Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
Just what would it take for Watson to feel bold enough to either launch a coup or lead a breakaway?
He knows he can do more damage on the inside, a break away of the Labour right will be about as successful as the last one. Another coup attempt will be about as successful as the last one.
Edit: not that there can't be attempts to shame him into resigning but there is an obvious flaw in that plan...
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
I can't believe you are weaponising Jennie's cancer treatment. Pretty despicable to be honest. You should be ashamed.
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
No
McCluskey is the disgrace and to ordinary voters his foul mouthed rant is another nail in the Corbyn project
You are so blind you do not see the damage this is doing to a once proud labour party
Just what would it take for Watson to feel bold enough to either launch a coup or lead a breakaway?
He knows he can do more damage on the inside, a break away of the Labour right will be about as successful as the last one. Another coup attempt will be about as successful as the last one.
Not if over 100 sane labour mps resign the whip and form their own group
Uncompromisingly remain and anti semitism would be a very popular move
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
I can't believe you are weaponising Jennie's cancer treatment. Pretty despicable to be honest. You should be ashamed.
You can't help but wonder how Thangam Debonnaire feels about the attack dogs being turned out to defend Jennie Formby while she has cancer, while Debonnaire had them set on her in effect for having it.
Just what would it take for Watson to feel bold enough to either launch a coup or lead a breakaway?
He knows he can do more damage on the inside, a break away of the Labour right will be about as successful as the last one. Another coup attempt will be about as successful as the last one.
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
Tom Watson is a disgrace then so is Corbyn, remember he sacked Thagnam Debbonaire when she battling cancer.
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
More red on red .... blood on the carpet and plenty of it.
Just what would it take for Watson to feel bold enough to either launch a coup or lead a breakaway?
He knows he can do more damage on the inside, a break away of the Labour right will be about as successful as the last one. Another coup attempt will be about as successful as the last one.
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
Tom Watson is a disgrace then so is Corbyn, remember he sacked Thagnam Debbonaire when she battling cancer.
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
I can't believe you are weaponising Jennie's cancer treatment. Pretty despicable to be honest. You should be ashamed.
I can't believe your sticking up for Tom, it's quite telling that if an MP is pregnant or a woman or one of a variety of other things thatsome think can be used as sticks against Corbyn it's the end of the world if one person wants to vonc them.
Watson plays political games to drag Frombys name through the media despite her making time to answer any questions he had previously but he stayed quiet and this whilst she's having chemotherapy and people are four square behind him. Fucking hypocrites, tbh I assumed it was usually cynical bs anyway.
It's going to make it all the more weaker next time the cynical attack is tried.
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
More red on red .... blood on the carpet and plenty of it.
What could possibly be go wrong ?
Don’t tell them Pike it’s all going according to plan
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
More red on red .... blood on the carpet and plenty of it.
What could possibly be go wrong ?
The people's carpet is deepest red It took on all our martyred dead And ere their bodies grew stiff and cold We branded them traitors to the movement and posthumously called them fucking disgraces before expelling them.
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
I can't believe you are weaponising Jennie's cancer treatment. Pretty despicable to be honest. You should be ashamed.
I can't believe your sticking up for Tom, it's quite telling that if an MP is pregnant or a woman or one of a variety of other things thatsome think can be used as sticks against Corbyn it's the end of the world if one person wants to vonc them.
Watson plays political games to drag Frombys name through the media despite her making time to answer any questions he had previously but he stayed quiet and this whilst she's having chemotherapy and people are four square behind him. Fucking hypocrites, tbh I assumed it was usually cynical bs anyway.
It's going to make it all the more weaker next time the cynical attack is tried.
That's a whole lot of waffle to try and justify weaponising Jennie's cancer treatment.
If there's one thing that distinguishes the Leave campaign then and now, it's their stoic, stiff upper lipped reluctance to whine about project fear, government bullying and media bias. Most admirable.
The difference between Leaves and Scots is that we dismissed Project Fear. You [Scots collectively] fell for it.
