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  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,381

    Blackford supports an election

    There has to be an election.

    This HOC is tired, weary, bad tempered, and worst of all incompetent

    I am at the stage that I really am not bothered about the make up of the next HOC I just want this parliament over and done with
    It's an Addled Parliament.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751

    Where is HYUFD.

    Is he banned?

    Surely he has to be in the Chamber today of all days?
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    Byronic said:

    Wild thought: Boris should call a 2nd referendum

    It’s the last chance for Brexit. Deal vs Remain. It would get the assent of the houses and might just save the Tories. I can see no other exit route for them.

    I am missing something here. What has happened that means brexit is now no longer likely? From where I sit, departure on 31st October still looks the most likely outcome.

    The Corbyn Surrender Bill becomes law very shortly. That rules out No Deal. There is no acceptable “deal”. So no-Brexit is left.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Given the numbers it would be quite useful to know what Mr O'Mara is doing.
  • Boris reply to Hammond has just lost his vote. Utterly useless
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited September 2019
    Majority of 3 predicted for blocking "No Deal":

    https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1168903909060022275
  • Jonathan said:

    Byronic said:

    Wild thought: Boris should call a 2nd referendum

    It’s the last chance for Brexit. Deal vs Remain. It would get the assent of the houses and might just save the Tories. I can see no other exit route for them.

    Never understood why Leavers are so against a 2nd ref. They won the last one, they can do it again.
    ... trouble is you can't make 'No Deal' vague.
  • Boris reply to Hammond has just lost his vote. Utterly useless

    Hammond's vote?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    Boris reply to Hammond has just lost his vote. Utterly useless

    Was he looking for Hammonds vote or not?

    I assume he is looking to be pushed into an election, so is wanting the vote to go against him.
  • You know what... Boris is quite poor at the box isn't he.
  • Are the DUP hinting they might not support a No Deal?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865

    Boris reply to Hammond has just lost his vote. Utterly useless

    His vote was gone. Did you not hear him this morning?
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
  • Boris reply to Hammond has just lost his vote. Utterly useless

    Hammond's vote?
    No Boris's - he is very poor
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    You know what... Boris is quite poor at the box isn't he.

    He's poor in any context where people don't adore him unconditionally
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,216
    May was very good at the dispatch box. Fat lot of good it did her.
  • philiph said:

    Boris reply to Hammond has just lost his vote. Utterly useless

    Was he looking for Hammonds vote or not?

    I assume he is looking to be pushed into an election, so is wanting the vote to go against him.
    I expressed that badly. I meant Boris losing the vote tonight
  • This is very exciting isn't it?
  • You know what... Boris is quite poor at the box isn't he.

    He is today
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Danny565 said:

    Majority of 3 predicted for blocking "No Deal":

    https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1168903909060022275

    That's honestly closer than I would have expected. Can the government get the number of rebels down from 14 to 12?
    Do we know if this is making any assumption about O'Mara?
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    Danny565 said:

    Majority of 3 predicted for blocking "No Deal":

    https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1168903909060022275

    Too close to call !
  • You know what... Boris is quite poor at the box isn't he.

    Hopefully he’ll be cross-examined by a QC before too long. They’ll need to wipe him off the floor.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Scott_P said:

    You know what... Boris is quite poor at the box isn't he.

    He's poor in any context where people don't adore him unconditionally
    Of course in Scott's world only MPs with FBPE next to their name can do any good
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Watching it in Greece. Boris isn’t doing that bad. He’s just on a losing wicket. And all the Tories know it.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited September 2019
    ..
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    DavidL said:

    Danny565 said:

    Majority of 3 predicted for blocking "No Deal":

    https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1168903909060022275

    That's honestly closer than I would have expected. Can the government get the number of rebels down from 14 to 12?
    Do we know if this is making any assumption about O'Mara?
    It's a fairly meaningless vote anyway. I do expect Letwin to pass though.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,289
    edited September 2019
    DavidL said:

