Interesting that the first debate is before the second ballot of MPs. I wonder how much that will affect things?
In the debate, Hunt should simply stand up and tell MPs to consider which of Boris and Hunt was the best Foreign Secretary. Then we can clean up on William Hague write-ins.
What happens if Boris is the only person to get 33 votes in Round 2? Would he be declared winner or would top 2 still go to members?
It's not actually that far off from happening - would only need Hunt and Gove to lose a few votes.
If threshold in Round 2 had been 15% and not 10% then it easily could have happened!
It is not inconceivable that all the other candidates could withdraw, as happened in 2016. It would still be in Johnson's interest in terms of strengthening his authority to ask the 1922 to declare him leader such that he was able to take over as PM and start proper preparations for leaving on 31st October but to request that they also instigate a confirmatory ballot of members.
When she hit the rocks after 2017, May's authority was weakened by the absence of a members' ballot.
Interesting that the first debate is before the second ballot of MPs. I wonder how much that will affect things?
Honestly I can see it only shifting a few. They know what each candidate stands for, and what they think about them, and MPs are not renowned as easily swayable, in fact they are incredibly stubborn. Unless an immediate poll of Tory members showed, say, Raab surging at Boris' expense, I wouldn't think many would be persuaded. And Boris is probably good at dodging substance while being an entertaining debater, so should be fine if he takes part.
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
In all the talk of a 2019 election the notion than TBP bubble will somehow be quickly burst is wide of the mark. If the Faragists really trusted Boris why did UKIP field a candidate against him in Uxbridge in 2017? Boris no doubt will recapture some of the lost vote but not all by any means. Another hung parliament may well follow.
In all the talk of a 2019 election the notion than TBP bubble will somehow be quickly burst is wide of the mark. If the Faragists really trusted Boris why did UKIP field a candidate against him in Uxbridge in 2017? Boris no doubt will recapture some of the lost vote but not all by any means. Another hung parliament may well follow.
Faragists weren't in control of UKIP at the time....
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
Also comes as news to me that Tea is a British product. Must be some plantations in a corner of Kent I haven't visited.
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
Also comes as news to me that Tea is a British product. Must be some plantations in a corner of Kent I haven't visited.
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
Also comes as news to me that Tea is a British product. Must be some plantations in a corner of Kent I haven't visited.
From Yorkshire, she said. Must be a big polytunnel somewhere.
It would appear that Tories are no longer in favour of free trade and consumer choice.
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
Also comes as news to me that Tea is a British product. Must be some plantations in a corner of Kent I haven't visited.
The clue is in the name - Tregothnan tea is grown in Cornwall.
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
Also comes as news to me that Tea is a British product. Must be some plantations in a corner of Kent I haven't visited.
The clue is in the name - Tregothnan tea is grown in Cornwall.
In all the talk of a 2019 election the notion than TBP bubble will somehow be quickly burst is wide of the mark. If the Faragists really trusted Boris why did UKIP field a candidate against him in Uxbridge in 2017? Boris no doubt will recapture some of the lost vote but not all by any means. Another hung parliament may well follow.
Is Boris delaying Brexit to hold this election that PB’ers are so keenly pencilling in for the autumn?
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
Also comes as news to me that Tea is a British product. Must be some plantations in a corner of Kent I haven't visited.
We think Tea and Curry are British.
The Indians think Cricket and Railways are theirs.
But if May cared a bit more about the cruel elements of her Governments policy her complaints would perhaps be taken more seriously.
Ah, Tories are evil so Brand can say what she wants? OK.
Wasn't it aimed at Farage?
It doesn't matter who the acid, or the acid remark, was aimed at. Remarks like that, even by a 'comedian' are, especially in the current situation, DAMN' SILLY.
Interesting that the first debate is before the second ballot of MPs. I wonder how much that will affect things?
Honestly I can see it only shifting a few. They know what each candidate stands for, and what they think about them, and MPs are not renowned as easily swayable, in fact they are incredibly stubborn. Unless an immediate poll of Tory members showed, say, Raab surging at Boris' expense, I wouldn't think many would be persuaded. And Boris is probably good at dodging substance while being an entertaining debater, so should be fine if he takes part.
Has Boris confirmed his attendance? Dodging substance was May's specialty. Now is the time for discussing the substance, rather than entertainment.
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
His election as leader will neutralise many of the attacks that could be made against Corbyn and his move towards Brexit and even the contemplation of shutting down Parliament will alienate many of those who voted for him in the past.
If the Tories choose him it simply shows that they are no longer a serious party, that old-fashioned, sensible Conservatism is dead and that they put the interests of their own party above those of the country.
The Tories are not thinking straight. Choosing Boris is simply them indulging in a group hug. (A much more vulgar term would be more accurate but it is still early and this is a respectable site.)
As Eddie Mair memorably, and rightly, said he's a nasty piece of work.
Yes: nasty and incompetent. For all the superficial bonhomie and jolly japes persona, he is a bit like Corbyn in that respect. Corbyn seems polite and would no doubt be nice to chat to about gardening and such like. But there is an unpleasant side to him too eg not bothering to speak to Luciana Berger.
What a dreadful choice. I will not vote for either.
I am resigning myself to the fact that Britain is embarking on a serious of foolish choices which will do great harm to us. I only hope that the hole is not too deep before we start digging ourselves out of it.
Agree. I'm a lifelong (every GE since 1983) Labour voter, firmly in the Lib-Dem camp now.
I too am in the Lib Dem camp though in London it makes no difference as my constituency is now a safe Labour seat. But in Cumbria - in the constituency next to Rory’s - it’s a marginal. So my vote counts there. And nice as Trudi Harrison is I’m not going to reward the Tories for what they are doing.
Were Rory to become leader I’d look at them again. But I’m not holding my breath. He is wonderfully old-fashioned, and I mean that as a compliment.
The Tories are doing what the financial sector did for many years: choosing the risky, the flashy, the superficial with little regard for morality or decency or trustworthiness or old-fashioned concepts such as leadership and integrity. They will end up in big trouble and, eventually, will realise that such things do matter, are indeed more important than the golden calf they have worshipped. But we will have to endure the mess first, I fear.
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
Also comes as news to me that Tea is a British product. Must be some plantations in a corner of Kent I haven't visited.
The clue is in the name - Tregothnan tea is grown in Cornwall.