Both sets of Project Fear were IMHO utter garbage, both sets of government propaganda [on both sides in the Scottish case] were pretty garbage and media bias cuts both ways and is standard. But only one side let Project Fear win. Shame on them.
Why should anyone be ashamed for any way they voted? What a ridiculous statement.
The whole Remainer campaign both before and after the 2016 vote has been based on trying to tell Leave voters they should be ashamed of how they voted. See the endless posts from Mr Meeks as example.
Well, yes. I'm sure he's mystified as to why more people haven't flocked to such a charming message.
In case you hadn’t noticed, the polls consistently show that more people now believe the decision to Leave was a mistake. The death cult have got more extreme in response as they seek to drag the country out of the EU on hostile terms against its better judgement,
On the contrary, what has been shown is that in the face of a chicken licken/Jacob Marley/Scream by Munch meltdown by much of our political class about the HUGE DIFFICULTIES AND INEVITABLE CHAOS AND DOOM of leaving an organisation that does not so much as keep the streets swept, there has been embarrassingly little movement in polling.
Furthermore, the emphasis being so loaded on to the doom of leaving, rather than the benefits of staying (chortle), means that unless Leave is a disaster on the mythical scale that has been promised, any advantage for remain that may be have been gained utterly vanishes when we leave and life on earth survives.
As, subconsciously or consciously, remain campaigners realise this, the stories have to get more and more outlandish and doom-laden for fear that we leave. The whole thing is an undedifying mess. And then the same people complain about the lack of respect for politics...
It is normal on the passing of new policies for them to become more popular. Brexit exceptionally has bucked that trend. Presumably because your brand of rancid insular xenophobia has topped out its maximum support.
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
Tom Watson is a disgrace then so is Corbyn, remember he sacked Thagnam Debbonaire when she battling cancer.
Genuine question: is Jennie Formby currently in post or is she taking a break for her treatment?
If she's still working, why shouldn't she be responsible for what happens within the Labour Party considering that is her job? Her illness does not give her a free pass for everything.
That is very different to Corbynistas threatening to sack a pregnant MP for no reason at all.
On Boris winning London in 2008, not only was it a time that the Tories were point well, but it was also at the height of Cameron's detoxification.
Boris won London as a socially liberal, pro-business, pro-immigration internationaist, the very opposite of the f**k business nativism that he now espouses. He wouldn't come close to winning now, and it is quite possible that he will lose his own seat.
In 2012 Bozo was almost a safe pair of hands up against Ken well into his loopy period. I was prepared to give him my second pref to stop Ken. Today I would give almost anyone a first pref if if would stop the Bozo.
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
I can't believe you are weaponising Jennie's cancer treatment. Pretty despicable to be honest. You should be ashamed.
I can't believe your sticking up for Tom, it's quite telling that if an MP is pregnant or a woman or one of a variety of other things thatsome think can be used as sticks against Corbyn it's the end of the world if one person wants to vonc them.
Watson plays political games to drag Frombys name through the media despite her making time to answer any questions he had previously but he stayed quiet and this whilst she's having chemotherapy and people are four square behind him. Fucking hypocrites, tbh I assumed it was usually cynical bs anyway.
It's going to make it all the more weaker next time the cynical attack is tried.
That's a whole lot of waffle to try and justify weaponising Jennie's cancer treatment.
That's an interesting way of you saying you have no counter argument
It now says that tickets are available for the cricket final on the official ICC website. Until now it had said sold out. Maybe people with tickets were trying to sell them at inflated prices on third party websites but couldn't find many takers.
Genuine question: is Jennie Formby currently in post or is she taking a break for her treatment?
If she's still working, why shouldn't she be responsible for what happens within the Labour Party considering that is her job? Her illness does not give her a free pass for everything.
That is very different to Corbynistas threatening to sack a pregnant MP for no reason at all.
The situation appears to be that she is on sick leave, but came back to deal with the fallout from Panorama. In the meanwhile her duties are being taken over by Karie Murphy and Laura Murray.
