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  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    ydoethur said:

    Tom Watson you are a fucking disgrace...

    Well done Len, someone had to say it. We have had a leadership contest since 2015 time we had a deputy one as well. Tom can stand again if he thinks the members back him.

    I can't believe you are weaponising Jennie's cancer treatment. Pretty despicable to be honest. You should be ashamed.
    I can't believe your sticking up for Tom, it's quite telling that if an MP is pregnant or a woman or one of a variety of other things thatsome think can be used as sticks against Corbyn it's the end of the world if one person wants to vonc them.

    Watson plays political games to drag Frombys name through the media despite her making time to answer any questions he had previously but he stayed quiet and this whilst she's having chemotherapy and people are four square behind him. Fucking hypocrites, tbh I assumed it was usually cynical bs anyway.

    It's going to make it all the more weaker next time the cynical attack is tried.
    That's a whole lot of waffle to try and justify weaponising Jennie's cancer treatment.
    That's an interesting way of you saying you have no counter argument :smile:
    What argument is there in your post that needs countering?
    I'll put it in Welsh for you if you are struggling...
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    edited July 2019

    Maybe it is me, but.... play this.

    Who is Jerry Formby?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1150083062547525634


    Tom Watson is a Lizard in the undergrowth. As JohnO pointed out his persuit of Leon Britton when he was dying on completely spurious charges of paedophilia shows that there is a pattern to his unscrupulous publicity seeking. A very unpleasant man
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    The polling suggests otherwise

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1148312432768684032?s=20

    Plus what special insight does Andrew Adonis have into the way Brecon voters will vote?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    HYUFD said:

    Plus what special insight does Andrew Adonis have into the way Brecon voters will vote?

    What's your prediction for Brecon?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    HYUFD said:

    The polling suggests otherwise

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1148312432768684032?s=20

    Plus what special insight does Andrew Adonis have into the way Brecon voters will vote?
    Aren't you worried about wearing that poll out?
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    nobody is saying she cannot be criticised.

    I mean you are as any sort of criticism is ignored and the criticiser personally attacked in response.
    Wow lets not get ahead of ourselves, she isn't a pregnant right wing Labour MP who criticism of can be used to attack Corbyn and I'm not Tom Watson, no one is saying she can't be criticised, or I'm not anyway. Tom is being called out as the low life he is for attacking and lying about her for political advantage whilst she is sick, because that is the kind of person Tom Watson is.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    Roger said:

    Maybe it is me, but.... play this.

    Who is Jerry Formby?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1150083062547525634


    Tom Watson is a Lizard in the undergrowth. As JohnO pointed out his persuit of Leon Britton when he was dying on completely spurious charges of paedophilia shows that there is a pattern to his unscrupulous publicity seeking. A very unpleasant man
    It plays to the cynical advantage of some people to pretend Watson is some great guy who fights for justice, they know full well the guy is a snake but politics is a dirty game, he is their snake.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    The polling suggests otherwise

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1148312432768684032?s=20

    Plus what special insight does Andrew Adonis have into the way Brecon voters will vote?
    Aren't you worried about wearing that poll out?
    I think HY must be breaking some kind of PB record here. Has anyone ever pasted in the same thing so many times. It is almost like an incantation. That chart is what’s giving him his lifeblood.

    Very sad. As the Donald would say.
  • spire2spire2 Posts: 183
    fucks sake hyufd get to bed
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited July 2019

    HYUFD said:

    Plus what special insight does Andrew Adonis have into the way Brecon voters will vote?

    What's your prediction for Brecon?
    Anything less than a comfortable LD win would be a good result for the Tories and for Boris
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited July 2019
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    The polling suggests otherwise

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1148312432768684032?s=20

    Plus what special insight does Andrew Adonis have into the way Brecon voters will vote?
    Aren't you worried about wearing that poll out?
    No, as its message is clear
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    Roger said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Looks like the Guardian has a defence against little Isabel’s libel suit now.

