Where's HYUFD to tell us what this definitively means about the next GE?
Lots of Jeremy Hunt on the telly and the Tories surge past Farage's mob.
Ergo - Hunt is electoral viagra for the Tories, the more he's on telly as PM then the Tories will poll 50% plus soon.
Delusional, almost everyone is assuming Boris is going to win. I doubt most people could recall one interesting thing Jeremy Hunt has ever said, let alone what his Cabinet position is.
What a ridiculous overreaction by the media to this non-event - it's so over the top that Tory members are likely to start feeling more sympathy with Boris, not less.
Indeed.
From the reaction anyone would think Boris has been carted off in a police van on Thursday night...
It is the fact that, if he has to act like this, he lacks the self control to suppress the urge to do so at such a critical juncture. Can you imagine any actual leader, past or present, of a major party in this country behaving like this? If so, who?
He had a row with his partner?
I suspect he was engaged in embarrasing behaviour if it was made public! To be honest if he was he should admit it and then everyone would move on. His refusal to comment on it just leads to more bad publicity and you cannot be opaque in high office.
As there is a tape Boris can't deny anything. If he says even one factoid that is contradicted by the tape the press will be all over him like hungry wolves. As a result he says nothing at all.
Which, actually, if this was an actual serious attempt at knifing Boris the existence of the tape would have been kept secret.
i) Boris hasn't hit Carrie. If it emerges he has then his career will be over pdq - I think if he really was a wife beater it'd have emerged by now. ii) Boris doesn't trust Carrie with his laptop for whatever (Could be genuine Natsec?) reason. Probably flirtatious emails to other women would be my guess though; and in character for Boris. iii) Carrie probably had had a few too many, sounds like she was doing the screaming,shouting, plate and glass throwing etc... - no wonder Boris didn't want to elaborate, throwing your other half under the bus in a barney taped up by your neighbours would have become the story with no good way out.
You’re showing worrying signs of fascism there James
Because he doesn't want to fling his squeeze under a bus ?
This isn't rocket science.
Because Lynton Crosby told him to say nothing? Because Boris knows the Guardian has a recording that his story will be tested against, but can't be sure what is on it? Because today's headlines are tomorrow's fish and chip wrappers?
i) Boris hasn't hit Carrie. If it emerges he has then his career will be over pdq - I think if he really was a wife beater it'd have emerged by now. ii) Boris doesn't trust Carrie with his laptop for whatever (Could be genuine Natsec?) reason. Probably flirtatious emails to other women would be my guess though; and in character for Boris. iii) Carrie probably had had a few too many, sounds like she was doing the screaming,shouting, plate and glass throwing etc... - no wonder Boris didn't want to elaborate, throwing your other half under the bus in a barney taped up by your neighbours would have become the story with no good way out.
OT. A vital election tomorrow with profound implications for democracy in Turkey. The re-run of the Istanbul mayoralty. Polls suggest the opposition CHP candidate stretching his lead to 8%. How Erdogan reacts to this will be crucial. Possibly stormy times ahead if he attempts to rig it / ignore it.
What a ridiculous overreaction by the media to this non-event - it's so over the top that Tory members are likely to start feeling more sympathy with Boris, not less.
Indeed.
From the reaction anyone would think Boris has been carted off in a police van on Thursday night...
It is the fact that, if he has to act like this, he lacks the self control to suppress the urge to do so at such a critical juncture. Can you imagine any actual leader, past or present, of a major party in this country behaving like this? If so, who?
I could easily imagine any of Melbourne, Palmerston, Asquith, Lloyd George, acting in a similar manner.
Really?
And actually you only make my point the stronger, because if they did, they did it in such a way that nobody ever found out about it.
Why does this Dunt fella always have "fucking" this and "fucking" that every time he tweets?
What's the Twitter equivalent of washing your mouth out with carbolic soup?
Some people think it's edgy and satirical to say "fuck."
Yep, even mild-mannered Sunil is at it now (@10:31).
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We'll be adding a quality filter before you can post on PB.
You have to express your views on Radiohead, AV, and why Die Hard isn't a Christmas film, the last one is easy, there are squillions of reasons why it isn't a Christmas film.
If, a big if, Boris becomes PM. It is going to be hilarious watching the ERG turn against him when he messes up.
Not even mess up, I find it quite plausible that Boris would backtrack on much of what he's said about the timetable and negotiations for leaving the EU. I think Boris is a Brexiteer almost entirely due to seeing it as a route to the top job, rather than it being a long held ideological stance.
i) Boris hasn't hit Carrie. If it emerges he has then his career will be over pdq - I think if he really was a wife beater it'd have emerged by now. ii) Boris doesn't trust Carrie with his laptop for whatever (Could be genuine Natsec?) reason. Probably flirtatious emails to other women would be my guess though; and in character for Boris. iii) Carrie probably had had a few too many, sounds like she was doing the screaming,shouting, plate and glass throwing etc... - no wonder Boris didn't want to elaborate, throwing your other half under the bus in a barney taped up by your neighbours would have become the story with no good way out.
To be honest this is all displacement activity.
What matters is his flagship Brexit policy is pure unicorn flavoured lies.
I thought Boris was supposed to be intellegent? He sounds like a lazy individual who is not a master of his brief. Given he campaigned to Leave with the ramifications for the economy and society. It is poor behaviour to be so badly briefed on his flagship policy.
Am I alone in feeling that somehow Boris isn't firing on all cylinders? Not only isn't on top of some really basic questions, but there is a kind of malaise about him.
Does he really want this?
