+1

nichomar

anothernick said:

Noo said:

I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.

That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election

justin124

philiph said:

justin124 said:

FPT
I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.

October 14th followed by several days of debate.

Casino_Royale

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

Me.

Danny565

nichomar said:

anothernick said:

Noo said:

I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.

That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election

Not correct. Even if they don't manage to unite around an alternative PM, as a last resort they can (hilariously) vote that they have confidence in Boris's government after all -- as long as it comes within 14 days of the no-confidence vote, that aborts the election.

Foxy

justin124 said:

philiph said:

justin124 said:

FPT
I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.

October 14th followed by several days of debate.

There needs to be a prorogation surely for that. How much notice is needed?

Casino_Royale

TOPPING said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

Jo Swinson an island of sanity amongst the opposition loons.

It's very clear which pond she's now fishing in.

And it isn't the Labour one.

nichomar

Danny565 said:

nichomar said:

anothernick said:

Noo said:

I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.

That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election

Not correct. Even if they don't manage to unite around an alternative PM, as a last resort they can (hilariously) vote that they have confidence in Boris's government after all -- as long as it comes within 14 days of the no-confidence vote, that aborts the election.

Of course technically correct but I’m not sure how that would happen

rpjs

dyedwoolie said:

nichomar said:

dyedwoolie said:

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

The retake Calais, war boosters

No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin

Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow

You'll have to get through Tarrytown first! We were the site of a turning point in the Revolutionary War when Major John André, Cornwallis' adjutant and head of intelligence, was caught by American militia men with the plans to West Point, which he'd just received from Benedict Arnold.

Although these days it's the traffic on US Route 9 that would probably stop a perfidious English invasion from the Canadas in its tracks...

justin124

Foxy said:

justin124 said:

philiph said:

justin124 said:

FPT
I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.

October 14th followed by several days of debate.

There needs to be a prorogation surely for that. How much notice is needed?

It is surely now expected given Johnson initial attempt to prorogue.

Sunil_Prasannan

dyedwoolie said:

nichomar said:

dyedwoolie said:

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

The retake Calais, war boosters

No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin

Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sunil060902/sandbox

philiph

NorthofStoke said:

We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the LD leadership is as far away from the current Labour leadership as it is from the Tories. In fact it is further.

Corbyn/McDonell and Momentum are the most ideologically extreme leadership of any party that has stood in the UK with the prospect of actually getting MPs. They have been normalised a bit by being in charge for a few years but the reality of the choice facing us at the next election is very grim with the LDs as the least bad alternative. To gain a big block in parliament it is essential that Swinson attacks both main parties pretty equally in my opinion.

The LibDem conundrum.

Move to replace Labour requires maximising votes (%) and seats.

Promoting voting Labour tactically increases the Labour seat tally thus marginalising the Libdems in the march to replacing Labour. If they don't encourage tactical voting the tories win more seats but they close the gap to Labour.

Choices!

Barnesian

justin124 said:

philiph said:

justin124 said:

FPT
I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.

October 14th followed by several days of debate.

I think Parliament has to be prorogued first?

justin124

Casino_Royale said:

TOPPING said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

Jo Swinson an island of sanity amongst the opposition loons.

It's very clear which pond she's now fishing in.

And it isn't the Labour one.

She will be adding substance to the 'Tories Little Helpers' label - having already supported statues of Thatcher.

Danny565

For all we know, the government might have already requested another prorogation for a Queen's Speech, but Liz might have said no this time.

justin124

Barnesian said:

justin124 said:

philiph said:

justin124 said:

FPT
I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.

October 14th followed by several days of debate.

I think Parliament has to be prorogued first?

That will surely happen for a few days.

RobD

Casino_Royale said:

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

Me.

Yeah, they are splitting the Brexit vote.

bigjohnowls

nichomar said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.

Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge

Gallowgate

bigjohnowls said:

nichomar said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.

Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge

Boring

anothernick

nichomar said:

anothernick said:

Noo said:

I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.

