Good to see a racist party defeated. Depressing to see a racist party win. For Peterborough read England at the next general election. In hundreds of constituencies there will be no good choices.
I did not so am completely cream crackered and hoping nothing important comes up at work. Betfair's settler does seem to be enjoying a good night's sleep though, as the market is still open.
Well done Peterborough. Hopefully this will put to bed the notion that 70% of the country is screaming for a no-deal Brexit, which seems to have been much of media’s interpretation of the Euro results.
Hoping that is good enough for Betfair, split infinitive and all ?
The ambiguity follows from a line midway through that report: Mrs May remains acting leader while the contest takes place.
If I ran Betfair, I'd be thinking about voiding the market, especially as their Help Desk team has been reported to have given conflicting advice. As punters, we are basically betting on which way Betfair will jump rather than when Theresa May departs.
Well done Peterborough. Hopefully this will put to bed the notion that 70% of the country is screaming for a no-deal Brexit, which seems to have been much of media’s interpretation of the Euro results.
Stephen Pollard talking out of his backside as usual starting with 'Our allies in Labour...' Since when has he ever done anything other than use any right wing vehicle open to him to discredit Labour since long before Corbyn. He's a complete humbug.
Great result for all those who loathe Farage and all he stands for. Difficult to talk about racists and anti-semites if his mob had won a seat.
And another victory for Remain.....just!
'Just' is enough as Leave keep reminding us. Especially in FPTP elections.
Glad to see TBP defeated though, especially with our pro-Leave media. According to the Guardian 'Farage left the count through a backdoor just minutes before the result was announced.'. Didn't, apparently speak to reporters.
Lamenting the fact that a party led by Farage didn't win from an anti racist position... Only hypocrites like Pollard can do that kind of thing with a straight face.
Turns out Farage's racism isn't the vote winner Pollard was hoping it would be, turns out the younger generation don't share his hateful values. What a shame....
Must admit, I am surprised. Kudos to anyone who backed Labour.
@Casino_Royale@NickPalmer and I collectively agree on little but we all saw it as a good idea to oppose the Brexit party yesterday morning at the odds on offer.
My reasoning was simply that no one really knew what was going on and yet the Brexit party odds were very short. Knowing that the Brexit party probably didn’t know who their voters were or have experienced by-election campaigners also influenced me. Finally, Peterborough is not a seat particularly suited to the Brexit party. They had the momentum but that was it.
Great result for all those who loathe Farage and all he stands for. Difficult to talk about racists and anti-semites if his mob had won a seat.
And another victory for Remain.....just!
'Just' is enough as Leave keep reminding us. Especially in FPTP elections.
Glad to see TBP defeated though, especially with our pro-Leave media. According to the Guardian 'Farage left the count through a backdoor just minutes before the result was announced.'. Didn't, apparently speak to reporters.
Hopefully we've reached the high water mark for Farage and the the collapse is fast and humiliating. 'Slinking out of the backdoor' is a great start
Perhaps Farage might change his mind on Brexit - the European elections seem to be the only thing he can win. Feel blessed to be spared his Rothmans grin all over the place this morning. And lovely to see TBP blaming it all on the wrong colour of voter - their true colours showing as expected.
Interestingly, even if you added UKIP's vote to the BP's, then they still would not have won. In a seat where >62% voted to leave, there seems to be no fondness for a hard Brexit.
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
Excellent news for British politics generally, there is life in the old dog yet. Hope all parties take comfort in our ability to defeat Farage. FPTP is a different ball game.
Must admit, I am surprised. Kudos to anyone who backed Labour.
@Casino_Royale@NickPalmer and I collectively agree on little but we all saw it as a good idea to oppose the Brexit party yesterday morning at the odds on offer.
My reasoning was simply that no one really knew what was going on and yet the Brexit party odds were very short. Knowing that the Brexit party probably didn’t know who their voters were or have experienced by-election campaigners also influenced me. Finally, Peterborough is not a seat particularly suited to the Brexit party. They had the momentum but that was it.
Yes, though my predictions were wrong, the Labour ground game looked very efficient, so I put a tenner on Labour at 5.