However, if I understand employment law correctly, breaching her sick leave in that way means she is no longer entitled to take it and should therefore be back in post. I wonder if Labour have considered that.
(Any lawyer who knows differently please correct me if I'm wrong because I do need to know for other reasons.)
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
Tom Watson is a disgrace then so is Corbyn, remember he sacked Thagnam Debbonaire when she battling cancer.
Genuine question: is Jennie Formby currently in post or is she taking a break for her treatment?
If she's still working, why shouldn't she be responsible for what happens within the Labour Party considering that is her job? Her illness does not give her a free pass for everything.
That is very different to Corbynistas threatening to sack a pregnant MP for no reason at all.
The situation appears to be that she is on sick leave, but came back to deal with the fallout from Panorama. In the meanwhile her duties are being taken over by Karie Murphy and Laura Murray.
However, if I understand employment law correctly, breaching her sick leave in that way means she is no longer entitled to take it and should therefore be back in post. I wonder if Labour have considered that.
(Any lawyer who knows differently please correct me if I'm wrong because I do need to know for other reasons.)
Thanks. So what exactly has Tom Watson done to slight her? @TheJezziah care to enlighten me?
There are thousands of people who are living with cancer, living with the consequences of cancer and living through their cancer treatment - all whilst continuing to work to the best of their abilities under very difficult circumstances.
No-one should be attacked because they have cancer. But also no-one should automatically be exempt from legitimate criticism of their work performance (before the treatment started) because of their diagnosis.
The special pleading that is going on is patronising at best towards those living with cancer and at worst deeply distasteful by using a serious medical condition to deflect attention from what is a very serious situation within the Labour Party.
I wish Jennie Formby all the very best with her ongoing battle to beat cancer. I never want to see anyone suffer from this most pernicious of conditions. People living with cancer should be treated with compassion and respect.
But I do not believe that she is automatically immune from criticism for her actions and the actions of those working under her.
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
I can't believe you are weaponising Jennie's cancer treatment. Pretty despicable to be honest. You should be ashamed.
I can't believe your sticking up for Tom, it's quite telling that if an MP is pregnant or a woman or one of a variety of other things thatsome think can be used as sticks against Corbyn it's the end of the world if one person wants to vonc them.
Watson plays political games to drag Frombys name through the media despite her making time to answer any questions he had previously but he stayed quiet and this whilst she's having chemotherapy and people are four square behind him. Fucking hypocrites, tbh I assumed it was usually cynical bs anyway.
It's going to make it all the more weaker next time the cynical attack is tried.
That's a whole lot of waffle to try and justify weaponising Jennie's cancer treatment.
That's an interesting way of you saying you have no counter argument
What argument is there in your post that needs countering?
Genuine question: is Jennie Formby currently in post or is she taking a break for her treatment?
If she's still working, why shouldn't she be responsible for what happens within the Labour Party considering that is her job? Her illness does not give her a free pass for everything.
That is very different to Corbynistas threatening to sack a pregnant MP for no reason at all.
I really think it’s time we left ‘the two main parties’ to their internal self destruct mode. They don’t need our help on the way they are quite capable of doing it on their own.
Genuine question: is Jennie Formby currently in post or is she taking a break for her treatment?
If she's still working, why shouldn't she be responsible for what happens within the Labour Party considering that is her job? Her illness does not give her a free pass for everything.
That is very different to Corbynistas threatening to sack a pregnant MP for no reason at all.
The situation appears to be that she is on sick leave, but came back to deal with the fallout from Panorama. In the meanwhile her duties are being taken over by Karie Murphy and Laura Murray.
However, if I understand employment law correctly, breaching her sick leave in that way means she is no longer entitled to take it and should therefore be back in post. I wonder if Labour have considered that.
(Any lawyer who knows differently please correct me if I'm wrong because I do need to know for other reasons.)
Thanks. So what exactly has Tom Watson done to slight her? @TheJezziah care to enlighten me?
Genuine question: is Jennie Formby currently in post or is she taking a break for her treatment?