That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election

But a VONC can only pass with opposition support - they will not support one if they don't want an election. And only a VONC moved by the LOTO using the FTPA wording can bring down the government. The government cannot VONC itself.

If Johnson is forced to extend, which seems very likely, it is quite possible that he will remain in office for some time afterwards. You can easily see why it would be in the interests of the opposition to leave him marooned while Farage mops up Tory voters.

OblitusSumMe

justin124 said:

Barnesian said:

justin124 said:

philiph said:

justin124 said:

FPT
I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.

October 14th followed by several days of debate.

I think Parliament has to be prorogued first?

That will surely happen for a few days.

They could do it over a weekend.

Foxy

bigjohnowls said:

nichomar said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.

Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge

Corbynites are pretty thick. If they want support from LibDems for their so called strategy, they might want to consider a bit of gentle wooing rather than a torrent of online and Twitter abuse.

But I think that they will continue with their demonstration of stupidity and unfitness for office.

Barnesian

justin124 said:

Barnesian said:

justin124 said:

philiph said:

justin124 said:

FPT
I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.

October 14th followed by several days of debate.

I think Parliament has to be prorogued first?

That will surely happen for a few days.

Yes I think so. 7th to 13th would make sense. However if the opposition wishes as rumoured, using a SO24, in bring forward the date at which the government has to ask for an extension to before prorogation, they need to act tomorrow.

spudgfsh

anothernick said:

nichomar said:

anothernick said:

Noo said:

I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.

That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election

But a VONC can only pass with opposition support - they will not support one if they don't want an election. And only a VONC moved by the LOTO using the FTPA wording can bring down the government. The government cannot VONC itself.

If Johnson is forced to extend, which seems very likely, it is quite possible that he will remain in office for some time afterwards. You can easily see why it would be in the interests of the opposition to leave him marooned while Farage mops up Tory voters.

That's not quite true. The FTPA just states that the form of words which has to pass, it doesn't specify who can bring it forward.

Danny565

nichomar said:

Danny565 said:

nichomar said:

anothernick said:

Noo said:

I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.

That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election

Not correct. Even if they don't manage to unite around an alternative PM, as a last resort they can (hilariously) vote that they have confidence in Boris's government after all -- as long as it comes within 14 days of the no-confidence vote, that aborts the election.

Of course technically correct but I’m not sure how that would happen

Sorry, I misunderstood; I thought you meant the Opposition MPs wouldn't be able to stop an election after a VONC (and if they couldn't agree an alternative PM).

TGOHF2

What did parliament achieve today ?

Barnesian

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

4 SIs

https://calendar.parliament.uk/calendar/Commons/All/2019/10/1/Daily

AlastairMeeks

A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

Gallowgate

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Basically doing their job.

rottenborough

What a lovely country we have become.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1179120524376580096

rottenborough

AlastairMeeks said:

A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

Crazy. I have topped up.

another_richard

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

Its a reasonable view - Farage is against Brexit even if BXP voters are for it.

SquareRoot

Gallowgate said:

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Basically doing their job.

If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.

Anabobazina

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

What did you achieve today with your avatar featuring sectarian iconography?

Benpointer

rottenborough said:

AlastairMeeks said:

A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

Crazy. I have topped up.

Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?

rottenborough

Benpointer said:

rottenborough said:

AlastairMeeks said:

A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

Crazy. I have topped up.

Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?

Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.

Benpointer

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Basically doing their job.

If you consider obfuscating the will of [37.4% of] the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.

No one voted for No Deal and not everyone voted to Leave.

Anabobazina

rottenborough said:

What a lovely country we have become.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1179120524376580096

TGOHF’s (We Are The) People

Gallowgate

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Basically doing their job.

If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.

I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Doing their job basically.

Yellow_Submarine

Unhelpful interventions this week from Justine Greening, Margot James, Antoinette Sandback and David Gauke. The ' 21 ' seem to be splitting between those that want to go back and feel there is a way and those that either don't want to or feel there is no way back. I'm certain a good chunk and probably a majority of the 21 will have the whip restored but if the GE is delayed till the New Year it could be a torrid Winter for Commons defeats.

