I'm sure that @Philip_Thompson would be prepared to sacrifice his family in an IRA bombing as an acceptable price for not agreeing to the capitulation backstop.
So what you're saying is you're happy for anyone who can threaten a terrorist attack on British soil to have a say in our foreign policy.
I'm personally not convinced that Jihadi John, all of his mates, and every right wing nut job who can make a pipebomb should be dictating government policy. But ymmv.
You know that's not what I'm saying. The peace in Northern Ireland was nurtured under a cloud of respect and reconciliation, as well as an understanding of the EU acting as a bridge between British and Irish.
One cannot poke that bear without realising what consequences it may unleash.
There are lots of compelling reasons for us to have a comprehensive deal with the EU including a FTA which allows the border in NI to remain completely open. But this really isn't one of them. We cannot be blackmailed by a bunch of criminal psychopaths who might threaten to stir up trouble.
If people resort to terror because a political decision goes against them, then the onus is on the terrorists.
But it's not about that. You are deliberately simplifying the issue. There was an understanding on the island of Ireland that because the UK and Ireland were both part of the EU, then the status quo of an essentially non-existent border would continue in perpetuity. You are in danger of making people feel they were lied to as part of the Good Friday Agreement.
Brexit is not simply a "political decision". It's a huge cultural change that will have long standing consequences.
I'm sure that @Philip_Thompson would be prepared to sacrifice his family in an IRA bombing as an acceptable price for not agreeing to the capitulation backstop.
So what you're saying is you're happy for anyone who can threaten a terrorist attack on British soil to have a say in our foreign policy.
I'm personally not convinced that Jihadi John, all of his mates, and every right wing nut job who can make a pipebomb should be dictating government policy. But ymmv.
You know that's not what I'm saying. The peace in Northern Ireland was nurtured under a cloud of respect and reconciliation, as well as an understanding of the EU acting as a bridge between British and Irish.
One cannot poke that bear without realising what consequences it may unleash.
There are lots of compelling reasons for us to have a comprehensive deal with the EU including a FTA which allows the border in NI to remain completely open. But this really isn't one of them. We cannot be blackmailed by a bunch of criminal psychopaths who might threaten to stir up trouble.
If people resort to terror because a political decision goes against them, then the onus is on the terrorists.
Yep. And with modern technology they might find the game a whole lot rougher than it was back in the 70s.
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
That made me laugh on the previous thread. Gove said if he got the job he'd enjoy sharing his love of Wagner with Merkel!
But it got me thinking how unlucky we've been with leaders just when we need them most. Who would prefer any of the following to Angela Merkel: Johnson Corbyn Gove Raab Javid McDonnell and Stewart. Embarrassing isn't it?
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
@Philip_Thompson why is upholding the hard-won peace in Northern Ireland 'absurd'?
Upholding peace is not absurd. Doing so at any price is.
The backstop is that NI would be effectively annexed by the EU/Eire and that NI would be subject to EU/Eire laws without getting a say in them. If that had been the agreement proposed on Good Friday it would have (quite rightly) been rejected. As such I am prepared to reject it now. Let me be abundantly clear, it is preferable to me that the Troubles restart than the backstop is agreed, though I don't want or expect either.
"Let me be abundantly clear, it is preferable to me that the Troubles restart than the backstop is agreed" or to put in another way "I don't care if innocent people get murdered provided we leave the Single Market"
That video is full of discredited lies. Why are you still posting it? Have you no shame?
Is it FAKE NOOS?! (no it isn't they all tried to con everyone)
I am not sure if you are just gullible/ignorant or you are a rampant fascist. The good thing about your posts is that it shows the true colours of many people that support Brexit, and it is even more repulsive than many of us feared. Decent people need to put fascist tendencies revealed by Brexit firmly back in a box.
The backstop is fascist not me if you want to throw around pathetic insults.
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
That made me laugh on the previous thread. Gove said if he got the job he'd enjoy sharing his love of Wagner with Merkel!