    I thought it was someone else they claimed she was sleeping with?
    It's a team
    If it's a team, I hope it is Everton. We didn't score often enough last year.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Average of the last 6 polls, (those published in July):

    Lab 24.5%
    Con 24.5%
    BRX 19.8%
    LD 17.8%
    Greens 6.7%
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    "There is nothing more important than this political project"

    Not clear what that project is, but it definitely involves his holiness the Jezza.

    https://twitter.com/LauraPidcockMP/status/1150108156728631296
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2019
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Plus what special insight does Andrew Adonis have into the way Brecon voters will vote?

    What's your prediction for Brecon?
    Anything less than a comfortable LD win would be a good result for the Tories and for Boris
    I think the LDs will win but not massively so. Maybe a 10% margin, something like 50% to 40%.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    "There is nothing more important than this political project"

    Not clear what that project is, but it definitely involves his holiness the Jezza.

    https://twitter.com/LauraPidcockMP/status/1150108156728631296

    It doesn't make any sense - rhetorical, philosophical or political. So it must be to do with Corbyn and his fellow travellers.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    In America, 538 has published a table showing who might qualify for the third Democrat debate in September; note that we've not yet had the second, which is due at the end of July. Basically, candidates need to have recorded at least 2% in four polls, and recruited lots of donors.

    So far, only the big five have qualified but several more are close and all is not yet lost for EiT's Amy Klobuchar!

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/it-wont-be-easy-for-many-democrats-to-make-the-september-debate/
  • notme2notme2 Posts: 1,006

    I think people who met online in the 80s might be the new 2% of respondents who told pollsters they had been decapitated.

    https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1150094687388221441

    It’s plausible. I was using Fidonet via a dialup modem in the late 80s. I think I remember bulletin boards with dating sections - though I was at a sufficiently tender age my main interest was downloading programs for my Amstrad.

    In other dating news, La Oakeshott’s (evidently now estranged) husband is lovely, and if she’s left him for a Brexit Party Neanderthal than more fool her.
    I did get lucky with a few girls at university in 1994 via their internet. They had these local telnet chat things.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    AndyJS said:

    Average of the last 6 polls, (those published in July):

    Lab 24.5%
    Con 24.5%
    BRX 19.8%
    LD 17.8%
    Greens 6.7%

    Strangely, people will keep insisting Labour are in fourth. While the LDs are sweeping to victory. The truth is it is very, very fluid, and the ball is firmly in the Tories, and therefore Boris' court.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Thats what was said during the Tigger rebellion. Watson marshalled his internal forces and everyone just pushed the fight on a fes months. So it shall be again, rinse and repeat. It's just boring.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    There are thousands of people who are living with cancer, living with the consequences of cancer and living through their cancer treatment - all whilst continuing to work to the best of their abilities under very difficult circumstances.

    No-one should be attacked because they have cancer. But also no-one should automatically be exempt from legitimate criticism of their work performance (before the treatment started) because of their diagnosis.

    The special pleading that is going on is patronising at best towards those living with cancer and at worst deeply distasteful by using a serious medical condition to deflect attention from what is a very serious situation within the Labour Party.

    I wish Jennie Formby all the very best with her ongoing battle to beat cancer. I never want to see anyone suffer from this most pernicious of conditions. People living with cancer should be treated with compassion and respect.

    But I do not believe that she is automatically immune from criticism for her actions and the actions of those working under her.

    Seems reasonable. She apparently feels she can still undertake her duties at the present times so I woukdnt want to patronize her by suggesting she could not take on any queries or criticisms.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    The worst thing about this whole Labour anti-semitism saga is that people, on the whole, just don’t care.

    As someone of Jewish heritage myself it makes me very depressed.

    No its far far worse than that. Cretinous scum do care, they care because the truth about their sick cancer death cult has come out. Hence their screaming hypocrisy attacking whistle blowers "who keep us safe" and libelling the former party staffers.