Foxy

AlastairMeeks said:

A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

When is the last day in October that a November election be called?

ozymandias

rottenborough said:

What a lovely country we have become.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1179120524376580096

And I suppose the Conservatives were referred to in "kinder and gentler" terms during the Labour conference.

HYUFD

The fact that 53% see the LDs as anti Brexit and 52% see the Tories as pro Brexit and only 42% see Labour as anti Brexit suggests Corbyn Labour will get squeezed at the next general election

SquareRoot

Gallowgate said:

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Basically doing their job.

If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.

I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Doing their job basically.

Pretty much anything but dealing with Brexit then...

Foxy

Dynamo Zagreb making Man City sweat. Spurs being Spursy too...

Benpointer

rottenborough said:

Benpointer said:

rottenborough said:

AlastairMeeks said:

A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

Crazy. I have topped up.

Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?

Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.

Fari enough, you may be right.

In fact you probably are - it must be a >25% chance I'd have thought.

Gallowgate

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Basically doing their job.

If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.

I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Doing their job basically.

Pretty much anything but dealing with Brexit then...

Well Boris hasn’t brought back his wonderful deal yet so what do you expect them to do?

OblitusSumMe

rottenborough said:

Benpointer said:

rottenborough said:

AlastairMeeks said:

A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

Crazy. I have topped up.

Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?

Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.

I think it's crazy short. Assuming the election is on a Thursday the latest would be November 28th, and the latest that could be called is five weeks previously on October 24th.

If that were to happen following a VONC, and a failure to agree on a replacement PM, then the VONC would have to be held no later than October 10th. But I see no reason why a VONC would be called before the Benn Act date of 19th October, unless the Opposition had agreed on a replacement PM.

There isn't the time.

HYUFD

DougSeal said:

Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

The remaining UKIP voters

HYUFD

anothernick said:

nichomar said:

anothernick said:

Noo said:

I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.

That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election

But a VONC can only pass with opposition support - they will not support one if they don't want an election. And only a VONC moved by the LOTO using the FTPA wording can bring down the government. The government cannot VONC itself.

If Johnson is forced to extend, which seems very likely, it is quite possible that he will remain in office for some time afterwards. You can easily see why it would be in the interests of the opposition to leave him marooned while Farage mops up Tory voters.

Boris will resign as PM rather than agree an extension

HYUFD

bigjohnowls said:

nichomar said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.

Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge

Extension is now law thanks to the Benn Act

justin124

Foxy said:

AlastairMeeks said:

A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

When is the last day in October that a November election be called?

Parliament would have to be dissolved on 26th October for an election on Saturday 30th November..

Gallowgate

HYUFD said:

bigjohnowls said:

nichomar said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.

Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge

Extension is now law thanks to the Benn Act

Do you not understand the act?

The Benn act merely requires the PM to request an extension *IF* Boris has either failed to bring a deal back or brought a deal back and it has been rejected by Parliament.

Clearly the deal will be fantastic so it will fly through Parliament nee problem.

SquareRoot

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Basically doing their job.

If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.

I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Doing their job basically.

Pretty much anything but dealing with Brexit then...

deleted

surbiton19

For those liberal minded Remainers celebrating more people recognize LDs as more pro-Remain may get what they do not wish for: the Remain vote totally split. All you will be doing is hand victory to HYUFD and his party.
I am not sure the LDs can even get back to 2010 strength let alone Charlie Kennedy's heyday.

justin124

OblitusSumMe said:

rottenborough said:

Benpointer said:

rottenborough said:

AlastairMeeks said:

A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

Crazy. I have topped up.

Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?

Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.

I think it's crazy short. Assuming the election is on a Thursday the latest would be November 28th, and the latest that could be called is five weeks previously on October 24th.

