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  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653

    On membership numbers, I thought the "fudge" was that there are now loads of people who haven't paid their subs and in arrears, but it takes quite a long time before the party actually removes them.

    Yep, I stopped paying subs well over a year ago. But I still get emails from the Labour party and local branch newsletters/info/canvassing plans, etc. They even initiated an investigation against me a couple of months back for something I wrote on here!!

    The Labour party and the Hotel California are the two things you can never, ever leave.

  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    Roger said:

    I've got more chance of captaining the England Women's football team than Long -Bailey has of becoming Labour leader.

    It has been clear for a while now that she is The Chosen One. On that basis she has to be the very strong favorite. She is not disqualified by showing talent and the ability to think independently. What matters is the ability to unquestioningly and unthinkingly parrot the line of Corbyn's inner circle.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Nike 'pulls Betsy Ross flag trainer after Kaepernick complaint'

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48840608

    Woke to broke...

    As with Lush, I doubt that hardline conservatives form part of Nike's core demographic of customers.
    It’s an interesting broader question though.

    The original flag was obviously an important symbol in American history. It was misused and adopted by white supremacists/ KKK.

    Does that mean that it should be forever taboo or is there a way to “reclaim” [sic] it for the mainstream?
    Try that with the 'swastika was an ancient Indian symbol of divinity' stuff and see what happens.
    If I was an Indian who followed that faith then there could be an argument. (Don’t know if there any adherents left). If it’s someone with no connection to the history it’s clearly bollocks.

    For example, the Scots didn’t behave particularly well in Darien. I don’t think that should prevent proud Scots using whatever the Scottish flag was at the time as a symbol of they so choose.
    It's a symbol in Hinduism, the third largest world religion, so I guess there are a few adherents left.

    I'm interested in the Scots' bad behaviour in Darien. Pray tell me more.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    On membership numbers, I thought the "fudge" was that there are now loads of people who haven't paid their subs and in arrears, but it takes quite a long time before the party actually removes them.

    They even initiated an investigation against me a couple of months back for something I wrote on here!!

    The Labour party and the Hotel California are the two things you can never, ever leave.

    Scary stuff. Because you weren't toeing the line, comrade? You will be made an un-person.
  • SirBenjaminSirBenjamin Posts: 238
    Trying to work out why I'm five-figures green on non-Corbynite Emma Reynolds to be next LAB leader? Did something happen a couple of years ago and I piled on at very long odds?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653

    Roger said:

    I've got more chance of captaining the England Women's football team than Long -Bailey has of becoming Labour leader.

    It has been clear for a while now that she is The Chosen One. On that basis she has to be the very strong favorite. She is not disqualified by showing talent and the ability to think independently. What matters is the ability to unquestioningly and unthinkingly parrot the line of Corbyn's inner circle.

    She is currently being hammered by a number of Corbynistas for not offering Chris Williamson unqualified support. She has also been pretty pro-Brexit, which will play badly in a leadership contest.

    There is no far left candidate that can unite the far left, let alone be guaranteed to win a leadership contest. That is why Corbyn is still in place. Outside of Burgon - who is genuinely and irredeemably thick - the high command can read opinion polls and understands that Corbyn is unpopular. But if he were to go now, the far left runs the very real risk of losing its current control. And that control is far more important to it than Labour winning the next general election.

  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,191
    edited July 2019
    Tim, formerly of this parish, is not a fan...

    https://twitter.com/ExStrategist/status/1145022145925435392
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited July 2019
    GIN1138 said:

    Still having to access PB with Firefox rather than Google Chrome as Vanilla embed won't load on Chrome.

    Someone was suggesting yesterday the issue will be within the settings on Chrome but I can't see anything obvious?

    If anyone can shed more light would be appreciated.

    Just had a look at Google Dev Tools (F12) and this is the problem that Chrome is flagging up:

    Refused to display [PB LNK] in a frame because an ancestor violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "frame-ancestors 'self' www2.politicalbetting.com *politicalbetting.com".
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited July 2019
    Daft joke deleted
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    RobD said:

    Another thing we will have no influence over if we leave.

    https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1146053175222259713

    Well, obviously.
    Farage seems to regard is as an important power.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1145738415201300480
    Timmermans is a social democrat or democratic socialist. Shock horror.

    Sounds a good choice to demonstrate to Corbyn that the EU is a force for good, so why aren't we staying in?

    Is it just me or is there a problem with the 'ordinary' website? Comments will not load.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633



    I'm interested in the Scots' bad behaviour in Darien. Pray tell me more.

    The impounding of the crew of the Worcester and the hanging of the crew.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    RLB would be almost as good for Boris as having Corbyn stay on. Labour have so many better options.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    RobD said:

    Another thing we will have no influence over if we leave.

    https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1146053175222259713

    Well, obviously.
    Farage seems to regard is as an important power.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1145738415201300480
    Timmermans is a social democrat or democratic socialist. Shock horror.