    Danny565 said:

    Majority of 3 predicted for blocking "No Deal":

    https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1168903909060022275

    That's honestly closer than I would have expected. Can the government get the number of rebels down from 14 to 12?
    Do we know if this is making any assumption about O'Mara?
    635 is the maximum vote with no seats vacant (650 - 7 Sinn - 4 Speakers - 4 tellers) so O'Mara is included in that tally amongst the 12 Inds.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,216
    Brom said:

    DavidL said:

    Danny565 said:

    Majority of 3 predicted for blocking "No Deal":

    https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1168903909060022275

    That's honestly closer than I would have expected. Can the government get the number of rebels down from 14 to 12?
    Do we know if this is making any assumption about O'Mara?
    It's a fairly meaningless vote anyway. I do expect Letwin to pass though.
    Is it meaningless though ?

    Whoever is PM will have to abide by the decision on the 17th or pass legislation pdq to overrule it.
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469

    Danny565 said:

    Majority of 3 predicted for blocking "No Deal":

    https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1168903909060022275

    Too close to call !
    Dont kid yrself
  • Are the DUP hinting they might not support a No Deal?

    Of course the DUP don't want no deal - they know as well as anyone it will lead to a referendum on Irish unity PDQ.

    The DUP don't want to Brexit at all, they just don't want to be seen to stop it. They are interested in preserving the union and they really don't give a sh*t about anything else.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046

    You know what... Boris is quite poor at the box isn't he.

    Am I alone in thinking "Gordon Brown"?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Brom said:

    DavidL said:

    Danny565 said:

    Majority of 3 predicted for blocking "No Deal":

    https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1168903909060022275

    That's honestly closer than I would have expected. Can the government get the number of rebels down from 14 to 12?
    Do we know if this is making any assumption about O'Mara?
    It's a fairly meaningless vote anyway. I do expect Letwin to pass though.
    I am not so sanguine about this Parliament voting for an election. Turkeys and Christmas comes to mind. I think that this does matter.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    But Lee would not have voted with the government on Brexit issues anyway.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    ..

    Good to see the Lib Dems falling apart along with the government and the opposition. SNP the only party at the moment with a well oiled machine!
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Edward Leigh is puce.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,993
    Jonathan said:

    TM sitting next to Ken Clarke

    That is symbolic. Grown-ups corner.

    Ken Clarke nails it succinctly and elegantly.

    What did he say?
    On Boris's strategy:

    "He will set conditions that make no deal inevitable, he will make sure as much blame as possible is attached to the EU and this House for that consequence, and then as quickly as he can, he will fight a flag-raising election before the consequences of no deal become obvious,"
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    DavidL said:

    Danny565 said:

    Majority of 3 predicted for blocking "No Deal":

    https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1168903909060022275

    That's honestly closer than I would have expected. Can the government get the number of rebels down from 14 to 12?
    Do we know if this is making any assumption about O'Mara?
    They've taken the Tory rebel figures from Alex Wickham's work on Buzzfeed. So they have Greg Clark, Ken Clarke, Stephen Hammond and Anne Milton down as voting with the government which in the case of the first 3 seems... unlikely.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Pro_Rata said:

    DavidL said:

    Danny565 said:

    Majority of 3 predicted for blocking "No Deal":

    https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1168903909060022275

    That's honestly closer than I would have expected. Can the government get the number of rebels down from 14 to 12?
    Do we know if this is making any assumption about O'Mara?
    635 is the maximum vote with no seats vacant (650 - 7 Sinn - 4 Speakers - 4 tellers) so O'Mara is included in that tally amongst the 12 Inds.
    Anyone seen him anywhere on screen? is he there? If not 1 more Tory being loyal would be enough for a tie. I must say I expected the government to lose this by 20-30 standing the rebels strength this morning.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Wild thought: Boris should call a 2nd referendum

    It’s the last chance for Brexit. Deal vs Remain. It would get the assent of the houses and might just save the Tories. I can see no other exit route for them.