If that were to happen following a VONC, and a failure to agree on a replacement PM, then the VONC would have to be held no later than October 10th. But I see no reason why a VONC would be called before the Benn Act date of 19th October, unless the Opposition had agreed on a replacement PM.

There isn't the time.

It has been suggested that a VNOC will occur on 21st October. The 14 day clock then would start ticking - though, if Opposition parties can agree a replacement , it need not take that long.

SquareRoot

Gallowgate said:

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Basically doing their job.

If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.

I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Doing their job basically.

Pretty much anything but dealing with Brexit then...

Well Boris hasn’t brought back his wonderful deal yet so what do you expect them to do?

Oh I am sure they are plotting behind the scenes, HOC right now is just a front. I don't agree with Brexit, but it must happen and v soon.

anothernick

OblitusSumMe said:

rottenborough said:

Benpointer said:

rottenborough said:

AlastairMeeks said:

A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

Crazy. I have topped up.

Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?

Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.

I think it's crazy short. Assuming the election is on a Thursday the latest would be November 28th, and the latest that could be called is five weeks previously on October 24th.

If that were to happen following a VONC, and a failure to agree on a replacement PM, then the VONC would have to be held no later than October 10th. But I see no reason why a VONC would be called before the Benn Act date of 19th October, unless the Opposition had agreed on a replacement PM.

There isn't the time.

No. The extension has to be secured and legislation giving effect to it has to be passed. And the election of the new speaker is set for 4th November. I think the opposition will want to wait for that. So the very earliest a motion for an election could pass is 5th November and the earliest Thursday on which an election could take place is December 12th.

justin124

surbiton19 said:

For those liberal minded Remainers celebrating more people recognize LDs as more pro-Remain may get what they do not wish for: the Remain vote totally split. All you will be doing is hand victory to HYUFD and his party.
I am not sure the LDs can even get back to 2010 strength let alone Charlie Kennedy's heyday.

I agree - they will do well to reach 30 seats.

HYUFD

surbiton19 said:

For those liberal minded Remainers celebrating more people recognize LDs as more pro-Remain may get what they do not wish for: the Remain vote totally split. All you will be doing is hand victory to HYUFD and his party.
I am not sure the LDs can even get back to 2010 strength let alone Charlie Kennedy's heyday.

And I will raise a glass of champagne to them on election night when Boris crosses the threshold for a Tory majority

Gallowgate

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Basically doing their job.

If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.

I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Doing their job basically.

Pretty much anything but dealing with Brexit then...

Well Boris hasn’t brought back his wonderful deal yet so what do you expect them to do?

Oh I am sure they are plotting behind the scenes, HOC right now is just a front. I don't agree with Brexit, but it must happen and v soon.

You don’t think Parliament should be doing its constitutional role of scrutinising the Government?

ozymandias

justin124 said:

OblitusSumMe said:

rottenborough said:

Benpointer said:

rottenborough said:

AlastairMeeks said:

A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

Crazy. I have topped up.

Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?

Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.

I think it's crazy short. Assuming the election is on a Thursday the latest would be November 28th, and the latest that could be called is five weeks previously on October 24th.

If that were to happen following a VONC, and a failure to agree on a replacement PM, then the VONC would have to be held no later than October 10th. But I see no reason why a VONC would be called before the Benn Act date of 19th October, unless the Opposition had agreed on a replacement PM.

There isn't the time.

It has been suggested that a VNOC will occur on 21st October. The 14 day clock then would start ticking - though, if Opposition parties can agree a replacement , it need not take that long.

The opposition Parties aren't the important factor. The independents hold the balance of power.

justin124

anothernick said:

OblitusSumMe said:

rottenborough said:

Benpointer said:

rottenborough said:

AlastairMeeks said:

A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

Crazy. I have topped up.

Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?

Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.

I think it's crazy short. Assuming the election is on a Thursday the latest would be November 28th, and the latest that could be called is five weeks previously on October 24th.

