@Philip_Thompson you should expel the ERG for not following the whip. Oh and Boris.
May was too cowardly to make the meaningful votes a confidence motion. More fool her.
If Grieve and co vote No Confidence in the government then expulsion will be automatic.
It may be different in your native Australia but since the Fixed Term Parliaments Act was passed only a motion in the prescribed form can be a confidence motion in the UK Parliament. You should probably research a bit about UK politics and procedure before posting so extensively about it.
I am not Australian, I'm English.
I've also written repeatedly how a post-FTPA confidence motion can be held. The legal procedure is different but the consequences are the same. Similarly pre-FTPA losing a vote that had been termed a confidence motion didn't automatically trigger an election by itself - there were procedures to follow afterwards. Now there are just different procedures to follow but the consquences are the same.
I’ve read them and, with respect, and speaking as a legal professional of some 20 years standing, they are bollocks.
Are you sure you are English? Your manner of phrasing and apparent distance from the English way of thinking would suggest otherwise.
Yes 100% sure. And I see no disconnect of phrasing or distance from the way of thinking. In fact I have voted with a plurality/majority of the English voters in every General Election or Referendum I've voted in bar one.
You just don’t come across as English - your suggestion that we are more akin to Australians than Europeans being but one example. I mean I’m sure there are plenty of Australians who have voted like English people while resident here but that doesn’t make them English.
We are massively more akin to Australians than Europeans, having lived in multiple towns and cities in both cities the difference between towns and cities is bigger than the differences between the countries.
Give me any ways at all that Romanians are more like the English than Australians are please. They are literally our kin anyway.
Simple. Romania is in Europe... Australia is an alien country... there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
How many people from Sydney would be able to get by in Sunderland. How many of those would get by in Oradea?
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
@Philip_Thompson you should expel the ERG for not following the whip. Oh and Boris.
May was too cowardly to make the meaningful votes a confidence motion. More fool her.
If Grieve and co vote No Confidence in the government then expulsion will be automatic.
FPTA: May couldn't make any vote other than "This House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government" a confidence motion.
"Nothwithstanding the provisions of the Fixed Term Parliament Act, this House states that...". Would that have worked?
I doubt it. The Parliament that passed the FPTA cannot bind the current Parliament of course, but what that actually means is that the enacting Parliament cannot make the legislation it passes unamendable or unrepealable by a future Parliament. That subsequent Parliament would still have to go through the normal primary legislative process to amend or repeal the FPTA.
I suppose the government could try to use one of the many Henry VIII clauses enacted in recent times to try to repeal or amend the FPTA by fiat, but I suspect they won't want to try that for fear the power being found unconstitutional by the courts.
Procedure is different, practice is the same. In theory the PM didn't call the election pre-FTPA, Her Majesty the Queen did on the PM's advice. What matters is practice more than theory or procedure.
When Theresa May stood in Downing Street and called for an election to the world's gathered media she called the election, not the Commons. The Commons just ratified what she'd already called and the media had already moved into election mode before the Commons even voted. She could have done the same by proxy with the WDA thus making the WDA a confidence vote by proxy.
In which case may I suggest you read what the law actually says.
The amount of fun a Labour party could have in September as Boris tries to call an election will be a sight to behold.
Granted we do need an election but I think the pound of flesh required for Boris to get his wish will rather put him off...
Remember that this is the Parliamentary Labour Party that in 2017 was quite prepared to support a motion dissolving parliament when it looked like at least a 1/3 of them would lose their seats, albeit on the assumption (which they shared) that the Conservative Party under May was capable of fighting a half decent election campaign.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
Well you’re both nuts as far as I’m concerned.
Plain bonkers.
Romania’s (relative!) geographical proximity in no way makes them as akin we are to “middle Australia”. Nothing wrong with that, I’m sure there are loads of lovely engaging folk in downtown Bucharest but to claim and agree we are not like Australians? Ludicrous.
(Anyone likely to be opening the batting for Romania at Lord’s anytime soon? Just to be topical).
So you can lay an October 2019 election at just 3.85 on BFE and win if it falls in any other month or year.
I do not understand the logic of the article. So what happens on 31st October ? If BJ can get Brexit through why should he call an election ? Surely, the election will be held before 31st October.
A September election works for me.
A September election is now impossible.
Heck I think the earliest possible date is now October 10th...
October 24th I am told.
That was if a vote of No Confidence occurs on in the first 2 days of Parliment returning.
Things hit November incredibly early...
Or, BJ challenges Corbyn on the day they return.
For an election - as discussed elsewhere - Labours response will be that they are happy to have one but we have 2 months of acts that need to go through parliament so if you extend to 31st December we will vote for said election.
Cue videos on repeat of Boris stating we are leaving on October 31st with the word liar plastered over it...
Procedure is different, practice is the same. In theory the PM didn't call the election pre-FTPA, Her Majesty the Queen did on the PM's advice. What matters is practice more than theory or procedure.
When Theresa May stood in Downing Street and called for an election to the world's gathered media she called the election, not the Commons. The Commons just ratified what she'd already called and the media had already moved into election mode before the Commons even voted. She could have done the same by proxy with the WDA thus making the WDA a confidence vote by proxy.
In which case may I suggest you read what the law actually says.
The amount of fun a Labour party could have in September as Boris tries to call an election will be a sight to behold.
Granted we do need an election but I think the pound of flesh required for Boris to get his wish will rather put him off...
Quite. Labour will obviously insist on an A 50 extension as the price of their support for an election.
I'll be blunt - Boris's one chance of a pre October 31st election was blown when he didn't ask for it as he stood outside 10 Downing Street last night..
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
Well you’re both nuts as far as I’m concerned.
Plain bonkers.
Romania’s (relative!) geographical proximity in no way makes them as akin we are to “middle Australia”. Nothing wrong with that, I’m sure there are loads of lovely engaging folk in downtown Bucharest but to claim and agree we are not like Australians? Ludicrous.
(Anyone likely to be opening the batting for Romania at Lord’s anytime soon? Just to be topical).
Any Australian clubs likely to be playing in the Europa League anytime soon? No, thought not.
So you can lay an October 2019 election at just 3.85 on BFE and win if it falls in any other month or year.
I do not understand the logic of the article. So what happens on 31st October ? If BJ can get Brexit through why should he call an election ? Surely, the election will be held before 31st October.
A September election works for me.
A September election is now impossible.
Heck I think the earliest possible date is now October 10th...