    I am missing something here. What has happened that means brexit is now no longer likely? From where I sit, departure on 31st October still looks the most likely outcome.

    The Corbyn Surrender Bill becomes law very shortly. That rules out No Deal. There is no acceptable “deal”. So no-Brexit is left.
    If this happens I can see Farage and his ugly ilk becoming the main party of the right and opposition to Corbyn's ministry. I wonder if this will end up with then taking us out the EU after they form a government post-Corbyn, around 2027.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    But Lee would not have voted with the government on Brexit issues anyway.
    Yes... nothing has changed. :)
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Byronic said:

    Edward Leigh is puce.

    I didn't know you were a puceophobe
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Pulpstar said:

    Brom said:

    DavidL said:

    Danny565 said:

    Majority of 3 predicted for blocking "No Deal":

    https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1168903909060022275

    That's honestly closer than I would have expected. Can the government get the number of rebels down from 14 to 12?
    Do we know if this is making any assumption about O'Mara?
    It's a fairly meaningless vote anyway. I do expect Letwin to pass though.
    Is it meaningless though ?

    Whoever is PM will have to abide by the decision on the 17th or pass legislation pdq to overrule it.
    I'm not entirely sure that is true. The bookmakers seem to suggest a high chance of no deal but also think Letwin will pass.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Brom said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    28,696 majority for Lee to overturn. Could be tricky.

    That’s one heck of a personal vote he thinks he has ;)
    His ego is bigger than his brain. He'll be marmalised.
    He had already been no-confidenced by his constituency party, and so would have been deselected anyway. It seem's like they forgt the rule "better iin the tent pissing out".
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    eristdoof said:

    Brom said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    28,696 majority for Lee to overturn. Could be tricky.

    That’s one heck of a personal vote he thinks he has ;)
    His ego is bigger than his brain. He'll be marmalised.
    He had already been no-confidenced by his constituency party, and so would have been deselected anyway. It seem's like they forgt the rule "better iin the tent pissing out".
    He'll cause less headaches outside the Tory party. I imagine Boris won't be too disappointed.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Surely the PM losing his majority means time for a GE ?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,216
    DavidL said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    DavidL said:

    Danny565 said:

    Majority of 3 predicted for blocking "No Deal":

    https://twitter.com/iain_w_anderson/status/1168903909060022275

    That's honestly closer than I would have expected. Can the government get the number of rebels down from 14 to 12?
    Do we know if this is making any assumption about O'Mara?
    635 is the maximum vote with no seats vacant (650 - 7 Sinn - 4 Speakers - 4 tellers) so O'Mara is included in that tally amongst the 12 Inds.
    Anyone seen him anywhere on screen? is he there? If not 1 more Tory being loyal would be enough for a tie. I must say I expected the government to lose this by 20-30 standing the rebels strength this morning.
    A defeat of 3 is a very best case scenario for the Gov't, the tweet has the spread as [3,35] so the expectation is the Gov't will lose by 19.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Bonus point to the first PB'er to identify the only Tory who voted against MV3 from the Remain perspective and who will (presumably) vote with the Government against the motion today.

    Keith Simpson?
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    Scott_P said:
    The bit about upholding the constitution means he's planning on refusing Queen's Consent at third reading of the Bill
  • Anything important happened this afternoon?

    Been in a champagne bar with JohnO for the past few hours so haven’t been following the news.
  • Byronic said:

    Edward Leigh is puce.

    Is that the less successful sequel to Jeffrey Bernard Is Unwell?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    TGOHF said:
    Her behaviour is more than a little strange, considering her staunch defence of Tim Farron in the past. As far as I can see, at least Lee didn't vote against banning discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, as Farron did.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Boris doing better now, after some flailing. But it matters not.
  • Boris's not commenting on leaks is utter bluster.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    TGOHF said:

    Surely the PM losing his majority means time for a GE ?

