> @crandles said: > So what's the timetable likely to be: > Immediately step down and Liddington becomes acting PM? > 12 weeks in all to go to con party members to have as much ligitimacy as possible to compensate as far as possible for lack of General election authority? > or .....
The usual course would be for Theresa May to announce her resignation as Con leader, thus triggering a leadership contest but for her to remain as Prime Minister until a successor is chosen.
Immediately step down and Liddington becomes acting PM?
12 weeks in all to go to con party members to have as much ligitimacy as possible to compensate as far as possible for lack of General election authority?
or .....
Oh please let that happen, I win a tidy little sum.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @crandles said: > > So what's the timetable likely to be: > > Immediately step down and Liddington becomes acting PM? > > 12 weeks in all to go to con party members to have as much ligitimacy as possible to compensate as far as possible for lack of General election authority? > > or ..... > > The usual course would be for Theresa May to announce her resignation as Con leader, thus triggering a leadership contest but for her to remain as Prime Minister until a successor is chosen.
In all seriousness, there is a big possibility now that we end up with two different mobile eco-systems, where China make all their own chips designs, modems, OS, ripped off from western IP, but all with separate standards.
If that was to be the case, wouldn't surprise me if they flood the developing world with it all and then you end up with the western brands only able to operate in the west and China standards ruling places Africa.
HYUFD maybe it's not a huge surprise but when the Conservatives start losing the support of people like Michael Heseltine, John Major and George Osborne you really really should sit up.
This is so so so reminiscent of Momentum's take over of Labour.
>> But, for example, it would be completely wrong to forbid children to take part in lessons where they learn about the existence of other religions (and atheism) and learn tolerance for those different practises. Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children.
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> Well that IS happening, as my example shows.
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> My girlfriend works at a non religious school that is closed in a fortnight for a day for Eid, because no one will turn up. Is that ok?
Islam is either already the largest religion in the UK or will overtake Anglicanism within less than five years. The 'White British' population is already below 50% in four towns,will drop below 50% in Birmingham by 2020, and will fall below 50% in the UK as a whole in 2060. People saying 'our country' have, with all due respect, completely missed the point.
The latest figures that I have seen is that the White British population will be 67% in 2051, with another 2.5% Irish and 10% white other, so the total BAME population including mixed heritage is about 20%. Like all projections it is subject to revision.
Your usage of "our country" is interesting. By 2051 the descendents of the Windrush generation will have been here a century. Will it ever be "our country" for them in your mind?
> @eek said: > > @Gallowgate said: > > ***Trainspotting Post*** > > > > Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London. > > > > Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year. > > > > Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door. > > > > > > All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots. > > > > > > I've done the Metro, two years back! But I think you're supposed to get some brand new trains within the next few years? > > > > Only about 10 years too late. We need more trains, new stations, and new lines. The scale of house building on Tyneside is insane but no investment at all in local transport. > > > > Plenty of money for London but none for the provinces. > > The purpose of the regional mayors was to provide a place for such conversations to take place and allow such schemes to be created. > > Down south of you, we have a mayor focusing on keeping the airport viable and improving links across the Tees Valley. Given the mess the councils South of the Tyne made by voting against a regional mayor I suspect the metro won't be expanded at any time in the future.
Would be ironic, and fitting, and good for me, if the Metro was extended north of the Tyne only. Meanwhile. Prudhoe to Newcastle is 12 miles. There are NO trains before 09:55 or after 21:23 on Sundays. It is therefore impossible to work either an early shift, or a late one in Toon, or at the Metro Centre. Unsurprisingly the roads and pollution suffer. Quality of trains is one thing. Their total absence is another matter.
> > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught.
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> People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax.
There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies.
Whereas I had to sit through them, bored out of my brains, then got a bollocking when I said that what there were banging on about was a load of rubbish. There's a clear answer: get rid of faith teaching in state schools. Given that most British people are not religious I don't see why this would even be that hard to enact, if the will was there.
There's something to be said for a modicum of boredom in education (the odd hour each week, though, not every lesson...). The realisation that figures of authority spout nonsense from time to time is also of some benefit. It doesn't appear to have done you any lasting harm.
Learning to tolerate boredom is a very useful life skill. Not everything that is important to do is always interesting. I am glad that shool continues to teach boredom, rather than trying to make everything fun and exciting.
The latest figures that I have seen is that the White British population will be 67% in 2051, with another 2.5% Irish and 10% white other, so the total BAME population including mixed heritage is about 20%. Like all projections it is subject to revision.
Your usage of "our country" is interesting. By 2051 the descendents of the Windrush generation will have been here a century. Will it ever be "our country" for them in your mind?
If "our" means British citizens, then it already is.
Do you disagree with what @Richard_Tyndall (I think, hard to tell with this FU'd comment system) said about our country?
"Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children."
Foxy, my reference to 'our' country was ironic. There's really no such thing. Of course we all need to respect the vets who fought to the death in two world wars. But they also fought alongside many Commonwealth citizens, whose graves I have frequently visited. They fought for freedoms and against fascism and extreme nationalism.
This has always been a mixed race nation, going back thousands of years. 'We ourselves' were seafaring and internationalist, conquering 1/3rd of the globe. And in many cases 'we' welcomed with open arms those from other countries.
Britain is mixed race. Always has been. Always will be. Chasing after some nostalgic white Anglo-Saxon identity is fool's gold.
>> But, for example, it would be completely wrong to forbid children to take part in lessons where they learn about the existence of other religions (and atheism) and learn tolerance for those different practises. Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children.
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> Well that IS happening, as my example shows.
