The funniest female writer around by a distance. The only blot on her copybook was a fling with Piers Morgan but nobody's perfect
Cracking stuff.
"Melania Trump, whose miserable countenance seems living testament to the old adage that when you marry for money, you earn every penny."
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That's the only good line in it. The rest is as dull as ditch-water, especially given the absolute hilarity of the material. But, this being the Guardian, it has to be twisted into a mind-numbingly tedious anti-British rant, as boring and predictable as most of the Guardian cartoons.
Were the polls right in Denmark in terms of predicting a big percentage win for the Red bloc of around 55%? The seat numbers suggest it was closer than that.
Given it should be TBP’s strategy here to talk up the Lib Dem’s I find it weird they decided to still make that leaflet a TBP/Labour race.
Anyway, i’d say Labour hold. They have the ground game and a reliable bloc vote. From what i’ve seen TBP’s ground game is as clueless as UKIP’s ever was, which will especially hurt them as their supporters are going to be far more apathetic. Tory vote may hold up better than expected, Lib Dems will improve a bit but probably not trouble the Tories.
That is quite a prediction, have you been to Peterborough? Though it is true to say even on current polls the Labour Party should hold Peterborough
During the campaign? No. It’s just a gut feeling from the various rumours I’ve heard.
To me the Brexit Party looks a far slicker operation than UKIP, making excellent use of social media and well targeted leaflets and they had hundreds of canvassers out in the seat on Saturday.
I suppose if it is a very low turnout Labour could scrape home if they get their vote out but I think the mood will be for a Brexit Party protest vote of those who do turn out
What is noticeable is that with all these public declarations of Corbyn's bigotry, there isn't a single word of him trying to defend his honour in court. He knows he would lose.
There was a bit of a shift last summer where more people started accusing Corbyn rather than merely people around him or that he fostered such racism or did not do enough about it. And yet despite the exciting blip of the Tiggers it has only been when the Brexit policy hurt Labour that he has been under pressure again. And even the Tiggers seemed more motivated by Brexit than anything else.
I think that rather shows how little MPs and the public care about Corbyn being a bigot or not - if it had an effect it was to prevent Labour running away with big leads, but it still didn't hurt them in polling appreciably.
It is utterly depressing that this is the case. In any other normal times, Corbyn would have been destroyed by the constant stream of evidence showing how tainted he and his followed are.
Oh to not live in interesting times again
Give it 10 years.
Unfortunately I am not immortal
TBH judging by the republicans in the US it is the new card to play, so every Labour leader is going to be anti semitic from now on, like Corbyn they won't actually be.
Megan McCain is so upset that she can't call Bernie antisemitic. Though she did say Eli Valley was...
Bernie doesn't really count, he is just an old white guy, that is what I keep hearing.. it is mildly confusing but I'm sure there must be something in it...
Eli is one of them wrong uns I guess, Megan will set him straight.
Sorry, you think it's funny? Really? Perhaps you think BBC radio comedy is funny as well?
Bits are. The Now Show is patchy, but always has some good moments. I’ve started to like Night Terrace, a total Hitchhikers rip-off Aussie style. Archival stuff often excellent.
Brexit Party 1/6 Labour 5/1 Lib Dems 33/1 Conservatives 66/1
I think BXP will win this with 40%, and Lab trailing behind in the mid 20s.
Why?
- the Brexit Party got 38% in the Euros - the previous Labour candidate went to jail - if I want Brexit, why would I vote for any of the other parties? - there's no meaningful LD operation to pick up protest votes - it went 60+% leave in the referendum - it's a free hit
Whilst I don't disagree with your main point, the fact that the previous Labour MP went to jail is very unlikely to make much difference. As a general rule, voters don't punish parties much if at all for the crimes of their previous candidates. See, for example, Eastleigh by-election 2013, Watford GE 2010, Rotherham by-election 2012, Barnsley Central by-election 2011, Oldham East & Saddleworth by-election 2011.
That's true. Which should make a potential Brecon and Radnorshire by-election if, I assume, the criminal MP there stands as he is entitled to, and under the Tory banner to boot.
Given how much the Tory vote is down at the moment, I doubt they'd be confident of holding it even with a new candidate, if the election occurs.
Sorry, you think it's funny? Really? Perhaps you think BBC radio comedy is funny as well?
Bits are. The Now Show is patchy, but always has some good moments. I’ve started to like Night Terrace, a total Hitchhikers rip-off Aussie style. Archival stuff often excellent.
The Now Show is absolutely painful. I sometimes hear a few minutes of it whilst waiting for the news. It's excruciating, and they obviously realise how awful it is because they try to cover up the dullness with noise.
Brexit Party 1/6 Labour 5/1 Lib Dems 33/1 Conservatives 66/1
I think BXP will win this with 40%, and Lab trailing behind in the mid 20s.
Why?
- the Brexit Party got 38% in the Euros - the previous Labour candidate went to jail - if I want Brexit, why would I vote for any of the other parties? - there's no meaningful LD operation to pick up protest votes - it went 60+% leave in the referendum - it's a free hit
If someone could screengrab this forecast and then use it to laugh at me tomorrow evening, that would be great
Broadly agree. However, not sure of your 40% reasoning. Why on Earth should Brexit get more of a share in a by election than in an election which is specifically and exclusively about Europe? Am also prepared to be laughed at, but I make chances for a win at. TBP 70% Lab 25% Somebody else 5%. Which makes a few quid on all Labour, LDs and Cons value for me.