Ah. Nettle - delicious. And Twinings is grown where?
Hard to know what might happen with Stewart’s vote share in the next ballot .
He’s the only candidate ruling out no deal. He’s had a lot of coverage and his message to more moderate MPs should be you need to send a clear message about no deal and being against suspending Parliament .
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
Also comes as news to me that Tea is a British product. Must be some plantations in a corner of Kent I haven't visited.
The clue is in the name - Tregothnan tea is grown in Cornwall.
Does English imperialism know no bounds?
Mebyon Kernow's time will come, but at the moment it's technically British. Probably the most British part of Britain, actually.
Interesting that the first debate is before the second ballot of MPs. I wonder how much that will affect things?
Honestly I can see it only shifting a few. They know what each candidate stands for, and what they think about them, and MPs are not renowned as easily swayable, in fact they are incredibly stubborn. Unless an immediate poll of Tory members showed, say, Raab surging at Boris' expense, I wouldn't think many would be persuaded. And Boris is probably good at dodging substance while being an entertaining debater, so should be fine if he takes part.
Has Boris confirmed his attendance? Dodging substance was May's specialty. Now is the time for discussing the substance, rather than entertainment.
He's a shoo-in, he;s already been allowed to get away with plenty by the members they hate in others (voting for the WA for a start), he'd be fine. But I imagine he will eventually go and play it safe.
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
His election as leader will neutralise many of the attacks that could be made against Corbyn and his move towards Brexit and even the contemplation of shutting down Parliament will alienate many of those who voted for him in the past.
If the Tories choose him it simply shows that they are no longer a serious party, that old-fashioned, sensible Conservatism is dead and that they put the interests of their own party above those of the country.
The Tories are not thinking straight. Choosing Boris is simply them indulging in a group hug. (A much more vulgar term would be more accurate but it is still early and this is a respectable site.)
As Eddie Mair memorably, and rightly, said he's a nasty piece of work.
Yes: nasty and incompetent. For all the superficial bonhomie and jolly japes persona, he is a bit like Corbyn in that respect. Corbyn seems polite and would no doubt be nice to chat to about gardening and such like. But there is an unpleasant side to him too eg not bothering to spearselves out of it.
Agree. I'm a lifelong (every GE since 1983) Labour voter, firmly in the Lib-Dem camp now.
I too am in the Lib Dem camp though in London it makes no difference as my constituency is now a safe Labour seat. But in Cumbria - in the constituency next to Rory’s - it’s a marginal. So my vote counts there. And nice as Trudi Harrison is I’m not going to reward the Tories for what they are doing.
Were Rory to become leader I’d look at them again. But I’m not holding my breath. He is wonderfully old-fashioned, and I mean that as a compliment.
The Tories are doing what the financial sector did for many years: choosing the risky, the flashy, the superficial with little regard for morality or decency or trustworthiness or old-fashioned concepts such as leadership and integrity. They will end up in big trouble and, eventually, will realise that such things do matter, are indeed more important than the golden calf they have worshipped. But we will have to endure the mess first, I fear.
9 times out of ten it is the more charismatic candidate who wins, Churchill and Wilson and Blair and Cameron were all regarded as flashy and untrustworthy by many just as Boris is.
Otherwise it is often someone tough and determined who changes the political weather and a more ideological leader eg Attlee or Thatcher, in which case look at Raab or indeed Corbyn
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
Also comes as news to me that Tea is a British product. Must be some plantations in a corner of Kent I haven't visited.
The clue is in the name - Tregothnan tea is grown in Cornwall.
Ah. Nettle - delicious. And Twinings is grown where?
Tregothnan are growing real, proper, honest-to-God tea (as am I, in Devon).
In all the talk of a 2019 election the notion than TBP bubble will somehow be quickly burst is wide of the mark. If the Faragists really trusted Boris why did UKIP field a candidate against him in Uxbridge in 2017? Boris no doubt will recapture some of the lost vote but not all by any means. Another hung parliament may well follow.
YouGov has the Brexit party still winning 13% v a Boris led Tories ie UKIP 2015 levels but Boris like Cameron still winning a small overall Tory majority.
But if May cared a bit more about the cruel elements of her Governments policy her complaints would perhaps be taken more seriously.
Ah, Tories are evil so Brand can say what she wants? OK.
Wasn't it aimed at Farage?
It doesn't matter who the acid, or the acid remark, was aimed at. Remarks like that, even by a 'comedian' are, especially in the current situation, DAMN' SILLY.
It was also not funny. Anvils are funny: you can drop anvils on somebody and it's funny. Or frying-pans: as Vic and Bob demonstrated, accompanied by a "boiiing!" sound. You can take refuge in ad-absurdum: so "skinned and thrown to the pirhanas" But not acid. Too close to the bone.
- Snap election in September. - Big majority for Boris. - Second referendum in 2020.
Why would they bother with #3?
To get off the hook for delivering Brexit.
Your dreaming if you think that will happen. If Boris wins a massive majority on the basis on getting Brexit through, they aren't going to go for a second referendum.
The most accurate way to predict the future is to start from the assumption that Brexit won't happen, and then work backwards from there to fit the current circumstances.
Boris winning a big majority ain't going to happen. The Tories under Boris absolute best case is scraping a majority with the combination of those who want Brexit and the never Corbyn's, with just the correct amount of Labour voters splitting to Lib Dems because of Jezza's fence sitting.
The only published poll so far gave the Conservatives a majority of 140 under Johnson. Now there are a number of reasons why you may be sceptical that that is the most probable outcome, and I think most of us here would view that as tending towards an extreme of a wide variety of possible outcomes. However, in the face of such evidence you are just closing your eyes to the facts if you claim that the "absolute best case" is the Conservatives scraping a majority under Johnson.
The assumptions beneath that projection are obvious nonsense. The LibDems aren’t going to near treble their national vote by merrily adding the same percentage in every seat. On those percentages the LibDems will be sweeping Tories away through much of the Home Counties and South West.
While the Tories sweep Labour away in much of the North and Midlands
Labour falling back by a higher percentage in the remainer South East would mean that - for the same national vote share - its vote will hold up better elsewhere. We are wasting our time trying to put current opinion polls through a UNS seat calculator.