October 24th I am told.
That was if a vote of No Confidence occurs on in the first 2 days of Parliment returning.
Things hit November incredibly early...
Or, BJ challenges Corbyn on the day they return.
For an election - as discussed elsewhere - Labours response will be that they are happy to have one but we have 2 months of acts that need to go through parliament so if you extend to 31st December we will vote for said election.
EU citizens rights are now just being verbally guaranteed . So Bozo says don’t worry and that’s that .
The UK is fast turning into a Banana Republic and a failed state. Hopefully the EU will have a sympathetic refugee programme.
Verbally, May also said the same.
The government refuses to bring forward legislation , as they don’t want it amended . The UK is fucked. The lunatics have taken over . Scotland needs to escape ASAP.
Haven't the rights of UK citizens in the EU been guaranteed verbally too?
The EU can’t legislate for each member state as to how they deal with third country nationals in the future . Each country has its own rules . Most countries have already brought in legislation in the event of no deal to protect Brits .
And I’ll stress , legal and not some verbal promise .
Give me any ways at all that Romanians are more like the English than Australians are please. They are literally our kin anyway.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Absolute and total garbage.
Pick anyone random from England, blindfold them and drop them off randomly in either Melbourne or Bucharest. I know which one I think they will find most alike and which one most alien.
Which bit is garbage? Everything I said is completely factually correct. I doubt there are more than a handful of people in the UK who can speak a native language of Australia, plenty more can speak the relatively similar Romanian.
This is pathetic. When was the last time you went to Australia and struggled to converse with an Australian as you couldn't speak their language? Or are you trying to claim the only Australians are Aborigines?
Try using some real facts and evidence. I think you will find most people in England can speak English and oddly enough English is also a native language of Australia in 2019. According to their last census 76.8% of Australians speak English at home. Whereas 91% of Romanians speak Romanian at home according to their last census. So no more can speak the primary language of Australia than Romania you imbecile.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
Well you’re both nuts as far as I’m concerned.
Plain bonkers.
Romania’s (relative!) geographical proximity in no way makes them as akin we are to “middle Australia”. Nothing wrong with that, I’m sure there are loads of lovely engaging folk in downtown Bucharest but to claim and agree we are not like Australians? Ludicrous.
(Anyone likely to be opening the batting for Romania at Lord’s anytime soon? Just to be topical).
Any Australian clubs likely to be playing in the Europa League anytime soon? No, thought not.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
Well you’re both nuts as far as I’m concerned.
Plain bonkers.
Romania’s (relative!) geographical proximity in no way makes them as akin we are to “middle Australia”. Nothing wrong with that, I’m sure there are loads of lovely engaging folk in downtown Bucharest but to claim and agree we are not like Australians? Ludicrous.
(Anyone likely to be opening the batting for Romania at Lord’s anytime soon? Just to be topical).
Any Australian clubs likely to be playing in the Europa League anytime soon? No, thought not.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Ive worked with and met loads of Australians in the UK, Ive only ever worked with one Romanian. I'd suggest youre pushing a daft argument, Romanians really only made an impact post 2008 our relationship with Australia is much older and more deep.
EU citizens rights are now just being verbally guaranteed . So Bozo says don’t worry and that’s that .
The UK is fast turning into a Banana Republic and a failed state. Hopefully the EU will have a sympathetic refugee programme.
I'm feeling sad and doomy and gloomy.
I know it's my fault. I ought to be pumped and energized by the notion of national renaissance under a Winston Churchill for the 21st century but it just isn't ringing true to me. It's all feeling a bit ... not sure how best to put this ... kind of simultaneously silly and shoddy.
No, it's worse than that. We are being abused. And regardless of how dim we are we don't deserve it.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I’ve never been to Saskatchewan. Doubt I ever will. Airfares etc. However, I have zero doubt, not an iota, nor a smidgen that should I find myself in need of finding a hotel, a meal, a beer, and a chat with the locals, downtown Saskatoon is going to be a bloody sight easier than Transylvania.
So you can lay an October 2019 election at just 3.85 on BFE and win if it falls in any other month or year.
I do not understand the logic of the article. So what happens on 31st October ? If BJ can get Brexit through why should he call an election ? Surely, the election will be held before 31st October.
A September election works for me.
A September election is now impossible.
Heck I think the earliest possible date is now October 10th...
October 24th I am told.
That was if a vote of No Confidence occurs on in the first 2 days of Parliment returning.
Things hit November incredibly early...
Or, BJ challenges Corbyn on the day they return.
For an election - as discussed elsewhere - Labours response will be that they are happy to have one but we have 2 months of acts that need to go through parliament so if you extend to 31st December we will vote for said election.
Then Boris says no. And then what?
No election - Boris has to deal with the current Parliament.
We then break until after the Party Conferences (early October) at which point a No Confidence motion will be called.
I suspect by then a few Tory MPs may no longer be part of the Tory party...
@Philip_Thompson you should expel the ERG for not following the whip. Oh and Boris.
May was too cowardly to make the meaningful votes a confidence motion. More fool her.
If Grieve and co vote No Confidence in the government then expulsion will be automatic.
The ERG gave Grieve and co cover and could you really expel the ERG (May probably wanted to but Tory membership is far more right wing then the 5 yearly voter)...
Indeed the ERG did because they saw through it that it was a crap deal.
May had the option of making the WDA a Confidence motion but she didn't do so. No Deal is already the legal default so if Boris doesn't blink it will take a No Confidence motion to stop him.
Look, I know you're a no-dealer so even more stupid than the average Brexiteer, but May could NOT make the WDA a confidence motion. The only thing that is a confidence motion since the FTPA passed is a motion that "This House has no confidence
That's not what I said for her to say.
I said "if the WDA doesn't pass I'll remove the whip from anyone who voted against it and call an election".
May has the power to call an election, as she'd already demonstrated. I believe she has the power to remove the whip from people, as has happened in the past.
The PM does NOT have the power to call an election. The 2017 election was called bekcause a 2/3 majority of the Commons voted to call it, which is the procedure set out in the FTPA.
Procedure is different, practice is the same. In theory the PM didn't call the election pre-FTPA, Her Majesty the Queen did on the PM's advice. What matters is practice more than theory or procedure.
When Theresa May stood in Downing Street and called for an election to the world's gathered media she called the election, not the Commons. The Commons just ratified what she'd already called and the media had already moved into election mode before the Commons even voted. She could have done the same by proxy with the WDA thus making the WDA a confidence vote by proxy.