But it got me thinking how unlucky we've been with leaders just when we need them most. Who would prefer any of the following to Angela Merkel: Johnson Corbyn Gove Raab Javid McDonnell and Stewart. Embarrassing isn't it?
IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
@Philip_Thompson why is upholding the hard-won peace in Northern Ireland 'absurd'?
Upholding peace is not absurd. Doing so at any price is.
The backstop is that NI would be effectively annexed by the EU/Eire and that NI would be subject to EU/Eire laws without getting a say in them. If that had been the agreement proposed on Good Friday it would have (quite rightly) been rejected. As such I am prepared to reject it now. Let me be abundantly clear, it is preferable to me that the Troubles restart than the backstop is agreed, though I don't want or expect either.
"Let me be abundantly clear, it is preferable to me that the Troubles restart than the backstop is agreed" or to put in another way "I don't care if innocent people get murdered provided we leave the Single Market"
That video is full of discredited lies. Why are you still posting it? Have you no shame?
Is it FAKE NOOS?! (no it isn't they all tried to con everyone)
I am not sure if you are just gullible/ignorant or you are a rampant fascist. The good thing about your posts is that it shows the true colours of many people that support Brexit, and it is even more repulsive than many of us feared. Decent people need to put fascist tendencies revealed by Brexit firmly back in a box.
The backstop is fascist not me if you want to throw around pathetic insults.
The F word should only be used when it is merited.
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
"Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received.
Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records."
Shocking! Time to go back to old postal vote rules
My postal vote was rejected at the GE in Richmond in 2017 when Sarah Olney lost to Zac Goldsmith by 45 votes. I had accidentally put my wife's year of birth (1944) instead of my own (1943).
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
Any experts on the Tory leadership electoral rules? I have a question about the 33 threshold.
What happens if the only MP to get more than 33 is Rory?
We go to hustings between Rory and Boris. Rory would no doubt come under some pressure to allow a coronation - but I suspect he will hold out for a vote of the members.
Boris Johnson once declared that “government by a Scot is just not conceivable in the current constitutional context”, with the Tory MP claiming Gordon Brown suffered from “a personal political disability” as he represented a constituency north of the Border.
Last time I checked, Penrith and the Borders was south of the border.
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
Looks the most realistic chance for a Tory recovery.
Just put a tiny sum on Rory to get 40-49 MPs at 11 (Ladbrokes, 12 with boost).
Edited extra bit: he's 1.66 (favourite) for the 30-39 band, incidentally.
He has 13 public supporters, so would need 20 of the 79 undeclared MPs to go through to the next round.
Declared numbers from before the first round should be treated with even more caution now. MPs might want to influence who goes through without publicly repudiating their previous support. Though pledges stood up pretty well in R1, better than I expected.
Do you think it might be a good time to list Boris's prejudices or is that one for nearer the election? So far it's Gays Scots Piccaninnies Liverpudlians Turks Texans Papua New Guinians .......
75% have declared compared to 79% just before the first ballot.
So Stewart needs a minimum of another 8 more than Javid and to get 33. Not looking good is it? I am a fan but his odds are silly.
Stewart had 7 declared and polled 19. Five more declared over the past 36 hours. Noteworthy that Gove, Raab, Javid and Hunt only three since the first ballot.
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
"Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received.
Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records."
Shocking! Time to go back to old postal vote rules
My postal vote was rejected at the GE in Richmond in 2017 when Sarah Olney lost to Zac Goldsmith by 45 votes. I had accidentally put my wife's year of birth (1944) instead of my own (1943).
My wife's was rejected at last election based on signature, strange.
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
This is more conspiracy theory nonsense. Sad to see people get swept up so easily in it.
I had no idea it was so high to be honest. Puts me off having a postal vote. So easy to make a mistake.
It mightn't be the voter's mistake that gets it rejected. If the info on the database is dodgy for some reason, your correct DOB is a reason to bin your vote.
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
My wife and I received confirmation of our voting rights in the ballot for leader this morning with details of dates to vote in early July and a separate leaflet with a full on attack on Corbyn and request for donations on the back
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
"Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received.
Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records."
Shocking! Time to go back to old postal vote rules
My postal vote was rejected at the GE in Richmond in 2017 when Sarah Olney lost to Zac Goldsmith by 45 votes. I had accidentally put my wife's year of birth (1944) instead of my own (1943).
My wife's was rejected at last election based on signature, strange.
Do you get notified if your postal vote is rejected. I've had a postal vote for years and never heard anything...
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
It’s hard to know what Stewart will get tomorrow .
Some MPs maybe reluctant to come out publicly for him, is it possible some might vote for him as they want someone in the Tuesday debate who will go for Bozo and the others will be wary of messing up their chances of a cabinet post .
One things for sure Hancock’s declaration for Johnson is being seen by many as ditching his principles and so obviously as arse licking move to get a cabinet job .
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
Do you think it might be a good time to list Boris's prejudices or is that one for nearer the election? So far it's Gays Scots Piccaninnies Liverpudlians Turks Texans Papua New Guinians .......
Do you think it might be a good time to list Boris's prejudices or is that one for nearer the election? So far it's Gays Scots Piccaninnies Liverpudlians Turks Texans Papua New Guinians .......
Boris is prejudiced against Turks? He is a Turk!
Well our Powellite friend is prejudiced against Europeans and gays despite being European and gay, so that's no barrier.
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
Yes, I just found a tweet of an empty podium, to follow on Morris_Dancer's joke about the Empty Chair become PM. Sorry everyone, I didn't mean to make you switch on the news frantically.
I am off the clock. I have a couple of hours before I have to catch my train. I have M&S Sapphire raspberries, melon and grapes and a cherry Pepsi Max. Life is good. Let's see what PB was discussing today..
Do you think it might be a good time to list Boris's prejudices or is that one for nearer the election? So far it's Gays Scots Piccaninnies Liverpudlians Turks Texans Papua New Guinians .......
I am off the clock. I have a couple of hours before I have to catch my train. I have M&S Sapphire raspberries, melon and grapes and a cherry Pepsi Max. Life is good. Let's see what PB was discussing today..
Do you think it might be a good time to list Boris's prejudices or is that one for nearer the election? So far it's Gays Scots Piccaninnies Liverpudlians Turks Texans Papua New Guinians .......
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
I am off the clock. I have a couple of hours before I have to catch my train. I have M&S Sapphire raspberries, melon and grapes and a cherry Pepsi Max. Life is good. Let's see what PB was discussing today..
Pause.
Oh, we are so, so fucked...
LOL. Those Sapphire raspberries are amazing.
David, you should be doing a Diane Abbott and having a mojito
I am off the clock. I have a couple of hours before I have to catch my train. I have M&S Sapphire raspberries, melon and grapes and a cherry Pepsi Max. Life is good. Let's see what PB was discussing today..
Pause.
Oh, we are so, so fucked...
LOL. Those Sapphire raspberries are amazing.
I like them too. They are genuinely nice plus they are low-carb, so yay!
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
Yes, I just found a tweet of an empty podium, to follow on Morris_Dancer's joke about the Empty Chair become PM. Sorry everyone, I didn't mean to make you switch on the news frantically.
LOL now listening to someone explain why they were thrown off Love Island as seeing your post I instantly tuned into R5.
I am off the clock. I have a couple of hours before I have to catch my train. I have M&S Sapphire raspberries, melon and grapes and a cherry Pepsi Max. Life is good. Let's see what PB was discussing today..
Pause.
Oh, we are so, so fucked...
LOL. Those Sapphire raspberries are amazing.
David, you should be doing a Diane Abbott and having a mojito
I'll have you know I am working seriously hard here Malcolm. Reading PB, watching the cricket, its just frantic.
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
"Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received.
Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records."
Shocking! Time to go back to old postal vote rules
My postal vote was rejected at the GE in Richmond in 2017 when Sarah Olney lost to Zac Goldsmith by 45 votes. I had accidentally put my wife's year of birth (1944) instead of my own (1943).