No as you can also see the regional swings and in the Midlands for example a Boris led Tory Party would be comfortably ahead on the polling
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
Also comes as news to me that Tea is a British product. Must be some plantations in a corner of Kent I haven't visited.
We think Tea and Curry are British.
The Indians think Cricket and Railways are theirs.
This "British" tea takes a few insipid tea leaves that they have somehow coaxed into life in Cornwall and mixes them with a load of proper tea leaves from India (in fairness to them they don't pretend otherwise, I got this information from their website) . So it about as authentically British as Yorkshire Tea. But it is the perfect Brexiteers' product - sold on a lie to gullible nationalists. Drink up!
Not sure this has been commented on but Rory is a very smart cookie.
He’s doing a positive Trump on Boris: look at the language in his tweets and how he’s leveraging outrage via social media.
Maybe he’s going for PM in a future (even more) hung Parliament at head of some cross party coalition?
From the Spectator blog - “
“But Stewart has shown a magnificently intuitive grasp of how to use social media and the old-fashioned stump – and makes all his rivals, including Johnson, look painfully constipated. He sees himself unashamedly as a stylistically Trumpish grandstander for the centre-ground of politics.”
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
His election as leader will neutralise many of the attacks that could be made against Corbyn and his move towards Brexit and even the contemplation of shutting down Parliament will alienate many of those who voted for him in the past.
If the Tories choose him it simply shows that they are no longer a serious party, that old-fashioned, sensible Conservatism is dead and that they put the interests of their own party above those of the country.
The Tories are not thinking straight. Choosing Boris is simply them indulging in a group hug. (A much more vulgar term would be more accurate but it is still early and this is a respectable site.)
As Eddie Mair memorably, and rightly, said he's a nasty piece of work.
Yes: nasty and incompetent. For all the superficial bonhomie and jolly japes persona, he is a bit like Corbyn in that respect. Corbyn seems polite and would no doubt be nice to chat to about gardening and such like. But there is an unpleasant side to him too eg not bothering to speak to Luciana Berger.
What a dreadful choice. I will not vote for either.
I am resigning myself to the fact that Britain is embarking on a serious of foolish choices which will do great harm to us. I only hope that the hole is not too deep before we start digging ourselves out of it.
Agree. I'm a lifelong (every GE since 1983) Labour voter, firmly in the Lib-Dem camp now.
I too am in the Lib Dem camp though in London it makes no difference as my constituency is now a safe Labour seat. But in Cumbria - in the constituency next to Rory’s - it’s a marginal. So my vote counts there. And nice as Trudi Harrison is I’m not going to reward the Tories for what they are doing.
Were Rory to become leader I’d look at them again. But I’m not holding my breath. He is wonderfully old-fashioned, and I mean that as a compliment.
The Tories are doing what the financial sector did for many years: choosing the risky, the flashy, the superficial with little regard for morality or decency or trustworthiness or old-fashioned concepts such as leadership and integrity. They will end up in big trouble and, eventually, will realise that such things do matter, are indeed more important than the golden calf they have worshipped. But we will have to endure the mess first, I fear.
Didn’t the LDs just win across Camden in the Euros, save for three wards in the south?
But if May cared a bit more about the cruel elements of her Governments policy her complaints would perhaps be taken more seriously.
Ah, Tories are evil so Brand can say what she wants? OK.
Wasn't it aimed at Farage?
It doesn't matter who the acid, or the acid remark, was aimed at. Remarks like that, even by a 'comedian' are, especially in the current situation, DAMN' SILLY.
It was also not funny. Anvils are funny: you can drop anvils on somebody and it's funny. Or frying-pans: as Vic and Bob demonstrated, accompanied by a "boiiing!" sound. You can take refuge in ad-absurdum: so "skinned and thrown to the pirhanas" But not acid. Too close to the bone.
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
As Eddie Mair memorably, and rightly, said he's a nasty piece of work.
Yes: nasty and incompetent. For all the superficial bonhomie and jolly japes persona, he is a bit like Corbyn in that respect. Corbyn seems polite and would no doubt be nice to chat to about gardening and such like. But there is an unpleasant side to him too eg not bothering to spearselves out of it.
Agree. I'm a lifelong (every GE since 1983) Labour voter, firmly in the Lib-Dem camp now.
I too am in the Lib Dem camp though in London it makes no difference as my constituency is now a safe Labour seat. But in Cumbria - in the constituency next to Rory’s - it’s a marginal. So my vote counts there. And nice as Trudi Harrison is I’m not going to reward the Tories for what they are doing.
Were Rory to become leader I’d look at them again. But I’m not holding my breath. He is wonderfully old-fashioned, and I mean that as a compliment.
The Tories are doing what the financial sector did for many years: choosing the risky, the flashy, the superficial with little regard for morality or decency or trustworthiness or old-fashioned concepts such as leadership and integrity. They will end up in big trouble and, eventually, will realise that such things do matter, are indeed more important than the golden calf they have worshipped. But we will have to endure the mess first, I fear.
9 times out of ten it is the more charismatic candidate who wins, Churchill and Wilson and Blair and Cameron were all regarded as flashy and untrustworthy by many just as Boris is.
Otherwise it is often someone tough and determined who changes the political weather and a more ideological leader eg Attlee or Thatcher, in which case look at Raab or indeed Corbyn
As too often, you miss the point. If Conservatives don’t stand for such old-fashioned concepts, there is no point to them.
Conservatism is largely dying now, replaced by revolutionary populists more in love with simplistic ideologies than with common-sense pragmatism and concern for their fellow men.
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
As Eddie Mair memorably, and rightly, said he's a nasty piece of work.
Yes: nasty and incompetent. For all the superficial bonhomie and jolly japes persona, he is a bit like Corbyn in that respect. Corbyn seems polite and would no doubt be nice to chat to about gardening and such like. But there is an unpleasant side to him too eg not bothering to speak to Luciana Berger.
What a dreadful choice. I will not vote for either.
I am resigning myself to the fact that Britain is embarking on a serious of foolish choices which will do great harm to us. I only hope that the hole is not too deep before we start digging ourselves out of it.
Agree. I'm a lifelong (every GE since 1983) Labour voter, firmly in the Lib-Dem camp now.
I too am in the Lib Dem camp though in London it makes no difference as my constituency is now a safe Labour seat. But in Cumbria - in the constituency next to Rory’s - it’s a marginal. So my vote counts there. And nice as Trudi Harrison is I’m not going to reward the Tories for what they are doing.