    Sounds a good choice to demonstrate to Corbyn that the EU is a force for good, so why aren't we staying in?

    Is it just me or is there a problem with the 'ordinary' website? Comments will not load.
    Irony alert. Nigel Farage accuses someone of being a dangerous fanatic!!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Gadfly said:

    Tim, formerly of this parish, is not a fan...

    https://twitter.com/ExStrategist/status/1145022145925435392

    How come he has changed his twitter handle? Has he been a naughty boy on there?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Charles said:

    I can imagine a LibDem wondering about the value of canvassing a house daubed in swastikas!

    Clearly a Rudyard Kipling fan ....
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    Rebecca Long Bailey is not Corbyn's protege, she is John McDonnell's - and therein lies the problem.

    I think politicians should all have double barrelled names. Jeremy Thicky-Corbyn has a certain ring to it, as does Boris Adulterous-Johnson
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406

    Gadfly said:

    Tim, formerly of this parish, is not a fan...

    https://twitter.com/ExStrategist/status/1145022145925435392

    How come he has changed his twitter handle? Has he been a naughty boy on there?
    I think taking the mickey out of George Osbourne ran its course...
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591

    On membership numbers, I thought the "fudge" was that there are now loads of people who haven't paid their subs and in arrears, but it takes quite a long time before the party actually removes them.

    6 months normally. There are always people on the system shown as in arrears, this is not a new thing. The % in arrears has not changed significantly. Based on my experience I do not think a drop of 20% of members is at all likely. 10% possible. However, there has certainly been a decline in activity levels, fewer attending meetings etc.
    That looks like you could stop making monthly payments after the first one, and Labour would not start chasing you until the end of a full year of membership. And that then, they would give you another six months to pay up before striking you off the list of members.

    So if you tried to leave Labour one month into your “membership year” by cancelling your monthly Direct Debits, could you still be considered a member for up to 18 months? Sources with detailed knowledge of Labour party processes told FactCheck that this was indeed the case.

    And it appears to be the understanding among party officials. A leaked “weekly internal update” from January 2018 quoted a Labour staffer: “The number of lapsers in the period is high as a result of a spike in joiners around 18 months ago.” The suggestion here is that the party assumes that it takes a year-and-a-half for some members to come off the books after they stop paying.

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-are-labour-inflating-their-membership-figures
    No if you stop making monthly payments you will be dropped after 6 months. It's only if you pay a whole year upfront that you could stay on the system for a 18 months without a further payment. And that is what you would expect - a year's membership that you have paid for, plus 6 months in arrears. So a spike in arrears drop-offs 18 months after a spike in new joiners would be expected.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Still having to access PB with Firefox rather than Google Chrome as Vanilla embed won't load on Chrome.

    Someone was suggesting yesterday the issue will be within the settings on Chrome but I can't see anything obvious?

    If anyone can shed more light would be appreciated.

    Just had a look at Google Dev Tools (F12) and this is the problem that Chrome is flagging up:

    Refused to display [PB LNK] in a frame because an ancestor violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "frame-ancestors 'self' www2.politicalbetting.com *politicalbetting.com".
    It's working for me in Chrome (and Edge Dev) but I'm writing this in Chrome...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    TGOHF said:



    I'm interested in the Scots' bad behaviour in Darien. Pray tell me more.

    The impounding of the crew of the Worcester and the hanging of the crew.
    Unjust as it was, a trial in Edinburgh about an alleged incident off the Indian coast five years after the end of the Darien scheme is an unusual interpretation of 'in Darien'.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    eek said:

    Gadfly said:

    Tim, formerly of this parish, is not a fan...

    https://twitter.com/ExStrategist/status/1145022145925435392

    How come he has changed his twitter handle? Has he been a naughty boy on there?
    I think taking the mickey out of George Osbourne ran its course...
    Probably because he has at last realised that Osborne was a genius, particularly when compared with Corbyn. I am referring to Ozzy of course.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    TGOHF said:

    Rebecca Long Bailey is not Corbyn's protege, she is John McDonnell's - and therein lies the problem.

    The only double barrel names around these days are Premiership footballers of African descent and Labour MPs.

    Freakonomics had a chapter on the name waterfall phenomenon..
    Double barrelled nowadays usually just means unmarried parents.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    eek said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Still having to access PB with Firefox rather than Google Chrome as Vanilla embed won't load on Chrome.

    Someone was suggesting yesterday the issue will be within the settings on Chrome but I can't see anything obvious?

    If anyone can shed more light would be appreciated.

    Just had a look at Google Dev Tools (F12) and this is the problem that Chrome is flagging up:

    Refused to display [PB LNK] in a frame because an ancestor violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "frame-ancestors 'self' www2.politicalbetting.com *politicalbetting.com".
    It's working for me in Chrome (and Edge Dev) but I'm writing this in Chrome...
    Problems with Safari, too.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    EU Parliament 2019-24 term officially started today

    UK MEPs mugshots in all their glory are here

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/download/advanced/pdf?name=&groupCode=&countryCode=GB&constituency=&bodyType=ALL&bodyCode=
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    edited July 2019
    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Rebecca Long Bailey is not Corbyn's protege, she is John McDonnell's - and therein lies the problem.