My wife's was rejected at last election based on signature, strange.
Do you get notified if your postal vote is rejected. I've had a postal vote for years and never heard anything...
Yes they wrote and said it was rejected due to signature not matching and told she would need to reapply.
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
"Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received.
Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records."
Shocking! Time to go back to old postal vote rules
My postal vote was rejected at the GE in Richmond in 2017 when Sarah Olney lost to Zac Goldsmith by 45 votes. I had accidentally put my wife's year of birth (1944) instead of my own (1943).
My wife's was rejected at last election based on signature, strange.
Do you get notified if your postal vote is rejected. I've had a postal vote for years and never heard anything...
Yes they wrote and said it was rejected due to signature not matching and told she would need to reapply.
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
It’s hard to know what Stewart will get tomorrow .
Some MPs maybe reluctant to come out publicly for him, is it possible some might vote for him as they want someone in the Tuesday debate who will go for Bozo and the others will be wary of messing up their chances of a cabinet post .
One things for sure Hancock’s declaration for Johnson is being seen by many as ditching his principles and so obviously as arse licking move to get a cabinet job .
My hunch is he'll be just around 33 votes, as will Raab. Javid will be slightly less.
Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
The better the press Stewart gets the more MPs will back him. Their eyes are on the GE and want someone who has a chance of winning it. That would be Stewart.
Of course the membership has no such long term vision.
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Perhaps the sign that barriers are breaking down will come when we have a PM with a genuine and longstanding love of pigeon racing.
Not holding my breath.
Brexit is not simply a "political decision". It's a huge cultural change that will have long standing consequences.
But it got me thinking how unlucky we've been with leaders just when we need them most. Who would prefer any of the following to Angela Merkel: Johnson Corbyn Gove Raab Javid McDonnell and Stewart. Embarrassing isn't it?
Well, I've been to Silves, which some believe to be the site of Atlantis.
Anyway, time to get wet...
Scraping through once more is not a bandwagon.
"Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received.
Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records."
Also the genetic engineering project at the University of Cair Paravel investigating the possibility of the Talking Horses growing horns?
Johnson 98
Hunt 42
Gove 36
Raab 25
Javid 20
Stewart 13
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0
75% have declared compared to 79% just before the first ballot.
EDIT: just saw this retweeted but it's actually from a few days ago. It looks a bit awkward now.
https://twitter.com/PM4EastRen/status/1139543079172694016
https://twitter.com/dennynews/status/1140621909631131648?s=21
What happens if the only MP to get more than 33 is Rory?
no?
I know
right?
Edited extra bit: he's 1.66 (favourite) for the 30-39 band, incidentally.
Last 3 generals % postage rejected: 2017 2.4%, 2015 3.3%, 2010 3.8%
Seriously though, it'd go to the final with Boris vs Rory.
Boris Johnson once declared that “government by a Scot is just not conceivable in the current constitutional context”, with the Tory MP claiming Gordon Brown suffered from “a personal political disability” as he represented a constituency north of the Border.
Last time I checked, Penrith and the Borders was south of the border.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
I doubt many of his supporters will be following him into the Bozo camp.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1140563125550362625
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/81678/Postal-vote-verification-and-rejection-in-Great-Britain.pdf
Over 4% is not unusual at all.
This is more conspiracy theory nonsense. Sad to see people get swept up so easily in it.
Some MPs maybe reluctant to come out publicly for him, is it possible some might vote for him as they want someone in the Tuesday debate who will go for Bozo and the others will be wary of messing up their chances of a cabinet post .
One things for sure Hancock’s declaration for Johnson is being seen by many as ditching his principles and so obviously as arse licking move to get a cabinet job .
Sorry everyone, I didn't mean to make you switch on the news frantically.
Pause.
Oh, we are so, so fucked...
(Not me, obviously, chaps!)
Edit: sounds like it was for use of the C word.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/ireland-to-unveil-bold-plan-to-tackle-climate-emergency
Of course the membership has no such long term vision.