Were Rory to become leader I’d look at them again. But I’m not holding my breath. He is wonderfully old-fashioned, and I mean that as a compliment.
The Tories are doing what the financial sector did for many years: choosing the risky, the flashy, the superficial with little regard for morality or decency or trustworthiness or old-fashioned concepts such as leadership and integrity. They will end up in big trouble and, eventually, will realise that such things do matter, are indeed more important than the golden calf they have worshipped. But we will have to endure the mess first, I fear.
Didn’t the LDs just win across Camden in the Euros, save for three wards in the south?
They did. But I wouldn’t be confident of that translating across to a GE. They have lost a lot of their local councillors and Tulip Siddiq has a majority of ca. 10,000.
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
As Eddie Mair memorably, and rightly, said he's a nasty piece of work.
Yes: nasty and incompetent. For all the superficial bonhomie and jolly japes persona, he is a bit like Corbyn in that respect. Corbyn seems polite and would no doubt be nice to chat to about gardening and such like. But there is an unpleasant side to him too eg not bothering to speak to Luciana Berger.
What a dreadful choice. I will not vote for either.
I am resigning myself to the fact that Britain is embarking on a serious of foolish choices which will do great harm to us. I only hope that the hole is not too deep before we start digging ourselves out of it.
Agree. I'm a lifelong (every GE since 1983) Labour voter, firmly in the Lib-Dem camp now.
I too am in the Lib Dem camp though in London it makes no difference as my constituency is now a safe Labour seat. But in Cumbria - in the constituency next to Rory’s - it’s a marginal. So my vote counts there. And nice as Trudi Harrison is I’m not going to reward the Tories for what they are doing.
Were Rory to become leader I’d look at them again. But I’m not holding my breath. He is wonderfully old-fashioned, and I mean that as a compliment.
The Tories are doing what the financial sector did for many years: choosing the risky, the flashy, the superficial with little regard for morality or decency or trustworthiness or old-fashioned concepts such as leadership and integrity. They will end up in big trouble and, eventually, will realise that such things do matter, are indeed more important than the golden calf they have worshipped. But we will have to endure the mess first, I fear.
Didn’t the LDs just win across Camden in the Euros, save for three wards in the south?
They did. But I wouldn’t be confident of that translating across to a GE. They have lost a lot of their local councillors and Tulip Siddiq has a majority of ca. 10,000.
So you’re going to vote for Corbyn’s lot in Copeland? Who’d have thought.
I expect Hammond will resign as soon as the next leader is officially in place .
I doubt he wants to give Bozo the opportunity to sack him and even if they weren’t on such bad terms any job after Chancellor would be a demotion .
Most of the current Remainers are likely to go barring the born again Leavers . I expect Bozo to put in place some new fig leaf Remainers , he’ll need some cover for his One Nation charade .
I think the problem for who goes up against him in the final two is how nasty might that campaign become so it’s possible the runner up isn’t offered a job .
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
Also comes as news to me that Tea is a British product. Must be some plantations in a corner of Kent I haven't visited.
We think Tea and Curry are British.
The Indians think Cricket and Railways are theirs.
We have a special relationship.
I think not somehow.
Cameron wanted to make it the special relationship of the 21st Century.
I think Rory will overtake Hancock and Javid in the next round. But he won't be able to catch Raab because the latter will pick up most of McVey's and Leadsom's votes.
Not sure this has been commented on but Rory is a very smart cookie.
He’s doing a positive Trump on Boris: look at the language in his tweets and how he’s leveraging outrage via social media.
Maybe he’s going for PM in a future (even more) hung Parliament at head of some cross party coalition?
From the Spectator blog - “
“But Stewart has shown a magnificently intuitive grasp of how to use social media and the old-fashioned stump – and makes all his rivals, including Johnson, look painfully constipated. He sees himself unashamedly as a stylistically Trumpish grandstander for the centre-ground of politics.”
What happens if Boris is the only person to get 33 votes in Round 2? Would he be declared winner or would top 2 still go to members?
It's not actually that far off from happening - would only need Hunt and Gove to lose a few votes.
If threshold in Round 2 had been 15% and not 10% then it easily could have happened!
If that really happened, Boris would just be coronated
CROWNED DAMMIT
Push!
I can see the baby's head!
You come near me again and I'm cutting your balls off!
Just a little more, just a little more! Puuuuush!
YOU'RE NOT DOING THE PUSHING DAMMIT!
AAAAAAGH!
waaaah!
I’m getting flashbacks.
Mrs J had a near 24-hour labour with our little-un (apparently, one of the consequences of being a runner means that her pelvic floor was a little too strong). During the worst of that time, 'Independence Day' was on the TV in the room.
Even a still image from that film makes her go white. She liked it before, now she just cannot watch it.
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
As Eddie Mair memorably, and rightly, said he's a nasty piece of work.
Yes: nasty and incompetent. For all the superficial bonhomie and jolly japes persona, he is a bit like Corbyn in that respect. Corbyn seems polite and would no doubt be nice to chat to about gardening and such like. But there is an unpleasant side to him too eg not bothering to speak to Luciana Berger.
What a dreadful choice. I will not vote for either.
I am resigning myself to the fact that Britain is embarking on a serious of foolish choices which will do great harm to us. I only hope that the hole is not too deep before we start digging ourselves out of it.
Agree. I'm a lifelong (every GE since 1983) Labour voter, firmly in the Lib-Dem camp now.
I too am in the Lib Dem camp though in London it makes no difference as my constituency is now a safe Labour seat. But in Cumbria - in the constituency next to Rory’s - it’s a marginal. So my vote counts there. And nice as Trudi Harrison is I’m not going to reward the Tories for what they are doing.
Were Rory to become leader I’d look at them again. But I’m not holding my breath. He is wonderfully old-fashioned, and I mean that as a compliment.
The Tories are doing what the financial sector did for many years: choosing the risky, the flashy, the superficial with little regard for morality or decency or trustworthiness or old-fashioned concepts such as leadership and integrity. They will end up in big trouble and, eventually, will realise that such things do matter, are indeed more important than the golden calf they have worshipped. But we will have to endure the mess first, I fear.