Sorry, you think it's funny? Really? Perhaps you think BBC radio comedy is funny as well?
It’s an elegant piece of satire that quite pointedly defines the absurdity of their president and our monarchy. There are a few funnies within it. But, essentially, it’s just poking fun at what was a painfully fawning, pathetic, embarrassing couple of days.
I understand Harold Godwinson also personally blamed Corbyn for the defeat to William the Conqueror, with apologies to Guido for spoiling a future splash there...
Sorry, you think it's funny? Really? Perhaps you think BBC radio comedy is funny as well?
It’s an elegant piece of satire that quite pointedly defines the absurdity of their president and our monarchy. There are a few funnies within it. But, essentially, it’s just poking fun at what was a painfully fawning, pathetic, embarrassing couple of days.
Exactly. You want to find a political point, you're not really interested in whether it's funny or not. And yet the whole state visit was absolutely hilarious from beginning to end, not that you'd know from that article.
Sorry, you think it's funny? Really? Perhaps you think BBC radio comedy is funny as well?
It’s an elegant piece of satire that quite pointedly defines the absurdity of their president and our monarchy. There are a few funnies within it. But, essentially, it’s just poking fun at what was a painfully fawning, pathetic, embarrassing couple of days.
Pathetic and embarrassing? When Trump has had visits to other nations too, and we don't look down on them I am sure, because what a sad thing to do that would be.
Maybe you should take your own advice and get over yourself, and stop feeling sorry for yourself on behalf of the nation because an arsehole politician is given a state visit because of the office he unfortunately holds. Oh, what horrors. And the media cover it too? I fear I may collapse from the shame.
Were the polls right in Denmark in terms of predicting a big percentage win for the Red bloc of around 55%? The seat numbers suggest it was closer than that.
No, you are right the result was closer. Main difference was Venstre overperformed by 6%.
Not seen it, but can well imagine what is in this documentary.
There is a place in social and political history waiting for the first party leader to grab this problem by the neck and sort it for generations to come:
I think it might be a good compromise, some people want a leadership contest but a lot of people don't.
So have a deputy leadership contest instead. The mandate is looking a bit stale from all the way back in 2015 anyway.
Role is for life or until they resign iirc. But happy to be corrected.
Probably right, I think they've gone when leaders have (or just after) mainly but not sure on the rules. No obvious method to get rid of him involuntarily I don't think.
Actually I think MPs can if they want to VONC a deputy leader (or something similar) but that isn't happening anyway.
Not seen it, but can well imagine what is in this documentary.
There is a place in social and political history waiting for the first party leader to grab this problem by the neck and sort it for generations to come:
In the absence of a landslide what leader of ours would be bold enough and secure enough to do so, even assuming the plan they had really was great? Bodge jobs will be the order of the day.
Sorry, you think it's funny? Really? Perhaps you think BBC radio comedy is funny as well?
It’s an elegant piece of satire that quite pointedly defines the absurdity of their president and our monarchy. There are a few funnies within it. But, essentially, it’s just poking fun at what was a painfully fawning, pathetic, embarrassing couple of days.
Exactly. You want to find a political point, you're not really interested in whether it's funny or not. And yet the whole state visit was absolutely hilarious from beginning to end, not that you'd know from that article.
I found it funny, as I have said. But it was also a good exploration of the absolutely sycophantic way we treated this moron.
Not seen it, but can well imagine what is in this documentary.
There is a place in social and political history waiting for the first party leader to grab this problem by the neck and sort it for generations to come:
In the absence of a landslide what leader of ours would be bold enough and secure enough to do so, even assuming the plan they had really was great?
Yes, it would need a government with a big majority to address this. That looks unlikely as things stand, so I fear we're not going to make much progress. The only ray of hope I can see is that there are some good initiatives to integrate the NHS side with the social care side more intelligently.
I think Joe Biden is probably the only realistic Dem nominee who beats Trumpton. Neutralises a lot of the East Coast liberal nonsense and probably ties up a lots of the skilled manual, older male Trump Democrats.
Were the polls right in Denmark in terms of predicting a big percentage win for the Red bloc of around 55%? The seat numbers suggest it was closer than that.
No, you are right the result was closer. Main difference was Venstre overperformed by 6%.
Thanks. Some polls had the red bloc on 62% and that seemed difficult to believe.
The funniest female writer around by a distance. The only blot on her copybook was a fling with Piers Morgan but nobody's perfect
Cracking stuff.
"Melania Trump, whose miserable countenance seems living testament to the old adage that when you marry for money, you earn every penny."
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That's the only good line in it. The rest is as dull as ditch-water, especially given the absolute hilarity of the material. But, this being the Guardian, it has to be twisted into a mind-numbingly tedious anti-British rant, as boring and predictable as most of the Guardian cartoons.
Oh god. Get over yourself.
He's obliged to find it funny?
The orotund outrage that other people might find stuff funny that one doesn't is quite funny in itself. Though of course no one is obliged to agree with me.
Sorry, you think it's funny? Really? Perhaps you think BBC radio comedy is funny as well?
Bits are. The Now Show is patchy, but always has some good moments. I’ve started to like Night Terrace, a total Hitchhikers rip-off Aussie style. Archival stuff often excellent.
The Now Show is absolutely painful. I sometimes hear a few minutes of it whilst waiting for the news. It's excruciating, and they obviously realise how awful it is because they try to cover up the dullness with noise.
