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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    A pity James Cleverly has dropped out of the Tory leadership race as he was one of the more able candidates but in the end he was realistic about his chances
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Nigelb said:

    The deep mystery of the Andrea Leadsom odds remains.

    Presumably all the layers are worried that someone else knows something.
    Like an onion, once you take away all the layers, there's nothing there.
    Looking at Betfair, some £20k was matched on Cleverley. Some people have a lot of money to waste/gamble.
    Could be the same money over and over.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    Incredible. The Tory party is losing it completely. And this from one of its elder statesmen. Bonkers. It is like they are willing the end...
    Given in all the last 3 Westminster polls the Brexit Party lead the Tories you may not like Farage but he cannot be ignored
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,683
    Er, surely if it's No Deal no one needs to work with anyone: just sit back as the crash plays out before our eyes. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but the Tories don't have to go grovelling to Nigel just yet. At least retain a semblance of dignity for as long as you can.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884

    Off-topic:

    In other news, many of Boeing's 737 Max may have faulty wing parts:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48503610

    Worse, this also afflicts many of the old 737NG planes, that have not been grounded.

    Looks like things are Boeing badly....
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    The deep mystery of the Andrea Leadsom odds remains.

    Good, innit?

    The deep mystery of the Andrea Leadsom odds remains.

    Good, innit?
    What’s your exposure?
    She's now my third worst result behind Sir Graham Brady and Rory Stewart.

    Today seems to be the beginning of the end for the palookas, which is a shame because it has been nice while it lasted.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,710
    Nigelb said:

    148grss said:

    O/T

    This is somewhat terrifying. Good thing food prices aren't an indicator of violent unrest...

    https://twitter.com/New10_AgEcon/status/1133721493081329665

    https://twitter.com/kulmweatherman/status/1132991763164139521

    This is perhaps equally concerning:
    https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/no-sweet-spot-for-spore-in-us-china-tensions
    ...Last year, China consumed about US$155 billion worth of semiconductors, around 40 per cent of global consumption. But only 5 per cent to 6 per cent was produced in China. It is likely that a large percentage of what was made locally was by foreign manufacturers located in China but vulnerable to US restrictions.

    Globally, high-end chip design and manufacture is dominated by just three companies: Taiwan Semiconductor, Samsung and Intel. The last is an American company. The other two are from countries highly dependent on the US for their security....


    US/China conflict is slowly ratcheting up, and given the principals involved, mistakes could very easily happen.
    "Globally, high-end chip design and manufacture is dominated by just three companies: Taiwan Semiconductor, Samsung and Intel. The last is an American company. The other two are from countries highly dependent on the US for their security...."

    Hmmm. High-end chip manufacture (fabrication) is TSMC, Samsung and Intel; sure. They are the only three volume players at the cutting edge of fabrication now that GlobalFoundaries are abandoning the cutting-edge.

    However, in design they are not, and there are other big players, such as ARM, Apple, and AMD (all the A's).

    In addition, fabrication equipment is heavily reliant on other companies, such as ASML in the Netherlands. China not having access to ASML or other equivalent kit would very much hurt them. Likewise, the tools to design chips are vital, such as the offerings from Cadence.

    Chip design and fabrication is really an international trade. AIUI if the US manage to restrict western countries from trading in these areas with Chinese ones, then the Chinese fabs are well and truly f***ed.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Pulpstar said:

    viewcode said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Semenya wins appeal. Good for her, but the definition of female is going to be needed to be tightened up now. Y Chromosone = ineligible.

    I hate to point this out, but IIRC Caster Semenya has a Y chromosome (quite a few, in fact). What she doesn't have (and never has had) is a penis. Was it that that you were thinking of?
    I didn't actually realise she had a Y chromosone ! No, I'm specifically putting it that a Y chromosone should mean ineligibility for female track events.
    You’ve probably breached several of the latest -isms by posting that.

    But, I’ve lost track of what they all are.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Charles said:

    eek said:

    Charles said:



    It’s a 3 bedroom semi with a modest garden - it’s location (close to my daughter’s school) is why it has a silly valuation.

    So yes, the price would fall about 15% for every 1% of tax, and I’d have to move somewhere a lot further away (and probably move schools)

    I actually think a % tax rate is a reasonably sensible idea - provided it replaces other taxes - but needs to be phased in over quite a long period of time.