If she's still working, why shouldn't she be responsible for what happens within the Labour Party considering that is her job? Her illness does not give her a free pass for everything.
That is very different to Corbynistas threatening to sack a pregnant MP for no reason at all.
Interesting plural there, once again need to check your facts. The story was about a single person who wanted a vonc who we can't even be sure knew she was pregnant.
Tom knows Jennie is having chemotherapy, she came back to an NEC meeting whilst off to answer questions. Tom saw this as his chance to drag her name through the mud, nobody is saying she cannot be criticised.
Just what would it take for Watson to feel bold enough to either launch a coup or lead a breakaway?
It is astonishing how supine Tom Watson and others are.
He believes - probably rightly - that the brand has immense value
He also has one chance at a challenge. If he fails he loses the deputy leadership - which is probably the key position of power the moderates have
The parched corpses of TIG/CUK lie as a warning to anyone thinking of straying off the path. Now only the LDs offer even a halfway viable future and there are relatively few Lab MPs who could make a success of that jump.
It does appear that Tom should have directed his letter towards Karie Murphy and/or Laura Murray in lieu of Jennie Thormby being on sick leave.
However if she still has significant day-to-day involvement with the issue, despite her sick leave, it is reasonable for Tom to direct his criticism towards her, despite her illness.
The fact she has cancer does also not invalidate Tom's criticisms.
I think the real issue with Formby is not whether she's ill, because she is, or that she's incompetent, because she's clearly that too. Both are facts and neither are going anywhere, although I do hope that she recovers from her cancer which isn't funny for her or her daughter.
The real issue is she was appointed in a blatant act of cronyism despite being manifestly unsuited to the role to put more power in the hands of McCluskey. And that would appear to be why he's going up the wall now - he sees his control of the Party machine through her, Murphy and Corbyn slipping away.
Misleading figures since in SW Surrey in recent years the opposition vote has been heavily split with the National Health Action Party candidate.
You can play numbers other ways. Regrettably Uxbridge and South Ruislip has no history before 2010 but in 2010 for comparison the vote share for the Tories was:
2010 Uxbridge and South Ruislip: 48.3% 2010 SW Surrey: 58.7%
Fast forward to 2017 2017 Uxbridge and South Ruislip: 50.8% 2017 SW Surrey: 55.7%
Net change: Uxbridge and South Ruislip: Conservatives have GAINED 2.5% SW Surrey: Conservatives have LOST 3.0%
Boris has done in like-for-like timeframe 5.5% BETTER than Hunt.
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
I can't believe you are weaponising Jennie's cancer treatment. Pretty despicable to be honest. You should be ashamed.
I can't believe your sticking up for Tom, it's quite telling that if an MP is pregnant or a woman or one of a variety of other things thatsome think can be used as sticks against Corbyn it's the end of the world if one person wants to vonc them.
Watson plays political games to drag Frombys name through the media despite her making time to answer any questions he had previously but he stayed quiet and this whilst she's having chemotherapy and people are four square behind him. Fucking hypocrites, tbh I assumed it was usually cynical bs anyway.
It's going to make it all the more weaker next time the cynical attack is tried.
So you think the Gen Sec of the Labour Party should be immune from any criticism while she is undergoing chemo? She didn't seem to have showed much concern for the health of other Labour Party employees.
Genuine question: is Jennie Formby currently in post or is she taking a break for her treatment?
If she's still working, why shouldn't she be responsible for what happens within the Labour Party considering that is her job? Her illness does not give her a free pass for everything.
That is very different to Corbynistas threatening to sack a pregnant MP for no reason at all.
The situation appears to be that she is on sick leave, but came back to deal with the fallout from Panorama. In the meanwhile her duties are being taken over by Karie Murphy and Laura Murray.
However, if I understand employment law correctly, breaching her sick leave in that way means she is no longer entitled to take it and should therefore be back in post. I wonder if Labour have considered that.
(Any lawyer who knows differently please correct me if I'm wrong because I do need to know for other reasons.)
IANAL but my understand of employment law is different.