    The only double barrel names around these days are Premiership footballers of African descent and Labour MPs.

    Freakonomics had a chapter on the name waterfall phenomenon..
    Double barrelled nowadays usually just means unmarried parents.
    I think there's also a move by women to reclaim/keep their matrilineal name (though of course they more than likely came from grandfathers originally).
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,543
    Conclusion from Carney's speech today
    https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/speech/2019/sea-change-speech-by-mark-carney.pdf

    Conclusion
    For now, a global trade war and a No Deal Brexit remain growing possibilities not certainties. Monetary policy must address the consequences of such uncertainty for the behaviour of businesses, households and financial markets. In some jurisdictions, the impact may warrant a near term policy response as insurance to maintain the expansion. Markets are currently pricing in much more stimulus than this, suggesting greater pessimism about trade developments as well as potentially concerns about the absence of inflationary pressures.

    In the UK, the combination of the relatively strong initial conditions – including a tight labour market and inflation at target – and the prospect of greater clarity emerging in the near term regarding the UK and EU’s future relationship argues for a focus on the medium term inflation dynamics. These will be importantly influenced by global developments and even more so by the form that Brexit takes.

    The MPC’s projections for the UK economy are based on the assumption of a smooth Brexit to the average of a range of outcomes. That assumption is consistent with the MPC’s standard approach to condition its projections on the government policy and with the fact that agreeing a deal is the preferred strategy of both candidates to be the next Prime Minister.

    If Brexit progresses smoothly, we expect that the current heightened uncertainties facing companies and households will fade gradually, business investment will rebound, the housing market to rally, and consumption to grow broadly in line with households’ real incomes. This would accelerate economic growth, strengthen domestic inflationary pressures, and require limited and gradual increases in interest rates in order to return inflation sustainably to the 2% target.

    It is unsurprising that the path of interest rates consistent with achieving the inflation target in this scenario differs from current market pricing of a lower expected path for Bank Rate given that the market places significant weights on both the probability of No Deal and on cuts in Bank Rate in that event.

    As the perceived probability of a No Deal has picked up, the levels of Bank Rate, sterling and other UK asset prices in our projections have therefore become increasingly inconsistent with the smooth Brexit assumption in the MPC’s projection.

  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    Does Rebecca Long Bailey have a hyphen or not? I am told if you are really posh you have no hyphen!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited July 2019
    eek said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Still having to access PB with Firefox rather than Google Chrome as Vanilla embed won't load on Chrome.

    Someone was suggesting yesterday the issue will be within the settings on Chrome but I can't see anything obvious?

    If anyone can shed more light would be appreciated.

    Just had a look at Google Dev Tools (F12) and this is the problem that Chrome is flagging up:

    Refused to display [PB LNK] in a frame because an ancestor violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "frame-ancestors 'self' www2.politicalbetting.com *politicalbetting.com".
    It's working for me in Chrome (and Edge Dev) but I'm writing this in Chrome...
    Obviously whatever the problem is must be patchy.

    It's no problem for me to post with Firefox but clearly there's something going on with the Vanilla embed that Chrome (and Safari) are a bit sniffy about.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Another thing we will have no influence over if we leave.

    https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1146053175222259713

    Well, obviously.
    Farage seems to regard is as an important power.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1145738415201300480
    He probably wouldn’t give a damn if the U.K. were no longer in it.
    What is 'it' in that sentence? The EU?
    Sorry, I thought that would have been obvious.
    It seemed a strange comment to imply that it's a matter of speculation whether Farage would give a damn whether we're in or out of the EU. Do you suspect his political career has been a charade?
    Giving a damn on the choice of Vice President of the Commission.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    eek said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Still having to access PB with Firefox rather than Google Chrome as Vanilla embed won't load on Chrome.

    Someone was suggesting yesterday the issue will be within the settings on Chrome but I can't see anything obvious?

    If anyone can shed more light would be appreciated.

    Just had a look at Google Dev Tools (F12) and this is the problem that Chrome is flagging up:

    Refused to display [PB LNK] in a frame because an ancestor violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "frame-ancestors 'self' www2.politicalbetting.com *politicalbetting.com".
    It's working for me in Chrome (and Edge Dev) but I'm writing this in Chrome...
    It's with Firefox (and W.7) that the comments won't load for me on the 'normal' site. I'm using this 'cut down' site where the comments are in reverse order and with other disadvantages.

    If Labour is losing members, is it because they're joining the Green Party? An anti-EU party seems to have little going for it for socially-liberal internationalists. If these people are fairly left-wing on the economy, they'd favour the G.Party. If they're more centrist, they'd go for the Lib.Dems.

    Currently yet more publicity on R4 for Farage by the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    eek said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Still having to access PB with Firefox rather than Google Chrome as Vanilla embed won't load on Chrome.