Of course the archival stuff is different.
If I was a Tory I think that I’d strongly dislike the Now Show, and the News Quiz. But then they make tedious stuff like Just a Minute for Tories, don’t they?
Given it should be TBP’s strategy here to talk up the Lib Dem’s I find it weird they decided to still make that leaflet a TBP/Labour race.
Anyway, i’d say Labour hold. They have the ground game and a reliable bloc vote. From what i’ve seen TBP’s ground game is as clueless as UKIP’s ever was, which will especially hurt them as their supporters are going to be far more apathetic. Tory vote may hold up better than expected, Lib Dems will improve a bit but probably not trouble the Tories.
That is quite a prediction, have you been to Peterborough? Though it is true to say even on current polls the Labour Party should hold Peterborough
During the campaign? No. It’s just a gut feeling from the various rumours I’ve heard.
To me the Brexit Party looks a far slicker operation than UKIP, making excellent use of social media and well targeted leaflets and they had hundreds of canvassers out in the seat on Saturday.
I suppose if it is a very low turnout Labour could scrape home if they get their vote out but I think the mood will be for a Brexit Party protest vote of those who do turn out
Oh that side is definitely slicker but on the ground it seems mad. They keep going back to the train station for a start, you know where all the London transplants are walking by and get reminded to vote for their opponents...
Were the polls right in Denmark in terms of predicting a big percentage win for the Red bloc of around 55%? The seat numbers suggest it was closer than that.
The ones taken in the final couple of days suggested, in the main, somewhat closer than that. Was within MOE though. Traditional swing back effect?
Sorry, you think it's funny? Really? Perhaps you think BBC radio comedy is funny as well?
It’s an elegant piece of satire that quite pointedly defines the absurdity of their president and our monarchy. There are a few funnies within it. But, essentially, it’s just poking fun at what was a painfully fawning, pathetic, embarrassing couple of days.
Pathetic and embarrassing? When Trump has had visits to other nations too, and we don't look down on them I am sure, because what a sad thing to do that would be.
Maybe you should take your own advice and get over yourself, and stop feeling sorry for yourself on behalf of the nation because an arsehole politician is given a state visit because of the office he unfortunately holds. Oh, what horrors. And the media cover it too? I fear I may collapse from the shame.
I'm happy to just laugh at the man, frankly.
I don’t see anything to commend a ‘state visit’ and would prefer that we didn’t have a state-funded monarchy that we pay to boost the already overinflated egos of morons like Trump. The entire miserable spectacle spoke to entitlement, rather than a society based on hard work and talent. One born-in silver-spooner licking the backside of another.
If I was a Tory I think that I’d strongly dislike the Now Show, and the News Quiz. But then they make tedious stuff like Just a Minute for Tories, don’t they?
Just a Minute? Blimey, is that still going? It was past its spike-by date 30 years ago.
The News Quiz used to be quite amusing, but has gone downhill.
Apparently Raab crashed and burned at the One Nation hustings tonight .
I’m beginning to wonder whether he’s a plant for Bozo . He’s making him look sane and sensible .
Way out of his depth I have always thought.
All the personality of a cardboard cut-out. To proceed with Brexit as he has said he would, he would need a lot of charisma to take people with him. He has none.
The funniest female writer around by a distance. The only blot on her copybook was a fling with Piers Morgan but nobody's perfect
I don’t know the precise configuration of the Abbey by heart, but was he possibly asking about the Cosmati Floor - which is one of the most exciting parts of the abbey. Not just “what stone is the floor made from”
If I was a Tory I think that I’d strongly dislike the Now Show, and the News Quiz. But then they make tedious stuff like Just a Minute for Tories, don’t they?
Just a Minute? Blimey, is that still going? It was past its spike-by date 30 years ago.
The News Quiz used to be quite amusing, but has gone downhill.
Yepp, Just a Minute is currently on series number 84. F...... dire. Pretty much unlistenable.
Sorry, you think it's funny? Really? Perhaps you think BBC radio comedy is funny as well?
It’s an elegant piece of satire that quite pointedly defines the absurdity of their president and our monarchy. There are a few funnies within it. But, essentially, it’s just poking fun at what was a painfully fawning, pathetic, embarrassing couple of days.
Pathetic and embarrassing? When Trump has had visits to other nations too, and we don't look down on them I am sure, because what a sad thing to do that would be.
Maybe you should take your own advice and get over yourself, and stop feeling sorry for yourself on behalf of the nation because an arsehole politician is given a state visit because of the office he unfortunately holds. Oh, what horrors. And the media cover it too? I fear I may collapse from the shame.
I'm happy to just laugh at the man, frankly.
I don’t see anything to commend a ‘state visit’ and would prefer that we didn’t have a state-funded monarchy that we pay to boost the already overinflated egos of morons like Trump. The entire miserable spectacle spoke to entitlement, rather than a society based on hard work and talent. One born-in silver-spooner licking the backside of another.
You know visits like this happen in places without monarchies, right? The idea as a nation we should feel shame for such things, particularly as you seem to think it a unique level shame, is just dumb when you frame it as speaking to our society somehow. And your advice for others to get over themselves is looking more and more hilarious given the chip on your shoulder on this topic.
Just ignore it - I've not followed a single aspect of it, other than running commentary from people, usually you, asking about it on PB. Why let Trump get to you so much? He was here, hands were shaken for diplomatic nicities, and then he's gone. As horrible as he is there are far worse in the world.