Didn’t the LDs just win across Camden in the Euros, save for three wards in the south?
They did. But I wouldn’t be confident of that translating across to a GE. They have lost a lot of their local councillors and Tulip Siddiq has a majority of ca. 10,000.
So you’re going to vote for Corbyn’s lot in Copeland? Who’d have thought.
Absolutely not. I will vote Lib Dem or Green.
NFW will I ever vote Labour while Corbyn/McDonnell are in charge.
He's right - a tax cut for those on £70,000 is not what is needed right now, especially as the deficit STILL hasn't been eliminated entirely.
I'm contemplating a job paying over £100,000 but need to throw a lot into my pension. So £70,000 at standard rate tax with everything else in the pension sounds perfect for me,,
I don't think people promoting British products automatically rises to the level of Trumpian nationalism. I assume there's a reason the supermarket feels it necessary to tell me that milk or beef is British or Irish, in that people apparently care about it. Certainly politicians.
Also comes as news to me that Tea is a British product. Must be some plantations in a corner of Kent I haven't visited.
We think Tea and Curry are British.
The Indians think Cricket and Railways are theirs.
We have a special relationship.
I think not somehow.
Cameron wanted to make it the special relationship of the 21st Century.
Any ‘special’ relationship between Britain and the rest of the world has to be predicated on Britain’s place in Europe. Otherwise it just shows a cringeworthy neediness.
But if May cared a bit more about the cruel elements of her Governments policy her complaints would perhaps be taken more seriously.
Ah, Tories are evil so Brand can say what she wants? OK.
Wasn't it aimed at Farage?
It doesn't matter who the acid, or the acid remark, was aimed at. Remarks like that, even by a 'comedian' are, especially in the current situation, DAMN' SILLY.
It was also not funny. Anvils are funny: you can drop anvils on somebody and it's funny. Or frying-pans: as Vic and Bob demonstrated, accompanied by a "boiiing!" sound. You can take refuge in ad-absurdum: so "skinned and thrown to the pirhanas" But not acid. Too close to the bone.
Quite right.
I think he was being ironic.
Torturing people particularly slowly to death is also a fun, wholesome and kid-friendly subject (see under London Dungeon).
In all the talk of a 2019 election the notion than TBP bubble will somehow be quickly burst is wide of the mark. If the Faragists really trusted Boris why did UKIP field a candidate against him in Uxbridge in 2017? Boris no doubt will recapture some of the lost vote but not all by any means. Another hung parliament may well follow.
YouGov has the Brexit party still winning 13% v a Boris led Tories ie UKIP 2015 levels but Boris like Cameron still winning a small overall Tory majority.
And that's before campaigning begins. I really, really don't see Boris winning a majority.
Equally I don't see the time to have an election and still leave on October 31st unless Boris goes for an election in late July, early August at the very latest...
And if Boris has to change the October 31st date the Tories are toast.
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
As Eddie Mair memorably, and rightly, said he's a nasty piece of work.
Yes: nasty and incompetent. For all the superficial bonhomie and jolly japes persona, he is a bit like Corbyn in that respect. Corbyn seems polite and would no doubt be nice to chat to about gardening and such like. But there is an unpleasant side to him too eg not bothering to spearselves out of it.
Agree. I'm a lifelong (every GE since 1983) Labour voter, firmly in the Lib-Dem camp now.
I too am in the Lib Dem camp though in London it makes no difference as my constituency is now a safe Labour seat. But in Cumbria - in the constituency next to Rory’s - it’s a marginal. So my vote counts there. And nice as Trudi Harrison is I’m not going to reward the Tories for what they are doing.
Were Rory to become leader I’d look at them again. But I’m not holding my breath. He is wonderfully old-fashioned, and I mean that as a compliment.
The Tories are doing what the financial sector did for many years: choosing the risky, the flashy, the superficial with little regard for morahan the golden calf they have worshipped. But we will have to endure the mess first, I fear.
9 times out of ten it is the more charismatic candidate who wins, Churchill and Wilson and Blair and Cameron were all regarded as flashy and untrustworthy by many just as Bo Corbyn
As too often, you miss the point. If Conservatives don’t stand for such old-fashioned concepts, there is no point to them.
Conservatism is largely dying now, replaced by revolutionary populists more in love with simplistic ideologies than with common-sense pragmatism and concern for their fellow men.
Please brush up on your history, in 1832 Wellington opposed the Great Reform Act, in the 1840s the Tory Party supported the Corn Laws forcing the Peelites to split up and join the Whigs to form the Liberals, in the 1930s most Tories supported appeasement until 1940 and Churchill's return. From 1945 -1975 the Tory Party basically supported corporatism until Thatcher came along.
Indeed some of the Tories best leaders eg Disraeli, Churchill and Thatcher have pushed populism to some degree, often against the prevailing mood of the party at the time
I think Rory will overtake Hancock and Javid in the next round. But he won't be able to catch Raab because the latter will pick up most of McVey's and Leadsom's votes.
Indeed, it could be 1 Boris, 2 Raab, 3 Hunt, 4 Gove and everyone else eliminated by this time next Tuesday
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
As Eddie Mair memorably, and rightly, said he's a nasty piece of work.
Yes: nasty and incompetent. For all the superficial bonhomie and jolly japes persona, he is a bit like Corbyn in that respect. Corbyn seems polite and would no doubt be nice to chat to about gardening and such like. But there is an unpleasant side to him too eg not bothering to spearselves out of it.
Agree. I'm a lifelong (every GE since 1983) Labour voter, firmly in the Lib-Dem camp now.
I too am in the Lib Dem camp though in London it makes no difference as my constituency is now a safe Labour seat. But in Cumbria - in the constituency next to Rory’s - it’s a marginal. So my vote counts there. And nice as Trudi Harrison is I’m not going to reward the Tories for what they are doing.
Were Rory to become leader I’d look at them again. But I’m not holding my breath. He is wonderfully old-fashioned, and I mean that as a compliment.
The Tories are doing what the financial sector did for many years: choosing the risky, the flashy, the superficial with little regard for morahan the golden calf they have worshipped. But we will have to endure the mess first, I fear.
9 times out of ten it is the more charismatic candidate who wins, Churchill and Wilson and Blair and Cameron were all regarded as flashy and untrustworthy by many just as Bo Corbyn
As too often, you miss the point. If Conservatives don’t stand for such old-fashioned concepts, there is no point to them.