    Someone was suggesting yesterday the issue will be within the settings on Chrome but I can't see anything obvious?

    If anyone can shed more light would be appreciated.

    Just had a look at Google Dev Tools (F12) and this is the problem that Chrome is flagging up:

    Refused to display [PB LNK] in a frame because an ancestor violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "frame-ancestors 'self' www2.politicalbetting.com *politicalbetting.com".
    It's working for me in Chrome (and Edge Dev) but I'm writing this in Chrome...
    Problems with Safari, too.
    I've had problem with Chrome for days now for PB site. Given up and using Firefox.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,080

    On membership numbers, I thought the "fudge" was that there are now loads of people who haven't paid their subs and in arrears, but it takes quite a long time before the party actually removes them.

    Yep, I stopped paying subs well over a year ago. But I still get emails from the Labour party and local branch newsletters/info/canvassing plans, etc. They even initiated an investigation against me a couple of months back for something I wrote on here!!

    The Labour party and the Hotel California are the two things you can never, ever leave.

    Not awfully easy to join, though.

    Several years ago I made an email enquiry to the local Labour party, was sent a holding email in reply that promised to be in touch. And nothing.

    Good evening, everybody.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Good evening, Miss JGP.

    I hope we don't end up with a sudden war.
  • PeterMannionPeterMannion Posts: 712

    Does Rebecca Long Bailey have a hyphen or not? I am told if you are really thick you have no hyphen!

    No hyphen for her, then...
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,191

    Gadfly said:

    Tim, formerly of this parish, is not a fan...

    https://twitter.com/ExStrategist/status/1145022145925435392

    How come he has changed his twitter handle? Has he been a naughty boy on there?
    Apparently you can change your twitter handle and still keep your followers, which is what appears to have been the case (Tim's original handle disappeared from my profile and this one was magically added). It also uses a George Osborne picture, and Tim's writing style and wit, so I hope I'm right in saying it's him.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Good evening, Miss JGP.

    I hope we don't end up with a sudden war.

    Putin wants Boris and Donald want Hunt .... :sunglasses:
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    On membership numbers, I thought the "fudge" was that there are now loads of people who haven't paid their subs and in arrears, but it takes quite a long time before the party actually removes them.

    Yep, I stopped paying subs well over a year ago. But I still get emails from the Labour party and local branch newsletters/info/canvassing plans, etc. They even initiated an investigation against me a couple of months back for something I wrote on here!!

    The Labour party and the Hotel California are the two things you can never, ever leave.

    I am contemplating leaving the Conservative Party, but I don't want to give up my vote for when Boris Johnson inevitably falls on his fat smug face, and we have a further leadership election.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited July 2019

    eek said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Still having to access PB with Firefox rather than Google Chrome as Vanilla embed won't load on Chrome.

    Someone was suggesting yesterday the issue will be within the settings on Chrome but I can't see anything obvious?

    If anyone can shed more light would be appreciated.

    Just had a look at Google Dev Tools (F12) and this is the problem that Chrome is flagging up:

    Refused to display [PB LNK] in a frame because an ancestor violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "frame-ancestors 'self' www2.politicalbetting.com *politicalbetting.com".
    It's working for me in Chrome (and Edge Dev) but I'm writing this in Chrome...
    Problems with Safari, too.
    I've had problem with Chrome for days now for PB site. Given up and using Firefox.
    The only thing is I tend to find that where Google leads everyone else follows.

    That bug I found in Google Dev Tools will eventually effect Firefox too, because that's what always happens.

    When God (Google) says "we're not happy with this" everyone else follows in the end. ;)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478

    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Rebecca Long Bailey is not Corbyn's protege, she is John McDonnell's - and therein lies the problem.

    The only double barrel names around these days are Premiership footballers of African descent and Labour MPs.

    Freakonomics had a chapter on the name waterfall phenomenon..
    Double barrelled nowadays usually just means unmarried parents.
    I think there's also a move by women to reclaim/keep their matrilineal name (though of course they more than likely came from grandfathers originally).
    Granddaughter-in-law uses her maiden name for work (I think), but hyphenated socially. No, I'm not sure were are either. Thai daughter in law uses her maiden name, except when she's in England.
    A lot of Thai ladies seem to use their maiden name.
    British daughter-in-law uses her maiden name at work, where she'd been for 15 years, but her husbands name socially.
    Daughter always used her married name.

    No, I don't fully understand, either.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,534
    In response to the various speculations - Labour List, which has a genuinely broad range of followers from across the party, regularly polls Shadow Cabinet members. Starmer and McDonnell are IIRC always at the top, and Starmer normally wins. Rebecca Long-Bailey had a good outing at PMQs but needs more exposure, both to test her and make her better-known to the membership.