I’m sorry but that is so wrong it almost comes out the other side. The FTPA removes the right of the executive to call an early election. If the Commons had told May where to stick her election after she announced it an election would not have happened. That is not “calling an election”.
Just as previously if Her Majesty had told the Prime Minister where to stick her election it would not have happened.
EU citizens rights are now just being verbally guaranteed . So Bozo says don’t worry and that’s that .
The UK is fast turning into a Banana Republic and a failed state. Hopefully the EU will have a sympathetic refugee programme.
Verbally, May also said the same.
The government refuses to bring forward legislation , as they don’t want it amended . The UK is fucked. The lunatics have taken over . Scotland needs to escape ASAP.
Haven't the rights of UK citizens in the EU been guaranteed verbally too?
The EU can’t legislate for each member state as to how they deal with third country nationals in the future . Each country has its own rules . Most countries have already brought in legislation in the event of no deal to protect Brits .
And I’ll stress , legal and not some verbal promise .
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
Well you’re both nuts as far as I’m concerned.
Plain bonkers.
Romania’s (relative!) geographical proximity in no way makes them as akin we are to “middle Australia”. Nothing wrong with that, I’m sure there are loads of lovely engaging folk in downtown Bucharest but to claim and agree we are not like Australians? Ludicrous.
(Anyone likely to be opening the batting for Romania at Lord’s anytime soon? Just to be topical).
Any Australian clubs likely to be playing in the Europa League anytime soon? No, thought not.
Lol. Both play rugby- let’s find the common ground!
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
Well you’re both nuts as far as I’m concerned.
Plain bonkers.
Romania’s (relative!) geographical proximity in no way makes them as akin we are to “middle Australia”. Nothing wrong with that, I’m sure there are loads of lovely engaging folk in downtown Bucharest but to claim and agree we are not like Australians? Ludicrous.
(Anyone likely to be opening the batting for Romania at Lord’s anytime soon? Just to be topical).
My point was that it isn't so clear cut.
Certainly we have more in common with Romania than 30 years ago, and the trend is for Australia to see itself increasingly as an Asian country. This is particularly true since the White Australia policy ended in the Seventies. I have lived andd worked in Oz and have a lot of family there. We haven't reached crossover yet, but the point that we have more in common with Romania is getting closer.
If the question was whether we have more in common with the Dutch or Danes than Australia, or of course the Irish, the question is much more difficult.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
Well you’re both nuts as far as I’m concerned.
Plain bonkers.
Romania’s (relative!) geographical proximity in no way makes them as akin we are to “middle Australia”. Nothing wrong with that, I’m sure there are loads of lovely engaging folk in downtown Bucharest but to claim and agree we are not like Australians? Ludicrous.
(Anyone likely to be opening the batting for Romania at Lord’s anytime soon? Just to be topical).
EU citizens rights are now just being verbally guaranteed . So Bozo says don’t worry and that’s that .
The UK is fast turning into a Banana Republic and a failed state. Hopefully the EU will have a sympathetic refugee programme.
Verbally, May also said the same.
The government refuses to bring forward legislation , as they don’t want it amended . The UK is fucked. The lunatics have taken over . Scotland needs to escape ASAP.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I’ve never been to Saskatchewan. Doubt I ever will. Airfares etc. However, I have zero doubt, not an iota, nor a smidgen that should I find myself in need of finding a hotel, a meal, a beer, and a chat with the locals, downtown Saskatoon is going to be a bloody sight easier than Transylvania.
Cultural misunderstandings are possibly more likely to lead to you getting into trouble with the police in Saskatoon.
May was too cowardly to make the meaningful votes a confidence motion. More fool her.
If Grieve and co vote No Confidence in the government then expulsion will be automatic.
It may be different in your native Australia but since the Fixed Term Parliaments Act was passed only a motion in the prescribed form can be a confidence motion in the UK Parliament. You should probably research a bit about UK politics and procedure before posting so extensively about it.
I am not Australian, I'm English.
I've also written repeatedly how a post-FTPA confidence motion can be held. The legal procedure is different but the consequences are the same. Similarly pre-FTPA losing a vote that had been termed a confidence motion didn't automatically trigger an election by itself - there were procedures to follow afterwards. Now there are just different procedures to follow but the consquences are the same.
I’ve read them and, with respect, and speaking as a legal professional of some 20 years standing, they are bollocks.
Are you sure you are English? Your manner of phrasing and apparent distance from the English way of thinking would suggest otherwise.
Yes 100% sure. And I see no disconnect of phrasing or distance from the way of thinking. In fact I have voted with a plurality/majority of the English voters in every General Election or Referendum I've voted in bar one.
You just don’t come across as English - your suggestion that we are more akin to Australians than Europeans being but one example. I mean I’m sure there are plenty of Australians who have voted like English people while resident here but that doesn’t make them English.
We are massively more akin to Australians than Europeans, having lived in multiple towns and cities in both cities the difference between towns and cities is bigger than the differences between the countries.
Give me any ways at all that Romanians are more like the English than Australians are please. They are literally our kin anyway.
Simple. Romania is in Europe... Australia is an alien country... there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I’ve never been to Saskatchewan. Doubt I ever will. Airfares etc. However, I have zero doubt, not an iota, nor a smidgen that should I find myself in need of finding a hotel, a meal, a beer, and a chat with the locals, downtown Saskatoon is going to be a bloody sight easier than Transylvania.
I suspect the only difficulty would be a chat with the locals. Even then there would be a few youngsters wanting to practice their english...
Give me any ways at all that Romanians are more like the English than Australians are please. They are literally our kin anyway.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Absolute and total garbage.
Pick anyone random from England, blindfold them and drop them off randomly in either Melbourne or Bucharest. I know which one I think they will find most alike and which one most alien.
Which bit is garbage? Everything I said is completely factually correct. I doubt there are more than a handful of people in the UK who can speak a native language of Australia, plenty more can speak the relatively similar Romanian.
This is pathetic. When was the last time you went to Australia and struggled to converse with an Australian as you couldn't speak their language? Or are you trying to claim the only Australians are Aborigines?
Try using some real facts and evidence. I think you will find most people in England can speak English and oddly enough English is also a native language of Australia in 2019. According to their last census 76.8% of Australians speak English at home. Whereas 91% of Romanians speak Romanian at home according to their last census. So no more can speak the primary language of Australia than Romania you imbecile.
