In short, it is a probably legal move and not necessarily unpopular enough to prevent Boris from winning an election (as it will be popular with the hard core of Tories and BXPers), which seems to have been his aim from the start - to achieve an election by being stymied, rather than seeming to seek it.
A truly depressing day of politics. Not that any side cares about the high ground, but we are delving into the depths of it now, as party fanatics tell us all how great it is.
I do repeat my earlier question of why we have not seen more defections among local politicians over the past year - defections are relatively common in local politics anyway, so even though it is perfectly possible for a group to keep their heads down even as the national party, whichever one, transforms into something else, as it is not directly relevant to them, I'd have expected to see some more drama at such a level as it is also easier for such people to make the jump than MPs.
Bercow, Grieve, Cooper, Letwin and Benn suddenly become aware that using every spare inch of parliamentary procedure and stretching it to its limits goes both ways. The electorate see two camps prepared to shit on any doorstep to get what they want.
Incidentally, one of the last times I remember that three PCs used Orders in Council to such effect was the Falklands, when the three PCs were Thatcher, Nott and Tebbit and the Orders authorised the task-force. Can anybody remember another?
Dreadful error by Buckingham Palace staff. Her Majesty has received extremely poor advice.
The monarch and the monarchy have been popular, but just wait until the No Deal shit hits the fan: she, and her reputation, are going to get absolutely covered in the stinking smatter.
I think the Queen has been badly advised in nodding through this prorogation. Maybe ultimately she can't refuse, but she can make her displeasure known.
Dreadful error by Buckingham Palace staff. Her Majesty has received extremely poor advice.
The monarch and the monarchy have been popular, but just wait until the No Deal shit hits the fan: she, and her reputation, are going to get absolutely covered in the stinking smatter.
You'd prefer the Queen actually utilised the power to say no to a PM? Astonishing how many have taken that view.
Question 3 is a common theme in cyclefree's headers, and I think looking to the US would be instructive. Being well behaved, staying well within the spirit of the law, and seeking bipartisan compromise and consensus do exactly zip in compelling your opponents to do the same. If Corbyn really is the unprincipled zealot you believe, he's hardly going to care about whether or not Boris set a precedent for these kinds of tactics, he'll just do it.
Dreadful error by Buckingham Palace staff. Her Majesty has received extremely poor advice.
The monarch and the monarchy have been popular, but just wait until the No Deal shit hits the fan: she, and her reputation, are going to get absolutely covered in the stinking smatter.
The Andrew stuff will be far more damaging to the monarchy
Everybody seems to be on about CBD oil these days. Is there any hard science behind the claims? I know all the CBD drinks, coffees etc are a bunch of horseshit due to the very low levels, but the pure stuff? Has there been some actual peer reviewed studies or is it anecdotal?
4. Are Parliament willing to vote no confidence in a Prime Minister taking this course? 5. If not, why not? 6. If so, what then?
4) Because there is little point doing that before October...
Boris is trying to force a decision through - by restricting any final decision to whatever deal he can cobble together against No Deal. Everyone else needs to remove No Deal from the table before that final decision is made. Only if the final decision is Deal v No Deal do you want to bin Boris and bring someone else in to extend
Although perfectly legal, I believe the Queen made a serious mistake this morning.
She is seen - whether unfairly or not - to be enabling an act of constitutional theft.
Boris has faced Parliament for just ONE day so far, and he has not yet faced a SINGLE vote. His very Premiership rests on the flimsiest of constitutional conventions, and his majority exists only hypothetically.
The correct approach by the Queen would have been to delay somehow, perhaps to seek wider advice from her Privy Councillors.
This is a terrible day for democracy in this country, and indeed for the Union.
I tend to agree though that this is also terrible optics for Brexit. The whole project is now so toxic it is like a political Chernobyl.
Dreadful error by Buckingham Palace staff. Her Majesty has received extremely poor advice.
The monarch and the monarchy have been popular, but just wait until the No Deal shit hits the fan: she, and her reputation, are going to get absolutely covered in the stinking smatter.
Indeed. The warning lights should have flashed like a Dr Who tardis when Jacob Rees-Mogg showed up at the gates of Balmoral Castle with a baroness no-one's heard of and the chief whip flogging the Queen a prorogation that sellers of dodgy 1990s Fiestas would hesitate to be associated with.
Don’t underestimate Oliver Letwin. He is mild but very serious. He is a major gain for the constitutionalists. And he is flagging the way forward.