I believe that you can have continuity of sick leave even if you return to work then return to being off sick again. In fact for example for things like SSP if you are off sick and return to work for a few days then swiftly return to being off then it is specifically considered one continuous illness and not two separate illnesses.
Question: why do you see more military personnel at the Wimbledon tennis championships than practically any other event in the UK?
A few things that might answer your query
Although the Armed Forces personnel have to use part of their allocated leave to steward at Wimbledon, they appreciate the opportunity to serve on such hallowed grounds.
Genuine question: is Jennie Formby currently in post or is she taking a break for her treatment?
If she's still working, why shouldn't she be responsible for what happens within the Labour Party considering that is her job? Her illness does not give her a free pass for everything.
That is very different to Corbynistas threatening to sack a pregnant MP for no reason at all.
I really think it’s time we left ‘the two main parties’ to their internal self destruct mode. They don’t need our help on the way they are quite capable of doing it on their own.
If we think the polling at the moment is funny a.k.a. complicated to interpret, think what it'd be like if there was full blown Tory and/or Labour splits...
Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
Tom Watson is a disgrace then so is Corbyn, remember he sacked Thagnam Debbonaire when she battling cancer.
It may be sh1tty on a personal level but it’s not a free pass
I could not agree more. Most people with cancer simply have to keep on doing all the stuff they have to do, which includes taking responsiblity for current and previous actions.
As an observation, Boris's record in Henley is worth a look. It is a seat that has voted Conservative or Unionist at every election since 1910 and only once (1906) have the Liberals won it.
That was a decent election - 1906 - perhaps 2019 could be like it.
Anyway. Heseltine won in 1997 polling 46.4% of the vote and Johnson took over in 2001 and won 46.1% of the vote with a small swing to the LDs and a lower turnout bringing the majority down to 8,500.
In 2005, Johnson took the Conservative vote share back to 53.5% and his majority back to just shy of 13,000 which in the context of the election was a good result - the LDs lost vote share so it was a decent 4.25% swing to the Conservatives.
At the 2008 by-election John Howell got 57% of the vote and that's hardly changed since - up to 59% in 2017. That's far less dramatic then many other seats. On the current 15% swing from Conservative to LD the majority would be cut from 22,000 and change to 8,500. The LDs have only polled above 30% once since the war and that was in February 1974 (29% in 1983). I could imagine a 35% vote share in the current climate.
Oh dear. I am no Boris fan at all but it is shame that when various people have already pointed out the error in your interpretation, you persist with a misleading claim.
Just what would it take for Watson to feel bold enough to either launch a coup or lead a breakaway?
It is astonishing how supine Tom Watson and others are.
He believes - probably rightly - that the brand has immense value
He also has one chance at a challenge. If he fails he loses the deputy leadership - which is probably the key position of power the moderates have
The parched corpses of TIG/CUK lie as a warning to anyone thinking of straying off the path. Now only the LDs offer even a halfway viable future and there are relatively few Lab MPs who could make a success of that jump.
Just found out that Tim Dexter is a friend of a friend - and has been agonising for months over this. There is no question in my mind as to his sincerity or credibility
If there's one thing that distinguishes the Leave campaign then and now, it's their stoic, stiff upper lipped reluctance to whine about project fear, government bullying and media bias. Most admirable.
The difference between Leaves and Scots is that we dismissed Project Fear. You [Scots collectively] fell for it.
Both sets of Project Fear were IMHO utter garbage, both sets of government propaganda [on both sides in the Scottish case] were pretty garbage and media bias cuts both ways and is standard. But only one side let Project Fear win. Shame on them.
Why should anyone be ashamed for any way they voted? What a ridiculous statement.
The whole Remainer campaign both before and after the 2016 vote has been based on trying to tell Leave voters they should be ashamed of how they voted. See the endless posts from Mr Meeks as example.
Well, yes. I'm sure he's mystified as to why more people haven't flocked to such a charming message.