As I have explained above, I’ve never been to Australia because for me (and most people) it’s too far away. Romania isn’t. English is not a native Australian language. Just one that a lot of people speak there. The native languages of Australia are the aboriginal ones.
We have only known about Australia for 2 or 3 hundred years and our brief period of closeness (culturally and politically) has ended. We have been trading and working within Europe for millennia. Europe will always be there. Our dalliance with Australia is in the past.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I’ve never been to Saskatchewan. Doubt I ever will. Airfares etc. However, I have zero doubt, not an iota, nor a smidgen that should I find myself in need of finding a hotel, a meal, a beer, and a chat with the locals, downtown Saskatoon is going to be a bloody sight easier than Transylvania.
Cultural misunderstandings are possibly more likely to lead to you getting into trouble with the police in Saskatoon.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I’ve never been to Saskatchewan. Doubt I ever will. Airfares etc. However, I have zero doubt, not an iota, nor a smidgen that should I find myself in need of finding a hotel, a meal, a beer, and a chat with the locals, downtown Saskatoon is going to be a bloody sight easier than Transylvania.
I suspect the only difficulty would be a chat with the locals. Even then there would be a few youngsters wanting to practice their english...
So beam your average Brit down in Transylvania and it’s going to be as easy to function as prairie Canada?
EU citizens rights are now just being verbally guaranteed . So Bozo says don’t worry and that’s that .
The UK is fast turning into a Banana Republic and a failed state. Hopefully the EU will have a sympathetic refugee programme.
Verbally, May also said the same.
The government refuses to bring forward legislation , as they don’t want it amended . The UK is fucked. The lunatics have taken over . Scotland needs to escape ASAP.
Haven't the rights of UK citizens in the EU been guaranteed verbally too?
The EU can’t legislate for each member state as to how they deal with third country nationals in the future . Each country has its own rules . Most countries have already brought in legislation in the event of no deal to protect Brits .
And I’ll stress , legal and not some verbal promise .
If the question was whether we have more in common with the Dutch or Danes than Australia, or of course the Irish, the question is much more difficult.
It's still the wrong way of looking at it. We are European by definition. You can ask which European countries Australia has most in common with, but to ask whether we have more in common with Australia than some other European country is to get history backwards.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I’ve never been to Saskatchewan. Doubt I ever will. Airfares etc. However, I have zero doubt, not an iota, nor a smidgen that should I find myself in need of finding a hotel, a meal, a beer, and a chat with the locals, downtown Saskatoon is going to be a bloody sight easier than Transylvania.
Cultural misunderstandings are possibly more likely to lead to you getting into trouble with the police in Saskatoon.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I’ve never been to Saskatchewan. Doubt I ever will. Airfares etc. However, I have zero doubt, not an iota, nor a smidgen that should I find myself in need of finding a hotel, a meal, a beer, and a chat with the locals, downtown Saskatoon is going to be a bloody sight easier than Transylvania.
I suspect the only difficulty would be a chat with the locals. Even then there would be a few youngsters wanting to practice their english...
So beam your average Brit down in Transylvania and it’s going to be as easy to function as prairie Canada?
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
Doug Seal is clearly passing the spliff around.
It makes a pleasant change for the most ridiculous post of the evening not to be from HYUFD.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
Well you’re both nuts as far as I’m concerned.
Plain bonkers.
Romania’s (relative!) geographical proximity in no way makes them as akin we are to “middle Australia”. Nothing wrong with that, I’m sure there are loads of lovely engaging folk in downtown Bucharest but to claim and agree we are not like Australians? Ludicrous.
(Anyone likely to be opening the batting for Romania at Lord’s anytime soon? Just to be topical).
My point was that it isn't so clear cut.
Certainly we have more in common with Romania than 30 years ago, and the trend is for Australia to see itself increasingly as an Asian country. This is particularly true since the White Australia policy ended in the Seventies. I have lived andd worked in Oz and have a lot of family there. We haven't reached crossover yet, but the point that we have more in common with Romania is getting closer.
If the question was whether we have more in common with the Dutch or Danes than Australia, or of course the Irish, the question is much more difficult.
I doubt we have much more in common with Romania than we did 30 years ago but some Romanians might have more in common with us.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I’ve never been to Saskatchewan. Doubt I ever will. Airfares etc. However, I have zero doubt, not an iota, nor a smidgen that should I find myself in need of finding a hotel, a meal, a beer, and a chat with the locals, downtown Saskatoon is going to be a bloody sight easier than Transylvania.
At the risk of sounding like the Adams Family , we went for our Easter holiday to Transylvania . It was really pretty, cheap, safe and interesting (even beyond the Dracula /Vlad the Impaler folklore). The real inventor of the rocket was born there and they have an Halloween party at Draculas' castle!
Give me any ways at all that Romanians are more like the English than Australians are please. They are literally our kin anyway.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Absolute and total garbage.
Pick anyone random from England, blindfold them and drop them off randomly in either Melbourne or Bucharest. I know which one I think they will find most alike and which one most alien.
Which bit is garbage? Everything I said is completely factually correct. I doubt there are more than a handful of people in the UK who can speak a native language of Australia, plenty more can speak the relatively similar Romanian.
This is pathetic. When was the last time you went to Australia and struggled to converse with an Australian as you couldn't speak their language? Or are you trying to claim the only Australians are Aborigines?
Try using some real facts and evidence. I think you will find most people in England can speak English and oddly enough English is also a native language of Australia in 2019. According to their last census 76.8% of Australians speak English at home. Whereas 91% of Romanians speak Romanian at home according to their last census. So no more can speak the primary language of Australia than Romania you imbecile.
As I have explained above, I’ve never been to Australia because for me (and most people) it’s too far away. Romania isn’t. English is not a native Australian language. Just one that a lot of people speak there. The native languages of Australia are the aboriginal ones.
We have only known about Australia for 2 or 3 hundred years and our brief period of closeness (culturally and politically) has ended. We have been trading and working within Europe for millennia. Europe will always be there. Our dalliance with Australia is in the past.
English is in 2019 a native Australian language. People who were born and bred there speak it natively. Unless you're saying that people who were born and bred in Australia aren't real Australians because they're descended from migrants?
Would you say that about England? Are the only people who are truly English those who can claim at least four centuries of ancestry in this country? Or those who are racially pure?