But he knows full well parliament cannot stop no deal. It's not something you can legislate, it's an outcome that remains possible until a deal is agreed and passed. In fact it's the legal default. And given Boris moves today, does anyone really think he will take any notice? Hes clearly prepared to utilise the reserved powers to their fullest extent, which gives him a lot of clout. And thrusts us into very uncertain times. They had a deal, they chose to play politics and party advantages, Emporer Boris is their love child.
The optics are terrible for Boris - embarrassing HM just massively compounding the blunder. Even Boris’s little soldiers seem half hearted in their defending. I think this will be Boris’s equivalent of Gordon’s election that never was: an example of deeply flawed thinking and dodginess that swept all the magic away,
1 Because its policy is to leave with a deal, and no deal has always been the unwelcome backstop position according to Treaty
2 At the moment this question is about an unknown quantity and cannot be rationally answered either in positive or negative terms by anyone.
3 Irrelevant. The matter has had intense parliamentary scrutiny and the current position arises precisely out of the results of parliament's decisions thus far. A deal will come back to parliament for it to accept or reject. That is current government policy. Stalinism it ain't.
Although perfectly legal, I believe the Queen made a serious mistake this morning.
She is seen - whether unfairly or not - to be enabling an act of constitutional theft.
Boris has faced Parliament for just ONE day so far, and he has not yet faced a SINGLE vote. His very Premiership rests on the flimsiest of constitutional conventions, and his majority exists only hypothetically.
The correct approach by the Queen would have been to delay somehow, perhaps to seek wider advice from her Privy Councillors.
This is a terrible day for democracy in this country, and indeed for the Union.
I tend to agree though that this is also terrible optics for Brexit. The whole project is now so toxic it is like a political Chernobyl.
I suspect in the medium term, today's decision, though seemingly minor and unavoidable, has destroyed the monarchy.
The government don't care about any of these questions - their time horizon doesn't stretch beyond the end of October.
Their entire strategy is reliant on one of - the EU caving or getting a fudged withdrawal agreement through - a VONC and an election before 31 October or an extension by someone other than Boris after an election - no dealing on 31 October and it all being fine actually
The first seems unlikely given the lack of desire of the EU/ERG/labour leavers to compromise and the second relies on the Labour party walking into an obvious bear trap rather than "trying our best but unfortunately not having the numbers in parliament to stop no deal".
If we no deal on 31 October the government will immediately lose a VONC and holding an election 1-2 months after crashing out of the EU seems a little brave.
The petition says that "Parliament will consider this for debate". Forgive my ignorance, but if Parliament were prorogued could it actually discuss such a petition?
4. Are Parliament willing to vote no confidence in a Prime Minister taking this course? 5. If not, why not? 6. If so, what then?
That is what Johnson wants them to do and that is why I hope they don't fall into that trap.
He wants to be "forced" into an election and play the victim but it is essential for that plan to succeed that it happens before Oct 31st. After that he has to go No Deal or panic and backtrack and either of those courses of action stand to lose him substantial numbers of votes.
How? the FTPA means it's not an option - it's why Boris is trying to push things as without a VoNC he can't have an election
If MPs were prepared to vote for it next week we could still have an election on 17th October.
It's only likely if 440MPs vote for it and would mean they could do nothing until after October 31st.
As I've stated for a while there is no way anyone is going to accept an election now without insisting on an extension - and an extension is toxic for Boris.
1. Because while a Deal vs No Deal referendum would be legitimate, Parliament would amend it to be Deal vs Remain. In so doing they would set aside the votes of 17.4 million people and teach them all that voting has no purpose if they disagree with their “betters”
2. Inertia is the most powerful force in politics. Once it is done it is done and it will go back to being a minority interest
3. Get a grip. It’s 4 f*****g days. After Bercow and others have abused parliamentary procedure
Dreadful error by Buckingham Palace staff. Her Majesty has received extremely poor advice.
The monarch and the monarchy have been popular, but just wait until the No Deal shit hits the fan: she, and her reputation, are going to get absolutely covered in the stinking smatter.
+1 I agree. Terrible move by HMQ. She will inevitably become a focal point for discontent. A bit like when Diana died. A strange co-incidence it being almost 22 years to the day since events so grippingly moved against the Queen.
Cummings - who advises Johnson - has already shown that he holds Parliament in utter contempt. The problem with our constitution is that it works as long as everybody follows the codes, rules, precedences which have gone before. Johnson, under Cummings's bidding no doubt seems content to rip all of this up. This is extremely dangerous especially coupled with Cameron's untested meddling with the FTPA.