    Soon we will have two Labour Parties represented in Parliament as in the past we have had two Liberal Parties. I expect two Tory Parties shortly afterwards when PM Bozza demands no deal in "shock" at the EU refusing to renegotiate
    Except we wont. Corbynistas will cling onto power. Labour MPs will not do anything. The general public will become numb (this has already happened) and then eventually he will be voted into Downing Street.
    Yep. A lot of people underestimating that chance.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    edited July 2019

    The worst thing about this whole Labour anti-semitism saga is that people, on the whole, just don’t care.

    As someone of Jewish heritage myself it makes me very depressed.

    You'll make a lot of labour mps in particular very sad. I mean, they've said they care a million times, what more is needed?

    But then as you note the public dont really care much either. Brexit has moved the polls, this long running story has not.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Scott_P said:
    Not sure how he'll manage that when it's a majority of tory members and former supporters who back him.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    dixiedean said:

    AndyJS said:

    Average of the last 6 polls, (those published in July):

    Lab 24.5%
    Con 24.5%
    BRX 19.8%
    LD 17.8%
    Greens 6.7%

    Strangely, people will keep insisting Labour are in fourth. While the LDs are sweeping to victory. The truth is it is very, very fluid, and the ball is firmly in the Tories, and therefore Boris' court.
    Agree.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2019

    Foxy said:

    I think people who met online in the 80s might be the new 2% of respondents who told pollsters they had been decapitated.

    https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1150094687388221441

    Does watching Pornhub count as meeting your partner online?...
    Not impossible that one met someone online in 1980s via ARPANET and UseNet groups etc etc.

    But 2% seems highly unlikely.
    I remember something called Prestel which was available via Ceefax teletext in the 1980s. You could send and receive information on it. My parents hardly ever used it though because it was very expensive. It cost about £5 to use it for 10 minutes, or something like that. I was about 5 years old but I can recall it quite clearly.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Jeremy Corbyn is at war with his own SON: Seb, 27, 'warns his Labour leader father that the "Stalinist" clique around him has too much power' amid party civil war over second Brexit referendum and anti-semitism

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244647/Jeremy-Corbyn-war-SON-Stalinist-clique-Labour-leader.html
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    edited July 2019
    kle4 said:

    Thats what was said during the Tigger rebellion. Watson marshalled his internal forces and everyone just pushed the fight on a fes months. So it shall be again, rinse and repeat. It's just boring.
    It is important for Tom, Jess Phillips and other moderates to feel wanted now and again, so they kick up a bit of fuss and the media gives them a bit of attention and they feel better for a bit.

    Edit: No quotes from Jess on Tom Watson though as yet... usually racing to show solidarity and always making a big show of how she is willing to criticise people on her own side.

    Won't be holding my breath....
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Jeremy Corbyn is at war with his own SON: Seb, 27, 'warns his Labour leader father that the "Stalinist" clique around him has too much power' amid party civil war over second Brexit referendum and anti-semitism

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244647/Jeremy-Corbyn-war-SON-Stalinist-clique-Labour-leader.html

    That's a bit unfortunate for Jeremy.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    Jeremy Corbyn is at war with his own SON: Seb, 27, 'warns his Labour leader father that the "Stalinist" clique around him has too much power' amid party civil war over second Brexit referendum and anti-semitism

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244647/Jeremy-Corbyn-war-SON-Stalinist-clique-Labour-leader.html

    Without wanting to risk clicking the link...

    Why does it look like a quote but then it has speech marks inside that around Stalinist?

    Is it because he said something quite different?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133

    I think people who met online in the 80s might be the new 2% of respondents who told pollsters they had been decapitated.

    https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1150094687388221441

    If i am reading that correctly, a lot of bonking your second cousin in the 1940s?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    I think people who met online in the 80s might be the new 2% of respondents who told pollsters they had been decapitated.