Conservatism is largely dying now, replaced by revolutionary populists more in love with simplistic ideologies than with common-sense pragmatism and concern for their fellow men.
Please brush up on your history, in 1832 Wellington opposed the Great Reform Act, in the 1840s the Tory Party supported the Corn Laws forcing the Peelites to split up and join the Whigs to form the Liberals, in the 1930s most Tories supported appeasement until 1940 and Churchill's return. From 1945 -1975 the Tory Party basically supported corporatism until Thatcher came along.
Indeed some of the Tories best leaders eg Disraeli, Churchill and Thatcher have pushed populism to some degree, often against the prevailing mood of the party at the time
'To some degree' seems to be key point in that sentence.
In all the talk of a 2019 election the notion than TBP bubble will somehow be quickly burst is wide of the mark. If the Faragists really trusted Boris why did UKIP field a candidate against him in Uxbridge in 2017? Boris no doubt will recapture some of the lost vote but not all by any means. Another hung parliament may well follow.
YouGov has the Brexit party still winning 13% v a Boris led Tories ie UKIP 2015 levels but Boris like Cameron still winning a small overall Tory majority.
And that's before campaigning begins. I really, really don't see Boris winning a majority.
Equally I don't see the time to have an election and still leave on October 31st unless Boris goes for an election in late July, early August at the very latest...
And if Boris has to change the October 31st date the Tories are toast.
I really, really do.
Boris is the Tories' best election campaigner alive bar none, probably even better than Cameron as showed in 2012 when he won the Mayoralty of London and Labour won the local elections and 2016 when Boris' side beat Cameron's in the EU referendum.
Corbyn got lucky in 2017 as he is a B list campaigner and May is a C/D list campaigner, Boris is A+ list so he will have his work cut out next time.
Boris could call an election in September if needed to get a mandate for Brexit and if Parliament tries and changes the October 31st date led by Corbyn Boris will win a resounding endorsement from the voters
Hammond's desperately trying to stay relevant (like TM and her carbon neutral announcement yesterday) but the tide has already gone out on him.
He's yesterdays man...
Yes, I suspect Raab, Javid or Hunt will end up Boris' Chancellor
Despite his conversion, Hunt will be viewed as still too Remainy for the rank and file. The other two are potential Brutus figures. I think Boris will through a curve ball and appoint a woman: possibly Esther or Priti.
In all the talk of a 2019 election the notion than TBP bubble will somehow be quickly burst is wide of the mark. If the Faragists really trusted Boris why did UKIP field a candidate against him in Uxbridge in 2017? Boris no doubt will recapture some of the lost vote but not all by any means. Another hung parliament may well follow.
YouGov has the Brexit party still winning 13% v a Boris led Tories ie UKIP 2015 levels but Boris like Cameron still winning a small overall Tory majority.
And that's before campaigning begins. I really, really don't see Boris winning a majority.
Equally I don't see the time to have an election and still leave on October 31st unless Boris goes for an election in late July, early August at the very latest...
And if Boris has to change the October 31st date the Tories are toast.
Does an election in August change the polling much? Are certain groups more likely to be away? Does in term/out of term for university matter?
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
As Eddie Mair memorably, and rightly, said he's a nasty piece of work.
Yes: nasty and incompetent. For all the superficial bonhomie and jolly japes persona, he is a bit like Corbyn in that respect. Corbyn seems polite and would no doubt be nice to chat to about gardening and such like. But there is an unpleasant side to him too eg not bothering to spearselves out of it.
Agree. I'm a lifelong (every GE since 1983) Labour voter, firmly in the Lib-Dem camp now.
Otherwise it is often someone tough and determined who changes the political weather and a more ideological leader eg Attlee or Thatcher, in which case look at Raab or indeed Corbyn
As too often, you miss the point. If Conservatives don’t stand for such old-fashioned concepts, there is no point to them.
Conservatism is largely dying now, replaced by revolutionary populists more in love with simplistic ideologies than with common-sense pragmatism and concern for their fellow men.
The centre is dying in general, as voters on both left and right seek an ever more potent political high to stimulate their jaded senses. On the one hand, I am one of those forgotten _conservative_ Conservatives - if the Britain of, say, 2015 could be frozen in aspic for the next 100 years, I wouldn't complain.
On the other hand, I'm also tempted by the lure of being represented by a leader who will actually cater directly to my interests, my passions, my vision of how the country could be improved. Like them or loathe them, the populists serve - indeed superserve - their electoral bases, and are loved for it.
Which of the two halves of my split political personality are dominant on a given day varies with my appetite for risk...
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
9 times out of ten it is the more charismatic candidate who wins, Churchill and Wilson and Blair and Cameron were all regarded as flashy and untrustworthy by many just as Bo Corbyn
As too often, you miss the point. If Conservatives don’t stand for such old-fashioned concepts, there is no point to them.
Conservatism is largely dying now, replaced by revolutionary populists more in love with simplistic ideologies than with common-sense pragmatism and concern for their fellow men.
Please brush up on your history, in 1832 Wellington opposed the Great Reform Act, in the 1840s the Tory Party supported the Corn Laws forcing the Peelites to split up and join the Whigs to form the Liberals, in the 1930s most Tories supported appeasement until 1940 and Churchill's return. From 1945 -1975 the Tory Party basically supported corporatism until Thatcher came along.
Indeed some of the Tories best leaders eg Disraeli, Churchill and Thatcher have pushed populism to some degree, often against the prevailing mood of the party at the time
Really, don’t patronise me. I have studied and read about rather more politics and history for rather long than you have, I expect. And have seen at very close hand what happens when organisations lose sight of the qualities which really matter.
The Tories are making a big mistake in pursuing Brexit in the way they have and in the way they are choosing their leaders. If this were a private matter I couldn’t care less. But they are damaging my country and my children's futures and, indeed, mine through their shallow, ignorant and malicious frivolity.
Off topic, this comment from a friend of mine on my abortive NY visit made me laugh -
“I think the crooked bankers staging a helicopter crash to get out of their meeting with you signals their guilt.”
The crash in which the pilot died?
Sorry. I did not mean that to sound insensitive. Nor was my friend being insensitive. It was a tragedy. And scary for those who were there, including the friends I met.