The petition says that "Parliament will consider this for debate". Forgive my ignorance, but if Parliament were prorogued could it actually discuss such a petition?
I don't think it has to schedule them for debate in a particularly timely manner.
The petition says that "Parliament will consider this for debate". Forgive my ignorance, but if Parliament were prorogued could it actually discuss such a petition?
Dreadful error by Buckingham Palace staff. Her Majesty has received extremely poor advice.
The monarch and the monarchy have been popular, but just wait until the No Deal shit hits the fan: she, and her reputation, are going to get absolutely covered in the stinking smatter.
Indeed. The warning lights should have flashed like a Dr Who tardis when Jacob Rees-Mogg showed up at the gates of Balmoral Castle with a baroness no-one's heard of and the chief whip flogging the Queen a prorogation that sellers of dodgy 1990s Fiestas would hesitate to be associated with.
A Catholic Cabinet Minister bearing unwanted tidings...
Although perfectly legal, I believe the Queen made a serious mistake this morning.
She is seen - whether unfairly or not - to be enabling an act of constitutional theft.
Boris has faced Parliament for just ONE day so far, and he has not yet faced a SINGLE vote. His very Premiership rests on the flimsiest of constitutional conventions, and his majority exists only hypothetically.
The correct approach by the Queen would have been to delay somehow, perhaps to seek wider advice from her Privy Councillors.
This is a terrible day for democracy in this country, and indeed for the Union.
I tend to agree though that this is also terrible optics for Brexit. The whole project is now so toxic it is like a political Chernobyl.
I suspect in the medium term, today's decision, though seemingly minor and unavoidable, has destroyed the monarchy.
Still think the outwash of Andrew's friendship with Epstein and where that whole can of worms leads will be far more damaging. Disgust with the elite is going to rise and rise
4. Are Parliament willing to vote no confidence in a Prime Minister taking this course? 5. If not, why not? 6. If so, what then?
That is what Johnson wants them to do and that is why I hope they don't fall into that trap.
He wants to be "forced" into an election and play the victim but it is essential for that plan to succeed that it happens before Oct 31st. After that he has to go No Deal or panic and backtrack and either of those courses of action stand to lose him substantial numbers of votes.
Parliament has power and time to VONC and vote for a new government and named leader (FTPA) if they have a majority to do so. No election required. Let's see if they have the support.
Dreadful error by Buckingham Palace staff. Her Majesty has received extremely poor advice.
The monarch and the monarchy have been popular, but just wait until the No Deal shit hits the fan: she, and her reputation, are going to get absolutely covered in the stinking smatter.
+1 I agree. Terrible move by HMQ. She will inevitably become a focal point for discontent. A bit like when Diana died. A strange co-incidence it being almost 22 years to the day since events so grippingly moved against the Queen.
She acted in the proper way constitutionally. Do we want a monarch who overrules the advice of her government? Think about it carefully.
Although perfectly legal, I believe the Queen made a serious mistake this morning.
She is seen - whether unfairly or not - to be enabling an act of constitutional theft.
Boris has faced Parliament for just ONE day so far, and he has not yet faced a SINGLE vote. His very Premiership rests on the flimsiest of constitutional conventions, and his majority exists only hypothetically.
The correct approach by the Queen would have been to delay somehow, perhaps to seek wider advice from her Privy Councillors.
This is a terrible day for democracy in this country, and indeed for the Union.
I tend to agree though that this is also terrible optics for Brexit. The whole project is now so toxic it is like a political Chernobyl.
I suspect in the medium term, today's decision, though seemingly minor and unavoidable, has destroyed the monarchy.
The Tory Party is dead, the monarchy is dead, are you the NE Oscar the cat?
How? the FTPA means it's not an option - it's why Boris is trying to push things as without a VoNC he can't have an election
If MPs were prepared to vote for it next week we could still have an election on 17th October.
It's only likely if 440MPs vote for it and would mean they could do nothing until after October 31st.
As I've stated for a while there is no way anyone is going to accept an election now without insisting on an extension - and an extension is toxic for Boris.
Hence No election is possible.
A VNOC followed by installing new PM within 14 days - Corbyn or whoever - could still mean election on 24th or 31st October having already requested an extension.