“Trump dealt with the aspects of the visit that were beyond his skillset by returning to areas firmly within it. In Westminster Abbey, he was shown a white marble slab commemorating the Romantic poet Lord Byron, and took the opportunity to ask what stone the flooring was made from.”
Have you ever seen the Cosmati Floor?
Anyone would ask about the stone - it’s very striking
Apparently Raab crashed and burned at the One Nation hustings tonight .
I’m beginning to wonder whether he’s a plant for Bozo . He’s making him look sane and sensible .
Way out of his depth I have always thought.
All the personality of a cardboard cut-out. To proceed with Brexit as he has said he would, he would need a lot of charisma to take people with him. He has none.
Honestly, I just don't get why he is anywhere near a ministerial position never mind PM.
We won't know what the true odds should have been till the results are in tommorow night, but there's enough there for me to have had a small bet against the Brexit party at 1.19.
Labour were 1.22/UKIP 5.10 in Oldham West and Royton, which was crazily wrong with hindsight; Lab should have been 1.02 and UKIP 51+
"The first by-election of this parliament is in a traditionally safe Labour seat but Neil Monnery isn't convinced it is the best setting for the politics of Jeremy Corbyn."
"The talk on the ground has been that Labour are in trouble but would have enough to hold on for quite a while. It would be a lot closer than the talking heads were predicting but they would get over the line. The Paris attacks on Friday night though coupled with Jeremy Corbyn's response has opened the door for UKIP."
Recommended Bet Back UKIP to win the Oldham West & Royton by-election at 5.10 on the Betfair Exchange.
Yes it is going to be Boris. Since I don't wish for disaster I will hope he will do better than I think, but his cocky, flippant approach to everything, concerns dismissed with faux-churchillan guff, will ensure a very bitter reaction to him if he does not deliver. Sure, he has charisma others lack, but if that charisma is not eventually backed up by something he may find a very vitrolic response from those he idly promised so many things.
Haven't seen any linked clips of Rory talking to people - is he taking a day off, given up, or actually doing the day job?
There was a report earlier that he's switched to talking to Tory MPs, in the hope of getting enough backing to continue. It's no doubt a forlorn hope, but he's carved out a niche, raised his profile, and has put down a marker for the future. I think it has been a very creditable effort.
Curious. But there is a chance, which is actually a shame, as we've been promises he will face a challenge if Labour lose, and we may as well get all the parties undertaking leadership contests, it's just efficient.
Yes it is going to be Boris. Since I don't wish for disaster I will hope he will do better than I think, but his cocky, flippant approach to everything, concerns dismissed with faux-churchillan guff, will ensure a very bitter reaction to him if he does not deliver. Sure, he has charisma others lack, but if that charisma is not eventually backed up by something he may find a very vitrolic response from those he idly promised so many things.
And how will he do at PMQs? Not sure his flagrant disregard for details, will serve him well, even against someone as poor as Corbyn.
“Trump dealt with the aspects of the visit that were beyond his skillset by returning to areas firmly within it. In Westminster Abbey, he was shown a white marble slab commemorating the Romantic poet Lord Byron, and took the opportunity to ask what stone the flooring was made from.”
Have you ever seen the Cosmati Floor?
Anyone would ask about the stone - it’s very striking
I wouldn't. But then I'm more interested in Byron than flooring. Weird isn't it? .
Sorry, you think it's funny? Really? Perhaps you think BBC radio comedy is funny as well?
Bits are. The Now Show is patchy, but always has some good moments. I’ve started to like Night Terrace, a total Hitchhikers rip-off Aussie style. Archival stuff often excellent.
The Now Show is absolutely painful. I sometimes hear a few minutes of it whilst waiting for the news. It's excruciating, and they obviously realise how awful it is because they try to cover up the dullness with noise.
Of course the archival stuff is different.
The Now Show is not as good as it was five years ago, but Dead Ringers is better - though they will suffer if Boris becomes PM because they do everyone else better.
Curious. But there is a chance, which is actually a shame, as we've been promises he will face a challenge if Labour lose, and we may as well get all the parties undertaking leadership contests, it's just efficient.
There wouldn't have been a leadership contest anyway, it was very unlikely regardless of the result. Labour members are quite stubborn on the leadership question at the moment and even some of those MPs who oppose Corbyn are much more realistic on the subject. David Blunkett who I'm sure isn't a fan wrote an article the other day saying how there won't be a change in leadership, he is not saying that because he wants it to be true.
Curious. But there is a chance, which is actually a shame, as we've been promises he will face a challenge if Labour lose, and we may as well get all the parties undertaking leadership contests, it's just efficient.
I assumed it was tomorrow, as today is a Wednesday?
Sorry, you think it's funny? Really? Perhaps you think BBC radio comedy is funny as well?
Bits are. The Now Show is patchy, but always has some good moments. I’ve started to like Night Terrace, a total Hitchhikers rip-off Aussie style. Archival stuff often excellent.
The Now Show is absolutely painful. I sometimes hear a few minutes of it whilst waiting for the news. It's excruciating, and they obviously realise how awful it is because they try to cover up the dullness with noise.
Of course the archival stuff is different.
The Now Show is not as good as it was five years ago, but Dead Ringers is better - though they will suffer if Boris becomes PM because they do everyone else better.
Yes. Jan Ravens must be the only person in the country who was willing Theresa to stay on.