If he was drinking wine on his own he might have a hangover. It maybe he is a serious boozer behind closed doors. It could also be the fact he has been caught out as not really having an agenda he wants to implement, even his Brexit plan is not nailed down. Politic abores a vaccum and Boris has little to say so scrutiny turns to critism.
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
Why does this Dunt fella always have "fucking" this and "fucking" that every time he tweets?
What's the Twitter equivalent of washing your mouth out with carbolic soup?
Some people think it's edgy and satirical to say "fuck."
Yep, even mild-mannered Sunil is at it now (@10:31).
We'll be having to prove our ages to sign up to PB soon.
We'll be adding a quality filter before you can post on PB.
You have to express your views on Radiohead, AV, and why Die Hard isn't a Christmas film, the last one is easy, there are squillions of reasons why it isn't a Christmas film.
Thankfully the pizza portion of the test has been dropped.
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
HYUFD will not like this. Only a 2% premium for Boris. I thought 37% would vote Tory if HE was PM.
Where's HYUFD to tell us what this definitively means about the next GE?
Lots of Jeremy Hunt on the telly and the Tories surge past Farage's mob.
Ergo - Hunt is electoral viagra for the Tories, the more he's on telly as PM then the Tories will poll 50% plus soon.
Delusional, almost everyone is assuming Boris is going to win. I doubt most people could recall one interesting thing Jeremy Hunt has ever said, let alone what his Cabinet position is.
They will do as there are another 15 hustings like todays which Hunt clearly won
What a ridiculous overreaction by the media to this non-event - it's so over the top that Tory members are likely to start feeling more sympathy with Boris, not less.
Indeed.
From the reaction anyone would think Boris has been carted off in a police van on Thursday night...
It is the fact that, if he has to act like this, he lacks the self control to suppress the urge to do so at such a critical juncture. Can you imagine any actual leader, past or present, of a major party in this country behaving like this? If so, who?
I could easily imagine any of Melbourne, Palmerston, Asquith, Lloyd George, acting in a similar manner.
Really?
And actually you only make my point the stronger, because if they did, they did it in such a way that nobody ever found out about it.
People were more tolerant of wayward behaviour among politicians in the past. Melbourne flagellated young servant girls, Palmerston was a serial lecher, Asquith was a drunk, and Lloyd George any other serial lecher.
If, a big if, Boris becomes PM. It is going to be hilarious watching the ERG turn against him when he messes up.
Not even mess up, I find it quite plausible that Boris would backtrack on much of what he's said about the timetable and negotiations for leaving the EU. I think Boris is a Brexiteer almost entirely due to seeing it as a route to the top job, rather than it being a long held ideological stance.
Of course he is. Both he and Hunt are vacuous opportunists who believe only in their own personal advancement. Belief and principle are unknown to them.
I thought Boris was supposed to be intellegent? He sounds like a lazy individual who is not a master of his brief. Given he campaigned to Leave with the ramifications for the economy and society. It is poor behaviour to be so badly briefed on his flagship policy.
Am I alone in feeling that somehow Boris isn't firing on all cylinders? Not only isn't on top of some really basic questions, but there is a kind of malaise about him.
Does he really want this?
Well, he did get cold feet last time just because of Gove of all people. But he's worked toward this for bloody ages, I am sure he wants is so very badly. That might be why he is not firing on all cylinders, he knows he is so close now and is slightly wary of cocking up. But he has so much support behind him and top advisers, he may just be waiting for the right moment.
Boris is being advised by Lynton Crosby who invariably advises those leading in the polls to say nothing -- same with Theresa May in 2017 and Cameron before her. Boris in any case hates being interviewed, as Londoners (or at least London journalists and assembly members) will remember from his time as Mayor.
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
But i thought Johnson was going to get 37% of the vote and 395 seats? Wonder what other "introductory" questions the Telegraph put into their "Boris Launch" poll a few weeks ago?
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
HYUFD will not like this. Only a 2% premium for Boris. I thought 37% would vote Tory if HE was PM.
If, a big if, Boris becomes PM. It is going to be hilarious watching the ERG turn against him when he messes up.
Not even mess up, I find it quite plausible that Boris would backtrack on much of what he's said about the timetable and negotiations for leaving the EU. I think Boris is a Brexiteer almost entirely due to seeing it as a route to the top job, rather than it being a long held ideological stance.
Yep, looks that way. His first briefing from the Cabinet Sec will be one to be a fly on the wall for.
"Nothing you have said about Brexit in the leadership contest is deliverable or indeed true, Prime Minister" etc etc
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
HYUFD will not like this. Only a 2% premium for Boris. I thought 37% would vote Tory if HE was PM.
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
Margin of error...
The Tories might as well stick with MayDay on those numbers.
Boris isn't very good at detail, not to worry, it's not about anything major
He's either dishonest or he's ignorant, either way it's worrying that someone who was in the cabinet, was Foreign Secretary, and wants to be PM should get the basics of leaving the EU so wrong.
Par for the course these days. We had a Brexit Secretary who did not know Dover was on the way to France, and a Northern Ireland Secretary who was surprised to learn that nationalists and loyalists vote for different parties. And then there is Boris.
What a ridiculous overreaction by the media to this non-event - it's so over the top that Tory members are likely to start feeling more sympathy with Boris, not less.
Indeed.
From the reaction anyone would think Boris has been carted off in a police van on Thursday night...
It is the fact that, if he has to act like this, he lacks the self control to suppress the urge to do so at such a critical juncture. Can you imagine any actual leader, past or present, of a major party in this country behaving like this? If so, who?