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> My girlfriend works at a non religious school that is closed in a fortnight for a day for Eid, because no one will turn up. Is that ok?
Islam is either already the largest religion in the UK or will overtake Anglicanism within less than five years. The 'White British' population is already below 50% in four towns,will drop below 50% in Birmingham by 2020, and will fall below 50% in the UK as a whole in 2060. People saying 'our country' have, with all due respect, completely missed the point.
The latest figures that I have seen is that the White British population will be 67% in 2051, with another 2.5% Irish and 10% white other, so the total BAME population including mixed heritage is about 20%. Like all projections it is subject to revision.
Your usage of "our country" is interesting. By 2051 the descendents of the Windrush generation will have been here a century. Will it ever be "our country" for them in your mind?
His use of ‘our country’ is a quote from people arguing that religious people should be forced to make their children attend lessons that teach them stuff they find abominable.
> @Mysticrose said: > HYUFD maybe it's not a huge surprise but when the Conservatives start losing the support of people like Michael Heseltine, John Major and George Osborne you really really should sit up. > > This is so so so reminiscent of Momentum's take over of Labour.
Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, Ann Widdecombe is even standing for them if the Blairites and Cameroons want to form a CUK/LD Alliance fine
> His use of ‘our country’ is a quote from people arguing that religious people should be forced to make their children attend lessons that teach them stuff they find abominable.
With respect I said no such thing. I said it was of course okay for children in some areas to have a day off to celebrate Eid. Just as it would be for Diwali, or Yom Kippur, or Chinese New Year.
It was a positive point, not one built on a foundation of hate and anger.
> @isam said: > I’m not the one saying it’s ‘our’ country and they should fit in, it’s the people arguing with me.
Isn't it fascinating how eager people are to make this mistake? Even when you put it in quotation marks, they glide right past them.
> @Foxy said: >>@Chelyabinsk said: >>> @tlg86 said: >>> Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children. >>People saying 'our country' have, with all due respect, completely missed the point. > Your usage of "our country" is interesting.
The latest figures that I have seen is that the White British population will be 67% in 2051, with another 2.5% Irish and 10% white other, so the total BAME population including mixed heritage is about 20%. Like all projections it is subject to revision.
Your usage of "our country" is interesting. By 2051 the descendents of the Windrush generation will have been here a century. Will it ever be "our country" for them in your mind?
If "our" means British citizens, then it already is.
Do you disagree with what @tlg86 said about our country?
"Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children."
Is that what "our country" is all about? we have a long history of intolerance and lack of understanding, often wilful, of other values, up to and including the present age. To pretend otherwise is to believe our own myths.
> @Mysticrose said: > Foxy, my reference to 'our' country was ironic. There's really no such thing. Of course we all need to respect the vets who fought to the death in two world wars. But they also fought alongside many Commonwealth citizens, whose graves I have frequently visited. They fought for freedoms and against fascism and extreme nationalism. > > This has always been a mixed race nation, going back thousands of years. 'We ourselves' were seafaring and internationalist, conquering 1/3rd of the globe. And in many cases 'we' welcomed with open arms those from other countries. > > Britain is mixed race. Always has been. Always will be. Chasing after some nostalgic white Anglo-Saxon identity is fool's gold.
I know we don't agree on much but this is spot on.
Foxy, my reference to 'our' country was ironic. There's really no such thing. Of course we all need to respect the vets who fought to the death in two world wars. But they also fought alongside many Commonwealth citizens, whose graves I have frequently visited. They fought for freedoms and against fascism and extreme nationalism.
This has always been a mixed race nation, going back thousands of years. 'We ourselves' were seafaring and internationalist, conquering 1/3rd of the globe. And in many cases 'we' welcomed with open arms those from other countries.
Britain is mixed race. Always has been. Always will be. Chasing after some nostalgic white Anglo-Saxon identity is fool's gold.
> @Mysticrose said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, A > > Sorry but this loose comment has to be called out. It's the kind of thing Farage says and it's totally untrue (no surprise there). > > 13,636,684 million people voted Conservative on 08th June 2017. > > The Brexit Party will do well to garner 1/5th of them tomorrow. >
"On 26 September 1983, the nuclear early-warning system of the Soviet Union reported the launch of multiple USAF Minuteman intercontinental ballistic missiles from bases in the United States. These missile attack warnings were correctly identified as a false alarm by Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov, an officer of the Soviet Air Defence Forces."
Petrov became known as "the man who single-handedly saved the world from nuclear war".
> @Mysticrose said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, A > > Sorry but this loose comment has to be called out. It's the kind of thing Farage says and it's totally untrue (no surprise there). > > 13,636,684 million people voted Conservative on 08th June 2017. > > The Brexit Party will do well to garner 1/5th of them tomorrow. >
We do not know what turn out will be tomorrow but it certainly looks higher than the locals, if it reaches 40% over half of 2016 general election voters will vote.
Yet Yougov has 65% of 2017 Tory voters voting Brexit Party to just 16% voting Tory
> @Mysticrose said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, A > > Sorry but this loose comment has to be called out. It's the kind of thing Farage says and it's totally untrue (no surprise there). > > 13,636,684 million people voted Conservative on 08th June 2017. > > The Brexit Party will do well to garner 1/5th of them tomorrow. >
I would be very surprised if they failed to gain a third as many votes. If turnout is up then half as many is possible.
It seems to me that we're living in this strange, edgy twilight world that will soon be swept away and forgotten within days. What will follow is Boris World.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @solarflare said: > > So the issue of Northern Ireland army veterans is being used as some sort of weird proxy internal Tory battle? > > Suspect this is signalling what they want/expect Mays successor to commit to Re. Northern Ireland veterans.