Just for fun, who from the Corbyn central team would Kier Starmer keep if he managed to oust the Glorious Leader?
I can't see him keeping many
Depends what he was hoping to do and how he manages to oust him...
If the membership stayed the same and still liked Corbyn then presumably he would keep quite a few of them around to not annoy the membership any more than needed. Making his ideal cabinet with no other considerations is a different matter....
Curious. But there is a chance, which is actually a shame, as we've been promises he will face a challenge if Labour lose, and we may as well get all the parties undertaking leadership contests, it's just efficient.
I assumed it was tomorrow, as today is a Wednesday?
Yes, hence his tweet being so curious. I just meant if it proved prophetic there is some reason behind the event
“Trump dealt with the aspects of the visit that were beyond his skillset by returning to areas firmly within it. In Westminster Abbey, he was shown a white marble slab commemorating the Romantic poet Lord Byron, and took the opportunity to ask what stone the flooring was made from.”
Have you ever seen the Cosmati Floor?
Anyone would ask about the stone - it’s very striking
I wouldn't. But then I'm more interested in Byron than flooring. Weird isn't it? .
A low turnout in Peterborough would probably be good for Labour.
Only if the low turnout was from their core vote. Which I don't think is guaranteed.
They will feel bruised by having their previous MP kicked out of office They will feel bruised by the Euro result They will feel bruised by the press coverage of the candidate and her links to very unsavoury postings
Sure, the Momentum party within a party will feel motivated to support JC no matter what. But that isn't enough.
I think TBP voters might be more motivated to try to continue the surge from 2 weeks ago
Curious. But there is a chance, which is actually a shame, as we've been promises he will face a challenge if Labour lose, and we may as well get all the parties undertaking leadership contests, it's just efficient.
There wouldn't have been a leadership contest anyway, it was very unlikely regardless of the result. Labour members are quite stubborn on the leadership question at the moment and even some of those MPs who oppose Corbyn are much more realistic on the subject. David Blunkett who I'm sure isn't a fan wrote an article the other day saying how there won't be a change in leadership, he is not saying that because he wants it to be true.
I believe you, I just wish if so many mps even now think Corbyn is the problem then they should act even if to be defeated.
Curious. But there is a chance, which is actually a shame, as we've been promises he will face a challenge if Labour lose, and we may as well get all the parties undertaking leadership contests, it's just efficient.
I assumed it was tomorrow, as today is a Wednesday?
Yes, hence his tweet being so curious. I just meant if it proved prophetic there is some reason behind the event
Interesting to see the comments underneath. Apparently it is students voting both in person and by post, which is impossible. From Peterborough University, which doesn't exist. Brexit facts.
Ah the joys of clumsy expectations management on behalf of the party you oppose...
Since when have byelections been held on Wednesdays? Is there a special reason for it?
The point I was making was that the way to make this worse for Labour is to suggest that they have already won it, thus reducing enthusiasm to actually turn out to vote - which makes it harder for Labour to retain the seat.
This has nothing to do with the result and everything to do with someone trying to mess with Labour voters before the polls open.
I haven’t seen what campaign leaflets Labour have put out for Peterborough so not sure what’s been their central message .
As a Labour Remainer if I lived there I’d be thinking twice about voting Lib Dem or Green . As much as I want Corbyn to get the message the thought of Farage all over the news and peddling his no deal garbage might keep me in the Labour camp .
Although the BP are strong favourites Labour did get 48% of the vote there in 2017.
It’s amazing that we’ve not had a single poll from there .
Reportedly the local Tory and Labour parties worked hard to encourage 25% of the electorate to sign the recall petition. I would guess that 25% would make up the bulk of the by-election turnout. So it follows that the local party machines would have some good information to help with getting the vote out.
I think Labour are quite well-placed, but then Corbyn's record in by-elections is nearly as bad as Farage's.
Ah the joys of clumsy expectations management on behalf of the party you oppose...
Since when have byelections been held on Wednesdays? Is there a special reason for it?
The point I was making was that the way to make this worse for Labour is to suggest that they have already won it, thus reducing enthusiasm to actually turn out to vote - which makes it harder for Labour to retain the seat.
This has nothing to do with the result and everything to do with someone trying to mess with Labour voters before the polls open.
Curious. But there is a chance, which is actually a shame, as we've been promises he will face a challenge if Labour lose, and we may as well get all the parties undertaking leadership contests, it's just efficient.
I assumed it was tomorrow, as today is a Wednesday?
Yes, hence his tweet being so curious. I just meant if it proved prophetic there is some reason behind the event
Interesting to see the comments underneath. Apparently it is students voting both in person and by post, which is impossible. From Peterborough University, which doesn't exist. Brexit facts.
Anglia Ruskin has a campus in Peterborough, I believe.
Ah the joys of clumsy expectations management on behalf of the party you oppose...
Since when have byelections been held on Wednesdays? Is there a special reason for it?
The point I was making was that the way to make this worse for Labour is to suggest that they have already won it, thus reducing enthusiasm to actually turn out to vote - which makes it harder for Labour to retain the seat.
This has nothing to do with the result and everything to do with someone trying to mess with Labour voters before the polls open.
Is it on Wednesday because Thursday is D-Day?
Where is everyone getting the idea that the voting took place on Wednesday?
Ah the joys of clumsy expectations management on behalf of the party you oppose...
Since when have byelections been held on Wednesdays? Is there a special reason for it?