It was the idea that people would be so afraid of meeting me that they would do anything to avoid it.
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
As Eddie Mair memorably, and rightly, said he's a nasty piece of work.
Yes: er.
What a dreadful choice. I will not vote for either.
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Agree. I'm a lifelong (every GE since 1983) Labour voter, firmly in the Lib-Dem camp now.
I too am in the Lib Dem camp though in London it makes no difference as my constituency is now a safe Labour seat. But in Cumbria - in the constituency next to Rory’s - it’s a marginal. So my vote counts there. And nice as Trudi Harrison is I’m not going to reward the Tories for what they are doing.
Were Rory to become leader I’d look at them again. But I’m not holding my breath. He is wonderfully old-fashioned, and I mean that as a compliment.
The Tories are doing what the financial sector did for many years: choosing the risky, the flashy, the superficial with little regard for morality or decency or trustworthiness or old-fashioned concepts such as leadership and integrity. They will end up in big trouble and, eventually, will realise that such things do matter, are indeed more important than the golden calf they have worshipped. But we will have to endure the mess first, I fear.
Didn’t the LDs just win across Camden in the Euros, save for three wards in the south?
They did. But I wouldn’t be confident of that translating across to a GE. They have lost a lot of their local councillors and Tulip Siddiq has a majority of ca. 10,000.
So you’re going to vote for Corbyn’s lot in Copeland? Who’d have thought.
Absolutely not. I will vote Lib Dem or Green.
NFW will I ever vote Labour while Corbyn/McDonnell are in charge.
Your earlier post makes no sense, then, since Copeland being marginal doesn’t mean that your vote “counts”, unless you cast it for Tory or Labour. Voting LibDem or Green in Copeland is a much bigger waste of time than voting LibDem in Camden; at least in the latter case you’ll be voting for the party that comes second, making it easier for them to pick up votes the next time around.
In all the talk of a 2019 election the notion than TBP bubble will somehow be quickly burst is wide of the mark. If the Faragists really trusted Boris why did UKIP field a candidate against him in Uxbridge in 2017? Boris no doubt will recapture some of the lost vote but not all by any means. Another hung parliament may well follow.
YouGov has the Brexit party still winning 13% v a Boris led Tories ie UKIP 2015 levels but Boris like Cameron still winning a small overall Tory majority.
And that's before campaigning begins. I really, really don't see Boris winning a majority.
Equally I don't see the time to have an election and still leave on October 31st unless Boris goes for an election in late July, early August at the very latest...
And if Boris has to change the October 31st date the Tories are toast.
Does an election in August change the polling much? Are certain groups more likely to be away? Does in term/out of term for university matter?
It's logistics.
Unless Boris walks in without a vote he will win on July 22nd.
Now if Parliament sits after July 22nd he could call an election.
If however he doesn't Parliament will be in recess until September and I covered the issues of calling an election then earlier today - basically for Parliament to sit before October 31st you need to call an election by Wednesday September 4th.
After September 5th there is no chance Parliament would sit prior to the October 31st deadline passing...
Boris winning a big majority ain't going to happen. The Tories under Boris absolute best case is scraping a majority with the combination of those who want Brexit and the never Corbyn's, with just the correct amount of Labour voters splitting to Lib Dems because of Jezza's fence sitting.
The only published poll so far gave the Conservatives a majority of 140 under Johnson. Now there are a number of reasons why you may be sceptical that that is the most probable outcome, and I think most of us here would view that as tending towards an extreme of a wide variety of possible outcomes. However, in the face of such evidence you are just closing your eyes to the facts if you claim that the "absolute best case" is the Conservatives scraping a majority under Johnson.
The assumptions beneath that projection are obvious nonsense. The LibDems aren’t going to near treble their national vote by merrily adding the same percentage in every seat. On those percentages the LibDems will be sweeping Tories away through much of the Home Counties and South West.
While the Tories sweep Labour away in much of the North and Midlands
Labour falling back by a higher percentage in the remainer South East would mean that - for the same national vote share - its vote will hold up better elsewhere. We are wasting our time trying to put current opinion polls through a UNS seat calculator.
Hypothetically, yes. The problem with your argument is that the evidence points to the opposite situation to your hypothetical case. Under Johnson's leadership Labour was falling back most relative to the Conservatives in areas like Yorkshire and the West Midlands rather than the South East, such that they were ahead further in Yorkshire than in the SE. Look at the crossbreaks in that polling - the evidence is there that Labour is extremely vulnerable now in its heartlands.
So, yes, UNS is simplistic but it does not follow that the 140 seat projected majority must be overstated as opposed to being understated by UNS.
The more salient point is that, whatever the vagaries of UNS, the Conservatives under Johnson were 15% ahead of Labour, and however many caveats might be thrown at that poll it had to be folly to argue earlier that the "absolute best case" outcome for the Conservatives is for them is "scraping a majority" under his leadership.
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
As Eddie Mair memorably, and rightly, said he's a nasty piece of work.
Yes: nasty and incompetent. For all the superficial bonhomie and jolly japes persona, he is a bit like Corbyn in that respect. Corbyn seems polite and would no doubt be nice to chat to about gardening and such like. But there is an unpleasant side to him too eg not bothering to spearselves out of it.
Agree. I'm a lifelong (every GE since 1983) Labour voter, firmly in the Lib-Dem camp now.
Otherwise it is often someone tough and determined who changes the political weather and a more ideological leader eg Attlee or Thatcher, in which case look at Raab or indeed Corbyn
As too often, you miss the point. If Conservatives don’t stand for such old-fashioned concepts, there is no point to them.
Conservatism is largely dying now, replaced by revolutionary populists more in love with simplistic ideologies than with common-sense pragmatism and concern for their fellow men.
The centre is dying in general, as voters on both left and right seek an ever more potent political high to stimulate their jaded senses. On the one hand, I am one of those forgotten _conservative_ Conservatives - if the Britain of, say, 2015 could be frozen in aspic for the next 100 years, I wouldn't complain.
On the other hand, I'm also tempted by the lure of being represented by a leader who will actually cater directly to my interests, my passions, my vision of how the country could be improved. Like them or loathe them, the populists serve - indeed superserve - their electoral bases, and are loved for it.
Which of the two halves of my split political personality are dominant on a given day varies with my appetite for risk...