The issuing of letters of comfort to get the Good Friday Agreement should have been balanced by a similar arrangement for the RUC, UDR, RIR and British Army.
We should have had a proper Truth and Reconciliation Commission to lance the boils and help healing. A missed opportunity.
Edit: sorry but I am dyslexic and often don't spot typos before I post comments
> @Mysticrose said: > Edit: thanks Richard @Richard_Tyndall > > As I was saying. > > @Mysticrose said: > > This has always been a mixed race nation, going back thousands of years. 'We ourselves' were seafaring and internationalist, conquering 1/3rd of the globe. And in many cases 'we' welcomed with open arms those from other countries. > > Britain is mixed race. Always has been. Always will be. Chasing after some nostalgic white Anglo-Saxon identity is fool's gold. > > Indeed it is - the genetic roots of Britons actually go back to the original settlers of the islands (1), with Anglo-Saxon DNA present in only half the samples, and amounting to about 10 - 40% of their genome. The idea that 'Britain is mixed race' flies in the face of the distinct genetic clusters (2) which still make up the island, formed precisely because moment within Britain - let alone across the globe - was so rare until the very recent past.
> @MikeSmithson said: > > @Mysticrose said: > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > > Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, A > > > > Sorry but this loose comment has to be called out. It's the kind of thing Farage says and it's totally untrue (no surprise there). > > > > 13,636,684 million people voted Conservative on 08th June 2017. > > > > The Brexit Party will do well to garner 1/5th of them tomorrow. > > > > Very good point. This is a low turnout election
But have we ever had an EU election before where the result <i>mattered</i>? This one does. I expect turnout to be well up.
> @HYUFD said: > > @Mysticrose said: > > HYUFD maybe it's not a huge surprise but when the Conservatives start losing the support of people like Michael Heseltine, John Major and George Osborne you really really should sit up. > > > > This is so so so reminiscent of Momentum's take over of Labour. > > Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, Ann Widdecombe is even standing for them if the Blairites and Cameroons want to form a CUK/LD Alliance fine
> @MikeSmithson said: > > @Mysticrose said: > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > > Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, A > > > > Sorry but this loose comment has to be called out. It's the kind of thing Farage says and it's totally untrue (no surprise there). > > > > 13,636,684 million people voted Conservative on 08th June 2017. > > > > The Brexit Party will do well to garner 1/5th of them tomorrow. > > > > Very good point. This is a low turnout election
But 33% of a 15 million turnout would still be circa 5 million votes.
> @Stark_Dawning said: > It seems to me that we're living in this strange, edgy twilight world that will soon be swept away and forgotten within days. What will follow is Boris World.
As opposed to the malfunctioning robot causing utter destruction in May World?
Smug bastards. Never done a day's hard graft between them, but all now living the life of Riley.
I find this comment rather interesting, given the new realities of work. What us a 'day's hard graft' nowadays - we can't all be firefighters, builders or miners.
I've worked on construction / demo sites, and as a software engineer, and I wouldn't say either was easy: they could be 'hard graft' in various ways. And I certainly wouldn't say that Mrs J, who has never had to get her hands dirty in a job, is not a hard grafter - she works incredibly hard.
I'm far from sure you can realistically accuse any of those three of not having worked hard - and if they've been rewarded for it, fair enough.
Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots.
What's happening with the Newcastle Metro? Problems? I used to use that regularly years ago when I lived there.
> @JosiasJessop said: > I find this comment rather interesting, given the new realities of work. What us a 'day's hard graft' nowadays - we can't all be firefighters, builders or miners. > > I've worked on construction / demo sites, and as a software engineer, and I wouldn't say either was easy: they could be 'hard graft' in various ways. And I certainly wouldn't say that Mrs J, who has never had to get her hands dirty in a job, is not a hard grafter - she works incredibly hard. > > I'm far from sure you can realistically accuse any of those three of not having worked hard - and if they've been rewarded for it, fair enough.
An interesting thing I read in Tim Shipman's All Out War was an observation by someone in No 10 that the referendum night was the only time they ever saw David Cameron use a computer.
Now, now, I am sure millionaire investment banker Sir Danny Alexander, multi millionaire Facebook executive and California based Nick Clegg and million pounds a year 3 jobs Osborne put in a lot of 'graft' for their trouble
Some of the Lib Dems, particularly those wanting to move left nowadays, are not going to welcome Osborne's support. On the cusp of "detoxification" that could lose a couple of percentage points of support in places like university towns, London and parts of the North.
> I find this comment rather interesting, given the new realities of work. What us a 'day's hard graft' nowadays - we can't all be firefighters, builders or miners.
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> I've worked on construction / demo sites, and as a software engineer, and I wouldn't say either was easy: they could be 'hard graft' in various ways. And I certainly wouldn't say that Mrs J, who has never had to get her hands dirty in a job, is not a hard grafter - she works incredibly hard.
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> I'm far from sure you can realistically accuse any of those three of not having worked hard - and if they've been rewarded for it, fair enough.
An interesting thing I read in Tim Shipman's All Out War was an observation by someone in No 10 that the referendum night was the only time they ever saw David Cameron use a computer.