    The curious thing will be how do they handle differences in prices between regions. Round my neck of the woods a decent 4 bedroom house is £200,000 say, down in Buckinghamshire it would be £800,000 but both would currently be council band D and pay the same amount.
    And in super prime London it would be £7m...
    For a house in council tax band level D (so worth 68,001 - £88,000 in 1991)?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    I'm going to curse Dominic Raab for the rest of my life.

    A reliable source tells me 'What is happening is Raab is underwhelming MPs, he's actively scaring MPs, he comes across as a very cold fish, the true TIT (Theresa in trousers), and that's helping Boris.'
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,900

    Actually I think Corbyn's proposal of reintroducing the old Rates is not a bad one, although the transition to get there would be electorally brave. Also it should be a flat rate, not a percentage increasing with value, which is distorting.

    I do like the pretence that for rented property it would be owners not renters who pay it. I suppose that will fool some people.

    Trying to come up with a wholly fair method of funding local Government which doesn't surrender all control to central Government isn't easy. It falls because the nation isn't economically homogenous - there are, in relative terms and not surprisingly, rich bits and poor bits. Central Government comes in and helps out the poor bits with a bit of redistribution from central funding but in terms of funding local Government the disparity means some Councils get a big slice of grant and others have to be almost self-sufficient.

    I wonder if the answer to seeking a single form of local Government funding is not to try - could there not be different funding models and tax-raising models so you'd have an "urban" model based on denser population, a "suburban" model which brings some notion of property values into the equation and a "rural" model based on land values?

    Confusing? Maybe but it would be a recognition of where and how we were instead of some form of egalitarian one-size-fits-all model which creates huge anomalies and disparities.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited June 2019

    Er, surely if it's No Deal no one needs to work with anyone: just sit back as the crash plays out before our eyes. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but the Tories don't have to go grovelling to Nigel just yet. At least retain a semblance of dignity for as long as you can.
    Presumably John Redwood is suggesting that having failed to do a deal with Labour MPs, the government should approach the large group of Brexit Party MPs and get support in parliament from them.

    It's an innovative proposal, but I think there might be just a tiny little flaw..
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    The deep mystery of the Andrea Leadsom odds remains.

    Good, innit?

    The deep mystery of the Andrea Leadsom odds remains.

    Good, innit?
    What’s your exposure?
    She's now my third worst result behind Sir Graham Brady and Rory Stewart.

    Today seems to be the beginning of the end for the palookas, which is a shame because it has been nice while it lasted.
    That’s reassuring.

    I am heavily exposed on Stewart and Leadsom too, in part because I was trying to clawback on Boris.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    Trump hates Khan
    Jacob hates Khan
    Trump likes Farage
    Redwood likes Farage
    See Jacob jump!
    See Redwood jump!

    Trump likes Boris
    Jacob likes Boris
    Trump likes Boris
    Redwood likes Boris
    See Jacob jump!
    See Redwood jump!

    (Sung to the tune of Frere Jacque... :) )
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298

    rkrkrk said:

    It's initially electorally brave.
    But it should be possible to design the policy so that most people pay much less in council tax/housing tax. That should make it electorally popular in the longer term.

    The problem is that those getting a saving (probably a small saving in practice) won't be very grateful but the smaller number getting a massive hit will make a lot of noise. The papers will be full of horror stories of old ladies losing the homes they've lived in for 50 years etc etc. It's a really difficult thing to do - which is why we haven't even had what should be an uncontroversial updating of the council tax bands.
    True. It also may be particularly unpopular in Islington. If the tax can be deferred until sale then little old ladies won't lose their home, they'll just pass on less dosh. Nevertheless something like this has to happen at some point.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    HYUFD said:

    A pity James Cleverly has dropped out of the Tory leadership race as he was one of the more able candidates but in the end he was realistic about his chances

    Well he clearly didn’t belong in the race then.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    rkrkrk said:

    rkrkrk said:

    It's initially electorally brave.
    But it should be possible to design the policy so that most people pay much less in council tax/housing tax. That should make it electorally popular in the longer term.