The point I was making was that the way to make this worse for Labour is to suggest that they have already won it, thus reducing enthusiasm to actually turn out to vote - which makes it harder for Labour to retain the seat.
This has nothing to do with the result and everything to do with someone trying to mess with Labour voters before the polls open.
Is it on Wednesday because Thursday is D-Day?
Where is everyone getting the idea that the voting took place on Wednesday?
Ah the joys of clumsy expectations management on behalf of the party you oppose...
Since when have byelections been held on Wednesdays? Is there a special reason for it?
The point I was making was that the way to make this worse for Labour is to suggest that they have already won it, thus reducing enthusiasm to actually turn out to vote - which makes it harder for Labour to retain the seat.
This has nothing to do with the result and everything to do with someone trying to mess with Labour voters before the polls open.
Is it on Wednesday because Thursday is D-Day?
Where is everyone getting the idea that the voting took place on Wednesday?
Ah the joys of clumsy expectations management on behalf of the party you oppose...
Since when have byelections been held on Wednesdays? Is there a special reason for it?
The point I was making was that the way to make this worse for Labour is to suggest that they have already won it, thus reducing enthusiasm to actually turn out to vote - which makes it harder for Labour to retain the seat.
This has nothing to do with the result and everything to do with someone trying to mess with Labour voters before the polls open.
Is it on Wednesday because Thursday is D-Day?
Where is everyone getting the idea that the voting took place on Wednesday?
I thought that was obvious when I posted it but clearly not... My sarcasm needs some work.
Partly my fault. I checked the date of election and got 6th. I had not noticed the clock had crept past the midnight hour, so assumed that meant Wednesday (as in yesterday etc etc).
Curious. But there is a chance, which is actually a shame, as we've been promises he will face a challenge if Labour lose, and we may as well get all the parties undertaking leadership contests, it's just efficient.
I assumed it was tomorrow, as today is a Wednesday?
Yes, hence his tweet being so curious. I just meant if it proved prophetic there is some reason behind the event
Interesting to see the comments underneath. Apparently it is students voting both in person and by post, which is impossible. From Peterborough University, which doesn't exist. Brexit facts.
Anglia Ruskin has a campus in Peterborough, I believe.
With fewer than 1000 students. My point was that it is an insight into people's knee jerk prejudices. If TBP lose it will be "bloody students" cheating , as if their votes aren't worth anyone else's, even if there aren't many of them. If they do win it will be ignorant, thick provincial racists, also cheating somehow. Both sides are at it. The quicker we realise this the better.
Ah the joys of clumsy expectations management on behalf of the party you oppose...
Since when have byelections been held on Wednesdays? Is there a special reason for it?
The point I was making was that the way to make this worse for Labour is to suggest that they have already won it, thus reducing enthusiasm to actually turn out to vote - which makes it harder for Labour to retain the seat.
This has nothing to do with the result and everything to do with someone trying to mess with Labour voters before the polls open.
How many Daily Mail reading Labour voters in Peterborough could there be ?
Reportedly the local Tory and Labour parties worked hard to encourage 25% of the electorate to sign the recall petition. I would guess that 25% would make up the bulk of the by-election turnout. So it follows that the local party machines would have some good information to help with getting the vote out.
I think Labour are quite well-placed, but then Corbyn's record in by-elections is nearly as bad as Farage's.
He's had some good and bad by-elections. Oldham West and Royton was an absolubte triumph. Copeland a disaster.
“Trump dealt with the aspects of the visit that were beyond his skillset by returning to areas firmly within it. In Westminster Abbey, he was shown a white marble slab commemorating the Romantic poet Lord Byron, and took the opportunity to ask what stone the flooring was made from.”
Have you ever seen the Cosmati Floor?
Anyone would ask about the stone - it’s very striking
Thanks for mentioning it by name. It's fascinating.
I haven’t seen what campaign leaflets Labour have put out for Peterborough so not sure what’s been their central message .
As a Labour Remainer if I lived there I’d be thinking twice about voting Lib Dem or Green . As much as I want Corbyn to get the message the thought of Farage all over the news and peddling his no deal garbage might keep me in the Labour camp .
Although the BP are strong favourites Labour did get 48% of the vote there in 2017.
It’s amazing that we’ve not had a single poll from there .
We do know the European elections result though was Brexit Party 38%, Labour 17%, LDs 15% and Tories 11%.
I think it will be more a question of whether the LDs can beat Labour for second than whether the Brexit Party win it, with the Tories trailing in 4th. If Labour do win it will because of good GOTV and Bristow for the Tories doing better than expected and thus splitting the Leave vote when the Brexit Party needs it largely united behind them
“Trump dealt with the aspects of the visit that were beyond his skillset by returning to areas firmly within it. In Westminster Abbey, he was shown a white marble slab commemorating the Romantic poet Lord Byron, and took the opportunity to ask what stone the flooring was made from.”
Have you ever seen the Cosmati Floor?
Anyone would ask about the stone - it’s very striking
I wouldn't. But then I'm more interested in Byron than flooring. Weird isn't it? .
Ah the joys of clumsy expectations management on behalf of the party you oppose...
Since when have byelections been held on Wednesdays? Is there a special reason for it?
The point I was making was that the way to make this worse for Labour is to suggest that they have already won it, thus reducing enthusiasm to actually turn out to vote - which makes it harder for Labour to retain the seat.