Good to see the grin wiped off Farage's ugly mug, hopefully infighting to start shortly in the BXP. Anti-semitic Corbynista not my taste but could be critical in a VONC.
@Casino_Royale@NickPalmer and I collectively agree on little but we all saw it as a good idea to oppose the Brexit party yesterday morning at the odds on offer.
My reasoning was simply that no one really knew what was going on and yet the Brexit party odds were very short. Knowing that the Brexit party probably didn’t know who their voters were or have experienced by-election campaigners also influenced me. Finally, Peterborough is not a seat particularly suited to the Brexit party. They had the momentum but that was it.
Don't forget me! I tipped Labour at 8. Smug city. ☺
Why the swingback to BXP? (I didn’t stay up to watch)
Trading, cashing out, and naive momentum followers misled by the former; the arrival of Nigel Farage at the count would have further encouraged backers (and is evidence his team was confident early in the count).
Stephen Pollard talking out of his backside as usual starting with 'Our allies in Labour...' Since when has he ever done anything other than use any right wing vehicle open to him to discredit Labour since long before Corbyn. He's a complete humbug.
The new Labour MP should be suspended from the party whip pending an investigation. Anything else is a betrayal of the party's claim to be anti-racist.
Lamenting the fact that a party led by Farage didn't win from an anti racist position... Only hypocrites like Pollard can do that kind of thing with a straight face.
Turns out Farage's racism isn't the vote winner Pollard was hoping it would be, turns out the younger generation don't share his hateful values. What a shame....
And they don't care about the anti-semintism in their own ranks. Shameful.
Lamenting the fact that a party led by Farage didn't win from an anti racist position... Only hypocrites like Pollard can do that kind of thing with a straight face.
Turns out Farage's racism isn't the vote winner Pollard was hoping it would be, turns out the younger generation don't share his hateful values. What a shame....
And they don't care about the anti-semintism in their own ranks. Shameful.
They don't believe our racist, xenophobic right wing media who amplify claims (many false or out of context) in order to boost those who follow their bigoted views.
What ought to worry Pollard is that the opposite might be even worse, that antisemitism is kept hidden for a sniff of power.
It is undeniable that in some quarters a whiff of anti-semitism goes down well indeed.
I think it is all priced in now. No one else will change their mind or vote over Labours anti-semitism problem.
Yep, that’s fair. Also worth mentioning that the Brexit party is led by someone who has openly endorsed and campaigned for white supremacists in Europe and the US, while the Tories are just about to make someone who has happily consorted with racists for years their leader. There were no good choices for the voters of Peterborough, so they were forced into making a judgement on the least worst choice.
So the BBC is announcing that May will stand down officially today as Tory party leader, yet the odds on a June departure are 6.0 on Betfair and the rules are: “When will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of the Conservative Party?”
Great result for all those who loathe Farage and all he stands for. Difficult to talk about racists and anti-semites if his mob had won a seat.
And another victory for Remain.....just!
'Just' is enough as Leave keep reminding us. Especially in FPTP elections.
Glad to see TBP defeated though, especially with our pro-Leave media. According to the Guardian 'Farage left the count through a backdoor just minutes before the result was announced.'. Didn't, apparently speak to reporters.
"Mr Farage's silence was significant. He will be concerned that if his new party couldn't win here, where 61% of voters voted Leave in 2016, where can they win?
Something to chew over next time is enjoying five-star roast beef and claret." Sky News
Glad to see TBP defeated though, especially with our pro-Leave media. According to the Guardian 'Farage left the count through a backdoor just minutes before the result was announced.'. Didn't, apparently speak to reporters.
Nigel was pissed - in both the English and American sense of the word. Allegedly.
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
So the BBC is announcing that May will stand down officially today as Tory party leader, yet the odds on a June departure are 6.0 on Betfair and the rules are: “When will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of the Conservative Party?”
The leadership is vacant from the moment she resigns. However, she continues to discharge the functions of party leader until a replacement is elected.