    The problem is that those getting a saving (probably a small saving in practice) won't be very grateful but the smaller number getting a massive hit will make a lot of noise. The papers will be full of horror stories of old ladies losing the homes they've lived in for 50 years etc etc. It's a really difficult thing to do - which is why we haven't even had what should be an uncontroversial updating of the council tax bands.
    True. It also may be particularly unpopular in Islington. If the tax can be deferred until sale then little old ladies won't lose their home, they'll just pass on less dosh. Nevertheless something like this has to happen at some point.
    If I lived in Islington, I'd cross the Lib Dem box in blood at the next election.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited June 2019
    So he is a former 'business partner' of a company which let British steel go into administration - so its his fault British steel went into administration?

    Some people might think a self made man of a single mother who became a multi millionaire who wants to represent his home town in parliament (despite all the rubbish which would no doubt be thrown at him) when he could have an easier life enjoying his said millions might be someone worth celebrating.

    Yes sometimes businesses fail but its risk takers like Mike Greene who create wealth and provide the taxes to fund public services. Obviously something FT journalists don't quite get?

    Still as the saying goes you know when you are winning when they start getting personal.....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    I'm going to curse Dominic Raab for the rest of my life.

    A reliable source tells me 'What is happening is Raab is underwhelming MPs, he's actively scaring MPs, he comes across as a very cold fish, the true TIT (Theresa in trousers), and that's helping Boris.'

    Early days but it looks like Hunt, Gove and Johnson in this race to me. Raab might gobble up the McVey, Baker, and Leadsom support but he won’t go any further.

    And Hancock and the Saj just haven’t got enough momentum.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    I'm going to curse Dominic Raab for the rest of my life.

    A reliable source tells me 'What is happening is Raab is underwhelming MPs, he's actively scaring MPs, he comes across as a very cold fish, the true TIT (Theresa in trousers), and that's helping Boris.'

    Early days but it looks like Hunt, Gove and Johnson in this race to me. Raab might gobble up the McVey, Baker, and Leadsom support but he won’t go any further.

    And Hancock and the Saj just haven’t got enough momentum.
    At the moment I am backing candidates I expect to make it to the first round at least, which is as far down the list as Hancock.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    I have to say that I am not at all impressed with TM decision to prolong her resignation as leader until the 7th June. I have been loyal to her, and consider her deal as the best on offer, but that does not mean I cannot have a go at this delay which serves no purpose but creates the space for every man/woman and their dog to stand for leader and then PM

    She made the right decision to continue as interim PM awaiting the election of her successor but the last two weeks have been painful to watch as she became irrelevant and yesterdays story

    We could have been into the leadership election already and for that I do criticise her unreservedly

    May remains PM mid July, she just ceases being Tory leader on Friday, perhaps in hope that the rise of the Brexit Party and the threat of PM Boris and No Deal could yet win round enough Labour MPs from Leave seats to put her Withdrawal Agreement forward again and get a legacy
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Leadsom out to 16s immediately.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Er, surely if it's No Deal no one needs to work with anyone: just sit back as the crash plays out before our eyes. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but the Tories don't have to go grovelling to Nigel just yet. At least retain a semblance of dignity for as long as you can.
    Presumably John Redwood is suggesting that having failed to do a deal with Labour MPs, the government should approach the large group of Brexit Party MPs and get support in parliament from them.

    It's an innovative proposal, but I think there might be just a tiny little flaw..
    If we could just get a few dozen more Labour MPs jailed for perverting the course of justice, then the plan might work.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    The Leadsom backer looks like they're cracking !
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Is Greybull serially inept or is something ungood happening?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,798
    Dura_Ace said:

    Charles said:



    To give you some counter stats.

    In the late 90s I was fortunate to buy my first flat with a chunky mortgage. I have made a couple of moves but have always lived in my flat and owned no other property in the U.K.

    With some help from my Dad I bought my last house for about £4.5m (I can feel the sympathy already). Virtually all of the equity I put in was paper gains on previous properties.

    Assuming a 1% tax I would be charged almost half my post-tax income in new taxes. That simply isn’t affordable.

    This illustrates how good Corbyn's proposal is.