The whole point of my header this morning is that the populists won’t superserve their voters. Rather they will do stuff which will betray the hopes of their voters because their populism is shallow and not thought through and because they are being dishonest about the trade-offs involved.
Can’t see how Boris is going to be any more successful than May in resolving Brexit.
9 times out of ten it is the more charismatic candidate who wins, Churchill and Wilson and Blair and Cameron were all regarded as flashy and untrustworthy by many just as Bo Corbyn
As too often, you miss the point. If Conservatives don’t stand for such old-fashioned concepts, there is no point to them.
Conservatism is largely dying now, replaced by revolutionary populists more in love with simplistic ideologies than with common-sense pragmatism and concern for their fellow men.
Please brush up on your history, in 1832 Wellington opposed the Great Reform Act, in the 1840s the Tory Party supported the Corn Laws forcing the Peelites to split up and join the Whigs to form the Liberals, in the 1930s most Tories supported appeasement until 1940 and Churchill's return. From 1945 -1975 the Tory Party basically supported corporatism until Thatcher came along.
Indeed some of the Tories best leaders eg Disraeli, Churchill and Thatcher have pushed populism to some degree, often against the prevailing mood of the party at the time
Really, don’t patronise me. I have studied and read about rather more politics and history for rather long than you have, I expect. And have seen at very close hand what happens when organisations lose sight of the qualities which really matter.
The Tories are making a big mistake in pursuing Brexit in the way they have and in the way they are choosing their leaders. If this were a private matter I couldn’t care less. But they are damaging my country and my children's futures and, indeed, mine through their shallow, ignorant and malicious frivolity.
No, you are just implying your beliefs on what the Tory Party should be ie basically a second LD Party when ignoring the fact that most of its voters are conservatives and voted for Brexit.
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But when even a government member accepts that their policies have resulted in women turning to prostitution.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_wkO4hk07o
Lay Andrea Leadsom
for £50.00 @ 6.8 liability £290.00
Unbelievable that was ever on offer.
It would appear that Tories are no longer in favour of free trade and consumer choice.
The Indians think Cricket and Railways are theirs.
We have a special relationship.
Were Rory to become leader I’d look at them again. But I’m not holding my breath. He is wonderfully old-fashioned, and I mean that as a compliment.
The Tories are doing what the financial sector did for many years: choosing the risky, the flashy, the superficial with little regard for morality or decency or trustworthiness or old-fashioned concepts such as leadership and integrity. They will end up in big trouble and, eventually, will realise that such things do matter, are indeed more important than the golden calf they have worshipped. But we will have to endure the mess first, I fear.
He’s doing a positive Trump on Boris: look at the language in his tweets and how he’s leveraging outrage via social media.
Maybe he’s going for PM in a future (even more) hung Parliament at head of some cross party coalition?
He’s the only candidate ruling out no deal. He’s had a lot of coverage and his message to more moderate MPs should be you need to send a clear message about no deal and being against suspending Parliament .
I expect he’ll do well in the Channel 4 debate .
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1139212305743450115
Otherwise it is often someone tough and determined who changes the political weather and a more ideological leader eg Attlee or Thatcher, in which case look at Raab or indeed Corbyn
He's yesterdays man...
It’s the Tories core USP.
However, Boris' policy makes perfect sense when you consider he's a moron.
I maxed out at £2.4k.
“But Stewart has shown a magnificently intuitive grasp of how to use social media and the old-fashioned stump – and makes all his rivals, including Johnson, look painfully constipated. He sees himself unashamedly as a stylistically Trumpish grandstander for the centre-ground of politics.”
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/the-two-biggest-threats-to-boriss-leadership-bid/
Alas that PB's record tipster (for now, at least) resides in virtuous poverty!
Conservatism is largely dying now, replaced by revolutionary populists more in love with simplistic ideologies than with common-sense pragmatism and concern for their fellow men.
I doubt he wants to give Bozo the opportunity to sack him and even if they weren’t on such bad terms any job after Chancellor would be a demotion .
Most of the current Remainers are likely to go barring the born again Leavers . I expect Bozo to put in place some new fig leaf Remainers , he’ll need some cover for his One Nation charade .
I think the problem for who goes up against him in the final two is how nasty might that campaign become so it’s possible the runner up isn’t offered a job .
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1139213667021533184
Thanks.
Even a still image from that film makes her go white. She liked it before, now she just cannot watch it.
NFW will I ever vote Labour while Corbyn/McDonnell are in charge.
“I think the crooked bankers staging a helicopter crash to get out of their meeting with you signals their guilt.”
Torturing people particularly slowly to death is also a fun, wholesome and kid-friendly subject (see under London Dungeon).
Equally I don't see the time to have an election and still leave on October 31st unless Boris goes for an election in late July, early August at the very latest...
And if Boris has to change the October 31st date the Tories are toast.
Indeed some of the Tories best leaders eg Disraeli, Churchill and Thatcher have pushed populism to some degree, often against the prevailing mood of the party at the time
Boris is the Tories' best election campaigner alive bar none, probably even better than Cameron as showed in 2012 when he won the Mayoralty of London and Labour won the local elections and 2016 when Boris' side beat Cameron's in the EU referendum.
Corbyn got lucky in 2017 as he is a B list campaigner and May is a C/D list campaigner, Boris is A+ list so he will have his work cut out next time.
Boris could call an election in September if needed to get a mandate for Brexit and if Parliament tries and changes the October 31st date led by Corbyn Boris will win a resounding endorsement from the voters
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It was the idea that people would be so afraid of meeting me that they would do anything to avoid it.
Unless Boris walks in without a vote he will win on July 22nd.
Now if Parliament sits after July 22nd he could call an election.
If however he doesn't Parliament will be in recess until September and I covered the issues of calling an election then earlier today - basically for Parliament to sit before October 31st you need to call an election by Wednesday September 4th.
After September 5th there is no chance Parliament would sit prior to the October 31st deadline passing...
So, yes, UNS is simplistic but it does not follow that the 140 seat projected majority must be overstated as opposed to being understated by UNS.
The more salient point is that, whatever the vagaries of UNS, the Conservatives under Johnson were 15% ahead of Labour, and however many caveats might be thrown at that poll it had to be folly to argue earlier that the "absolute best case" outcome for the Conservatives is for them is "scraping a majority" under his leadership.