If that were to happen following a VONC, and a failure to agree on a replacement PM, then the VONC would have to be held no later than October 10th. But I see no reason why a VONC would be called before the Benn Act date of 19th October, unless the Opposition had agreed on a replacement PM.

There isn't the time.

No. The extension has to be secured and legislation giving effect to it has to be passed. And the election of the new speaker is set for 4th November. I think the opposition will want to wait for that. So the very earliest a motion for an election could pass is 5th November and the earliest Thursday on which an election could take place is December 12th.

No - the election of a Speaker is irrelevant . It would not prevent a Dissolution - but be rescheduled for when Parliament reassembles.

HYUFD

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

bigjohnowls said:

nichomar said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.

Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge

Extension is now law thanks to the Benn Act

Do you not understand the act?

The Benn act merely requires the PM to request an extension *IF* Boris has either failed to bring a deal back or brought a deal back and it has been rejected by Parliament.

Clearly the deal will be fantastic so it will fly through Parliament nee problem.

Well of course that could be the ideal

OblitusSumMe

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

bigjohnowls said:

nichomar said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sky News
@SkyNews
· 21h
.@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.

Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge

Extension is now law thanks to the Benn Act

Do you not understand the act?

The Benn act merely requires the PM to request an extension *IF* Boris has either failed to bring a deal back or brought a deal back and it has been rejected by Parliament.

Clearly the deal will be fantastic so it will fly through Parliament nee problem.

The government can also avoid requesting an extension by passing a motion endorsing an EU exit without a withdrawal agreement. The chances of winning such a vote are slim, unless the government can somehow connive to strand SNP MPs in Scotland while the vote takes place, or similarly swing the arithmetic.

SquareRoot

Gallowgate said:

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

SquareRoot said:

Gallowgate said:

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Basically doing their job.

If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.

I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

Doing their job basically.

Pretty much anything but dealing with Brexit then...

Well Boris hasn’t brought back his wonderful deal yet so what do you expect them to do?

Oh I am sure they are plotting behind the scenes, HOC right now is just a front. I don't agree with Brexit, but it must happen and v soon.

You don’t think Parliament should be doing its constitutional role of scrutinising the Government?

They should of course but it would be far more effective if Brexit was sorted, No one gives a flying fuck at the moment if the HOC is scrutinising the Treasury..they want the feckers to sort Brexit out. Period.

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1179035421474340865?s=20

ozymandias

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1179035421474340865?s=20

Intellectual titans of our age.

TGOHF2

Anabobazina said:

TGOHF2 said:

What did parliament achieve today ?

What did you achieve today with your avatar featuring sectarian iconography?

Seeing as you were triggered by a British monarch I’ve changed it to a British legend.

viewcode

Some of you will have noted the reports earlier today about an unspecified number of European Union capitals, including Paris and Berlin, having discussed time-limiting the backstop. This presumably caused an uptick in GBP, gaining about 0.8 of a cent and reversing the loss of the day. The Bloomberg report is here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-01/eu-ready-to-consider-time-limit-on-irish-backstop-in-brexit-deal?srnd=premium-europe

Today, Macron was in Strasbourg and Merkel was in Berlin.

https://www.elysee.fr/en/diary
https://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/bkin-de/angela-merkel/terminkalender

rcs1000

justin124 said:

surbiton19 said:

For those liberal minded Remainers celebrating more people recognize LDs as more pro-Remain may get what they do not wish for: the Remain vote totally split. All you will be doing is hand victory to HYUFD and his party.
I am not sure the LDs can even get back to 2010 strength let alone Charlie Kennedy's heyday.

I agree - they will do well to reach 30 seats.

The LibDem seat number correlates pretty well in the post 1992 world with the Con-LD spread. If the number is 13-14 percentage points, as now, then that suggests they will end up with around 40-42 seats.

Now, it may be that that spread blows out to 18-20 points, but you are taking a lot for granted in assuming it.

Andy_JS

The fact that a December 2019 election is much more popular on Betfair Exchange than a November 2019 election is completely bonkers IMO.

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.154849135