In case you hadn’t noticed, the polls consistently show that more people now believe the decision to Leave was a mistake. The death cult have got more extreme in response as they seek to drag the country out of the EU on hostile terms against its better judgement,
On the contrary, what has been shown is that in the face of a chicken licken/Jacob Marley/Scream by Munch meltdown by much of our political class about the HUGE DIFFICULTIES AND INEVITABLE CHAOS AND DOOM of leaving an organisation that does not so much as keep the streets swept, there has been embarrassingly little movement in polling.
Furthermore, the emphasis being so loaded on to the doom of leaving, rather than the benefits of staying (chortle), means that unless Leave is a disaster on the mythical scale that has been promised, any advantage for remain that may be have been gained utterly vanishes when we leave and life on earth survives.
As, subconsciously or consciously, remain campaigners realise this, the stories have to get more and more outlandish and doom-laden for fear that we leave. The whole thing is an undedifying mess. And then the same people complain about the lack of respect for politics...
It is normal on the passing of new policies for them to become more popular. Brexit exceptionally has bucked that trend. Presumably because your brand of rancid insular xenophobia has topped out its maximum support.
Yes. And when this one passes, the same thing will happen.
Oh dear. I am no Boris fan at all but it is shame that when various people have already pointed out the error in your interpretation, you persist with a misleading claim.
Yet you were happy to campaign for but get outraged by this bar chart.
The worst thing about this whole Labour anti-semitism saga is that people, on the whole, just don’t care.
As someone of Jewish heritage myself it makes me very depressed.
No its far far worse than that. Cretinous scum do care, they care because the truth about their sick cancer death cult has come out. Hence their screaming hypocrisy attacking whistle blowers "who keep us safe" and libelling the former party staffers.
Soon we will have two Labour Parties represented in Parliament as in the past we have had two Liberal Parties. I expect two Tory Parties shortly afterwards when PM Bozza demands no deal in "shock" at the EU refusing to renegotiate
If Boris Johnson wins with the Tory leadership with the majority that YouGov are predicting he'll still receive fewer votes than Owen Smith received when he lost the Labour leadership contest in 2016.
Heck it is likely that the Owen Smith received more votes (193,229) than there are Tory members.
Oh dear. I am no Boris fan at all but it is shame that when various people have already pointed out the error in your interpretation, you persist with a misleading claim.
Yet you were happy to campaign for but get outraged by this bar chart.
If Boris Johnson wins with the Tory leadership with the majority that YouGov are predicting he'll still receive fewer votes than Owen Smith received when he lost the Labour leadership contest in 2016.
Heck it is likely that the Owen Smith received more votes (193,229) than there are Tory members.
The worst thing about this whole Labour anti-semitism saga is that people, on the whole, just don’t care.
As someone of Jewish heritage myself it makes me very depressed.
No its far far worse than that. Cretinous scum do care, they care because the truth about their sick cancer death cult has come out. Hence their screaming hypocrisy attacking whistle blowers "who keep us safe" and libelling the former party staffers.
Soon we will have two Labour Parties represented in Parliament as in the past we have had two Liberal Parties. I expect two Tory Parties shortly afterwards when PM Bozza demands no deal in "shock" at the EU refusing to renegotiate
Except we wont. Corbynistas will cling onto power. Labour MPs will not do anything. The general public will become numb (this has already happened) and then eventually he will be voted into Downing Street.
Oh dear. I am no Boris fan at all but it is shame that when various people have already pointed out the error in your interpretation, you persist with a misleading claim.
Yet you were happy to campaign for but get outraged by this bar chart.
That’s a slide deck that’s now more referred to by Remainers than Leavers. Curious that.
The worst thing about this whole Labour anti-semitism saga is that people, on the whole, just don’t care.
As someone of Jewish heritage myself it makes me very depressed.
No its far far worse than that. Cretinous scum do care, they care because the truth about their sick cancer death cult has come out. Hence their screaming hypocrisy attacking whistle blowers "who keep us safe" and libelling the former party staffers.