> @JosiasJessop said: > > @JosiasJessop said: > > > I find this comment rather interesting, given the new realities of work. What us a 'day's hard graft' nowadays - we can't all be firefighters, builders or miners. > > > > > > I've worked on construction / demo sites, and as a software engineer, and I wouldn't say either was easy: they could be 'hard graft' in various ways. And I certainly wouldn't say that Mrs J, who has never had to get her hands dirty in a job, is not a hard grafter - she works incredibly hard. > > > > > > I'm far from sure you can realistically accuse any of those three of not having worked hard - and if they've been rewarded for it, fair enough. > > > > An interesting thing I read in Tim Shipman's All Out War was an observation by someone in No 10 that the referendum night was the only time they ever saw David Cameron use a computer. > > I thought he rather liked Angry Birds ?
Flair and elan possibly, but if there's anything that Boris Johnson has proved himself *not* to have between 2016 and now, and Gove's last splattering and now, it's distinction and intellect.
> @Chelyabinsk said: > > @Mysticrose said: > > Edit: thanks Richard @Richard_Tyndall > > > > As I was saying. > > > > @Mysticrose said: > > > > This has always been a mixed race nation, going back thousands of years. 'We ourselves' were seafaring and internationalist, conquering 1/3rd of the globe. And in many cases 'we' welcomed with open arms those from other countries. > > > > Britain is mixed race. Always has been. Always will be. Chasing after some nostalgic white Anglo-Saxon identity is fool's gold. > > > > > Indeed it is - the genetic roots of Britons actually go back to the original settlers of the islands (1), with Anglo-Saxon DNA present in only half the samples, and amounting to about 10 - 40% of their genome. The idea that 'Britain is mixed race' flies in the face of the distinct genetic clusters (2) which still make up the island, formed precisely because moment within Britain - let alone across the globe - was so rare until the very recent past. > > (1)http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134-300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/ > (2)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/britons-still-live-in-anglo-saxon-tribal-kingdoms-oxford-univers/
I am afraid that New Scientist article is very much now out of date.
To start with the end of the Neolithic/start of the Bronze Age was marked by an almost total extinction of the population and its replacement by a new group of settlers. According to the latest research over 90% of the population of the British Isles was wiped out within a generation - probably as a result of a plague - and replaced by the Beaker Culture.
If you can get hold of a copy then the paper on this is
"The Beaker phenomenon and the genomic transformation of northwest Europe" by Olalde et al published last year in Nature. There has been lots of coverage of it in places like New Scientist.
> His use of ‘our country’ is a quote from people arguing that religious people should be forced to make their children attend lessons that teach them stuff they find abominable.
With respect I said no such thing. I said it was of course okay for children in some areas to have a day off to celebrate Eid. Just as it would be for Diwali, or Yom Kippur, or Chinese New Year.
It was a positive point, not one built on a foundation of hate and anger.
> @Pulpstar said: > I don't know what it is but something irks me personally far more about Boris than either Farage or Corbyn.
I don't like Boris much either. Again from All Out War, apparently one of the things that made Gove ditch him last time was that he remembers nothing. You'd have a conversation with him one day and then two days later it's like the conversation never happened.
Memory isn't a skill that tends to get talked about much. In fact, people often deride examinations as being memory tests. But I think it is important for a leader to be able to handle a fair amount of information - at least at a high level.
> @malcolmg said: > The Huawei sanctions fallout is going to be considerable: > > ARM memo tells staff to stop working with China’s tech giant > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48363772 > ...What is not yet clear is whether ARM is acting on its own interpretation of the US rules, or whether it has been advised by the Commerce Department. > "If that interpretation is correct, that’s going to affect every semiconductor company in the world,” remarked analyst Lee Ratliff, from IHS Markit.... > > Be fun if China call in their debts and stop lending to USA
Plus selling off the many trillions of $US that they hold at discount. It will destroy the US economy and incidently destroy the US military by reducing its budget to miniscule levels. Trump will have accidentally introduced a peace dividend.
I think after a year (It's not my best result but not completely dire) of a Boris premiership people are going to be wishing back for the halycon days of May.
A vote on a referendum was always coming, such an amendment being inevitable. Tory MPs need to calm down. That said, the media is all talking about a second vote now, and it is hard to believe May didn’t know that would be the inevitable consequence of her raising it in her speech. But it is rumoured she was blocked by cabinet from putting it on the face of the bill, and this is her revenge.
Another vote is starting to look inevitable. Quite a change in mood from the day I suggested we could end up here, back in early 2017, to the scorn of many PB’ers. If I could be bothered to look it would be fun to find that thread again.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @Chelyabinsk said: > > > @Mysticrose said: > > > Edit: thanks Richard @Richard_Tyndall > > > > > > As I was saying. > > > > > > @Mysticrose said: > > > > > > This has always been a mixed race nation, going back thousands of years. 'We ourselves' were seafaring and internationalist, conquering 1/3rd of the globe. And in many cases 'we' welcomed with open arms those from other countries. > > > > > > Britain is mixed race. Always has been. Always will be. Chasing after some nostalgic white Anglo-Saxon identity is fool's gold. > > > > > > > > Indeed it is - the genetic roots of Britons actually go back to the original settlers of the islands (1), with Anglo-Saxon DNA present in only half the samples, and amounting to about 10 - 40% of their genome. The idea that 'Britain is mixed race' flies in the face of the distinct genetic clusters (2) which still make up the island, formed precisely because moment within Britain - let alone across the globe - was so rare until the very recent past. > > > > (1)http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134-300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/ > > (2)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/britons-still-live-in-anglo-saxon-tribal-kingdoms-oxford-univers/ > > I am afraid that New Scientist article is very much now out of date. > > To start with the end of the Neolithic/start of the Bronze Age was marked by an almost total extinction of the population and its replacement by a new group of settlers. According to the latest research over 90% of the population of the British Isles was wiped out within a generation - probably as a result of a plague - and replaced by the Beaker Culture. > > If you can get hold of a copy then the paper on this is > > "The Beaker phenomenon and the genomic transformation of northwest Europe" by Olalde et al published last year in Nature. There has been lots of coverage of it in places like New Scientist.