This has nothing to do with the result and everything to do with someone trying to mess with Labour voters before the polls open.
How many Daily Mail reading Labour voters in Peterborough could there be ?
If Labour lose by 5 votes then I know who to blame...
Reportedly the local Tory and Labour parties worked hard to encourage 25% of the electorate to sign the recall petition. I would guess that 25% would make up the bulk of the by-election turnout. So it follows that the local party machines would have some good information to help with getting the vote out.
I think Labour are quite well-placed, but then Corbyn's record in by-elections is nearly as bad as Farage's.
He's had some good and bad by-elections. Oldham West and Royton was an absolubte triumph. Copeland a disaster.
I haven’t seen what campaign leaflets Labour have put out for Peterborough so not sure what’s been their central message .
As a Labour Remainer if I lived there I’d be thinking twice about voting Lib Dem or Green . As much as I want Corbyn to get the message the thought of Farage all over the news and peddling his no deal garbage might keep me in the Labour camp .
Although the BP are strong favourites Labour did get 48% of the vote there in 2017.
It’s amazing that we’ve not had a single poll from there .
We do know the European elections result though was Brexit Party 38%, Labour 17%, LDs 15% and Tories 11%.
I think it will be more a question of whether the LDs can beat Labour for second than whether the Brexit Party win it, with the Tories trailing in 4th. If Labour do win it will because of good GOTV and Bristow for the Tories doing better than expected and thus splitting the Leave vote when the Brexit Party needs it largely united behind them
The Lib Dems only got 3% in 2017 compared to Labours 48% . If Labour get beaten into third by them that would be an absolute shocker .
“Trump dealt with the aspects of the visit that were beyond his skillset by returning to areas firmly within it. In Westminster Abbey, he was shown a white marble slab commemorating the Romantic poet Lord Byron, and took the opportunity to ask what stone the flooring was made from.”
Have you ever seen the Cosmati Floor?
Anyone would ask about the stone - it’s very striking
I wouldn't. But then I'm more interested in Byron than flooring. Weird isn't it? .
That is nice, yes. I have a father who worked in construction and loved to point out a nice Flemish bond or a cheeky bit of pointing so maybe I should check my prejudices...
I haven’t seen what campaign leaflets Labour have put out for Peterborough so not sure what’s been their central message .
As a Labour Remainer if I lived there I’d be thinking twice about voting Lib Dem or Green . As much as I want Corbyn to get the message the thought of Farage all over the news and peddling his no deal garbage might keep me in the Labour camp .
Although the BP are strong favourites Labour did get 48% of the vote there in 2017.
It’s amazing that we’ve not had a single poll from there .
We do know the European elections result though was Brexit Party 38%, Labour 17%, LDs 15% and Tories 11%.
I think it will be more a question of whether the LDs can beat Labour for second than whether the Brexit Party win it, with the Tories trailing in 4th. If Labour do win it will because of good GOTV and Bristow for the Tories doing better than expected and thus splitting the Leave vote when the Brexit Party needs it largely united behind them
That European election result is for the whole council. Hanretty estimated the breakdown for the Peterborough constituency, which is better for Labour;
“Trump dealt with the aspects of the visit that were beyond his skillset by returning to areas firmly within it. In Westminster Abbey, he was shown a white marble slab commemorating the Romantic poet Lord Byron, and took the opportunity to ask what stone the flooring was made from.”
Have you ever seen the Cosmati Floor?
Anyone would ask about the stone - it’s very striking
I wouldn't. But then I'm more interested in Byron than flooring. Weird isn't it? .
That is nice, yes. I have a father who worked in construction and loved to point out a nice Flemish bond or a cheeky bit of pointing so maybe I should check my prejudices...
Maybe Trump was being gauche. May be he wasn’t. My approach is to give people the benefit of the doubt
Rory Stewart says he left the Labour party because of a "surreal gap between the way they talked about the world and the way things were on the ground". I think he joined the wrong party if he wanted to get away from that.
I haven’t seen what campaign leaflets Labour have put out for Peterborough so not sure what’s been their central message .
As a Labour Remainer if I lived there I’d be thinking twice about voting Lib Dem or Green . As much as I want Corbyn to get the message the thought of Farage all over the news and peddling his no deal garbage might keep me in the Labour camp .
Although the BP are strong favourites Labour did get 48% of the vote there in 2017.
It’s amazing that we’ve not had a single poll from there .
We do know the European elections result though was Brexit Party 38%, Labour 17%, LDs 15% and Tories 11%.
I think it will be more a question of whether the LDs can beat Labour for second than whether the Brexit Party win it, with the Tories trailing in 4th. If Labour do win it will because of good GOTV and Bristow for the Tories doing better than expected and thus splitting the Leave vote when the Brexit Party needs it largely united behind them
That European election result is for the whole council. Hanretty estimated the breakdown for the Peterborough constituency, which is better for Labour;
Rory Stewart says he left the Labour party because of a "surreal gap between the way they talked about the world and the way things were on the ground". I think he joined the wrong party if he wanted to get away from that.
I didn't have a clue he'd ever been in Labour. Interesting.
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I suppose if it is a very low turnout Labour could scrape home if they get their vote out but I think the mood will be for a Brexit Party protest vote of those who do turn out
Eli is one of them wrong uns I guess, Megan will set him straight.
Given how much the Tory vote is down at the moment, I doubt they'd be confident of holding it even with a new candidate, if the election occurs.