The only Tory leader in the twentieth century who handed them over to somebody else - leaving aside Bonar Law and Anthony Eden who were both on sick leave at the time they resigned - was Edward Heath, who began the longest sulk in history by asking Robert Carr to act as leader until the conclusion of the leadership election.
I would argue that she officially ceases to be leader today. Acting leader is not the same as leader.
So the BBC is announcing that May will stand down officially today as Tory party leader, yet the odds on a June departure are 6.0 on Betfair and the rules are: “When will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of the Conservative Party?”
Trouble is, when she stands down, Theresa May stops being the leader and immediately becomes the acting leader, or in other words, the leader. I'd say the current price is a good one but only because it should be 3 or 4. We are betting on Betfair's whim, not on anything Theresa May does.
@Casino_Royale@NickPalmer and I collectively agree on little but we all saw it as a good idea to oppose the Brexit party yesterday morning at the odds on offer.
My reasoning was simply that no one really knew what was going on and yet the Brexit party odds were very short. Knowing that the Brexit party probably didn’t know who their voters were or have experienced by-election campaigners also influenced me. Finally, Peterborough is not a seat particularly suited to the Brexit party. They had the momentum but that was it.
Don't forget me! I tipped Labour at 8. Smug city. ☺
Yes.
Well done but this morning I am just relieved Farage has been humiliated and strangely fled the scene showing him up as a coward. I would however issue a word of warning to labour proclaiming this as a great victory when labour lost 17% of their vote
The show moves on now to the leadership race and if anything I believe Boris's chance has improved after a reasonable conservative showing last night and he is probably the only conservative who can attack Farage and Corbyn with some success
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
Yet you were happy to campaign on xenophobic lies to win a referendum. Hypocrite.
Lamenting the fact that a party led by Farage didn't win from an anti racist position... Only hypocrites like Pollard can do that kind of thing with a straight face.
Turns out Farage's racism isn't the vote winner Pollard was hoping it would be, turns out the younger generation don't share his hateful values. What a shame....
And they don't care about the anti-semintism in their own ranks. Shameful.
They don't believe our racist, xenophobic right wing media who amplify claims (many false or out of context) in order to boost those who follow their bigoted views.
LOL. What was 'out-of-context' or 'false' about the comments about Lisa Forbes social media usage?
Great result for all those who loathe Farage and all he stands for. Difficult to talk about racists and anti-semites if his mob had won a seat.
And another victory for Remain.....just!
'Just' is enough as Leave keep reminding us. Especially in FPTP elections.
Glad to see TBP defeated though, especially with our pro-Leave media. According to the Guardian 'Farage left the count through a backdoor just minutes before the result was announced.'. Didn't, apparently speak to reporters.
"Mr Farage's silence was significant. He will be concerned that if his new party couldn't win here, where 61% of voters voted Leave in 2016, where can they win?
Something to chew over next time is enjoying five-star roast beef and claret." Sky News
Curtice said the result is in line with national polls
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
Yet we know the CIA helped set up Al Qaeda. Is it such a leap to think that ISIS too might be a creation of the CIA, or the Saudis, or even Mossad? There must be a difference between allegations being antisemitic and simply damn stupid.
So the BBC is announcing that May will stand down officially today as Tory party leader, yet the odds on a June departure are 6.0 on Betfair and the rules are: “When will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of the Conservative Party?”
The leadership is vacant from the moment she resigns. However, she continues to discharge the functions of party leader until a replacement is elected.
The only Tory leader in the twentieth century who handed them over to somebody else - leaving aside Bonar Law and Anthony Eden who were both on sick leave at the time they resigned - was Edward Heath, who began the longest sulk in history by asking Robert Carr to act as leader until the conclusion of the leadership election.
I would argue that she officially ceases to be leader today. Acting leader is not the same as leader.
I know that, you know that, Betfair does not. Insane how much money I assume we have all left on the table due to this.
So the BBC is announcing that May will stand down officially today as Tory party leader, yet the odds on a June departure are 6.0 on Betfair and the rules are: “When will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of the Conservative Party?”
The leadership is vacant from the moment she resigns. However, she continues to discharge the functions of party leader until a replacement is elected.