    If only it were that simple.
  • I've got to say that Boris Johnson looks unwell. The clammy, pallid look does not speak of a man in charge of events.
  • Mr. Drutt, I'm not a legal beagle, but isn't refusing Royal Assent something that is not within the PM's power?
  • TGOHF said:

    Surely the PM losing his majority means time for a GE ?

    In a normal world...
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Gabs2 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Wild thought: Boris should call a 2nd referendum

    It’s the last chance for Brexit. Deal vs Remain. It would get the assent of the houses and might just save the Tories. I can see no other exit route for them.

    I am missing something here. What has happened that means brexit is now no longer likely? From where I sit, departure on 31st October still looks the most likely outcome.

    The Corbyn Surrender Bill becomes law very shortly. That rules out No Deal. There is no acceptable “deal”. So no-Brexit is left.
    If this happens I can see Farage and his ugly ilk becoming the main party of the right and opposition to Corbyn's ministry. I wonder if this will end up with then taking us out the EU after they form a government post-Corbyn, around 2027.
    By 2027 a large proportion of Leave voters will have died out.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    I've got to say that Boris Johnson looks unwell. The clammy, pallid look does not speak of a man in charge of events.

    Dominic Raab’s face is more telling. He is funereal. As he should be.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865

    I've got to say that Boris Johnson looks unwell. The clammy, pallid look does not speak of a man in charge of events.

    Well he's not is he? He has a majority of zero (being generous) and 20 of his own party opposing him.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    I wonder if the Liberal Democrats will regret Phillip Lee calling English nationalism a "disease"? Given Welsh, Scottish and Irish nationalism are all accepted as legitimate currency, it could cause a backlash in England.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    eek said:

    Gabs2 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Wild thought: Boris should call a 2nd referendum

    It’s the last chance for Brexit. Deal vs Remain. It would get the assent of the houses and might just save the Tories. I can see no other exit route for them.

    I am missing something here. What has happened that means brexit is now no longer likely? From where I sit, departure on 31st October still looks the most likely outcome.

    The Corbyn Surrender Bill becomes law very shortly. That rules out No Deal. There is no acceptable “deal”. So no-Brexit is left.
    If this happens I can see Farage and his ugly ilk becoming the main party of the right and opposition to Corbyn's ministry. I wonder if this will end up with then taking us out the EU after they form a government post-Corbyn, around 2027.
    By 2027 a large proportion of Leave voters will have died out.
    Oh dear, what a dumb comment
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Anything important happened this afternoon?

    Been in a champagne bar with JohnO for the past few hours so haven’t been following the news.

    Nothing much, apart from the government has lost its majority.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406

    TGOHF said:

    Surely the PM losing his majority means time for a GE ?

    In a normal world...
    I believe something with a fixed deadline is overtaking normal process.
  • Before I forget: welcome, Philip Thompson, to the club and congratulations on a well put-together article. Daunting, innit?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Caroline Lucas wants to stay in the EU and do less trade with the ROW!
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Brom said:

    eek said:

    Gabs2 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Wild thought: Boris should call a 2nd referendum

    It’s the last chance for Brexit. Deal vs Remain. It would get the assent of the houses and might just save the Tories. I can see no other exit route for them.

    I am missing something here. What has happened that means brexit is now no longer likely? From where I sit, departure on 31st October still looks the most likely outcome.

    The Corbyn Surrender Bill becomes law very shortly. That rules out No Deal. There is no acceptable “deal”. So no-Brexit is left.
    If this happens I can see Farage and his ugly ilk becoming the main party of the right and opposition to Corbyn's ministry. I wonder if this will end up with then taking us out the EU after they form a government post-Corbyn, around 2027.
    By 2027 a large proportion of Leave voters will have died out.
    Oh dear, what a dumb comment
    Have you seen the demographics of the typical Brexit / UKIP voter?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    In response to Philip's excellent piece it really has to be Hoyle doesn't it? It is long time past some dignity was restored to the role of Speaker. Will Frank Field even stand again (let alone get elected)?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Government Majority 0

    If Elphicke is included as a Tory, the Government still has a majority of 1.
  • Mr. Meeks, it's no surprise, really.