    Exactly. If your £4mn in equity had come from your hard work or even via capital gains on another asset you'd have already been taxed on it. A proper wealth or land tax is long overdue, and there are of course deferral oprions (or equity release provided by the private sector) to make sure you or the proverbial little old lady are not out on your ear.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    brendan16 said:

    So he is a former 'business partner' of a company which let British steel go into administration - so its his fault British steel went into administration?

    Some people might think a self made man of a single mother who became a multi millionaire who wants to represent his home town in parliament (despite all the rubbish which would no doubt be thrown at him) when he could have an easier life enjoying his said millions might be someone worth celebrating.

    Yes sometimes businesses fail but its risk takers like Mike Greene who create wealth and provide the taxes to fund public services. Obviously something FT journalists don't quite get?

    Still as the saying goes you know when you are winning when they start getting personal.....
    If Mike Greene has created wealth as you say, then it would be a good idea to point to the wealth he has created. Whilst there is a place in the economy for asset strippers (somebody has to strip the meat off the corpse and make stew), they're not usually counted in the wealth creation bracket. Or have I misunderstood?
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Pulpstar said:

    The Leadsom backer looks like they're cracking !

    Yes, and very suddenly! Javid backers too, which seems a tad harsh.

    Rory Stewart remains a bit strong at 25-30...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Pulpstar said:

    Latest Italian poll...

    LEGA-ENF: 37% (+6)

    Looks like Italy is heading for PM Salvini
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679

    Is Greybull serially inept or is something ungood happening?
    The Chris Grayling of PICs.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617

    The deep mystery of the Andrea Leadsom odds remains.

    Good, innit?

    The deep mystery of the Andrea Leadsom odds remains.

    Good, innit?
    What’s your exposure?
    She's now my third worst result behind Sir Graham Brady and Rory Stewart.

    Today seems to be the beginning of the end for the palookas, which is a shame because it has been nice while it lasted.
    That’s reassuring.

    I am heavily exposed on Stewart and Leadsom too, in part because I was trying to clawback on Boris.
    Boris is going to win, at a canter.

    It is going to prove an epic fail for "the lay the leading Tory" mantra.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    HYUFD said:

    Incredible. The Tory party is losing it completely. And this from one of its elder statesmen. Bonkers. It is like they are willing the end...
    Given in all the last 3 Westminster polls the Brexit Party lead the Tories you may not like Farage but he cannot be ignored
    Since when did governing parties start inviting the opposition in as soon as they are ahead in the polls? You’re only saying that because you think he’s one of you, or perhaps more accurately, you’re one of them.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Is Greybull serially inept or is something ungood happening?
    The Chris Grayling of PICs.
    It wasn't a rhetorical question.

    Greybull's targets are all in deep trouble. So what if none of them continue to trade under the old names - the question is, what money has been made, what jobs saved? The answer is, we really don't know.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    brendan16 said:

    So he is a former 'business partner' of a company which let British steel go into administration - so its his fault British steel went into administration?

    Some people might think a self made man of a single mother who became a multi millionaire who wants to represent his home town in parliament (despite all the rubbish which would no doubt be thrown at him) when he could have an easier life enjoying his said millions might be someone worth celebrating.

    Yes sometimes businesses fail but its risk takers like Mike Greene who create wealth and provide the taxes to fund public services. Obviously something FT journalists don't quite get?

    Still as the saying goes you know when you are winning when they start getting personal.....
    Isn't the problem that Greybull are asset strippers who break up failing companies, and keep some of the lucrative parts? Vultures are an essential part of the ecosystem, but when they are following you then it is not a good sign. Capitalism raw in tooth and claw, better to not be on the receiving end!

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    HYUFD said:

    Incredible. The Tory party is losing it completely. And this from one of its elder statesmen. Bonkers. It is like they are willing the end...
    Given in all the last 3 Westminster polls the Brexit Party lead the Tories you may not like Farage but he cannot be ignored
    Since when did governing parties start inviting the opposition in as soon as they are ahead in the polls? You’re only saying that because you think he’s one of you, or perhaps more accurately, you’re one of them.
    I voted Tory in the European Parliament elections but most Tory members and 2017 Tory voters who voted voted Brexit Party, if Boris or Raab or McVey wins Farage may well be consulted on any Brexit renegotiation
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    The deep mystery of the Andrea Leadsom odds remains.