The only Tory leader in the twentieth century who handed them over to somebody else - leaving aside Bonar Law and Anthony Eden who were both on sick leave at the time they resigned - was Edward Heath, who began the longest sulk in history by asking Robert Carr to act as leader until the conclusion of the leadership election.
I would argue that she officially ceases to be leader today. Acting leader is not the same as leader.
You can argue that. However, for betting purposes, it is what Betfair decides that matters, not some higher truth.
I did not so am completely cream crackered and hoping nothing important comes up at work. Betfair's settler does seem to be enjoying a good night's sleep though, as the market is still open.
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
Yet you were happy to campaign on xenophobic lies to win a referendum. Hypocrite.
I feel like we've had this conversation a few times, Alastair.
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
Yet you were happy to campaign on xenophobic lies to win a referendum. Hypocrite.
I feel like we've had this conversation a few times, Alastair.
Yes, and you will never get a free pass to be hypocritical. Motes and beams, motes and beams.
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
As I say above, it seems a similar descent as occurs in red-pilling. A slow descent into conspiracy theorism and easy answers where a particular individual or group is to blame.
If loads of right-on people you generally agree with say, or agree with, guarded, carefully-worded borderline racist comments, those comments slowly becomes normalised. It is then easier to sink further down into the abyss and accept worse comments.
And social media is full of little exclusive rooms that act as direct sinkholes into racism.
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
Yet we know the CIA helped set up Al Qaeda. Is it such a leap to think that ISIS too might be a creation of the CIA, or the Saudis, or even Mossad? There must be a difference between allegations being antisemitic and simply damn stupid.
Yes.
It's not quite correct to say the CIA 'helped to set up' Al-Qaeda. That was formed out of the mujahideen groups in Afghanistan, which in turn had been around since before the Soviet invasion. However, following the Soviet invasion the CIA funnelled a lot of money to them in order to maximise the damage and disruption to the Soviet puppet state. In fact Al Qaeda as an official organisation began when bin Laden's money began replacing this CIA money.
A phrase about sowing winds and reaping whirlwinds springs to mind, but I think it's going a bit far to say they 'set it up.'
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
Yet we know the CIA helped set up Al Qaeda. Is it such a leap to think that ISIS too might be a creation of the CIA, or the Saudis, or even Mossad? There must be a difference between allegations being antisemitic and simply damn stupid.
Yes, it is 'such a leap' - from the CIA backing what they saw as an anti-Soviet force to the idea that Israel would back an organisation that would like to wipe them out.
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
The choice in Peterborough was between a party led by a man who has stood shoulder to shoulder with anti-Semites and one led by a man who has stood shoulder to shoulder with white supremacists. Those solely focusing on one of the two are not genuine anti-racists.
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
As I say above, it seems a similar descent as occurs in red-pilling. A slow descent into conspiracy theorism and easy answers where a particular individual or group is to blame.
If loads of right-on people you generally agree with say, or agree with, guarded, carefully-worded borderline racist comments, those comments slowly becomes normalised. It is then easier to sink further down into the abyss and accept worse comments.
And social media is full of little exclusive rooms that act as direct sinkholes into racism.
(Needless to say, this works in many directions.)
Can we all agree that the average Peterborough MP is a loathsome racist twat, and leave it at that?
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
As I say above, it seems a similar descent as occurs in red-pilling. A slow descent into conspiracy theorism and easy answers where a particular individual or group is to blame.
If loads of right-on people you generally agree with say, or agree with, guarded, carefully-worded borderline racist comments, those comments slowly becomes normalised. It is then easier to sink further down into the abyss and accept worse comments.
And social media is full of little exclusive rooms that act as direct sinkholes into racism.
(Needless to say, this works in many directions.)
Can we all agree that the average Peterborough MP is a loathsome racist twat, and leave it at that?
It seems to be part of the job description.
Tim, formerly of this parish, saw Peterborough as one of the constituencies cursed by its representatives of whatever party. I seem to recall Shrewsbury was on his list too.