> @IanB2 said: > > @Scott_P said: > > https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1131175303907348480 > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1131175517464481792 > > A vote on a referendum was always coming, such an amendment being inevitable. Tory MPs need to calm down. That said, the media is all talking about a second vote now, and it is hard to believe May didn’t know that would be the inevitable consequence of her raising it in her speech. But it is rumoured she was blocked by cabinet from putting it on the face of the bill, and this is her revenge. > > Another vote is starting to look inevitable. Quite a change in mood from the day I suggested we could end up here, back in early 2017, to the scorn of many PB’ers. If I could be bothered to look it would be fun to find that thread again.
I still just cant figure out how it is considered acceptable to ask again. What has become of us?
> @John_McLean said: > > @malcolmg said: > > The Huawei sanctions fallout is going to be considerable: > > > > ARM memo tells staff to stop working with China’s tech giant > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48363772 > > ...What is not yet clear is whether ARM is acting on its own interpretation of the US rules, or whether it has been advised by the Commerce Department. > > "If that interpretation is correct, that’s going to affect every semiconductor company in the world,” remarked analyst Lee Ratliff, from IHS Markit.... > > > > Be fun if China call in their debts and stop lending to USA > > Plus selling off the many trillions of $US that they hold at discount. It will destroy the US economy and incidently destroy the US military by reducing its budget to miniscule levels. Trump will have accidentally introduced a peace dividend.
Except the debt is denominated almost entirely one would think in Dollars, for which the US Govt has the sole issuing rights. Sure bond yields might spike big time, and inflation might be horrible but but the Chinese could see the real value of the debt they hold inflate away. A touch of the old "you owe the bank £1000 you have a problem. You owe the bank £1million the bank has a problem."
> @williamglenn said: > > @Pulpstar said: > > I don't know what it is but something irks me personally far more about Boris than either Farage or Corbyn. > > I can imagine him being more gung ho about sending people into battle for the sake of his own image.
Farage and Corbyn believe in something other than themselves. Boris believes in one thing, Boris.
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> https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1131157602312830976
Francois is really a vile disgusting creature . I have no time for May but that sort of behaviour is disgraceful .
> So what's the timetable likely to be:
> Immediately step down and Liddington becomes acting PM?
> 12 weeks in all to go to con party members to have as much ligitimacy as possible to compensate as far as possible for lack of General election authority?
> or .....
The usual course would be for Theresa May to announce her resignation as Con leader, thus triggering a leadership contest but for her to remain as Prime Minister until a successor is chosen.
> Charming:
>
> https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1131157602312830976
Translate today's Euros Yougov to a general election and Francois loses his seat to the Brexit Party which would be amusing
> > @crandles said:
> > So what's the timetable likely to be:
> > Immediately step down and Liddington becomes acting PM?
> > 12 weeks in all to go to con party members to have as much ligitimacy as possible to compensate as far as possible for lack of General election authority?
> > or .....
>
> The usual course would be for Theresa May to announce her resignation as Con leader, thus triggering a leadership contest but for her to remain as Prime Minister until a successor is chosen.
Most likely
> https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1131150145167470592?s=21
No surprise there
https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1130497963917135872?s=20
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
>
>
>
> > EE and Vodafone drop Huawei phones from 5G launch in the UK
>
> >
>
> > “Until we get the information and confidence ... we’ve put those devices on pause”
>
> >
>
> > https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/22/18635313/huawei-phones-dropped-uk-carrier-ee-5g-mate-20-launch
>
>
>
> Glad I bought a Samsung S10....only decent high end phone out there ;-)
>
> Fake news.
>
> The XS Max is the greatest phone out there.
In all seriousness, there is a big possibility now that we end up with two different mobile eco-systems, where China make all their own chips designs, modems, OS, ripped off from western IP, but all with separate standards.
If that was to be the case, wouldn't surprise me if they flood the developing world with it all and then you end up with the western brands only able to operate in the west and China standards ruling places Africa.
This is so so so reminiscent of Momentum's take over of Labour.
Your usage of "our country" is interesting. By 2051 the descendents of the Windrush generation will have been here a century. Will it ever be "our country" for them in your mind?
> > @williamglenn said:
> > https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1131150145167470592?s=21
>
> No surprise there
>
> https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1130497963917135872?s=20
Nick and Danny clearly consuming their milkshakes, rather than lobbing them.....
> > @Gallowgate said:
> > ***Trainspotting Post***
> >
> > Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
> >
> > Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
> >
> > Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
> >
> >
> > All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots.
> >
> >
> > I've done the Metro, two years back! But I think you're supposed to get some brand new trains within the next few years?
> >
> > Only about 10 years too late. We need more trains, new stations, and new lines. The scale of house building on Tyneside is insane but no investment at all in local transport.
> >
> > Plenty of money for London but none for the provinces.
>
> The purpose of the regional mayors was to provide a place for such conversations to take place and allow such schemes to be created.
>
> Down south of you, we have a mayor focusing on keeping the airport viable and improving links across the Tees Valley. Given the mess the councils South of the Tyne made by voting against a regional mayor I suspect the metro won't be expanded at any time in the future.
Would be ironic, and fitting, and good for me, if the Metro was extended north of the Tyne only.