I could easily imagine any of Melbourne, Palmerston, Asquith, Lloyd George, acting in a similar manner.
Really?
And actually you only make my point the stronger, because if they did, they did it in such a way that nobody ever found out about it.
People were more tolerant of wayward behaviour among politicians in the past. Melbourne flagellated young servant girls, Palmerston was a serial lecher, Asquith was a drunk, and Lloyd George any other serial lecher.
Why does this Dunt fella always have "fucking" this and "fucking" that every time he tweets?
What's the Twitter equivalent of washing your mouth out with carbolic soup?
Some people think it's edgy and satirical to say "fuck."
Yep, even mild-mannered Sunil is at it now (@10:31).
We'll be having to prove our ages to sign up to PB soon.
We'll be adding a quality filter before you can post on PB.
You have to express your views on Radiohead, AV, and why Die Hard isn't a Christmas film, the last one is easy, there are squillions of reasons why it isn't a Christmas film.
1) I'm not too familiar with Radiohead (more a Depeche Mode fan!)
2) Would that be the same AV wot was rejected by the UK voters by 68% to 32% in 2011?
3) Die Hard most certainly a Christmas film
* It's set during Christmas, FFS! * Bruce Willis's barefoot allegory to Jesus the Weary Traveller * Bruce Willis is Santa: He writes "Ho Ho Ho! Now I have a machine gun!" AND he whistles the tune to "Jingle Bells"! * It features "Christmas in Hollis" by Run-DMC * It features "Let it Snow" by Vaughan Monroe * The Limo Driver quips at the end: "If this is their idea of Christmas, I gotta be here for New Year's!"
OT. A vital election tomorrow with profound implications for democracy in Turkey. The re-run of the Istanbul mayoralty. Polls suggest the opposition CHP candidate stretching his lead to 8%. How Erdogan reacts to this will be crucial. Possibly stormy times ahead if he attempts to rig it / ignore it.
Very interesting! Will they count tomorrow?
They usually do. The election results show being pulled off TV at 9pm last time was the signal AKP had lost. Interestingly the opposition candidate has been in place as Mayor for the past 3 months. So, he has the advantage of recent incumbency. And of turning up to meet with ordinary voters too.
Trump has countless millions inherited from daddy he used to tie them into confidentiality agreements. The tabloids published his one with Ivana years ago iirc.
I hope you mean Ivanka! 😆
Ivanka is the First Daughter. Ivana is Ivanka's mother, and Donald's ex-wife (or one of them).
I realise... I always get them the wrong way round!
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
HYUFD will not like this. Only a 2% premium for Boris. I thought 37% would vote Tory if HE was PM.
That was yesterday
Boris Johnson’s girlfriend has said they have been stitched up by left wing neighbours, so what has Boris actually done wrong ? This is just plain silly
Boris isn't very good at detail, not to worry, it's not about anything major
He's either dishonest or he's ignorant, either way it's worrying that someone who was in the cabinet, was Foreign Secretary, and wants to be PM should get the basics of leaving the EU so wrong.
Where's HYUFD to tell us what this definitively means about the next GE?
Lots of Jeremy Hunt on the telly and the Tories surge past Farage's mob.
Ergo - Hunt is electoral viagra for the Tories, the more he's on telly as PM then the Tories will poll 50% plus soon.
Always good to get your unbiased disinterested views TSE
You will be delighted by the morning thread, my fair and impartial analysis on the Tory leadership contest.
Indeed and that from a PBer with a Jeremy Hunt for PM 100/1 betting slip stuffed down his string vest and Y front combinations.
Remarkable.
I don't even mention my tips on Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1
Your reticence, demur and unassuming behaviour has always been one of your great strengths matched only by your having the fashion sense of a combination of Denis Skinner and Ann Widdecombe.
Why does this Dunt fella always have "fucking" this and "fucking" that every time he tweets?
What's the Twitter equivalent of washing your mouth out with carbolic soup?
Some people think it's edgy and satirical to say "fuck."
Yep, even mild-mannered Sunil is at it now (@10:31).
We'll be having to prove our ages to sign up to PB soon.
We'll be adding a quality filter before you can post on PB.
You have to express your views on Radiohead, AV, and why Die Hard isn't a Christmas film, the last one is easy, there are squillions of reasons why it isn't a Christmas film.
1) I'm not too familiar with Radiohead (more a Depeche Mode fan!)
2) Would that be the same AV wot was rejected by the UK voters by 68% to 32% in 2011?
3) Die Hard most certainly a Christmas film
* It's set during Christmas, FFS! * Bruce Willis's barefoot allegory to Jesus the Weary Traveller * Bruce Willis is Santa: He writes "Ho Ho Ho! Now I have a machine gun!" AND he whistles the tune to "Jingle Bells"! * It features "Christmas in Hollis" by Run-DMC * It features "Let it Snow" by Vaughan Williams * The Limo Driver quips at the end: "If this is their idea of Christmas, I gotta be here for New Year's!"
Argh - merely being set in a particular time or mentioning an event does not make a film of a particular genre. Is Jack Reacher 2 basically the same as Halloween and Boo 2: A Madea Halloween, because it too takes place on Halloween?
Is it a Christmas movie is not the same question as 'Is it set at Christmas?' Is Iron Man 3 a Christmas Movie?
If 5 minutes of find and replace with Microsoft Word could eliminate Christmas and not affect the plot in the slightest, it ain't a 'Christmas movie'. Christmas is the setting, not the theme, and any setting would have worked.