So the BBC is announcing that May will stand down officially today as Tory party leader, yet the odds on a June departure are 6.0 on Betfair and the rules are: “When will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of the Conservative Party?”
Yes. Seems like the interpretation the exchange are making is that she is leader until a new leader takes over. So the bet is not on when she resigns, but on the betfair interpretation of their rules and whether it will go to a membership vote.
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
Yet we know the CIA helped set up Al Qaeda. Is it such a leap to think that ISIS too might be a creation of the CIA, or the Saudis, or even Mossad? There must be a difference between allegations being antisemitic and simply damn stupid.
No, there really isn't. The allegations aren't being made to get to any underlying 'truth', but to spread hatred and defend the really evil people - ISIS themselves, and their supporters.
It's insinuating that ISIS were not responsible for their actions: it was the responsibility of the evil Americans and Israelis (code for 'Jews'). Blame them, not ISIS.
So the BBC is announcing that May will stand down officially today as Tory party leader, yet the odds on a June departure are 6.0 on Betfair and the rules are: “When will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of the Conservative Party?”
Yes. Seems like the interpretation the exchange are making is that she is leader until a new leader takes over. So the bet is not on when she resigns, but on the betfair interpretation of their rules and whether it will go to a membership vote.
That and she is remaining acting leader. So she is still leader.
I think Labour will win tomorrow. I just can't see people voting the same way for a Westminster seat as they do for Euros. I could be wrong but it seems like one of those times people get carried away with the narrative of big change.
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
Yet we know the CIA helped set up Al Qaeda. Is it such a leap to think that ISIS too might be a creation of the CIA, or the Saudis, or even Mossad? There must be a difference between allegations being antisemitic and simply damn stupid.
'Be careful what you wish for' is a good basis for action. Especially when someone points out you might be being too clever by half.
TBF, I don't think she's an anti-Semite herself. She's a fool, and quite possibly politically naive, but what she did is not evidence of active anti-Semitism. It does make her someone I don't particularly want in parliament.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
At the very least, her endorsement of a post theorising that Mossad funds ISIS shows a shocking level of naiveté. It probably indicates a lot worse though.
The choice in Peterborough was between a party led by a man who has stood shoulder to shoulder with anti-Semites and one led by a man who has stood shoulder to shoulder with white supremacists. Those solely focusing on one of the two are not genuine anti-racists.
Whatever Farage has said or done, at least there's nothing to suggest the BXP candidate is any kind of racist.
In all the celebrations around D Day should we not recall that Rome fell to the Allies on June 4th 1944 and, after the Battles of Monte Cassino, the British, Americans and particularly the Poles were able to move further North up the 'leg' of Italy. The Allies were in Western Europe before D Day!
This would have been one of the few by elections where I would have voted Labour. Though traditionally a Labour voter I'm just about old enough to remember the era Corbyn is trying to recreate and it's not a pretty one.
But at a time when we have a seriously racist party in our midst and a nasty xenophobic one grabbing it's coat tails far from seeing Corbyn as a racist I see him as one of the few bastions standing against it.
Well I must say that is quite unexpected. Probably doesn't make getting the deal through Parliament any easier. Probably keeps Corbyn a little more secure than he deserves. Probably helps the less frothy candidates in the Tory leadership race. Shows that my reservations about the value of a ground game were just plain wrong.
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Hoping that is good enough for Betfair, split infinitive and all ?
And another victory for Remain.....just!
If I ran Betfair, I'd be thinking about voiding the market, especially as their Help Desk team has been reported to have given conflicting advice. As punters, we are basically betting on which way Betfair will jump rather than when Theresa May departs.
Must admit, I am surprised. Kudos to anyone who backed Labour.
Glad to see TBP defeated though, especially with our pro-Leave media. According to the Guardian 'Farage left the count through a backdoor just minutes before the result was announced.'. Didn't, apparently speak to reporters.
Turns out Farage's racism isn't the vote winner Pollard was hoping it would be, turns out the younger generation don't share his hateful values. What a shame....
At least I didn't lose. I would have won more if my early 200/1 on the LibDems had won!