Meanwhile. Prudhoe to Newcastle is 12 miles. There are NO trains before 09:55 or after 21:23 on Sundays. It is therefore impossible to work either an early shift, or a late one in Toon, or at the Metro Centre. Unsurprisingly the roads and pollution suffer.
Quality of trains is one thing. Their total absence is another matter.
Do you disagree with what @Richard_Tyndall (I think, hard to tell with this FU'd comment system) said about our country?
"Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children."
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/05/22/risk-of-nuclear-war-now-highest-since-ww2-u-n-arms-research-ch/
This has always been a mixed race nation, going back thousands of years. 'We ourselves' were seafaring and internationalist, conquering 1/3rd of the globe. And in many cases 'we' welcomed with open arms those from other countries.
Britain is mixed race. Always has been. Always will be. Chasing after some nostalgic white Anglo-Saxon identity is fool's gold.
> HYUFD maybe it's not a huge surprise but when the Conservatives start losing the support of people like Michael Heseltine, John Major and George Osborne you really really should sit up.
>
> This is so so so reminiscent of Momentum's take over of Labour.
Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, Ann Widdecombe is even standing for them if the Blairites and Cameroons want to form a CUK/LD Alliance fine
> His use of ‘our country’ is a quote from people arguing that religious people should be forced to make their children attend lessons that teach them stuff they find abominable.
With respect I said no such thing. I said it was of course okay for children in some areas to have a day off to celebrate Eid. Just as it would be for Diwali, or Yom Kippur, or Chinese New Year.
It was a positive point, not one built on a foundation of hate and anger.
Still at least you're not accusing half the board of being perverts.
> I’m not the one saying it’s ‘our’ country and they should fit in, it’s the people arguing with me.
Isn't it fascinating how eager people are to make this mistake? Even when you put it in quotation marks, they glide right past them.
> @Foxy said:
>>@Chelyabinsk said:
>>> @tlg86 said:
>>> Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children.
>>People saying 'our country' have, with all due respect, completely missed the point.
> Your usage of "our country" is interesting.
> Risk of nuclear war at its highest since WW2 UN nuclear adviser says
>
> https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/05/22/risk-of-nuclear-war-now-highest-since-ww2-u-n-arms-research-ch/
Sorry, but I refuse to believe it is higher than during the Cuban missile crisis.
> Risk of nuclear war at its highest since WW2 UN nuclear adviser says
>
>
>
> https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/05/22/risk-of-nuclear-war-now-highest-since-ww2-u-n-arms-research-ch/
>
> Higher than the infamous 13 days of JFK? Very much doubt it.
And I remember that crisis with real fear and concern.
No!
> Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, A
Sorry but this loose comment has to be called out. It's the kind of thing Farage says and it's totally untrue (no surprise there).
13,636,684 million people voted Conservative on 08th June 2017.
The Brexit Party will do well to garner 1/5th of them tomorrow.
> Foxy, my reference to 'our' country was ironic. There's really no such thing. Of course we all need to respect the vets who fought to the death in two world wars. But they also fought alongside many Commonwealth citizens, whose graves I have frequently visited. They fought for freedoms and against fascism and extreme nationalism.
>
> This has always been a mixed race nation, going back thousands of years. 'We ourselves' were seafaring and internationalist, conquering 1/3rd of the globe. And in many cases 'we' welcomed with open arms those from other countries.
>
> Britain is mixed race. Always has been. Always will be. Chasing after some nostalgic white Anglo-Saxon identity is fool's gold.
I know we don't agree on much but this is spot on.
Deselect, please.
As I was saying.
@Mysticrose said:
Foxy, my reference to 'our' country was ironic. There's really no such thing. Of course we all need to respect the vets who fought to the death in two world wars. But they also fought alongside many Commonwealth citizens, whose graves I have frequently visited. They fought for freedoms and against fascism and extreme nationalism.
This has always been a mixed race nation, going back thousands of years. 'We ourselves' were seafaring and internationalist, conquering 1/3rd of the globe. And in many cases 'we' welcomed with open arms those from other countries.
Britain is mixed race. Always has been. Always will be. Chasing after some nostalgic white Anglo-Saxon identity is fool's gold.
> So the issue of Northern Ireland army veterans is being used as some sort of weird proxy internal Tory battle?
Suspect this is signalling what they want/expect Mays successor to commit to Re. Northern Ireland veterans.
> > @HYUFD said:
>
> > Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, A
>
> Sorry but this loose comment has to be called out. It's the kind of thing Farage says and it's totally untrue (no surprise there).
>
> 13,636,684 million people voted Conservative on 08th June 2017.
>
> The Brexit Party will do well to garner 1/5th of them tomorrow.
>
Very good point. This is a low turnout election
> Risk of nuclear war at its highest since WW2 UN nuclear adviser says
>
>
>
> https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/05/22/risk-of-nuclear-war-now-highest-since-ww2-u-n-arms-research-ch/
>
> It'll probably happen as we've been really very close twice (that we know about): the Arkhipov incident in '62 and the Black Brant incident in '95.
And 26th September 1983:
"On 26 September 1983, the nuclear early-warning system of the Soviet Union reported the launch of multiple USAF Minuteman intercontinental ballistic missiles from bases in the United States. These missile attack warnings were correctly identified as a false alarm by Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov, an officer of the Soviet Air Defence Forces."
Petrov became known as "the man who single-handedly saved the world from nuclear war".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident
> > @HYUFD said:
>
> > Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, A
>
> Sorry but this loose comment has to be called out. It's the kind of thing Farage says and it's totally untrue (no surprise there).