    If JC stepped down and McDonnell stood, I'd vote for him, but I don't expect either to happen - he really wants to be Chancellor, not PM. If I'm wrong and theres a leadership election, I think that Starmer would have a good chance, if he tacked left in the campaign - members really don't want to wander back to the centre, but they do rate Starmer's performance. An important question is whether lots of centrist members have in fact lapsed like Southam and just not shown up in the numbers yet, or if they rejoin for the election - Starmer will only win if there is a sizable bloc of centrist Remainers who are members.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    edited July 2019

    eek said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Still having to access PB with Firefox rather than Google Chrome as Vanilla embed won't load on Chrome.

    Someone was suggesting yesterday the issue will be within the settings on Chrome but I can't see anything obvious?

    If anyone can shed more light would be appreciated.

    Just had a look at Google Dev Tools (F12) and this is the problem that Chrome is flagging up:

    Refused to display [PB LNK] in a frame because an ancestor violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "frame-ancestors 'self' www2.politicalbetting.com *politicalbetting.com".
    It's working for me in Chrome (and Edge Dev) but I'm writing this in Chrome...
    Problems with Safari, too.
    I've had problem with Chrome for days now for PB site. Given up and using Firefox.
    Thanks. I'll give it a go. Don't like messing about with different systems, though.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    edited July 2019

    In response to the various speculations - Labour List, which has a genuinely broad range of followers from across the party, regularly polls Shadow Cabinet members. Starmer and McDonnell are IIRC always at the top, and Starmer normally wins. Rebecca Long-Bailey had a good outing at PMQs but needs more exposure, both to test her and make her better-known to the membership.

    If JC stepped down and McDonnell stood, I'd vote for him, but I don't expect either to happen - he really wants to be Chancellor, not PM. If I'm wrong and theres a leadership election, I think that Starmer would have a good chance, if he tacked left in the campaign - members really don't want to wander back to the centre, but they do rate Starmer's performance. An important question is whether lots of centrist members have in fact lapsed like Southam and just not shown up in the numbers yet, or if they rejoin for the election - Starmer will only win if there is a sizable bloc of centrist Remainers who are members.

    How does that work if Starmer tacked left against a more moderate opponent?

    I would have thought Starmer's best approach would be to tack just slightly left against someone more left wing say Long-Bailey...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited July 2019
    Looking at Firefox Dev Tools is does actually have the same bug highlighted in Google Chrome Dev Tools.

    "Content Security Policy: Ignoring ‘x-frame-options’ because of ‘frame-ancestors’ directive."

    "Content Security Policy: Couldn't parse invalid host *politicalbetting.com"

    At the moment Firefox just has it as an "error" rather than a "warning" unlike Chrome who are flagging it as a warning and blocking the embed.
  • ZephyrZephyr Posts: 438
    Yes. What we don’t need is unnecessary scary conjecture about what is going on. Like the Israeli have blown up the Iranian nuclear programme, a US warship in the gulf has been hit with a missile, something strange in space is destroying satellites
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Testing
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733

    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Rebecca Long Bailey is not Corbyn's protege, she is John McDonnell's - and therein lies the problem.

    The only double barrel names around these days are Premiership footballers of African descent and Labour MPs.

    Freakonomics had a chapter on the name waterfall phenomenon..
    Double barrelled nowadays usually just means unmarried parents.
    I think there's also a move by women to reclaim/keep their matrilineal name (though of course they more than likely came from grandfathers originally).
    Granddaughter-in-law uses her maiden name for work (I think), but hyphenated socially. No, I'm not sure were are either. Thai daughter in law uses her maiden name, except when she's in England.
    A lot of Thai ladies seem to use their maiden name.
    British daughter-in-law uses her maiden name at work, where she'd been for 15 years, but her husbands name socially.
    Daughter always used her married name.

    No, I don't fully understand, either.
    Quite common for female Doctors to work under their maiden name, and use their husbands name socially. Partly to do with stalkers and the like, partly just keeping bits of life in different silos.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Rebecca Long Bailey is not Corbyn's protege, she is John McDonnell's - and therein lies the problem.

    The only double barrel names around these days are Premiership footballers of African descent and Labour MPs.

    Freakonomics had a chapter on the name waterfall phenomenon..
    Double barrelled nowadays usually just means unmarried parents.
    I think there's also a move by women to reclaim/keep their matrilineal name (though of course they more than likely came from grandfathers originally).
    Granddaughter-in-law uses her maiden name for work (I think), but hyphenated socially. No, I'm not sure were are either. Thai daughter in law uses her maiden name, except when she's in England.
    A lot of Thai ladies seem to use their maiden name.
    British daughter-in-law uses her maiden name at work, where she'd been for 15 years, but her husbands name socially.
    Daughter always used her married name.