Soon we will have two Labour Parties represented in Parliament as in the past we have had two Liberal Parties. I expect two Tory Parties shortly afterwards when PM Bozza demands no deal in "shock" at the EU refusing to renegotiate
From 1931-35 there were actually three Liberal parties - the official party led by Samuel, the National Liberals led by Simon, and the Lloyd George group of independent Liberals.
The worst thing about this whole Labour anti-semitism saga is that people, on the whole, just don’t care.
As someone of Jewish heritage myself it makes me very depressed.
No its far far worse than that. Cretinous scum do care, they care because the truth about their sick cancer death cult has come out. Hence their screaming hypocrisy attacking whistle blowers "who keep us safe" and libelling the former party staffers.
Soon we will have two Labour Parties represented in Parliament as in the past we have had two Liberal Parties. I expect two Tory Parties shortly afterwards when PM Bozza demands no deal in "shock" at the EU refusing to renegotiate
Except we wont. Corbynistas will cling onto power. Labour MPs will not do anything. The general public will become numb (this has already happened) and then eventually he will be voted into Downing Street.
He won't. He is Labour voter kyptonite. Only the death cultists still think He is Perfect. Everyone with a heart and a brain can see what a godawful group of people he represents. And he has pissed off leave and remain voters in equal measure. Labour would need a coalition deal. And can't do compromise to have a coalition with their own deputy leader.
St John’s Wood used to be the only tube station that had none of the letters of the word MACKEREL in it. Perhaps Sunil could confirm if that is still true.
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Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.
Edit: not that there can't be attempts to shame him into resigning but there is an obvious flaw in that plan...
McCluskey is the disgrace and to ordinary voters his foul mouthed rant is another nail in the Corbyn project
You are so blind you do not see the damage this is doing to a once proud labour party
Uncompromisingly remain and anti semitism would be a very popular move
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-shadow-cabinet-thangam-debbonaire-cancer-a7141341.html
What could possibly be go wrong ?
BlairiteAgent of IsraelTory so it doesn't count.Hard to argue with that analysis, tbf.
Can we add McCluskey to that list as well, even though it's quite sweet to see he's standing up for one of the few women willing to sleep with him.
Brexif was a typo but strangely apposite
Watson plays political games to drag Frombys name through the media despite her making time to answer any questions he had previously but he stayed quiet and this whilst she's having chemotherapy and people are four square behind him. Fucking hypocrites, tbh I assumed it was usually cynical bs anyway.
It's going to make it all the more weaker next time the cynical attack is tried.
It took on all our martyred dead
And ere their bodies grew stiff and cold
We branded them traitors to the movement and posthumously called them fucking disgraces before expelling them.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1150120747135885313
Let's see the condemnation from the people on here taking Tom Watsons side now?
Ohhh wait that's different... Jennie is left wing so the wrong kind of cancer sufferer!
If she's still working, why shouldn't she be responsible for what happens within the Labour Party considering that is her job? Her illness does not give her a free pass for everything.
That is very different to Corbynistas threatening to sack a pregnant MP for no reason at all.
He also has one chance at a challenge. If he fails he loses the deputy leadership - which is probably the key position of power the moderates have
It now says that tickets are available for the cricket final on the official ICC website. Until now it had said sold out. Maybe people with tickets were trying to sell them at inflated prices on third party websites but couldn't find many takers.
However, if I understand employment law correctly, breaching her sick leave in that way means she is no longer entitled to take it and should therefore be back in post. I wonder if Labour have considered that.
(Any lawyer who knows differently please correct me if I'm wrong because I do need to know for other reasons.)
It may be sh1tty on a personal level but it’s not a free pass
No-one should be attacked because they have cancer. But also no-one should automatically be exempt from legitimate criticism of their work performance (before the treatment started) because of their diagnosis.
The special pleading that is going on is patronising at best towards those living with cancer and at worst deeply distasteful by using a serious medical condition to deflect attention from what is a very serious situation within the Labour Party.
I wish Jennie Formby all the very best with her ongoing battle to beat cancer. I never want to see anyone suffer from this most pernicious of conditions. People living with cancer should be treated with compassion and respect.