1. Because while a Deal vs No Deal referendum would be legitimate, Parliament would amend it to be Deal vs Remain. In so doing they would set aside the votes of 17.4 million people and teach them all that voting has no purpose if they disagree with their “betters”
2. Inertia is the most powerful force in politics. Once it is done it is done and it will go back to being a minority interest
3. Get a grip. It’s 4 f*****g days. After Bercow and others have abused parliamentary procedure
Its not 4 days. Its 5 weeks. Stop being misleading. Its like the Leave campaign all over again.
Everybody seems to be on about CBD oil these days. Is there any hard science behind the claims? I know all the CBD drinks, coffees etc are a bunch of horseshit due to the very low levels, but the pure stuff? Has there been some actual peer reviewed studies or is it anecdotal?
Oil is rubbished. There are approved CBD and THC based pharmaceuticals (synthetic)
1. Because while a Deal vs No Deal referendum would be legitimate, Parliament would amend it to be Deal vs Remain. In so doing they would set aside the votes of 17.4 million people and teach them all that voting has no purpose if they disagree with their “betters”
2. Inertia is the most powerful force in politics. Once it is done it is done and it will go back to being a minority interest
3. Get a grip. It’s 4 f*****g days. After Bercow and others have abused parliamentary procedure
3 - It's not 4 days. It's 4 days + 4 days for the Queen's Speech which cannot be overridden.
At a minimum it's 8 days and that depends on when the proroguing begins. It's possible that it begins on September 9th which removes another 3 days of debates.
Between those items it reduces Parliament from 25 days of sitting where things were editable down to 14.
Dreadful error by Buckingham Palace staff. Her Majesty has received extremely poor advice.
The monarch and the monarchy have been popular, but just wait until the No Deal shit hits the fan: she, and her reputation, are going to get absolutely covered in the stinking smatter.
+1 I agree. Terrible move by HMQ. She will inevitably become a focal point for discontent. A bit like when Diana died. A strange co-incidence it being almost 22 years to the day since events so grippingly moved against the Queen.
She acted in the proper way constitutionally. Do we want a monarch who overrules the advice of her government? Think about it carefully.
Yes, just imagine if Boris Johnson or some future PM pursued a really evil policy, if the monarch isn't going to stand up to that then what's the point of the monarchy other than to be the parrot of the PM?
Incidentally, one of the last times I remember that three PCs used Orders in Council to such effect was the Falklands, when the three PCs were Thatcher, Nott and Tebbit and the Orders authorised the task-force. Can anybody remember another?
The quorum of the Privy Council is HM (or Counsellors of State) +3. Meetings rarely have more than 3, usually the Lord President and the minister whose departmental business is being discuss and one other.
1. Because while a Deal vs No Deal referendum would be legitimate, Parliament would amend it to be Deal vs Remain. In so doing they would set aside the votes of 17.4 million people and teach them all that voting has no purpose if they disagree with their “betters”
2. Inertia is the most powerful force in politics. Once it is done it is done and it will go back to being a minority interest
3. Get a grip. It’s 4 f*****g days. After Bercow and others have abused parliamentary procedure
3 - It's not 4 days. It's 4 days + 4 days for the Queen's Speech which cannot be overridden.
At a minimum it's 8 days and that depends on when the proroguing begins. It's possible that it begins on September 9th which removes another 3 days of debates.
Between those items it reduces Parliament from 25 days of sitting where things were editable down to 14.
Don’t forget conference season which would have been cancelled but now wont be.
1. Because while a Deal vs No Deal referendum would be legitimate, Parliament would amend it to be Deal vs Remain. In so doing they would set aside the votes of 17.4 million people and teach them all that voting has no purpose if they disagree with their “betters”
2. Inertia is the most powerful force in politics. Once it is done it is done and it will go back to being a minority interest
3. Get a grip. It’s 4 f*****g days. After Bercow and others have abused parliamentary procedure
3 - It's not 4 days. It's 4 days + 4 days for the Queen's Speech which cannot be overridden.
At a minimum it's 8 days and that depends on when the proroguing begins. It's possible that it begins on September 9th which removes another 3 days of debates.
Between those items it reduces Parliament from 25 days of sitting where things were editable down to 14.
Don’t forget conference season which would have been cancelled but now wont be.