If that's what you're claiming then you're more xenophobic than Nick Griffin.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Ive worked with and met loads of Australians in the UK, Ive only ever worked with one Romanian. I'd suggest youre pushing a daft argument, Romanians really only made an impact post 2008 our relationship with Australia is much older and more deep.
That’s absolute rubbish. People as recently as 1750s England likely had no idea Australia even existed - whereas we have had relationships with the whole of Europe, including Romania, from time immemorial. We were both provinces of the Roman Empire when no one had a slightest inkling Australia was there.
Bad day for Laura K and Jeremy C.. Jeremy is like a talk your weight machine and Laura has morphed into a Boris groupie. Why she can't bring herself to use the words October 31st and insists on 'Haloween' is a mystery. My own theory is she's got a deal with a face mask manufacturer
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Ive worked with and met loads of Australians in the UK, Ive only ever worked with one Romanian. I'd suggest youre pushing a daft argument, Romanians really only made an impact post 2008 our relationship with Australia is much older and more deep.
That’s absolute rubbish. People as recently as 1750s England likely had no idea Australia even existed - whereas we have had relationships with the whole of Europe, including Romania, from time immemorial. We were both provinces of the Roman Empire when no one had a slightest inkling Australia was there.
Yes, but then Australia was colonised/invaded (whatever takes your fancy) by the English. To argue they are alien is absurd.
If the question was whether we have more in common with the Dutch or Danes than Australia, or of course the Irish, the question is much more difficult.
It's still the wrong way of looking at it. We are European by definition. You can ask which European countries Australia has most in common with, but to ask whether we have more in common with Australia than some other European country is to get history backwards.
Of course, the reason that Canada and Australia are liike the United Kingdom is that our ancestors were very adept at ethnic cleansing and replacement of indiginous peoples.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I’ve never been to Saskatchewan. Doubt I ever will. Airfares etc. However, I have zero doubt, not an iota, nor a smidgen that should I find myself in need of finding a hotel, a meal, a beer, and a chat with the locals, downtown Saskatoon is going to be a bloody sight easier than Transylvania.
I suspect the only difficulty would be a chat with the locals. Even then there would be a few youngsters wanting to practice their english...
So beam your average Brit down in Transylvania and it’s going to be as easy to function as prairie Canada?
What planet are you people on?
I spend my entire working life in obscure places in Europe - there are few places where you couldn't sort out a bed and food within a few minutes and a asking a couple of people.
30 years ago I would accept your argument nowadays mobile phones, google translate and the internet remove all the difficulty...
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I’ve never been to Saskatchewan. Doubt I ever will. Airfares etc. However, I have zero doubt, not an iota, nor a smidgen that should I find myself in need of finding a hotel, a meal, a beer, and a chat with the locals, downtown Saskatoon is going to be a bloody sight easier than Transylvania.
I suspect the only difficulty would be a chat with the locals. Even then there would be a few youngsters wanting to practice their english...
So beam your average Brit down in Transylvania and it’s going to be as easy to function as prairie Canada?
What planet are you people on?
I spend my entire working life in obscure places in Europe - there are few places where you couldn't sort out a bed and food within a few minutes and a asking a couple of people.
30 years ago I would accept your argument nowadays mobile phones, google translate and the internet remove all the difficulty...
Who says you are getting a mobile phone when you are beamed down?
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Ive worked with and met loads of Australians in the UK, Ive only ever worked with one Romanian. I'd suggest youre pushing a daft argument, Romanians really only made an impact post 2008 our relationship with Australia is much older and more deep.
That’s absolute rubbish. People as recently as 1750s England likely had no idea Australia even existed - whereas we have had relationships with the whole of Europe, including Romania, from time immemorial. We were both provinces of the Roman Empire when no one had a slightest inkling Australia was there.
Give me any ways at all that Romanians are more like the English than Australians are please. They are literally our kin anyway.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Absolute and total garbage.
Pick anyone random from England, blindfold them and drop them off randomly in either Melbourne or Bucharest. I know which one I think they will find most alike and which one most alien.
Which bit is garbage? Everything I said is completely factually correct. I doubt there are more than a handful of people in the UK who can speak a native language of Australia, plenty more can speak the relatively similar Romanian.
This is pathetic. When was the last time you went to Australia and struggled to converse with an Australian as you couldn't speak their language? Or are you trying to claim the only Australians are Aborigines?
imbecile.
As I have explained above, I’ve never been to Australia because for me (and most people) it’s too far away. Romania isn’t. English is not a native Australian language. Just one that a lot of people speak there. The native languages of Australia are the aboriginal ones.
We have only known about Australia for 2 or 3 hundred years and our brief period of closeness (culturally and politically) has ended. We have been trading and working within Europe for millennia. Europe will always be there. Our dalliance with Australia is in the past.
English is in 2019 a native Australian language. People who were born and bred there speak it natively. Unless you're saying that people who were born and bred in Australia aren't real Australians because they're descended from migrants?
Would you say that about England? Are the only people who are truly English those who can claim at least four centuries of ancestry in this country? Or those who are racially pure?
If that's what you're claiming then you're more xenophobic than Nick Griffin.
People may speak it natively but only because imperialists with views like Nick Griffin transported people there.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I’ve never been to Saskatchewan. Doubt I ever will. Airfares etc. However, I have zero doubt, not an iota, nor a smidgen that should I find myself in need of finding a hotel, a meal, a beer, and a chat with the locals, downtown Saskatoon is going to be a bloody sight easier than Transylvania.
I suspect the only difficulty would be a chat with the locals. Even then there would be a few youngsters wanting to practice their english...
So beam your average Brit down in Transylvania and it’s going to be as easy to function as prairie Canada?
What planet are you people on?
I spend my entire working life in obscure places in Europe - there are few places where you couldn't sort out a bed and food within a few minutes and a asking a couple of people.
30 years ago I would accept your argument nowadays mobile phones, google translate and the internet remove all the difficulty...
30 years ago you’d not want to be dropped in the middle of Romania, for sure.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I’ve never been to Saskatchewan. Doubt I ever will. Airfares etc. However, I have zero doubt, not an iota, nor a smidgen that should I find myself in need of finding a hotel, a meal, a beer, and a chat with the locals, downtown Saskatoon is going to be a bloody sight easier than Transylvania.
I suspect the only difficulty would be a chat with the locals. Even then there would be a few youngsters wanting to practice their english...
So beam your average Brit down in Transylvania and it’s going to be as easy to function as prairie Canada?