Where's HYUFD to tell us what this definitively means about the next GE?
Lots of Jeremy Hunt on the telly and the Tories surge past Farage's mob.
Ergo - Hunt is electoral viagra for the Tories, the more he's on telly as PM then the Tories will poll 50% plus soon.
Always good to get your unbiased disinterested views TSE
You will be delighted by the morning thread, my fair and impartial analysis on the Tory leadership contest.
Indeed and that from a PBer with a Jeremy Hunt for PM 100/1 betting slip stuffed down his string vest and Y front combinations.
Remarkable.
I don't even mention my tips on Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1
Your reticence, demur and unassuming behaviour has always been one of your great strengths matched only by your having the fashion sense of a combination of Denis Skinner and Ann Widdecombe.
Fashion critics have described his style as “unique”.
Boris has looked deflated for a while. As I said this morning he shows signs that he knows he is near being PM but at the same time knows he cannot fulfil his unicorn promises and could be the shortest time served PM in history
Indeed after the last 24 hours I am not wholly convinced he will still be in the race by the 22nd July, having self combusted in the meantime
Why does this Dunt fella always have "fucking" this and "fucking" that every time he tweets?
What's the Twitter equivalent of washing your mouth out with carbolic soup?
Some people think it's edgy and satirical to say "fuck."
Yep, even mild-mannered Sunil is at it now (@10:31).
We'll be having to prove our ages to sign up to PB soon.
We'll be adding a quality filter before you can post on PB.
You have to express your views on Radiohead, AV, and why Die Hard isn't a Christmas film, the last one is easy, there are squillions of reasons why it isn't a Christmas film.
1) I'm not too familiar with Radiohead (more a Depeche Mode fan!)
2) Would that be the same AV wot was rejected by the UK voters by 68% to 32% in 2011?
3) Die Hard most certainly a Christmas film
* It's set during Christmas, FFS! * Bruce Willis's barefoot allegory to Jesus the Weary Traveller * Bruce Willis is Santa: He writes "Ho Ho Ho! Now I have a machine gun!" AND he whistles the tune to "Jingle Bells"! * It features "Christmas in Hollis" by Run-DMC * It features "Let it Snow" by Vaughan Monroe * The Limo Driver quips at the end: "If this is their idea of Christmas, I gotta be here for New Year's!"
And it was shot on location on SANTA Monica Boulevard. If that's not conclusive what is?
Why does this Dunt fella always have "fucking" this and "fucking" that every time he tweets?
What's the Twitter equivalent of washing your mouth out with carbolic soup?
Some people think it's edgy and satirical to say "fuck."
Yep, even mild-mannered Sunil is at it now (@10:31).
We'll be having to prove our ages to sign up to PB soon.
We'll be adding a quality filter before you can post on PB.
You have to express your views on Radiohead, AV, and why Die Hard isn't a Christmas film, the last one is easy, there are squillions of reasons why it isn't a Christmas film.
1) I'm not too familiar with Radiohead (more a Depeche Mode fan!)
2) Would that be the same AV wot was rejected by the UK voters by 68% to 32% in 2011?
3) Die Hard most certainly a Christmas film
* It's set during Christmas, FFS! * Bruce Willis's barefoot allegory to Jesus the Weary Traveller * Bruce Willis is Santa: He writes "Ho Ho Ho! Now I have a machine gun!" AND he whistles the tune to "Jingle Bells"! * It features "Christmas in Hollis" by Run-DMC * It features "Let it Snow" by Vaughan Williams * The Limo Driver quips at the end: "If this is their idea of Christmas, I gotta be here for New Year's!"
Argh - merely being set in a particular time or mentioning an event does not make a film of a particular genre. Is Jack Reacher 2 basically the same as Halloween and Boo 2: A Madea Halloween, because it too takes place on Halloween?
Is it a Christmas movie is not the same question as 'Is it set at Christmas?' Is Iron Man 3 a Christmas Movie?
If 5 minutes of find and replace with Microsoft Word could eliminate Christmas and not affect the plot in the slightest, it ain't a 'Christmas movie'. Christmas is the setting, not the theme, and any setting would have worked.
But TSE is just trolling us. Good night.
Isn’t the theme family reunions? That’s very Christmassy.
Boris has looked deflated for a while. As I said this morning he shows signs that he knows he is near being PM but at the same time knows he cannot fulfil his unicorn promises and could be the shortest time served PM in history
Indeed after the last 24 hours I am not wholly convinced he will still be in the race by the 22nd July, having self combusted in the meantime
The short PM, sure, but as for the other thing, you really think something so serious he will pull out will happen? Come on.
i) Boris hasn't hit Carrie. If it emerges he has then his career will be over pdq - I think if he really was a wife beater it'd have emerged by now. ii) Boris doesn't trust Carrie with his laptop for whatever (Could be genuine Natsec?) reason. Probably flirtatious emails to other women would be my guess though; and in character for Boris. iii) Carrie probably had had a few too many, sounds like she was doing the screaming,shouting, plate and glass throwing etc... - no wonder Boris didn't want to elaborate, throwing your other half under the bus in a barney taped up by your neighbours would have become the story with no good way out.
It's good to know that our potential Prime Minister is not a wife [ partner ] beater !
There is going to be hell to pay when the membership find out they are buying pure snake oil.
Are there any leavers on here who think the above can be delivered (without EU agreement)? If you dont think they can be delivered, do you approve of the lying to less informed voters to keep them onside?
Why does this Dunt fella always have "fucking" this and "fucking" that every time he tweets?
What's the Twitter equivalent of washing your mouth out with carbolic soup?