    Good, innit?

    The deep mystery of the Andrea Leadsom odds remains.

    Good, innit?
    What’s your exposure?
    She's now my third worst result behind Sir Graham Brady and Rory Stewart.

    Today seems to be the beginning of the end for the palookas, which is a shame because it has been nice while it lasted.
    That’s reassuring.

    I am heavily exposed on Stewart and Leadsom too, in part because I was trying to clawback on Boris.
    Boris is going to win, at a canter.

    It is going to prove an epic fail for "the lay the leading Tory" mantra.
    Indeed, laying the favourite is like collecting people's football pools for them and pocketing the money. It works a treat until it doesn't.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Latest Italian poll...

    LEGA-ENF: 37% (+6)

    Looks like Italy is heading for PM Salvini
    Most people would assume he already is - how many people can name the actual Italian PM?
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Pulpstar said:

    viewcode said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Semenya wins appeal. Good for her, but the definition of female is going to be needed to be tightened up now. Y Chromosone = ineligible.

    I hate to point this out, but IIRC Caster Semenya has a Y chromosome (quite a few, in fact). What she doesn't have (and never has had) is a penis. Was it that that you were thinking of?
    I didn't actually realise she had a Y chromosone ! No, I'm specifically putting it that a Y chromosone should mean ineligibility for female track events.
    Is that a Y chromosone in any single cell in the body? Some people have mosaicism/chimerism
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Ishmael_Z said:

    The deep mystery of the Andrea Leadsom odds remains.

    Good, innit?

    The deep mystery of the Andrea Leadsom odds remains.

    Good, innit?
    What’s your exposure?
    She's now my third worst result behind Sir Graham Brady and Rory Stewart.

    Today seems to be the beginning of the end for the palookas, which is a shame because it has been nice while it lasted.
    That’s reassuring.

    I am heavily exposed on Stewart and Leadsom too, in part because I was trying to clawback on Boris.
    Boris is going to win, at a canter.

    It is going to prove an epic fail for "the lay the leading Tory" mantra.
    Indeed, laying the favourite is like collecting people's football pools for them and pocketing the money. It works a treat until it doesn't.
    Indeed. The thing is that the favourite this time was the favourite last time, which hasn't been the case in the past.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Leadsom back to 9.6!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    So I go to a mosque for the first time in ages and vanilla starts working again!

    Coincidence?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    So I go to a mosque for the first time in ages and vanilla starts working again!

    Coincidence?

    Check..
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,710
    HYUFD said:
    Don't be a stupid fool. That's different, because...

    well, reasons.

    ;)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited June 2019
    SNIP
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Raab's price looks wrong, he must have more than a 4% chance I think.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    brendan16 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Latest Italian poll...

    LEGA-ENF: 37% (+6)

    Looks like Italy is heading for PM Salvini
    Most people would assume he already is - how many people can name the actual Italian PM?
    Conte, he is a technocrat caretaker for 5* and Lega
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    HYUFD said:
    Don't be a stupid fool. That's different, because...

    well, reasons.

    ;)
    Is he still fooled by the use of the word "Communist"?
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    edited June 2019

    So I go to a mosque for the first time in ages and vanilla starts working again!

    Coincidence?

    Pakistan won a cricket match as well.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Happy Eid, Vanilla is working again in'shallah.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited June 2019
    HYUFD said:
    You mean he is happy to meet a guy who has locked up 1 million Muslims in concentration camps for 're-education' but not a man who still allows 90% of the world's Muslims tourist visas for his country (i.e. the ones not from seven failed/hostile states on a list picked originally by Obama - some of which also have sizeable Christian populations who experience the same restrictions and the majority of which have the death penalty for gay people)?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679

    HYUFD said:
    Don't be a stupid fool. That's different, because...

    well, reasons.