>
> 13,636,684 million people voted Conservative on 08th June 2017.
>
> The Brexit Party will do well to garner 1/5th of them tomorrow.
>
We do not know what turn out will be tomorrow but it certainly looks higher than the locals, if it reaches 40% over half of 2016 general election voters will vote.
Yet Yougov has 65% of 2017 Tory voters voting Brexit Party to just 16% voting Tory
> > @HYUFD said:
>
> > Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, A
>
> Sorry but this loose comment has to be called out. It's the kind of thing Farage says and it's totally untrue (no surprise there).
>
> 13,636,684 million people voted Conservative on 08th June 2017.
>
> The Brexit Party will do well to garner 1/5th of them tomorrow.
>
I would be very surprised if they failed to gain a third as many votes. If turnout is up then half as many is possible.
> > @solarflare said:
> > So the issue of Northern Ireland army veterans is being used as some sort of weird proxy internal Tory battle?
>
> Suspect this is signalling what they want/expect Mays successor to commit to Re. Northern Ireland veterans.
The issuing of letters of comfort to get the Good Friday Agreement should have been balanced by a similar arrangement for the RUC, UDR, RIR and British Army.
We should have had a proper Truth and Reconciliation Commission to lance the boils and help healing. A missed opportunity.
Edit: sorry but I am dyslexic and often don't spot typos before I post comments
> Edit: thanks Richard @Richard_Tyndall
>
> As I was saying.
>
> @Mysticrose said:
>
> This has always been a mixed race nation, going back thousands of years. 'We ourselves' were seafaring and internationalist, conquering 1/3rd of the globe. And in many cases 'we' welcomed with open arms those from other countries.
>
> Britain is mixed race. Always has been. Always will be. Chasing after some nostalgic white Anglo-Saxon identity is fool's gold.
>
>
Indeed it is - the genetic roots of Britons actually go back to the original settlers of the islands (1), with Anglo-Saxon DNA present in only half the samples, and amounting to about 10 - 40% of their genome. The idea that 'Britain is mixed race' flies in the face of the distinct genetic clusters (2) which still make up the island, formed precisely because moment within Britain - let alone across the globe - was so rare until the very recent past.
(1)http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134-300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/
(2)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/britons-still-live-in-anglo-saxon-tribal-kingdoms-oxford-univers/
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/330100219792470016
Sadly I think we are beyond that.
> > @williamglenn said:
> > https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1131150145167470592?s=21
>
> No surprise there
>
> https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1130497963917135872?s=20
Smug bastards. Never done a day's hard graft between them, but all now living the life of Riley.
> > @Mysticrose said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> >
> > > Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, A
> >
> > Sorry but this loose comment has to be called out. It's the kind of thing Farage says and it's totally untrue (no surprise there).
> >
> > 13,636,684 million people voted Conservative on 08th June 2017.
> >
> > The Brexit Party will do well to garner 1/5th of them tomorrow.
> >
>
> Very good point. This is a low turnout election
But have we ever had an EU election before where the result <i>mattered</i>? This one does. I expect turnout to be well up.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1131168020083167232
Politics, eh?
> > @Mysticrose said:
> > HYUFD maybe it's not a huge surprise but when the Conservatives start losing the support of people like Michael Heseltine, John Major and George Osborne you really really should sit up.
> >
> > This is so so so reminiscent of Momentum's take over of Labour.
>
> Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, Ann Widdecombe is even standing for them if the Blairites and Cameroons want to form a CUK/LD Alliance fine
There are sources of news other than ConHome.
> > @Mysticrose said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> >
> > > Most 2017 Tory voters are now voting Brexit Party on Thursday, A
> >
> > Sorry but this loose comment has to be called out. It's the kind of thing Farage says and it's totally untrue (no surprise there).
> >
> > 13,636,684 million people voted Conservative on 08th June 2017.
> >
> > The Brexit Party will do well to garner 1/5th of them tomorrow.
> >
>
> Very good point. This is a low turnout election
But 33% of a 15 million turnout would still be circa 5 million votes.
> It seems to me that we're living in this strange, edgy twilight world that will soon be swept away and forgotten within days. What will follow is Boris World.
As opposed to the malfunctioning robot causing utter destruction in May World?
I've worked on construction / demo sites, and as a software engineer, and I wouldn't say either was easy: they could be 'hard graft' in various ways. And I certainly wouldn't say that Mrs J, who has never had to get her hands dirty in a job, is not a hard grafter - she works incredibly hard.
I'm far from sure you can realistically accuse any of those three of not having worked hard - and if they've been rewarded for it, fair enough.
https://www.twitter.com/MediaGuido/status/1131169555991138304
> I find this comment rather interesting, given the new realities of work. What us a 'day's hard graft' nowadays - we can't all be firefighters, builders or miners.
>
> I've worked on construction / demo sites, and as a software engineer, and I wouldn't say either was easy: they could be 'hard graft' in various ways. And I certainly wouldn't say that Mrs J, who has never had to get her hands dirty in a job, is not a hard grafter - she works incredibly hard.
>
> I'm far from sure you can realistically accuse any of those three of not having worked hard - and if they've been rewarded for it, fair enough.
An interesting thing I read in Tim Shipman's All Out War was an observation by someone in No 10 that the referendum night was the only time they ever saw David Cameron use a computer.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > > @williamglenn said:
> > > https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1131150145167470592?s=21
> >
> > No surprise there
> >
> > https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1130497963917135872?s=20
>
> Smug bastards. Never done a day's hard graft between them, but all now living the life of Riley.