Conference season could have been cancelled ages ago, they all knew this crisis was coming, I have less sympathy about intending to cancel that but not doing so
1. Because while a Deal vs No Deal referendum would be legitimate, Parliament would amend it to be Deal vs Remain. In so doing they would set aside the votes of 17.4 million people and teach them all that voting has no purpose if they disagree with their “betters”
2. Inertia is the most powerful force in politics. Once it is done it is done and it will go back to being a minority interest
3. Get a grip. It’s 4 f*****g days. After Bercow and others have abused parliamentary procedure
3 - It's not 4 days. It's 4 days + 4 days for the Queen's Speech which cannot be overridden.
At a minimum it's 8 days and that depends on when the proroguing begins. It's possible that it begins on September 9th which removes another 3 days of debates.
Between those items it reduces Parliament from 25 days of sitting where things were editable down to 14.
Don’t forget conference season which would have been cancelled but now wont be.
Dreadful error by Buckingham Palace staff. Her Majesty has received extremely poor advice.
The monarch and the monarchy have been popular, but just wait until the No Deal shit hits the fan: she, and her reputation, are going to get absolutely covered in the stinking smatter.
+1 I agree. Terrible move by HMQ. She will inevitably become a focal point for discontent. A bit like when Diana died. A strange co-incidence it being almost 22 years to the day since events so grippingly moved against the Queen.
She acted in the proper way constitutionally. Do we want a monarch who overrules the advice of her government? Think about it carefully.
Yes, just imagine if Boris Johnson or some future PM pursued a really evil policy, if the monarch isn't going to stand up to that then what's the point of the monarchy other than to be the parrot of the PM?
One could just about imagine this is our parliament, government and courts all failed us. But to talk of HM the Queen being out of order over this matter when both parliament and courts have remedies if they don't like it it hyperbolic nonsense and unfair to the world's most popular lady.
It’s amazing that there now seems something of the jackboot about Boris - sweeping away ancient constitutional safeguards with a snigger and a sneer. That carefully crafted jovial-chap-of-the-people persona is in tatters. Cummings couldn’t have thought this through.
This is the thing - as much as I detest what Boris has done, there is action they can still take and I hope they take it rather than simply getting outraged.
1. Because while a Deal vs No Deal referendum would be legitimate, Parliament would amend it to be Deal vs Remain. In so doing they would set aside the votes of 17.4 million people and teach them all that voting has no purpose if they disagree with their “betters”
2. Inertia is the most powerful force in politics. Once it is done it is done and it will go back to being a minority interest
3. Get a grip. It’s 4 f*****g days. After Bercow and others have abused parliamentary procedure
3 - It's not 4 days. It's 4 days + 4 days for the Queen's Speech which cannot be overridden.
At a minimum it's 8 days and that depends on when the proroguing begins. It's possible that it begins on September 9th which removes another 3 days of debates.
Between those items it reduces Parliament from 25 days of sitting where things were editable down to 14.
Don’t forget conference season which would have been cancelled but now wont be.
Conference season could have been cancelled ages ago, they all knew this crisis was coming, I have less sympathy about intending to cancel that but not doing so
How could it have been cancelled ages ago? The government hadn't laid the necessary order for a recess.
The one good thing about today is that it should focus the minds of those who wish to stop no deal Brexit. They are going to get one shot at it, and they need to get all their ducks in a row. We will know shortly whether stopping the UK crashing out is possible. If not, everybody has about seven weeks to get ready as it is almost certain to happen now.
1. Because while a Deal vs No Deal referendum would be legitimate, Parliament would amend it to be Deal vs Remain. In so doing they would set aside the votes of 17.4 million people and teach them all that voting has no purpose if they disagree with their “betters”
2. Inertia is the most powerful force in politics. Once it is done it is done and it will go back to being a minority interest
3. Get a grip. It’s 4 f*****g days. After Bercow and others have abused parliamentary procedure
This four days rubbish has to stop. It's simply untrue.
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Expecting the defections to start happening.
2) They don't, and do not expect it to
3) They couldn't.
I cannot understand why anyone would wish to destabilise the economy and further erode trust in Democracy other than Putin and his cronies....
A truly depressing day of politics. Not that any side cares about the high ground, but we are delving into the depths of it now, as party fanatics tell us all how great it is.
I do repeat my earlier question of why we have not seen more defections among local politicians over the past year - defections are relatively common in local politics anyway, so even though it is perfectly possible for a group to keep their heads down even as the national party, whichever one, transforms into something else, as it is not directly relevant to them, I'd have expected to see some more drama at such a level as it is also easier for such people to make the jump than MPs.
The electorate see two camps prepared to shit on any doorstep to get what they want.
https://twitter.com/oletwinofficial/status/1166707027168694272?s=21
5. If not, why not?
6. If so, what then?
There has already been a referendum.