    https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1150094687388221441

    If i am reading that correctly, a lot of bonking your second cousin in the 1940s?
    I'm trying to work out the 'met through neighbours' demographic.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2019
    "Norman Tebbit’s cricket test was never xenophobic, but it could do with a liberal amendment
    David Goodhart"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2019/07/13/norman-tebbits-cricket-test-never-xenophobic-could-do-liberal/
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    One senior Minister told The Mail on Sunday: 'If Sir Kim had been half as plugged into Washington as he claims, then he would have known the way the wind was blowing and resigned on Sunday morning. His arrogance that he could tough it out in the face of the inevitable Trump storm was ill-conceived.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244539/Trump-axed-Iran-deal-spite-Obama-British-ambassador-says-Trumps-actions-diplomatic-vandalism.html

    Who supports Johnson by any chance?
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,019

    So we've learned tonight that a bar chart triggers Leavers but things like this do not.


    9 countries?

    They mean 6, or 12 if they're being super pedantic.

    Shame to let a factual inaccuracy mess up a perfectly good racist scaremongering poster.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    The Express tweet links back to the wrong Express story but the right one merely cites a Sunday Times story which is paywalled so we shall have to wait for the rich kids, or for plod to make an arrest.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    The Express tweet links back to the wrong Express story but the right one merely cites a Sunday Times story which is paywalled so we shall have to wait for the rich kids, or for plod to make an arrest.
    Here's Reuters in the Guardian:

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jul/14/suspected-leaker-of-kim-darroch-emails-identified-report
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited July 2019
    "A nest of singing birds"

    https://twitter.com/thesundaypeople/status/1150149456337260544

    One Westminster source said: “The smart money would be on Carrie not making it to Downing Street one way or the other. After the leaks started ­coming out about Carrie and her job there’s no way that could happen.”

    The source ­added: “Boris’s team don’t like her, they never have.

    “It’s the usual ego stuff. And she personally doesn’t like them.

    “They should be ­concentrating on just ­getting Boris over the line and preparing for the ­transition to No10. but there is a real war on now.”
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    The Express tweet links back to the wrong Express story but the right one merely cites a Sunday Times story which is paywalled so we shall have to wait for the rich kids, or for plod to make an arrest.
    Here's Reuters in the Guardian:

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jul/14/suspected-leaker-of-kim-darroch-emails-identified-report
    Thanks. That too cites the Sunday Times but has a bit more detail.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Mango said:

    So we've learned tonight that a bar chart triggers Leavers but things like this do not.

    9 countries?

    They mean 6, or 12 if they're being super pedantic.

    Shame to let a factual inaccuracy mess up a perfectly good racist scaremongering poster.
    Nine when we joined, is probably what they mean.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    "A nest of singing birds"

    https://twitter.com/thesundaypeople/status/1150149456337260544

    One Westminster source said: “The smart money would be on Carrie not making it to Downing Street one way or the other. After the leaks started ­coming out about Carrie and her job there’s no way that could happen.”

    The source ­added: “Boris’s team don’t like her, they never have.

    “It’s the usual ego stuff. And she personally doesn’t like them.

    “They should be ­concentrating on just ­getting Boris over the line and preparing for the ­transition to No10. but there is a real war on now.”

    I’m so glad I never went into politics
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-party-richard-tice-darroch-18206347#source=push interesting the Mirror comes out with this story when @Nigelb / @AlistairMeeks observed this regarding Newsnight a few days ago..

    Nigelb said:

    Tice claiming that “these were not classified documents”.
    How does he know one way or the other ?

    Isabel Oakeshott was claiming that diagram of her contacts was absurd. But her coterie seems very well-informed.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Charles said:

    "A nest of singing birds"

    https://twitter.com/thesundaypeople/status/1150149456337260544

    One Westminster source said: “The smart money would be on Carrie not making it to Downing Street one way or the other. After the leaks started ­coming out about Carrie and her job there’s no way that could happen.”

    The source ­added: “Boris’s team don’t like her, they never have.

    “It’s the usual ego stuff. And she personally doesn’t like them.

    “They should be ­concentrating on just ­getting Boris over the line and preparing for the ­transition to No10. but there is a real war on now.”

    I’m so glad I never went into politics
    His aides are right; No 10 is no place for a mistress.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    New thread.
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