    ;)
    Is he still fooled by the use of the word "Communist"?
    Is this a good time for that old discussion about Hitler being a leftie because the Nazis had socialist and workers in their party name?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Incredible. The Tory party is losing it completely. And this from one of its elder statesmen. Bonkers. It is like they are willing the end...
    Given in all the last 3 Westminster polls the Brexit Party lead the Tories you may not like Farage but he cannot be ignored
    Since when did governing parties start inviting the opposition in as soon as they are ahead in the polls? You’re only saying that because you think he’s one of you, or perhaps more accurately, you’re one of them.
    I voted Tory in the European Parliament elections but most Tory members and 2017 Tory voters who voted voted Brexit Party, if Boris or Raab or McVey wins Farage may well be consulted on any Brexit renegotiation
    Remember the song Trump used to recite during his campaign... Don’t complain when Farage bites you.

    “You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in”
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,710

    HYUFD said:
    Don't be a stupid fool. That's different, because...

    well, reasons.

    ;)
    Is he still fooled by the use of the word "Communist"?
    I find it hard to see how the Chinese government can be seen as 'Communist' , however they self-identify.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    matt said:




    So I go to a mosque for the first time in ages and vanilla starts working again!

    Coincidence?

    Pakistan won a cricket match as well.
    Yes, I was there, in my England replica kit.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    Pulpstar said:

    Happy Eid, Vanilla is working again in'shallah.

    You want to pay my Zakat?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,710

    HYUFD said:
    Don't be a stupid fool. That's different, because...

    well, reasons.

    ;)
    I hasten to add I was joking, and was not calling HYUFD a fool, stupid or otherwise.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Pulpstar said:

    Raab's price looks wrong, he must have more than a 4% chance I think.

    See the comment below - it turns out he is so wooden even MPs are looking for other options...
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Pulpstar said:

    Raab's price looks wrong, he must have more than a 4% chance I think.

    Raab has drifted wildly since his manifesto included sending small boys up chimneys.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Pulpstar said:

    Raab's price looks wrong, he must have more than a 4% chance I think.

    Yes, and Javid is too long as well - he's the alternative in the Hunt lane.

    The ones who are too short are Leadsom (still) and Rory Stewart, who should be about 500/1
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    The deep mystery of the Andrea Leadsom odds remains.

    The mother of all mysteries ?!?
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited June 2019
    HYUFD said:

    brendan16 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Latest Italian poll...

    LEGA-ENF: 37% (+6)

    Looks like Italy is heading for PM Salvini
    Most people would assume he already is - how many people can name the actual Italian PM?
    Conte, he is a technocrat caretaker for 5* and Lega
    Well done - but you are well informed! Most people would probably hink the five star movement is the fan club of the 1980s pop band from Romford.

    Still Conte may not be PM for much longer.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/italian-prime-minister-giuseppe-conte-threatens-to-resign-over-government-infighting/
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    Ishmael_Z said:
    For any Harry Potter fans it looks like Wormtail meeting Lord Voldemort. It would be funny if it were not so cringingly embarrassing.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Pulpstar said:

    Raab's price looks wrong, he must have more than a 4% chance I think.

    Raab has drifted wildly since his manifesto included sending small boys up chimneys.
    I don't care, he still is 4th in the endorsements with plenty of hardcore ERG in the undecided category. I'm not saying he's the likely winner and I'm not putting all my eggs in his basket. He should be > 4% chance to win though.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Would new defectors to the Lib Dems be eligible for the leadership?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    HYUFD said:
    Don't be a stupid fool. That's different, because...

    well, reasons.

    ;)
    Is he still fooled by the use of the word "Communist"?
    Man who looks like a Bear of Very Little Brain meets a Man of Very Very Little Brain
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    HYUFD said:
    Don't be a stupid fool. That's different, because...

    well, reasons.

    ;)
    Is he still fooled by the use of the word "Communist"?
    I find it hard to see how the Chinese government can be seen as 'Communist' , however they self-identify.
    We know Corbyn is a grade A* hypocrite.

    Eldest son said this morning: “Why could Corbyn make time to join this demo but not the one for a People’s Vote?”
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679

    Would new defectors to the Lib Dems be eligible for the leadership?

    Yes.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    #185787 matched on Leadsom.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    HYUFD said:
    Serial turncoat.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    I see Andy Murray is out of retirement - he is playing doubles at Queens in a couple of weeks with Deliciano Lopez.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/48497850

    First Widdecombe, then Murray - who will be the next to 'unretire'?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    If I lived in Islington, I'd cross the Lib Dem box in blood at the next election.