My reasoning was simply that no one really knew what was going on and yet the Brexit party odds were very short. Knowing that the Brexit party probably didn’t know who their voters were or have experienced by-election campaigners also influenced me. Finally, Peterborough is not a seat particularly suited to the Brexit party. They had the momentum but that was it.
Corbyn's Labour should be proud to have such a woman in their party.
I knew their ground game would be shit.
Their candidate admitted it on BBC news this morning.
All in all, a good show by Labour.
Con 22.5%, Lab 26.6%, LD 17.1%, Brex 21.4%
Con 193
Lab 291
LD 36
Brex 54
Grn 1
PC 3
SNP
53
NI 18
Lab minority, 35 short of majority.
Of the 24 LD gains, 2 are from Lab and 22 are from Con.
of the 54 Brex gains, 7 are from Lab and 47 from Con.
The Tories are being eaten from all sides. Labour gain 29 seats on 2017 in spite of 14% drop in share.
Although the above predictions will be wrong, the basic underlying pattern is clear.
BXP biggest ‘losers’ of the night but have shown they can attract substantial votes.
Lib Dems continuing to improve their position.
Labour will be delighted to hold this and this helps shore up Corbyns position.
Tories will be pleased their vote didn’t collapse and shows they can potentially pull things back depending on the leadership change.
What it does show is how easy it is for (supposedly) good people to fall into the traps laid by anti-Semites and racists - and which is why awareness is so important. And it's a short step from falling into that trap to becoming one.
It's like a left-wing version of red-pilling.
Good to see the grin wiped off Farage's ugly mug, hopefully infighting to start shortly in the BXP. Anti-semitic Corbynista not my taste but could be critical in a VONC.
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I think it is all priced in now. No one else will change their mind or vote over Labours anti-semitism problem.
Something to chew over next time is enjoying five-star roast beef and claret."
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The only Tory leader in the twentieth century who handed them over to somebody else - leaving aside Bonar Law and Anthony Eden who were both on sick leave at the time they resigned - was Edward Heath, who began the longest sulk in history by asking Robert Carr to act as leader until the conclusion of the leadership election.
I would argue that she officially ceases to be leader today. Acting leader is not the same as leader.
‘Vote Tory, get Corbyn’. Rolls eyes.
Well done but this morning I am just relieved Farage has been humiliated and strangely fled the scene showing him up as a coward. I would however issue a word of warning to labour proclaiming this as a great victory when labour lost 17% of their vote
The show moves on now to the leadership race and if anything I believe Boris's chance has improved after a reasonable conservative showing last night and he is probably the only conservative who can attack Farage and Corbyn with some success
If loads of right-on people you generally agree with say, or agree with, guarded, carefully-worded borderline racist comments, those comments slowly becomes normalised. It is then easier to sink further down into the abyss and accept worse comments.
And social media is full of little exclusive rooms that act as direct sinkholes into racism.
(Needless to say, this works in many directions.)
It's not quite correct to say the CIA 'helped to set up' Al-Qaeda. That was formed out of the mujahideen groups in Afghanistan, which in turn had been around since before the Soviet invasion. However, following the Soviet invasion the CIA funnelled a lot of money to them in order to maximise the damage and disruption to the Soviet puppet state. In fact Al Qaeda as an official organisation began when bin Laden's money began replacing this CIA money.
A phrase about sowing winds and reaping whirlwinds springs to mind, but I think it's going a bit far to say they 'set it up.'
It seems to be part of the job description.
Another Jew hating MP though is bad news for the Uk - let’s hope that she is either ousted in 2022 or before hand.
It's insinuating that ISIS were not responsible for their actions: it was the responsibility of the evil Americans and Israelis (code for 'Jews'). Blame them, not ISIS.
As ever, last month I think people got rather over excited at a low turn out election on a single issue with a single issue party standing.
Cons deliver Brexit they will win the next GE against Jew hating Labour.
The Allies were in Western Europe before D Day!
But at a time when we have a seriously racist party in our midst and a nasty xenophobic one grabbing it's coat tails far from seeing Corbyn as a racist I see him as one of the few bastions standing against it.