    He wasn't up to being Foreign Secretary. He isn't up to being Prime Minister.

    As an aside, I'll be afk pretty much all day tomorrow. Thankfully, nothing important or interesting shall be happening, so I won't miss much.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    justin124 said:

    Government Majority 0

    If Elphicke is included as a Tory, the Government still has a majority of 1.
    And if O'Mara has stood down as promised, 2. Heady heights if they were reliable.
  • If we don’t get a GE I’ll be really annoyed now. This parliament is done, kaput, clapped out.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited September 2019
    Brom said:

    eek said:

    Gabs2 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Wild thought: Boris should call a 2nd referendum

    It’s the last chance for Brexit. Deal vs Remain. It would get the assent of the houses and might just save the Tories. I can see no other exit route for them.

    I am missing something here. What has happened that means brexit is now no longer likely? From where I sit, departure on 31st October still looks the most likely outcome.

    The Corbyn Surrender Bill becomes law very shortly. That rules out No Deal. There is no acceptable “deal”. So no-Brexit is left.
    If this happens I can see Farage and his ugly ilk becoming the main party of the right and opposition to Corbyn's ministry. I wonder if this will end up with then taking us out the EU after they form a government post-Corbyn, around 2027.
    By 2027 a large proportion of Leave voters will have died out.
    Oh dear, what a dumb comment
    Was it the intention of Remain inclined folk to have a referendum every five years or so anyway, as the demographic change supposedly suited them?

    And how do they think this hilarious piece of perception goes down with people who have recently lost Leave voting parents and/or grandparents? Is it really that funny?
  • The loss of Johnson’s majority means the DUP’s support is no longer of any political value.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited September 2019
    Gabs2 said:

    I wonder if the Liberal Democrats will regret Phillip Lee calling English nationalism a "disease"? Given Welsh, Scottish and Irish nationalism are all accepted as legitimate currency, it could cause a backlash in England.

    Depends how it's framed. Current Lib Dem voters, given England's dominant place in the union, would not disagree, holding that nationalism that seeks to enhance the position of an already dominant group is, indeed, dangerous. Potential Lib Dem voters, if they are unionists, may agree if they are consistent that any stripe of nationalism in these islands is dangerous - if only to the union..
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    DavidL said:

    TGOHF said:

    Surely the PM losing his majority means time for a GE ?

    If only it were that simple.
    It is. Boris Johnson can force an election if determined to do so.

    He can resign as Prime Minister and fight it as Leader of the Opposition.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Scott_P said:
    Which BoJo's administration just officially became a minority government.
    We have had a minority Government since June 2017.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    TGOHF said:

    Surely the PM losing his majority means time for a GE ?

    Normally. Any other time he'd lose a confidence vote, but as long as Corbyn is the alternative …...

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237

    I've got to say that Boris Johnson looks unwell. The clammy, pallid look does not speak of a man in charge of events.

    Everyone is looking like shit it seems to me. The stress I suppose.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,565
    GIN1138 said:
    Getting Phillip Lee in exchange for Jennie Rigg is like getting Ben Stokes for Jason Roy in my view

  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited September 2019
    On the other hand, sometimes you have to rip the wound open, cauterize the wound, remove the infection and then healing can begin. You can't always cure without causing damage.

    It can be the way to start healing.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865

    DavidL said:

    TGOHF said:

    Surely the PM losing his majority means time for a GE ?

    If only it were that simple.
    It is. Boris Johnson can force an election if determined to do so.