Social Democrats 25.93. (26.3 in 2015) - 48 seats (+1)
Denmark's Liberal Party 23.39 (19.5) - 43 seats (+9)
Danish People's Party 8.73 (21.1) - 16 seats (-21)
Danish Social Liberal Party 8.62 (4.6) - 16 seats (+8)
Socialist People's Party 7.71 (4.2) -14 seats (+7)
Red Green Alliance 6.93 (7.8). -13 seats (-1)
Conservative People's Party 6.61 (3.4) - 12 seats (+6)
The Alternative 2.95 (4.8) - 5 seats (-4)
The New Right 2.35 - 4 seats (+4)
Liberal Alliance 2.33 (7.5) - 4 seats (-9)
Hard Line 1.79 - 0 seats
Christian Democrats 1.73 (0.8). - 0 seats
Of course the archival stuff is different.
Am also prepared to be laughed at, but I make chances for a win at.
TBP 70%
Lab 25%
Somebody else 5%.
Which makes a few quid on all Labour, LDs and Cons value for me.
With help.
Maybe you should take your own advice and get over yourself, and stop feeling sorry for yourself on behalf of the nation because an arsehole politician is given a state visit because of the office he unfortunately holds. Oh, what horrors. And the media cover it too? I fear I may collapse from the shame.
I'm happy to just laugh at the man, frankly.
There is a place in social and political history waiting for the first party leader to grab this problem by the neck and sort it for generations to come:
https://twitter.com/AllieRenison/status/1136365935323992064
Actually I think MPs can if they want to VONC a deputy leader (or something similar) but that isn't happening anyway.
I’m beginning to wonder whether he’s a plant for Bozo . He’s making him look sane and sensible .
I don’t see anything to commend a ‘state visit’ and would prefer that we didn’t have a state-funded monarchy that we pay to boost the already overinflated egos of morons like Trump. The entire miserable spectacle spoke to entitlement, rather than a society based on hard work and talent. One born-in silver-spooner licking the backside of another.
Way out of his depth I have always thought.
The News Quiz used to be quite amusing, but has gone downhill.
Boris at 1.85 tonight
Just ignore it - I've not followed a single aspect of it, other than running commentary from people, usually you, asking about it on PB. Why let Trump get to you so much? He was here, hands were shaken for diplomatic nicities, and then he's gone. As horrible as he is there are far worse in the world.
Anyone would ask about the stone - it’s very striking
Labour were 1.22/UKIP 5.10 in Oldham West and Royton, which was crazily wrong with hindsight; Lab should have been 1.02 and UKIP 51+
https://betting.betfair.com/politics/uk-politics/oldham-west-royton-by-election-betting-odds-tips-3-december-2015-181115-136.html
"The first by-election of this parliament is in a traditionally safe Labour seat but Neil Monnery isn't convinced it is the best setting for the politics of Jeremy Corbyn."
"The talk on the ground has been that Labour are in trouble but would have enough to hold on for quite a while. It would be a lot closer than the talking heads were predicting but they would get over the line. The Paris attacks on Friday night though coupled with Jeremy Corbyn's response has opened the door for UKIP."
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https://www.Twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1136396986939248640
Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) Tweeted:
Look forward to seeing you to continue challenge and conversation 6.30pm tonight
Pennine Place, 2a Charing Cross Rd, London, WC2H 0HF #RoryWalks https://t.co/IAiZALaCok https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1136299878190071811?s=17
I can't see him keeping many
If the membership stayed the same and still liked Corbyn then presumably he would keep quite a few of them around to not annoy the membership any more than needed. Making his ideal cabinet with no other considerations is a different matter....
They will feel bruised by having their previous MP kicked out of office
They will feel bruised by the Euro result
They will feel bruised by the press coverage of the candidate and her links to very unsavoury postings
Sure, the Momentum party within a party will feel motivated to support JC no matter what. But that isn't enough.
I think TBP voters might be more motivated to try to continue the surge from 2 weeks ago
Since when have byelections been held on Wednesdays? Is there a special reason for it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48520176
This has nothing to do with the result and everything to do with someone trying to mess with Labour voters before the polls open.
As a Labour Remainer if I lived there I’d be thinking twice about voting Lib Dem or Green . As much as I want Corbyn to get the message the thought of Farage all over the news and peddling his no deal garbage might keep me in the Labour camp .
Although the BP are strong favourites Labour did get 48% of the vote there in 2017.
It’s amazing that we’ve not had a single poll from there .
I think Labour are quite well-placed, but then Corbyn's record in by-elections is nearly as bad as Farage's.
It has always been scheduled for 6th June -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Peterborough_by-election
Pierce is just playing with people
Both sides are at it. The quicker we realise this the better.
And arch rival for the leadership...
https://www.westminster-abbey.org/about-the-abbey/history/cosmati-pavement
I think it will be more a question of whether the LDs can beat Labour for second than whether the Brexit Party win it, with the Tories trailing in 4th. If Labour do win it will because of good GOTV and Bristow for the Tories doing better than expected and thus splitting the Leave vote when the Brexit Party needs it largely united behind them
But this is special
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmati
https://www.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/1134059323582287873
BRX 31%
Lab 29%
Con 17%
LD 15%
UKIP 3%
Green 2%
Others 3%
Turnout 34%
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678
If that 10% for the Greens moves LD and they squeeze Labour Remainers the LDs could snatch second place
http://britainelects.com/2019/06/05/previews-06-jun-2019/