    LibDem blood .... oh what a lovely thread .... :naughty:
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Who has the perpetual boner for Andrea Leadsom?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    brendan16 said:

    First Widdecombe, then Murray - who will be the next to 'unretire'?

    May
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:
    Don't be a stupid fool. That's different, because...

    well, reasons.

    ;)
    Is he still fooled by the use of the word "Communist"?
    I find it hard to see how the Chinese government can be seen as 'Communist' , however they self-identify.
    We know Corbyn is a grade A* hypocrite.

    Eldest son said this morning: “Why could Corbyn make time to join this demo but not the one for a People’s Vote?”
    That the posturing is cost free ?

  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    felix said:
    Is that short for Turncoats Bereft of Principles?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Who has the perpetual boner for Andrea Leadsom?

    It needn't be perpetual, a quick Hancock Raab should sort you out.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    Scott_P said:

    brendan16 said:

    First Widdecombe, then Murray - who will be the next to 'unretire'?

    May
    Being serious, if there’s a snap election in Germany, Merkel could unretire and be the candidate for Chancellor for the CDU/CSU.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    HYUFD said:
    Don't be a stupid fool. That's different, because...

    well, reasons.

    ;)
    Is he still fooled by the use of the word "Communist"?
    I find it hard to see how the Chinese government can be seen as 'Communist' , however they self-identify.
    I hadn't linked it to the modern vogue for elevating subjectivity over objectivity, but it fits.

    What a mess.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238

    Had to go back to hospital today. Problems with my ileostomy. :/

    Good luck.

  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    edited June 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    viewcode said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Semenya wins appeal. Good for her, but the definition of female is going to be needed to be tightened up now. Y Chromosone = ineligible.

    I hate to point this out, but IIRC Caster Semenya has a Y chromosome (quite a few, in fact). What she doesn't have (and never has had) is a penis. Was it that that you were thinking of?
    I didn't actually realise she had a Y chromosone ! No, I'm specifically putting it that a Y chromosone should mean ineligibility for female track events.
    Then you know nothing about human genetics. Penty of women albeit a small proportion have a Y Chromosome. There are also men who have XX and XXY chromosomes.

  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    I'm going to curse Dominic Raab for the rest of my life.

    A reliable source tells me 'What is happening is Raab is underwhelming MPs, he's actively scaring MPs, he comes across as a very cold fish, the true TIT (Theresa in trousers), and that's helping Boris.'

    Early days but it looks like Hunt, Gove and Johnson in this race to me. Raab might gobble up the McVey, Baker, and Leadsom support but he won’t go any further.

    And Hancock and the Saj just haven’t got enough momentum.
    This Tory race is like a Masters leaderboard; only the big hitters will be left as we get to the back nine.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,683
    Sounds as if it's over for ChUK. I think everyone agreed that the chances of their lasting and making any impact were always remote. Nevertheless, the romantic in me always finds something strangely beautiful about that which shines spectacularly, for however short a time, before fading into nothingness.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    Perhaps mumsnet was about to endorse her - and pulled out before any damage was done?

    Still I like Andrea - hopefully Boris will give her a job this time round. If he had made the effort before Gove announced in 2016 she wouldn't have stood and Boris would probably have become PM.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    brendan16 said:

    felix said:
    Is that short for Turncoats Bereft of Principles?
    I think leaving either a) a party that has been taken over by swiveleyed nationalists or alternatively leaving b) a party that has been taken over by Marxists and anti-Semites is not lacking in principles.

    Unless you, of course, you are a swivel-eyed nationalist, and anti-Semite, a Marxist, or possible a mixture of all of these repugnant moronic philosophies.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Fenster said:

    I'm going to curse Dominic Raab for the rest of my life.

    A reliable source tells me 'What is happening is Raab is underwhelming MPs, he's actively scaring MPs, he comes across as a very cold fish, the true TIT (Theresa in trousers), and that's helping Boris.'

    Early days but it looks like Hunt, Gove and Johnson in this race to me. Raab might gobble up the McVey, Baker, and Leadsom support but he won’t go any further.

    And Hancock and the Saj just haven’t got enough momentum.
    This Tory race is like a Masters leaderboard; only the big hitters will be left as we get to the back nine.
    I've no idea what that means, but it sounds right!
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