    He can resign as Prime Minister and fight it as Leader of the Opposition.
    How does him resigning force an election?
  • What a strange day and still a lot to go. Boris, a new PM looks like a drowning man. Appointing Cummings was a disaster for him personally.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    eek said:

    Brom said:

    eek said:

    Gabs2 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Wild thought: Boris should call a 2nd referendum

    It’s the last chance for Brexit. Deal vs Remain. It would get the assent of the houses and might just save the Tories. I can see no other exit route for them.

    I am missing something here. What has happened that means brexit is now no longer likely? From where I sit, departure on 31st October still looks the most likely outcome.

    The Corbyn Surrender Bill becomes law very shortly. That rules out No Deal. There is no acceptable “deal”. So no-Brexit is left.
    If this happens I can see Farage and his ugly ilk becoming the main party of the right and opposition to Corbyn's ministry. I wonder if this will end up with then taking us out the EU after they form a government post-Corbyn, around 2027.
    By 2027 a large proportion of Leave voters will have died out.
    Oh dear, what a dumb comment
    Have you seen the demographics of the typical Brexit / UKIP voter?
    Just an unemotional piece of data. Each year 0.5m people die in the UK. Make out what you want to.
  • eek said:

    Gabs2 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Wild thought: Boris should call a 2nd referendum

    It’s the last chance for Brexit. Deal vs Remain. It would get the assent of the houses and might just save the Tories. I can see no other exit route for them.

    I am missing something here. What has happened that means brexit is now no longer likely? From where I sit, departure on 31st October still looks the most likely outcome.

    The Corbyn Surrender Bill becomes law very shortly. That rules out No Deal. There is no acceptable “deal”. So no-Brexit is left.
    If this happens I can see Farage and his ugly ilk becoming the main party of the right and opposition to Corbyn's ministry. I wonder if this will end up with then taking us out the EU after they form a government post-Corbyn, around 2027.
    By 2027 a large proportion of Leave voters will have died out.
    Just stop it. It is just as unacceptable

    In fact it is unimaginable that anyone would rejoice in death of anyone
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    DavidL said:

    In response to Philip's excellent piece it really has to be Hoyle doesn't it? It is long time past some dignity was restored to the role of Speaker. Will Frank Field even stand again (let alone get elected)?

    Frank Field has resigned from the Labour Whip and is (from memory) planning to stand as an independent socialist at the next election. I doubt he will be in the next Parliament.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    DavidL said:

    TGOHF said:

    Surely the PM losing his majority means time for a GE ?

    If only it were that simple.
    It is. Boris Johnson can force an election if determined to do so.

    He can resign as Prime Minister and fight it as Leader of the Opposition.
    He wont need to, blackford confirms the SNP want an election so he has the votes to force one
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Aw Jess Philips just like one of us aint she guv? Aint even got a printer, has to go raaahnd the muvvah in laws
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    In terms of confidence, boris will get the support of Mann and Austin, possibly Hoey, it depends how many Tories vote against the government.......

    Mann would hardly support him on a VNOC!
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited September 2019
    justin124 said:

    In terms of confidence, boris will get the support of Mann and Austin, possibly Hoey, it depends how many Tories vote against the government.......

    Mann would hardly support him on a VNOC!
    To spite Corbyn he would. Ok, maybe not support but abstain? Yeah could see that to spite Corbyn
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,216

    DavidL said:

    TGOHF said:

    Surely the PM losing his majority means time for a GE ?

    If only it were that simple.
    It is. Boris Johnson can force an election if determined to do so.

    He can resign as Prime Minister and fight it as Leader of the Opposition.
    Cummins will probably (rightly in my opinion) advise him to do that rather than sign the letter or some such, but Johnson I reckon likes the trappings of office too much to take such a gamble. He's set off on a path where he basically needs to constantly double down (And becoming LOTO is probably necessary and makes logical sense given his speech last night) but I'm thinking he might just sign the letter.
    The Tories would rightly be crucified in such a scenario and my Baker 100-1 bet becomes very live indeed.
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