    No, I don't fully understand, either.
    Quite common for female Doctors to work under their maiden name, and use their husbands name socially. Partly to do with stalkers and the like, partly just keeping bits of life in different silos.
    Much easier in Iceland!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    edited July 2019
    What a sad bunch Farage and his team of small minded xenophobes are. Turning their back on a group of young students Playing 'Ode To Joy' at the opening of the European Parliament. It's not embarrassing for the UK. It's eye opening for the rest of the world who will see what we're like
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Who Boris will be arguing with every day in a few short weeks:

    https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1146102183034785792
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    viewcode said:
    At a fireworks manufacturer judging by his last tweet.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720

    Who Boris will be arguing with every day in a few short weeks:

    https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1146102183034785792

    She’s spoken in favour of a United States of Europe before. 🇪🇺

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/schuldenkrise-von-der-leyen-fordert-die-vereinigten-staaten-von-europa-a-782879.html
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    edited July 2019

    Who Boris will be arguing with every day in a few short weeks:

    https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1146102183034785792

    She’s spoken in favour of a United States of Europe before. 🇪🇺

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/schuldenkrise-von-der-leyen-fordert-die-vereinigten-staaten-von-europa-a-782879.html
    As a German that's a torch paper for a lot of people - a united States of Europe would require Germany to subsidise poorer countries...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478

    Who Boris will be arguing with every day in a few short weeks:

    https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1146102183034785792

    She’s spoken in favour of a United States of Europe before. 🇪🇺

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/schuldenkrise-von-der-leyen-fordert-die-vereinigten-staaten-von-europa-a-782879.html
    Good for her!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Serena Williams is through in straight sets.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Nandy has been all over the shop on Brexit, can't see her in the frame for Lab leadership now
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Rebecca Long Bailey is not Corbyn's protege, she is John McDonnell's - and therein lies the problem.

    The only double barrel names around these days are Premiership footballers of African descent and Labour MPs.

    Freakonomics had a chapter on the name waterfall phenomenon..
    Double barrelled nowadays usually just means unmarried parents.
    I think there's also a move by women to reclaim/keep their matrilineal name (though of course they more than likely came from grandfathers originally).
    Granddaughter-in-law uses her maiden name for work (I think), but hyphenated socially. No, I'm not sure were are either. Thai daughter in law uses her maiden name, except when she's in England.
    A lot of Thai ladies seem to use their maiden name.
    British daughter-in-law uses her maiden name at work, where she'd been for 15 years, but her husbands name socially.
    Daughter always used her married name.

    No, I don't fully understand, either.
    Quite common for female Doctors to work under their maiden name, and use their husbands name socially. Partly to do with stalkers and the like, partly just keeping bits of life in different silos.
    Based on a sample of one lady doctor, it can also be that their degree is in their maiden name so their professional identity is bound up with that.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    Has anybody picked up that Charles Martel is Tusks successor? Or is this old news that I just didn't notice?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Her appointment is a hammer blow for the spitzenkandidat idea. It’s also a major setback for Angela Merkel who had fought hard for that idea.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    viewcode said:

    Has anybody picked up that Charles Martel is Tusks successor? Or is this old news that I just didn't notice?

    Charles Michel, not Charles Martel. Silly viewcode... :(
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Pulpstar said:
    She’s not alone. It is starting to dawn on sensible Labour MPs that the alternative to the deal is indeed no deal not remaining. This is one of the many tricks that May missed by taking no deal off the table. God she made such a mess of this.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Her appointment is a hammer blow for the spitzenkandidat idea. It’s also a major setback for Angela Merkel who had fought hard for that idea.

    So much for democracy in the EU ;)
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Rebecca Long Bailey is not Corbyn's protege, she is John McDonnell's - and therein lies the problem.

    The only double barrel names around these days are Premiership footballers of African descent and Labour MPs.

    Freakonomics had a chapter on the name waterfall phenomenon..
    Double barrelled nowadays usually just means unmarried parents.
    I think there's also a move by women to reclaim/keep their matrilineal name (though of course they more than likely came from grandfathers originally).
    Granddaughter-in-law uses her maiden name for work (I think), but hyphenated socially. No, I'm not sure were are either. Thai daughter in law uses her maiden name, except when she's in England.
    A lot of Thai ladies seem to use their maiden name.
    British daughter-in-law uses her maiden name at work, where she'd been for 15 years, but her husbands name socially.
    Daughter always used her married name.

    No, I don't fully understand, either.
    Quite common for female Doctors to work under their maiden name, and use their husbands name socially. Partly to do with stalkers and the like, partly just keeping bits of life in different silos.
    Its normal for the other type of doctor to keep her maiden name professionally but use her husbands's name socially, even more so if she has publications under her maiden name.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    Christine Lagarde for ECB and Josep Borrel for the long foreign affairs post that I can never remember.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865

    Her appointment is a hammer blow for the spitzenkandidat idea. It’s also a major setback for Angela Merkel who had fought hard for that idea.

    Makes the elections to the EU Parliament even more pointless than they were already. Why on earth did we bother? Why did anyone bother?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    Christine Lagarde has the ECB nomination.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Roger said:

    What a sad bunch Farage and his team of small minded xenophobes are. Turning their back on a group of young students Playing 'Ode To Joy' at the opening of the European Parliament. It's not embarrassing for the UK. It's eye opening for the rest of the world who will see what we're like

    More despicable antics from the Farage hate mob .
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    RobD said:

    Her appointment is a hammer blow for the spitzenkandidat idea. It’s also a major setback for Angela Merkel who had fought hard for that idea.