Some people think it's edgy and satirical to say "fuck."
Yep, even mild-mannered Sunil is at it now (@10:31).
We'll be having to prove our ages to sign up to PB soon.
We'll be adding a quality filter before you can post on PB.
You have to express your views on Radiohead, AV, and why Die Hard isn't a Christmas film, the last one is easy, there are squillions of reasons why it isn't a Christmas film.
1) I'm not too familiar with Radiohead (more a Depeche Mode fan!)
2) Would that be the same AV wot was rejected by the UK voters by 68% to 32% in 2011?
3) Die Hard most certainly a Christmas film
* It's set during Christmas, FFS! * Bruce Willis's barefoot allegory to Jesus the Weary Traveller * Bruce Willis is Santa: He writes "Ho Ho Ho! Now I have a machine gun!" AND he whistles the tune to "Jingle Bells"! * It features "Christmas in Hollis" by Run-DMC * It features "Let it Snow" by Vaughan Williams * The Limo Driver quips at the end: "If this is their idea of Christmas, I gotta be here for New Year's!"
Argh - merely being set in a particular time or mentioning an event does not make a film of a particular genre. Is Jack Reacher 2 basically the same as Halloween and Boo 2: A Madea Halloween, because it too takes place on Halloween?
Is it a Christmas movie is not the same question as 'Is it set at Christmas?' Is Iron Man 3 a Christmas Movie?
If 5 minutes of find and replace with Microsoft Word could eliminate Christmas and not affect the plot in the slightest, it ain't a 'Christmas movie'. Christmas is the setting, not the theme, and any setting would have worked.
But TSE is just trolling us. Good night.
Isn’t the theme family reunions? That’s very Christmassy.
It can be, but it's tissue paper thin and hardly inherent to the film. Thanksgiving would work just as well, possibly even more so, though the imagery and soundtrack would not be as easy.
Why does this Dunt fella always have "fucking" this and "fucking" that every time he tweets?
What's the Twitter equivalent of washing your mouth out with carbolic soup?
Some people think it's edgy and satirical to say "fuck."
Yep, even mild-mannered Sunil is at it now (@10:31).
We'll be having to prove our ages to sign up to PB soon.
We'll be adding a quality filter before you can post on PB.
You have to express your views on Radiohead, AV, and why Die Hard isn't a Christmas film, the last one is easy, there are squillions of reasons why it isn't a Christmas film.
1) I'm not too familiar with Radiohead (more a Depeche Mode fan!)
2) Would that be the same AV wot was rejected by the UK voters by 68% to 32% in 2011?
3) Die Hard most certainly a Christmas film
* It's set during Christmas, FFS! * Bruce Willis's barefoot allegory to Jesus the Weary Traveller * Bruce Willis is Santa: He writes "Ho Ho Ho! Now I have a machine gun!" AND he whistles the tune to "Jingle Bells"! * It features "Christmas in Hollis" by Run-DMC * It features "Let it Snow" by Vaughan Williams * The Limo Driver quips at the end: "If this is their idea of Christmas, I gotta be here for New Year's!"
Argh - merely being set in a particular time or mentioning an event does not make a film of a particular genre. Is Jack Reacher 2 basically the same as Halloween and Boo 2: A Madea Halloween, because it too takes place on Halloween?
Is it a Christmas movie is not the same question as 'Is it set at Christmas?' Is Iron Man 3 a Christmas Movie?
If 5 minutes of find and replace with Microsoft Word could eliminate Christmas and not affect the plot in the slightest, it ain't a 'Christmas movie'. Christmas is the setting, not the theme, and any setting would have worked.
But TSE is just trolling us. Good night.
Isn’t the theme family reunions? That’s very Christmassy.
It can be, but it's tissue paper thin and hardly inherent to the film. Thanksgiving would work just as well, possibly even more so, though the imagery and soundtrack would not be as easy.
Why does this Dunt fella always have "fucking" this and "fucking" that every time he tweets?
What's the Twitter equivalent of washing your mouth out with carbolic soup?
Some people think it's edgy and satirical to say "fuck."
Yep, even mild-mannered Sunil is at it now (@10:31).
We'll be having to prove our ages to sign up to PB soon.
We'll be adding a quality filter before you can post on PB.
You have to express your views on Radiohead, AV, and why Die Hard isn't a Christmas film, the last one is easy, there are squillions of reasons why it isn't a Christmas film.
1) I'm not too familiar with Radiohead (more a Depeche Mode fan!)
2) Would that be the same AV wot was rejected by the UK voters by 68% to 32% in 2011?
3) Die Hard most certainly a Christmas film
* It's set during Christmas, FFS! * Bruce Willis's barefoot allegory to Jesus the Weary Traveller * Bruce Willis is Santa: He writes "Ho Ho Ho! Now I have a machine gun!" AND he whistles the tune to "Jingle Bells"! * It features "Christmas in Hollis" by Run-DMC * It features "Let it Snow" by Vaughan Williams * The Limo Driver quips at the end: "If this is their idea of Christmas, I gotta be here for New Year's!"
Argh - merely being set in a particular time or mentioning an event does not make a film of a particular genre. Is Jack Reacher 2 basically the same as Halloween and Boo 2: A Madea Halloween, because it too takes place on Halloween?
Is it a Christmas movie is not the same question as 'Is it set at Christmas?' Is Iron Man 3 a Christmas Movie?
If 5 minutes of find and replace with Microsoft Word could eliminate Christmas and not affect the plot in the slightest, it ain't a 'Christmas movie'. Christmas is the setting, not the theme, and any setting would have worked.