What planet are you people on?
I spend my entire working life in obscure places in Europe - there are few places where you couldn't sort out a bed and food within a few minutes and a asking a couple of people.
30 years ago I would accept your argument nowadays mobile phones, google translate and the internet remove all the difficulty...
I’m not claiming it’s not easier than it was, it’s just clearly going to be easier in Canada for a whole host of reasons that Romania.
Fancy a referendum on freedom of movement between U.K./Canada or U.K. Romania? Here’s a clue - the former’s going to win.
Interesting. It does seem as if some of the Brexiteer shibboleths are being abandoned.
Not sure how it will play with the Tommy Robinson fans and Islamophobes.
The amnesty for illegal immigrants is an interesting one. Had Dave proposed that the Daily Mail would have gone apoplectic. With Boris they'll have to persuade their readers that it's a noble gesture from the Sunshine Man.
When I went to Transylvania they made a big thing of Prince Charles having lots of land there due to being related to a Romanian Countess. I think there are stronger and older links with Eastern Europe than we sometimes appreciate.
Give me any ways at all that Romanians are more like the English than Australians are please. They are literally our kin anyway.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Absolute and total garbage.
Pick anyone random from England, blindfold them and drop them off randomly in either Melbourne or Bucharest. I know which one I think they will find most alike and which one most alien.
Which bit is garbage? Everything I said is completely factually correct. I doubt there are more than a handful of people in the UK who can speak a native language of Australia, plenty more can speak the relatively similar Romanian.
This is pathetic. When was the last time you went to Australia and struggled to converse with an Australian as you couldn't speak their language? Or are you trying to claim the only Australians are Aborigines?
imbecile.
As I have explained above, I’ve never been to Australia because for me (and most people) it’s too far away. Romania isn’t. English is not a native Australian language. Just one that a lot of people speak there. The native languages of Australia are the aboriginal ones.
We have only known about Australia for 2 or 3 hundred years and our brief period of closeness (culturally and politically) has ended. We have been trading and working within Europe for millennia. Europe will always be there. Our dalliance with Australia is in the past.
English is in 2019 a native Australian language. People who were born and bred there speak it natively. Unless you're saying that people who were born and bred in Australia aren't real Australians because they're descended from migrants?
Would you say that about England? Are the only people who are truly English those who can claim at least four centuries of ancestry in this country? Or those who are racially pure?
If that's what you're claiming then you're more xenophobic than Nick Griffin.
People may speak it natively but only because imperialists with views like Nick Griffin transported people there.
Point of order!
Most Anglo-Australians are not descended from "Government Men", my Grandmother was of the generation that still felt the convict stain!
The problem Barnier has that if the WA is not signed then he will be always know in future as the man who held all the cards, had the worlds best negotiating team and still could not get a deal.
So anything he says take with a pinch of salt. it is the response of the leaders that is important.
yes, Barnier got greedy and atm has nothing to show for it but a big downside for everyone. Almost as stupid as Varadkar
If Mr Varadkar believes the EU will stand behind Ireland even at the cost of the German economy (already in the doldrums) then he does not understand who is in charge.
In what conceivable circumstance would there be a trade off between the two?
The purpose of a Union is solidarity, and the group standiing together to defend the interests of a member. The EU27 will stand by Ireland, not by the soon to be ex member. The backstop will not be renegotiated.
Brexit is an existential crisis for the UK. Irish reunification and Scottish Independence are increasingly close and increasingly certain. No Deal will be the fatal blow, and Scots and Irish know it.
+1. @Philip_Thompson - you asked me yesterday why the UK couldn’t exist outside the EU. Here’s your answer.
No it's not.
If the Irish or Scots choose to leave that is their choice and good luck to them.
If the Scots leave it's not the UK. And if the Northern Irish leave it's not the UKofGB&NI.
Opposite surely. The term "United Kingdom" only dates as part of the state's [sic] name since the union with Ireland in 1801. The entity created in 1707 was simply the "Kingdom of Great Britain" although it was often informally referred to as "the United Kingdom" (bearing in mind 18th century usage was more liberal with capitalization) at the time.
Apologies I thought it was known as the United Kingdom since the Act of Union. Anyway, whatever you want to call it, I think a name change is inevitable if any bits of it depart.
When I went to Transylvania they made a big thing of Prince Charles having lots of land there due to being related to a Romanian Countess. I think there are stronger and older links with Eastern Europe than we sometimes appreciate.
That pale into insignificance compared to our ties and links with Australia.
30 years ago you’d not want to be dropped in the middle of Romania, for sure.
Yep can't fault that argument. It's clear on my bi-weekly trips from Sofia to Sofia airport at the moment. Even after 30 years there is still a lot of poor quality Eastern Bloc housing..
People may speak it natively but only because imperialists with views like Nick Griffin transported people there.
You're pathetic.
Either way we are talking about Australia today as it actually exists, not some idealised Aborigine Australia you may wish to compare it to. England has more in common with Australia as it actually exists than it does with many European nations and I hope we can beat the convicts in The Ashes soon but am feeling less optimistic on that than 48 hours ago.
If you have some weird version of Australia in your head where Australians don't speak English then you are insane.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Ive worked with and met loads of Australians in the UK, Ive only ever worked with one Romanian. I'd suggest youre pushing a daft argument, Romanians really only made an impact post 2008 our relationship with Australia is much older and more deep.
That’s absolute rubbish. People as recently as 1750s England likely had no idea Australia even existed - whereas we have had relationships with the whole of Europe, including Romania, from time immemorial. We were both provinces of the Roman Empire when no one had a slightest inkling Australia was there.
Yes, but then Australia was colonised/invaded (whatever takes your fancy) by the English. To argue they are alien is absurd.
Australia was colonised/invaded (and very definitely ethnically cleansed) by the English you say?
If the question was whether we have more in common with the Dutch or Danes than Australia, or of course the Irish, the question is much more difficult.
It's still the wrong way of looking at it. We are European by definition. You can ask which European countries Australia has most in common with, but to ask whether we have more in common with Australia than some other European country is to get history backwards.
It’s an interesting question, since it touches on an oft-had discussion that cropped up here the other week; visitors to the US regularly report an alien non-European feel and culture despite the common language and history. The question would be why Australia doesn’t feel as different as the US?
If the question was whether we have more in common with the Dutch or Danes than Australia, or of course the Irish, the question is much more difficult.