    So much for democracy in the EU ;)
    You're so right. Our method of electing Prime Ministers is so much better.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    viewcode said:

    Has anybody picked up that Charles Martel is Tusks successor? Or is this old news that I just didn't notice?

    If Charles Martel is Tusk's successor, it definitely is old news. He died about 700CE.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    DavidL said:

    Her appointment is a hammer blow for the spitzenkandidat idea. It’s also a major setback for Angela Merkel who had fought hard for that idea.

    Makes the elections to the EU Parliament even more pointless than they were already. Why on earth did we bother? Why did anyone bother?
    It's because of the EU Parliament elections that the EPP couldn't impose Weber.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Rebecca Long Bailey is not Corbyn's protege, she is John McDonnell's - and therein lies the problem.

    The only double barrel names around these days are Premiership footballers of African descent and Labour MPs.

    Freakonomics had a chapter on the name waterfall phenomenon..
    Double barrelled nowadays usually just means unmarried parents.
    This is also highly country specific. Almost every country ahs different conventions or in the case of France (and many others) Rules that are incompatible with each other. Such as some countries having a different ending for men and women and other countries insisting that a married pair have the same name.

    In Australia I knew someone who had a problem because she was called "le xxx" and none of the computers allowed blanks in a surname.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    https://twitter.com/ProfPech/status/1146107728072466432

    EU needs to get a grip on this, or what's bloody purpose.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    DavidL said:

    Her appointment is a hammer blow for the spitzenkandidat idea. It’s also a major setback for Angela Merkel who had fought hard for that idea.

    Makes the elections to the EU Parliament even more pointless than they were already. Why on earth did we bother? Why did anyone bother?
    Well, look at the bright side. We will be leaving the EU soon and then everybody will stop complaining about the EU, but will knuckle down and apply our best minds and resources to solving the problems that beset the UK by clear-eyed analysis and without recourse to scapegoating or petty abuse.

    Pause.

    Oh, we are so fucked... :(
  • ZephyrZephyr Posts: 438
    eek said:

    Testing

    Yes it sure is, with all this breaking news. Not least Bat Space Thing Monster eating the satellites 😦
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    RobD said:

    Her appointment is a hammer blow for the spitzenkandidat idea. It’s also a major setback for Angela Merkel who had fought hard for that idea.

    So much for democracy in the EU ;)
    The European Parliament has yet to have its say. It may have its own views on the matter.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    eristdoof said:

    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Rebecca Long Bailey is not Corbyn's protege, she is John McDonnell's - and therein lies the problem.

    The only double barrel names around these days are Premiership footballers of African descent and Labour MPs.

    Freakonomics had a chapter on the name waterfall phenomenon..
    Double barrelled nowadays usually just means unmarried parents.
    This is also highly country specific. Almost every country ahs different conventions or in the case of France (and many others) Rules that are incompatible with each other. Such as some countries having a different ending for men and women and other countries insisting that a married pair have the same name.

    In Australia I knew someone who had a problem because she was called "le xxx" and none of the computers allowed blanks in a surname.
    Spain, Russia, Iceland and the USA[1] have different naming conventions. The USA is so widespread we forget that that convention is not universal.

    [1] Hillary Rodham became Hillary Rodham Clinton
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    Who Boris will be arguing with every day in a few short weeks:

    https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1146102183034785792

    She’s spoken in favour of a United States of Europe before. 🇪🇺

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/schuldenkrise-von-der-leyen-fordert-die-vereinigten-staaten-von-europa-a-782879.html
    Good for her!
    Indeed. A federation with lots of democratic features to point to when people complain about the EU and its so-called 'democratic deficit'. States' rights for a start, followed by an elected senate.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    eristdoof said:

    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Rebecca Long Bailey is not Corbyn's protege, she is John McDonnell's - and therein lies the problem.

    The only double barrel names around these days are Premiership footballers of African descent and Labour MPs.

    Freakonomics had a chapter on the name waterfall phenomenon..
    Double barrelled nowadays usually just means unmarried parents.
    This is also highly country specific. Almost every country ahs different conventions or in the case of France (and many others) Rules that are incompatible with each other. Such as some countries having a different ending for men and women and other countries insisting that a married pair have the same name.

    In Australia I knew someone who had a problem because she was called "le xxx" and none of the computers allowed blanks in a surname.
    In spain couples don’t change their name on marriage their children have first name, females family name and then males family name. They actually wonder why we don’t all end up with the same surname in the U.K. but I gave up trying to explain why it didn’t happen this way. It does give problems for single mothers who don’t want to declare fathers name a problem because to satisfy the computer systems the child has to have two surnames. So if mum decides that Johnson was her name and called the child Johnson Johnson then they would assume the child’s father was a close relative.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Prediction: if Boris actually becomes PM and lasts, he will fall out with his CoE over spending/tax.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    I will wait for RCS2000's comments but it's nice to see someone who actually understands economics being appointed to a central bank...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Can't wait to get stuck into that looming sovereign debt/bond crisis obviously.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    edited July 2019
    Advice from PBers.