But TSE is just trolling us. Good night.
Isn’t the theme family reunions? That’s very Christmassy.
It can be, but it's tissue paper thin and hardly inherent to the film. Thanksgiving would work just as well, possibly even more so, though the imagery and soundtrack would not be as easy.
"Planes, Trains and Automobiles" is most definitely a Thanksgiving movie. It's, um, set during Thanksgiving!
Boris has looked deflated for a while. As I said this morning he shows signs that he knows he is near being PM but at the same time knows he cannot fulfil his unicorn promises and could be the shortest time served PM in history
Indeed after the last 24 hours I am not wholly convinced he will still be in the race by the 22nd July, having self combusted in the meantime
Boris has looked deflated for a while. As I said this morning he shows signs that he knows he is near being PM but at the same time knows he cannot fulfil his unicorn promises and could be the shortest time served PM in history
Indeed after the last 24 hours I am not wholly convinced he will still be in the race by the 22nd July, having self combusted in the meantime
The short PM, sure, but as for the other thing, you really think something so serious he will pull out will happen? Come on.
I am not suggesting something serious will come out, I just think he could crash in the polls over the next 15, yes 15, televised hustings and lose his mojo completely
Boris has looked deflated for a while. As I said this morning he shows signs that he knows he is near being PM but at the same time knows he cannot fulfil his unicorn promises and could be the shortest time served PM in history
Indeed after the last 24 hours I am not wholly convinced he will still be in the race by the 22nd July, having self combusted in the meantime
Why does this Dunt fella always have "fucking" this and "fucking" that every time he tweets?
What's the Twitter equivalent of washing your mouth out with carbolic soup?
Some people think it's edgy and satirical to say "fuck."
Yep, even mild-mannered Sunil is at it now (@10:31).
We'll be having to prove our ages to sign up to PB soon.
We'll be adding a quality filter before you can post on PB.
You have to express your views on Radiohead, AV, and why Die Hard isn't a Christmas film, the last one is easy, there are squillions of reasons why it isn't a Christmas film.
1) I'm not too familiar with Radiohead (more a Depeche Mode fan!)
2) Would that be the same AV wot was rejected by the UK voters by 68% to 32% in 2011?
3) Die Hard most certainly a Christmas film
* It's set during Christmas, FFS! * Bruce Willis's barefoot allegory to Jesus the Weary Traveller * Bruce Willis is Santa: He writes "Ho Ho Ho! Now I have a machine gun!" AND he whistles the tune to "Jingle Bells"! * It features "Christmas in Hollis" by Run-DMC * It features "Let it Snow" by Vaughan Williams * The Limo Driver quips at the end: "If this is their idea of Christmas, I gotta be here for New Year's!"
Argh - merely being set in a particular time or mentioning an event does not make a film of a particular genre. Is Jack Reacher 2 basically the same as Halloween and Boo 2: A Madea Halloween, because it too takes place on Halloween?
Is it a Christmas movie is not the same question as 'Is it set at Christmas?' Is Iron Man 3 a Christmas Movie?
If 5 minutes of find and replace with Microsoft Word could eliminate Christmas and not affect the plot in the slightest, it ain't a 'Christmas movie'. Christmas is the setting, not the theme, and any setting would have worked.
But TSE is just trolling us. Good night.
The 3 rules of a Christmas movie:
1. The action has to take place at Christmas. 2. Christmas has to be used as a plot device. 3. Christmas has to be referenced throughout the screenplay.
Boris has looked deflated for a while. As I said this morning he shows signs that he knows he is near being PM but at the same time knows he cannot fulfil his unicorn promises and could be the shortest time served PM in history
Indeed after the last 24 hours I am not wholly convinced he will still be in the race by the 22nd July, having self combusted in the meantime
Where's HYUFD to tell us what this definitively means about the next GE?
Lots of Jeremy Hunt on the telly and the Tories surge past Farage's mob.
Ergo - Hunt is electoral viagra for the Tories, the more he's on telly as PM then the Tories will poll 50% plus soon.
Always good to get your unbiased disinterested views TSE
You will be delighted by the morning thread, my fair and impartial analysis on the Tory leadership contest.
Indeed and that from a PBer with a Jeremy Hunt for PM 100/1 betting slip stuffed down his string vest and Y front combinations.
Remarkable.
I don't even mention my tips on Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1
Your reticence, demur and unassuming behaviour has always been one of your great strengths matched only by your having the fashion sense of a combination of Denis Skinner and Ann Widdecombe.
Fashion critics have described his style as “unique”.
And who would dispute that statement?
And on that point of rare unity on PB I must away to my bed chamber for a few hours of rest and calm before the shock and awe of TSE's morning thread overwhelms us all.
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Boris has looked deflated for a while. As I said this morning he shows signs that he knows he is near being PM but at the same time knows he cannot fulfil his unicorn promises and could be the shortest time served PM in history
Indeed after the last 24 hours I am not wholly convinced he will still be in the race by the 22nd July, having self combusted in the meantime
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
HYUFD will not like this. Only a 2% premium for Boris. I thought 37% would vote Tory if HE was PM.
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
Margin of error...
The Tories might as well stick with MayDay on those numbers.
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
But i thought Johnson was going to get 37% of the vote and 395 seats? Wonder what other "introductory" questions the Telegraph put into their "Boris Launch" poll a few weeks ago?
A slight additional net swing from Tory to LibDem with Boris. Boris does better against the BXP, but that’s mostly a question of stemming Tory losses in the first place.