I actually support the FTPA and ideally there shouldn't be a GE until May/June 2022.
https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/1166711208700981249
Incidentally, one of the last times I remember that three PCs used Orders in Council to such effect was the Falklands, when the three PCs were Thatcher, Nott and Tebbit and the Orders authorised the task-force. Can anybody remember another?
The monarch and the monarchy have been popular, but just wait until the No Deal shit hits the fan: she, and her reputation, are going to get absolutely covered in the stinking smatter.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/american-football/49488234
Everybody seems to be on about CBD oil these days. Is there any hard science behind the claims? I know all the CBD drinks, coffees etc are a bunch of horseshit due to the very low levels, but the pure stuff? Has there been some actual peer reviewed studies or is it anecdotal?
Boris is trying to force a decision through - by restricting any final decision to whatever deal he can cobble together against No Deal.
Everyone else needs to remove No Deal from the table before that final decision is made. Only if the final decision is Deal v No Deal do you want to bin Boris and bring someone else in to extend
https://twitter.com/AbiWilks/status/1166796539664240640
Love it, hope they completely destroy their credibility in the eyes of younger voters.
Edit: Not sure but this might be the same guy...
https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1145747419264503808
I think he really struggles with the job of fact checker, propagandist is a more fitting title.
More on topic this live feed of parliament square protests is mildly entertaining...
https://twitter.com/sohoite/status/1166805375225647105
She is seen - whether unfairly or not - to be enabling an act of constitutional theft.
Boris has faced Parliament for just ONE day so far, and he has not yet faced a SINGLE vote. His very Premiership rests on the flimsiest of constitutional conventions, and his majority exists only hypothetically.
The correct approach by the Queen would have been to delay somehow, perhaps to seek wider advice from her Privy Councillors.
This is a terrible day for democracy in this country, and indeed for the Union.
I tend to agree though that this is also terrible optics for Brexit. The whole project is now so toxic it is like a political Chernobyl.
Time for the gilet jaunes to mobilise.
And given Boris moves today, does anyone really think he will take any notice? Hes clearly prepared to utilise the reserved powers to their fullest extent, which gives him a lot of clout. And thrusts us into very uncertain times.
They had a deal, they chose to play politics and party advantages, Emporer Boris is their love child.
2 At the moment this question is about an unknown quantity and cannot be rationally answered either in positive or negative terms by anyone.
3 Irrelevant. The matter has had intense parliamentary scrutiny and the current position arises precisely out of the results of parliament's decisions thus far. A deal will come back to parliament for it to accept or reject. That is current government policy. Stalinism it ain't.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/09/11/some-fashion-advice-for-jeremy-corbyn/
Their entire strategy is reliant on one of
- the EU caving or getting a fudged withdrawal agreement through
- a VONC and an election before 31 October or an extension by someone other than Boris after an election
- no dealing on 31 October and it all being fine actually
The first seems unlikely given the lack of desire of the EU/ERG/labour leavers to compromise and the second relies on the Labour party walking into an obvious bear trap rather than "trying our best but unfortunately not having the numbers in parliament to stop no deal".
If we no deal on 31 October the government will immediately lose a VONC and holding an election 1-2 months after crashing out of the EU seems a little brave.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157?fbclid=IwAR0xZDEcMTEMXUJ6Ipm10EOt8SkWZL5IuEK8rceZPhuoRtyqvOCk-C-vbnA
The petition says that "Parliament will consider this for debate".
Forgive my ignorance, but if Parliament were prorogued could it actually discuss such a petition?
He wants to be "forced" into an election and play the victim but it is essential for that plan to succeed that it happens before Oct 31st. After that he has to go No Deal or panic and backtrack and either of those courses of action stand to lose him substantial numbers of votes.
As I've stated for a while there is no way anyone is going to accept an election now without insisting on an extension - and an extension is toxic for Boris.
Hence No election is possible.
2. Inertia is the most powerful force in politics. Once it is done it is done and it will go back to being a minority interest
3. Get a grip. It’s 4 f*****g days. After Bercow and others have abused parliamentary procedure
At a minimum it's 8 days and that depends on when the proroguing begins. It's possible that it begins on September 9th which removes another 3 days of debates.
Between those items it reduces Parliament from 25 days of sitting where things were editable down to 14.
This is the thing - as much as I detest what Boris has done, there is action they can still take and I hope they take it rather than simply getting outraged.