It's still the wrong way of looking at it. We are European by definition. You can ask which European countries Australia has most in common with, but to ask whether we have more in common with Australia than some other European country is to get history backwards.
Of course, the reason that Canada and Australia are liike the United Kingdom is that our ancestors were very adept at ethnic cleansing and replacement of indiginous peoples.
That’s as may be or may not be, but it’s not remotely going to guilt trip innocent old me into thinking Romania is our best buddy over Australia,
Those nasty Italians did a fair bit of ethnic cleansing when they were branded Romans. You going to guilt trip them too or is it just us that gets the historical hand wringing?
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Ive worked with and met loads of Australians in the UK, Ive only ever worked with one Romanian. I'd suggest youre pushing a daft argument, Romanians really only made an impact post 2008 our relationship with Australia is much older and more deep.
That’s absolute rubbish. People as recently as 1750s England likely had no idea Australia even existed - whereas we have had relationships with the whole of Europe, including Romania, from time immemorial. We were both provinces of the Roman Empire when no one had a slightest inkling Australia was there.
lol
Romania didnt exist in the 1750s
you really are pushing a fuckwit argument
Romania was occupied by Turkey at the time but the Romanian people and the area that now constitutes Romania were well known here. The Australian landmass was completely unknown
Yes. Definitely a good one. It was unworkable anyway.
What about counting students as immigrants ? That's another daft May legacy.
I believe including students is the international standard.
Those that leave disappear in the net migration figures, but 20% of students (particularly those from Subcontinent and MENA) get permanant status, about 50 000 per year. It is right to include them in the figures.
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
Quite. I doubt I will ever go to Australia- the airfare and the length of flight alone make it prohibitive. A weekend in Bucharest or a holiday on the Black Sea coast is quite doable though.
I suspect the only difficulty would be a chat with the locals. Even then there would be a few youngsters wanting to practice their english...
So beam your average Brit down in Transylvania and it’s going to be as easy to function as prairie Canada?
What planet are you people on?
I spend my entire working life in obscure places in Europe - there are few places where you couldn't sort out a bed and food within a few minutes and a asking a couple of people.
30 years ago I would accept your argument nowadays mobile phones, google translate and the internet remove all the difficulty...
I’m not claiming it’s not easier than it was, it’s just clearly going to be easier in Canada for a whole host of reasons that Romania.
Fancy a referendum on freedom of movement between U.K./Canada or U.K. Romania? Here’s a clue - the former’s going to win.
Of course it would. The problem is not that many Canadians fancy coming to the UK for anything beyond a holiday or studying.
Rightly or wrongly successive govts have wanted immigration as we have an aging population that wants to live a comfortable lifestyle which requires a lot of low paid workers to support them. Boris is saying he wants immigrants. Those workers in care, nursing and services are not going to come from the rich countries we might most want immigrants from. They will come from poorer countries like Romania, those in Eastern Europe, Asia or Africa.
30 years ago you’d not want to be dropped in the middle of Romania, for sure.
Yep can't fault that argument. It's clear on my bi-weekly trips from Sofia to Sofia airport at the moment. Even after 30 years there is still a lot of poor quality Eastern Bloc housing..
At least people there are now allowed to speak to you without having to go file a report at the police station. Typewriters are legal, and there is actual fresh food in the shops.
Yes. Definitely a good one. It was unworkable anyway.
What about counting students as immigrants ? That's another daft May legacy.
I believe including students is the international standard.
Those that leave disappear in the net migration figures, but 20% of students (particularly those from Subcontinent and MENA) get permanant status, about 50 000 per year. It is right to include them in the figures.
Yeah - fiddling the numbers by moving away from an international standard just to make them look lower is not the right approach.
EU citizens rights are now just being verbally guaranteed . So Bozo says don’t worry and that’s that .
The UK is fast turning into a Banana Republic and a failed state. Hopefully the EU will have a sympathetic refugee programme.
Verbally, May also said the same.
The government refuses to bring forward legislation , as they don’t want it amended . The UK is fucked. The lunatics have taken over . Scotland needs to escape ASAP.
Haven't the rights of UK citizens in the EU been guaranteed verbally too?
The EU can’t legislate for each member state as to how they deal with third country nationals in the future . Each country has its own rules . Most countries have already brought in legislation in the event of no deal to protect Brits .
And I’ll stress , legal and not some verbal promise .
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Ive worked with and met loads of Australians in the UK, Ive only ever worked with one Romanian. I'd suggest youre pushing a daft argument, Romanians really only made an impact post 2008 our relationship with Australia is much older and more deep.
That’s absolute rubbish. People as recently as 1750s England likely had no idea Australia even existed - whereas we have had relationships with the whole of Europe, including Romania, from time immemorial. We were both provinces of the Roman Empire when no one had a slightest inkling Australia was there.
lol
Romania didnt exist in the 1750s
you really are pushing a fuckwit argument
Romania was occupied by Turkey at the time but the Romanian people and the area that now constitutes Romania were well known here. The Australian landmass was completely unknown
Just as previously if Her Majesty had told the Prime Minister where to stick her election it would not have happened.
The Crown would never have done that since Queen Anne's days.. Parliament might however....
Parliament won't. Parliament has no real choice when the LOTO and PM are both calling for one.
Once again you assume the LOTO will call one.
There is zero need for one to be called when waiting just a few weeks destroys your opposition...
The LOTO has called for one, on a daily basis for years now. All May needs to do is goad him into calling for one, then announcing that "yes we will have one" and he will be trapped with no way out. The idea that after saying on a daily basis for years including probably earlier that day and the day before that we need an election, that he can then turn around and say 'no thanks' is preposterous.
Maybe under a different LOTO it could be different, though unlikely. Under Corbyn? No chance!
EU citizens rights are now just being verbally guaranteed . So Bozo says don’t worry and that’s that .
The UK is fast turning into a Banana Republic and a failed state. Hopefully the EU will have a sympathetic refugee programme.
Verbally, May also said the same.
The government refuses to bring forward legislation , as they don’t want it amended . The UK is fucked. The lunatics have taken over . Scotland needs to escape ASAP.
Haven't the rights of UK citizens in the EU been guaranteed verbally too?
The EU can’t legislate for each member state as to how they deal with third country nationals in the future . Each country has its own rules . Most countries have already brought in legislation in the event of no deal to protect Brits .
And I’ll stress , legal and not some verbal promise .