There's more snow in Empire Strikes Back than Die Hard.
Die Hard was also released in July, definitely not at Christmas.
The 3 rules of a Christmas movie:
1. The action has to take place at Christmas. 2. Christmas has to be used as a plot device. 3. Christmas has to be referenced throughout the screenplay.
And who gives a fuck about release date? Schindler's List was released in 1993, but is clearly a World War 2 movie.
Boris has looked deflated for a while. As I said this morning he shows signs that he knows he is near being PM but at the same time knows he cannot fulfil his unicorn promises and could be the shortest time served PM in history
Indeed after the last 24 hours I am not wholly convinced he will still be in the race by the 22nd July, having self combusted in the meantime
The short PM, sure, but as for the other thing, you really think something so serious he will pull out will happen? Come on.
I am not suggesting something serious will come out, I just think he could crash in the polls over the next 15, yes 15, televised hustings and lose his mojo completely
Boris looked fine to me and unlike Hunt was clear that No Deal must be on the table and indeed may be the only way to get a Deal
Boris has looked deflated for a while. As I said this morning he shows signs that he knows he is near being PM but at the same time knows he cannot fulfil his unicorn promises and could be the shortest time served PM in history
Indeed after the last 24 hours I am not wholly convinced he will still be in the race by the 22nd July, having self combusted in the meantime
Boris has looked deflated for a while. As I said this morning he shows signs that he knows he is near being PM but at the same time knows he cannot fulfil his unicorn promises and could be the shortest time served PM in history
Indeed after the last 24 hours I am not wholly convinced he will still be in the race by the 22nd July, having self combusted in the meantime
The short PM, sure, but as for the other thing, you really think something so serious he will pull out will happen? Come on.
I am not suggesting something serious will come out, I just think he could crash in the polls over the next 15, yes 15, televised hustings and lose his mojo completely
Boris looked fine to me and unlike Hunt was clear that No Deal must be on the table and indeed may be the only way to get a Deal
Of course he looks fine to you. You are besotted with him and even in denial over tonights polling that shows he is far from winning 395 seats, even a majority
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
HYUFD will not like this. Only a 2% premium for Boris. I thought 37% would vote Tory if HE was PM.
So Boris still increases the Tory voteshare by 2% to be tied with Labour while Hunt cuts the Tories voteshare by 1% and is 3% behind Labour.
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
HYUFD will not like this. Only a 2% premium for Boris. I thought 37% would vote Tory if HE was PM.
So Boris still increases the Tory voteshare by 2% to be tied with Labour while Hunt cuts the Tories voteshare by 1% and is 3% behind Labour.
I don't doubt that Boris will be a better vote-getter than Hunt. OTOH, Hunt is a better person.
May is a moral, good person, that did not enable her to win a general election though did it
Corbyn is also a moral good person. So the two positives cancelled each other out.
And Boris is a disgusting immoral cad. This will be damaging. Ed M never got over the fratricide factor and Boris' reputation as mysoginistic womaniser will prove similarly difficult to shift.
So much like Rory Stewart Hunt is popular with Labour and LD voters who will never vote Tory while Boris is still the strong favourite of 2017 Tories to be PM who actually might vote Tory
Boris has looked deflated for a while. As I said this morning he shows signs that he knows he is near being PM but at the same time knows he cannot fulfil his unicorn promises and could be the shortest time served PM in history
Indeed after the last 24 hours I am not wholly convinced he will still be in the race by the 22nd July, having self combusted in the meantime
The short PM, sure, but as for the other thing, you really think something so serious he will pull out will happen? Come on.
I am not suggesting something serious will come out, I just think he could crash in the polls over the next 15, yes 15, televised hustings and lose his mojo completely
Boris looked fine to me and unlike Hunt was clear that No Deal must be on the table and indeed may be the only way to get a Deal
In Bed With Boris. Not a great place to be by all accounts
So much like Rory Stewart Hunt is popular with Labour and LD voters who will never vote Tory while Boris is still the strong favourite of 2017 Tories to be PM who actually might vote Tory
How did David Cameron first take the Tories into government and then win the Tories a majority?
He won over voters who didn't vote Tory previously.
So much like Rory Stewart Hunt is popular with Labour and LD voters who will never vote Tory while Boris is still the strong favourite of 2017 Tories to be PM who actually might vote Tory
The change between the two polls was larger for Conservative voters, though. Perhaps the lead for Johnson will not last?
The hypothetical with Boris in charge stems TBP. But doesn't change the fundamentals. Lab 267 Con 248 LD. 66 SNP. 38 TBP. 9 Green. 1 PC. 3 NI. 18
FWIW. Doesn't look like an early election would be very appealing for BJ.
This might not be so bad given the other options. Lab-Lib-SNP government which might not be entirely stable, Con still overwhelmingly dominant as opposition, Boris could probably stay on as leader.
He'd then personally in charge of the Leave side in the re-referendum. If Leave wins the Labour side still have to deal with the entire shit sandwich and the Tories can get back in next time, with Brexit done and Labour's fault. If Remain wins Boris is established as the leader of the betrayed and defeated leaver tribe, who will be riled up to vote, but the voters won't be up for a *third* EU referendum, so he can win the next election and go back to actually governing.
So much like Rory Stewart Hunt is popular with Labour and LD voters who will never vote Tory while Boris is still the strong favourite of 2017 Tories to be PM who actually might vote Tory
You are beginning to whistle in the wind. Even the 2017 voters have lost him 10% in just two days.