    What's the best hotel in Blackpool? Preferably close to the beach.

    The stars have (mis)aligned and I need to spend a night in Blackpool.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,534
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/02/hammond-hints-vote-against-new-tory-johnson-hunt-government-halt-no-deal-brexit

    A Hammond-McDonnell Government of National Unity would be fun, and not obviously worse than some of the alternatives - certainly higher in IQ than most.

    Yes, yes, I'm joking.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406

    Advice from PBers.

    What's the best hotel in Blackpool? Preferably close to the beach.

    The stars have (mis)aligned and I need to spend a night in Blackpool.

    Your life has gone wrong if you have to spend a night in Blackpool. Get a Taxi and as a minimum head to Lytham..
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Nominations for EU top jobs

    Eu Commission President: Ursula von der Leyen (Germany, CDU)

    European Central Bank: Christine Lagarde

    EU Council President: Charles Michel (Belgium, Liberals)

    High Representatives for Foreign Affairs: Josep Borell (Spain, Socialists)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    eek said:

    I will wait for RCS2000's comments but it's nice to see someone who actually understands economics being appointed to a central bank...
    Quite. I have just read everything I can find about Labour's business Secretary. She's barely been educated. It used to expected that potential party leaders would have written pamphlets or books. Being an article clerk in a law firm after a short stint at Manchester Polytechnic would have gone nowhere near cutting the mustard. Are they really so bereft of talent at the moment?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038

    Nominations for EU top jobs

    Eu Commission President: Ursula von der Leyen (Germany, CDU)

    European Central Bank: Christine Lagarde

    EU Council President: Charles Michel (Belgium, Liberals)

    High Representatives for Foreign Affairs: Josep Borell (Spain, Socialists)

    I don't think I voted for any of them.

    Just like last time.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,534
    eek said:

    In response to the various speculations - Labour List, which has a genuinely broad range of followers from across the party, regularly polls Shadow Cabinet members. Starmer and McDonnell are IIRC always at the top, and Starmer normally wins. Rebecca Long-Bailey had a good outing at PMQs but needs more exposure, both to test her and make her better-known to the membership.

    If JC stepped down and McDonnell stood, I'd vote for him, but I don't expect either to happen - he really wants to be Chancellor, not PM. If I'm wrong and theres a leadership election, I think that Starmer would have a good chance, if he tacked left in the campaign - members really don't want to wander back to the centre, but they do rate Starmer's performance. An important question is whether lots of centrist members have in fact lapsed like Southam and just not shown up in the numbers yet, or if they rejoin for the election - Starmer will only win if there is a sizable bloc of centrist Remainers who are members.

    How does that work if Starmer tacked left against a more moderate opponent?

    I would have thought Starmer's best approach would be to tack just slightly left against someone more left wing say Long-Bailey...
    The party has always been basically left-wing (cf. Harold Wilson - "Labour is best led from the left") so they wouldn't elect someone who flatly rejected the policies and outlook of recent years, and they'd need persuasion that Starmer wasn't going to do that - e.g. he could make a speech promising not to intervene in Middle East wars or revive PFI. But subject to that, he'd get the remainer and centrist votes plus the people who want to win on a leftish platform.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    edited July 2019

    Nominations for EU top jobs

    Eu Commission President: Ursula von der Leyen (Germany, CDU)

    European Central Bank: Christine Lagarde

    EU Council President: Charles Michel (Belgium, Liberals)

    High Representatives for Foreign Affairs: Josep Borell (Spain, Socialists)

    Hah! Beat you to it, @AndreaParma_82 ! ... :):)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038
    eek said:

    I will wait for RCS2000's comments but it's nice to see someone who actually understands economics being appointed to a central bank...
    Varoufakis would have been an inspired choice.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005

    Advice from PBers.

    What's the best hotel in Blackpool? Preferably close to the beach.

    The stars have (mis)aligned and I need to spend a night in Blackpool.

    I hear The Gallant Pioneer is THE Rangers bar, very close to the beach and a great atmosphere.

    Probably.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Roger said:

    eek said:

    I will wait for RCS2000's comments but it's nice to see someone who actually understands economics being appointed to a central bank...
    Quite. I have just read everything I can find about Labour's business Secretary. She's barely been educated. It used to expected that potential party leaders would have written pamphlets or books. Being an article clerk in a law firm after a short stint at Manchester Polytechnic would have gone nowhere near cutting the mustard. Are they really so bereft of talent at the moment?
    All parties are.. Ask yourself a question,

    Would you really want to be a politician when you could succeed in another industry (the pay is more and the work far less stressfully and without the publicity)...

    Without 24 hour news and social media it was possible to separate being a politician from your private life. Nowadays I don't know how MPs do it and I know a few of them...
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