When I went to Transylvania they made a big thing of Prince Charles having lots of land there due to being related to a Romanian Countess. I think there are stronger and older links with Eastern Europe than we sometimes appreciate.
That pale into insignificance compared to our ties and links with Australia.
Or the 1.3 million Brits living in Australia compared to the few thousand living in Romania....
Simple. Romania is in Europe as is the UK, both with European roots. Our native languages are Indo-European, the native languages of Australia are of –Pama–Nyungan family. Australia is an alien country literally in the other side of the world with roots in Asia and the Pacific. Admittedly there have been some European outposts established in the coast since 1789 but that doesn’t mean we are like them.
Australia is more alien than Romania?
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Considering I have never been to Australia, never met an Australian and never dealt with an Australian company but have met plenty of Romanians, have been to Romania and have dealt with Romanian companies - I would agree with DougSeal.
I wouldnt take your experience as representative.
I didn't say it was. However you can't say for sure that yours or RobD's experience is representative either.
How many Australians live and work in Nuneaton for example? What about Warsall? Burnley? Sunderland? How many people can afford thousands of pounds for flights to Australia on holiday?
Ive worked with and met loads of Australians in the UK, Ive only ever worked with one Romanian. I'd suggest youre pushing a daft argument, Romanians really only made an impact post 2008 our relationship with Australia is much older and more deep.
That’s absolute rubbish. People as recently as 1750s England likely had no idea Australia even existed - whereas we have had relationships with the whole of Europe, including Romania, from time immemorial. We were both provinces of the Roman Empire when no one had a slightest inkling Australia was there.
lol
Romania didnt exist in the 1750s
you really are pushing a fuckwit argument
Romania was occupied by Turkey at the time but the Romanian people and the area that now constitutes Romania were well known here. The Australian landmass was completely unknown
Just as previously if Her Majesty had told the Prime Minister where to stick her election it would not have happened.
The Crown would never have done that since Queen Anne's days.. Parliament might however....
Parliament won't. Parliament has no real choice when the LOTO and PM are both calling for one.
Once again you assume the LOTO will call one.
There is zero need for one to be called when waiting just a few weeks destroys your opposition...
The LOTO has called for one, on a daily basis for years now. All May needs to do is goad him into calling for one, then announcing that "yes we will have one" and he will be trapped with no way out. The idea that after saying on a daily basis for years including probably earlier that day and the day before that we need an election, that he can then turn around and say 'no thanks' is preposterous.
Maybe under a different LOTO it could be different, though unlikely. Under Corbyn? No chance!
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Cue videos on repeat of Boris stating we are leaving on October 31st with the word liar plastered over it...
And I’ll stress , legal and not some verbal promise .
Try using some real facts and evidence. I think you will find most people in England can speak English and oddly enough English is also a native language of Australia in 2019. According to their last census 76.8% of Australians speak English at home. Whereas 91% of Romanians speak Romanian at home according to their last census. So no more can speak the primary language of Australia than Romania you imbecile.
https://twitter.com/goodwinmj/status/1154419545366573056?s=21
I know it's my fault. I ought to be pumped and energized by the notion of national renaissance under a Winston Churchill for the 21st century but it just isn't ringing true to me. It's all feeling a bit ... not sure how best to put this ... kind of simultaneously silly and shoddy.
No, it's worse than that. We are being abused. And regardless of how dim we are we don't deserve it.
We then break until after the Party Conferences (early October) at which point a No Confidence motion will be called.
I suspect by then a few Tory MPs may no longer be part of the Tory party...
If the question was whether we have more in common with the Dutch or Danes than Australia, or of course the Irish, the question is much more difficult.
My point is, it is.
We have only known about Australia for 2 or 3 hundred years and our brief period of closeness (culturally and politically) has ended. We have been trading and working within Europe for millennia. Europe will always be there. Our dalliance with Australia is in the past.
Cameron's immigration pledge was something else - a lie.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/454731-biden-holds-wide-lead-in-south-carolina-poll
What planet are you people on?
Horseshit. As you well know.
Not sure how it will play with the Tommy Robinson fans and Islamophobes.
https://twitter.com/S_Hammond/status/1154432823903870982
There is zero need for one to be called when waiting just a few weeks destroys your opposition...
At the risk of sounding like the Adams Family , we went for our Easter holiday to Transylvania . It was really pretty, cheap, safe and interesting (even beyond the Dracula /Vlad the Impaler folklore). The real inventor of the rocket was born there and they have an Halloween party at Draculas' castle!
Would you say that about England? Are the only people who are truly English those who can claim at least four centuries of ancestry in this country? Or those who are racially pure?
If that's what you're claiming then you're more xenophobic than Nick Griffin.
30 years ago I would accept your argument nowadays mobile phones, google translate and the internet remove all the difficulty...
What about counting students as immigrants ? That's another daft May legacy.
Romania didnt exist in the 1750s
you really are pushing a fuckwit argument
"The war on cheap flights
Like the feudal lords of old, greens want to tie us to small patches of land.
Ben Pile"
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/25/the-war-on-cheap-flights/
Money distributed - amongst themselves.
Fancy a referendum on freedom of movement between U.K./Canada or U.K. Romania? Here’s a clue - the former’s going to win.
Most Anglo-Australians are not descended from "Government Men", my Grandmother was of the generation that still felt the convict stain!
https://twitter.com/ZaltzCricket/status/1154440975214882816
Either way we are talking about Australia today as it actually exists, not some idealised Aborigine Australia you may wish to compare it to. England has more in common with Australia as it actually exists than it does with many European nations and I hope we can beat the convicts in The Ashes soon but am feeling less optimistic on that than 48 hours ago.
If you have some weird version of Australia in your head where Australians don't speak English then you are insane.
Those nasty Italians did a fair bit of ethnic cleansing when they were branded Romans. You going to guilt trip them too or is it just us that gets the historical hand wringing?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/25/belgian-drug-suspects-call-police-getting-stuck-shipping-container/
Rightly or wrongly successive govts have wanted immigration as we have an aging population that wants to live a comfortable lifestyle which requires a lot of low paid workers to support them. Boris is saying he wants immigrants. Those workers in care, nursing and services are not going to come from the rich countries we might most want immigrants from. They will come from poorer countries like Romania, those in Eastern Europe, Asia or Africa.
Maybe under a different LOTO it could be different, though unlikely. Under Corbyn? No chance!
Eh? Disingenuous bollocks as per.