Another 15 hustings like today could have very serious consequences for his leadership
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios. Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt CON 24%, 26%, 23% LAB 26%, 26%, 26% LD 18%, 21%, 18% BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
HYUFD will not like this. Only a 2% premium for Boris. I thought 37% would vote Tory if HE was PM.
So Boris still increases the Tory voteshare by 2% to be tied with Labour while Hunt cuts the Tories voteshare by 1% and is 3% behind Labour.
Pro independence: 41% (+8) Against independence: 59% (-8)
This excludes 29% (+2) undecided.
Fieldwork: 10-15 May 2019 Sample size: 1,133
A interesting question for pollsters is, if Scotland has left, would you support Wales becoming independent or would you wish to stay in the Union with England?
Once Scotland has gone, then Wales will go within the next decade.
Wales was united with England for centuries before Scotland joined the Union and voted Leave by exactly the same margin as the UK as a whole.
Note even on that Yougov poll Welsh voters reject independence by a big 18% margin
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Yep, even mild-mannered Sunil is at it now (@10:31).
We'll be having to prove our ages to sign up to PB soon.
If he says even one factoid that is contradicted by the tape the press will be all over him like hungry wolves. As a result he says nothing at all.
Which, actually, if this was an actual serious attempt at knifing Boris the existence of the tape would have been kept secret.
And actually you only make my point the stronger, because if they did, they did it in such a way that nobody ever found out about it.
You have to express your views on Radiohead, AV, and why Die Hard isn't a Christmas film, the last one is easy, there are squillions of reasons why it isn't a Christmas film.
What matters is his flagship Brexit policy is pure unicorn flavoured lies.
Survation.
@Survation
5m5 minutes ago
We also included hypothetical "if Boris, if Hunt" Conservative leader scenarios.
Current, IF Boris, IF Hunt
CON 24%, 26%, 23%
LAB 26%, 26%, 26%
LD 18%, 21%, 18%
BREX 20%, 16%, 21%
Remarkable.
Lab 258
Con 195
Brx 73
LD 62
SNP 40
PC 3
Green 1
NI 18
Remainer coalition.
Melbourne flagellated young servant girls, Palmerston was a serial lecher, Asquith was a drunk, and Lloyd George any other serial lecher.
"Nothing you have said about Brexit in the leadership contest is deliverable or indeed true, Prime Minister" etc etc
Not that he will get that far.
Or perhaps Sir Graham Brady’s time has come?
2) Would that be the same AV wot was rejected by the UK voters by 68% to 32% in 2011?
3) Die Hard most certainly a Christmas film
* It's set during Christmas, FFS!
* Bruce Willis's barefoot allegory to Jesus the Weary Traveller
* Bruce Willis is Santa: He writes "Ho Ho Ho! Now I have a machine gun!" AND he whistles the tune to "Jingle Bells"!
* It features "Christmas in Hollis" by Run-DMC
* It features "Let it Snow" by Vaughan Monroe
* The Limo Driver quips at the end: "If this is their idea of Christmas, I gotta be here for New Year's!"
Interestingly the opposition candidate has been in place as Mayor for the past 3 months. So, he has the advantage of recent incumbency. And of turning up to meet with ordinary voters too.
Then after the next GE Layla becomes PM once she has sorted my computer cable out 👿
Is it a Christmas movie is not the same question as 'Is it set at Christmas?' Is Iron Man 3 a Christmas Movie?
If 5 minutes of find and replace with Microsoft Word could eliminate Christmas and not affect the plot in the slightest, it ain't a 'Christmas movie'. Christmas is the setting, not the theme, and any setting would have worked.
But TSE is just trolling us. Good night.
Indeed after the last 24 hours I am not wholly convinced he will still be in the race by the 22nd July, having self combusted in the meantime
If you dont think they can be delivered, do you approve of the lying to less informed voters to keep them onside?
Die Hard was also released in July, definitely not at Christmas.
FWIW I think Brexit will be over if Bojo loses.
1. The action has to take place at Christmas.
2. Christmas has to be used as a plot device.
3. Christmas has to be referenced throughout the screenplay.
And on that point of rare unity on PB I must away to my bed chamber for a few hours of rest and calm before the shock and awe of TSE's morning thread overwhelms us all.
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1. The action has to take place at Christmas.
2. Christmas has to be used as a plot device.
3. Christmas has to be referenced throughout the screenplay.
And who gives a fuck about release date?
Schindler's List was released in 1993, but is clearly a World War 2 movie.
"Bash Boris Remainer Attack Team (BRAT)"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/22/boris-johnson-has-faults-one-can-deliver-brexit/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCMCrv8YGt8
She's met the IRA's former Chief of Staff.
That on a supposedly bad poll for Boris!
Lab 267
Con 248
LD. 66
SNP. 38
TBP. 9
Green. 1
PC. 3
NI. 18
FWIW. Doesn't look like an early election would be very appealing for BJ.
Reminds me of a novel I read last year in which a character is doing a doctorate on the increasing fascism of cake.
He won over voters who didn't vote Tory previously.
He'd then personally in charge of the Leave side in the re-referendum. If Leave wins the Labour side still have to deal with the entire shit sandwich and the Tories can get back in next time, with Brexit done and Labour's fault. If Remain wins Boris is established as the leader of the betrayed and defeated leaver tribe, who will be riled up to vote, but the voters won't be up for a *third* EU referendum, so he can win the next election and go back to actually governing.
#VapidBilge
Another 15 hustings like today could have very serious consequences for his leadership
Note even on that Yougov poll Welsh voters reject independence by a big 18% margin