But I do not believe that she is automatically immune from criticism for her actions and the actions of those working under her.
Tom knows Jennie is having chemotherapy, she came back to an NEC meeting whilst off to answer questions. Tom saw this as his chance to drag her name through the mud, nobody is saying she cannot be criticised.
However if she still has significant day-to-day involvement with the issue, despite her sick leave, it is reasonable for Tom to direct his criticism towards her, despite her illness.
The fact she has cancer does also not invalidate Tom's criticisms.
Virginia B held the seat from its creation until 2005.
The typical majority was c 15k
In 1997 it was 2,500 and 861 in 2001
So you are measuring Hunt’s performance from the historical low point and a clear anomaly
The real issue is she was appointed in a blatant act of cronyism despite being manifestly unsuited to the role to put more power in the hands of McCluskey. And that would appear to be why he's going up the wall now - he sees his control of the Party machine through her, Murphy and Corbyn slipping away.
https://twitter.com/ObserverUK/status/1150121228092542976
You can play numbers other ways. Regrettably Uxbridge and South Ruislip has no history before 2010 but in 2010 for comparison the vote share for the Tories was:
2010 Uxbridge and South Ruislip: 48.3%
2010 SW Surrey: 58.7%
Fast forward to 2017
2017 Uxbridge and South Ruislip: 50.8%
2017 SW Surrey: 55.7%
Net change:
Uxbridge and South Ruislip: Conservatives have GAINED 2.5%
SW Surrey: Conservatives have LOST 3.0%
Boris has done in like-for-like timeframe 5.5% BETTER than Hunt.
I believe that you can have continuity of sick leave even if you return to work then return to being off sick again. In fact for example for things like SSP if you are off sick and return to work for a few days then swiftly return to being off then it is specifically considered one continuous illness and not two separate illnesses.
Question: why do you see more military personnel at the Wimbledon tennis championships than practically any other event in the UK?
(I would have thought there were more at Royal Ascot.)
Although the Armed Forces personnel have to use part of their allocated leave to steward at Wimbledon, they appreciate the opportunity to serve on such hallowed grounds.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/wimbledon-fans-show-pride-in-armed-forces
https://www.wimbledondebentureholders.com/articles/wimbledon-armed-forces-history/
As an observation, Boris's record in Henley is worth a look. It is a seat that has voted Conservative or Unionist at every election since 1910 and only once (1906) have the Liberals won it.
That was a decent election - 1906 - perhaps 2019 could be like it.
Anyway. Heseltine won in 1997 polling 46.4% of the vote and Johnson took over in 2001 and won 46.1% of the vote with a small swing to the LDs and a lower turnout bringing the majority down to 8,500.
In 2005, Johnson took the Conservative vote share back to 53.5% and his majority back to just shy of 13,000 which in the context of the election was a good result - the LDs lost vote share so it was a decent 4.25% swing to the Conservatives.
At the 2008 by-election John Howell got 57% of the vote and that's hardly changed since - up to 59% in 2017. That's far less dramatic then many other seats. On the current 15% swing from Conservative to LD the majority would be cut from 22,000 and change to 8,500. The LDs have only polled above 30% once since the war and that was in February 1974 (29% in 1983). I could imagine a 35% vote share in the current climate.
Not exactly a hard one to call....
Shame on you Mike for knowingly misleading your twitter followers
As someone of Jewish heritage myself it makes me very depressed.
Sure, if Corbyn became PM, he would find it very hard to pass legislation - but...
Soon we will have two Labour Parties represented in Parliament as in the past we have had two Liberal Parties. I expect two Tory Parties shortly afterwards when PM Bozza demands no deal in "shock" at the EU refusing to renegotiate
If Boris Johnson wins with the Tory leadership with the majority that YouGov are predicting he'll still receive fewer votes than Owen Smith received when he lost the Labour leadership contest in 2016.
Heck it is likely that the Owen Smith received more votes (193,229) than there are Tory members.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/876894066478329857
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48975312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbC4yxjydUc