Now, now, I am sure millionaire investment banker Sir Danny Alexander, multi millionaire Facebook executive and California based Nick Clegg and million pounds a year 3 jobs Osborne put in a lot of 'graft' for their trouble
> /twitter.com/e_casalicchio/status/1131172085143937026
Is there an election coming up or something?
> > @twistedfirestopper3 said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > @williamglenn said:
> > > > https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1131150145167470592?s=21
> > >
> > > No surprise there
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1130497963917135872?s=20
> >
> > Smug bastards. Never done a day's hard graft between them, but all now living the life of Riley.
>
> Now, now, I am sure millionaire investment banker Sir Danny Alexander, multi millionaire Facebook executive and California based Nick Clegg and million pounds a year 3 jobs Osborne put in a lot of 'graft' for their trouble
Osborne's stunt with his Lib Dem "pals" is a timely reminder to any defecting Labour Remainers to vote Green rather than Lib Dem.
> > @JosiasJessop said:
>
> > I find this comment rather interesting, given the new realities of work. What us a 'day's hard graft' nowadays - we can't all be firefighters, builders or miners.
>
> >
>
> > I've worked on construction / demo sites, and as a software engineer, and I wouldn't say either was easy: they could be 'hard graft' in various ways. And I certainly wouldn't say that Mrs J, who has never had to get her hands dirty in a job, is not a hard grafter - she works incredibly hard.
>
> >
>
> > I'm far from sure you can realistically accuse any of those three of not having worked hard - and if they've been rewarded for it, fair enough.
>
>
>
> An interesting thing I read in Tim Shipman's All Out War was an observation by someone in No 10 that the referendum night was the only time they ever saw David Cameron use a computer.
>
> I thought he rather liked Angry Birds ?
And this website apparently.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1131151672762339329?s=21
> Well.
>
> twitter.com/thetimes/status/1131151672762339329?s=21
Desk...head...thud thud thud.....
> Who funds them?
>
> https://www.twitter.com/MediaGuido/status/1131169555991138304
Sorry, the electoral commission is too busy this week. Perhaps next week
> > @Mysticrose said:
> > Edit: thanks Richard @Richard_Tyndall
> >
> > As I was saying.
> >
> > @Mysticrose said:
> >
> > This has always been a mixed race nation, going back thousands of years. 'We ourselves' were seafaring and internationalist, conquering 1/3rd of the globe. And in many cases 'we' welcomed with open arms those from other countries.
> >
> > Britain is mixed race. Always has been. Always will be. Chasing after some nostalgic white Anglo-Saxon identity is fool's gold.
> >
> >
> Indeed it is - the genetic roots of Britons actually go back to the original settlers of the islands (1), with Anglo-Saxon DNA present in only half the samples, and amounting to about 10 - 40% of their genome. The idea that 'Britain is mixed race' flies in the face of the distinct genetic clusters (2) which still make up the island, formed precisely because moment within Britain - let alone across the globe - was so rare until the very recent past.
>
> (1)http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134-300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/
> (2)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/britons-still-live-in-anglo-saxon-tribal-kingdoms-oxford-univers/
I am afraid that New Scientist article is very much now out of date.
To start with the end of the Neolithic/start of the Bronze Age was marked by an almost total extinction of the population and its replacement by a new group of settlers. According to the latest research over 90% of the population of the British Isles was wiped out within a generation - probably as a result of a plague - and replaced by the Beaker Culture.
If you can get hold of a copy then the paper on this is
"The Beaker phenomenon and the genomic transformation of northwest Europe" by Olalde et al published last year in Nature. There has been lots of coverage of it in places like New Scientist.
https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1131175517464481792
> I don't know what it is but something irks me personally far more about Boris than either Farage or Corbyn.
Farage is more dangerous, but Johnson is even more dishonest, and particularly, disingenuous.
> I don't know what it is but something irks me personally far more about Boris than either Farage or Corbyn.
I don't like Boris much either. Again from All Out War, apparently one of the things that made Gove ditch him last time was that he remembers nothing. You'd have a conversation with him one day and then two days later it's like the conversation never happened.
Memory isn't a skill that tends to get talked about much. In fact, people often deride examinations as being memory tests. But I think it is important for a leader to be able to handle a fair amount of information - at least at a high level.
> The Huawei sanctions fallout is going to be considerable:
>
> ARM memo tells staff to stop working with China’s tech giant
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48363772
> ...What is not yet clear is whether ARM is acting on its own interpretation of the US rules, or whether it has been advised by the Commerce Department.
> "If that interpretation is correct, that’s going to affect every semiconductor company in the world,” remarked analyst Lee Ratliff, from IHS Markit....
>
> Be fun if China call in their debts and stop lending to USA
Plus selling off the many trillions of $US that they hold at discount. It will destroy the US economy and incidently destroy the US military by reducing its budget to miniscule levels. Trump will have accidentally introduced a peace dividend.
> https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1131175303907348480
>
>
>
> https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1131175517464481792
A vote on a referendum was always coming, such an amendment being inevitable. Tory MPs need to calm down. That said, the media is all talking about a second vote now, and it is hard to believe May didn’t know that would be the inevitable consequence of her raising it in her speech. But it is rumoured she was blocked by cabinet from putting it on the face of the bill, and this is her revenge.
Another vote is starting to look inevitable. Quite a change in mood from the day I suggested we could end up here, back in early 2017, to the scorn of many PB’ers. If I could be bothered to look it would be fun to find that thread again.
> > @Chelyabinsk said:
> > > @Mysticrose said:
> > > Edit: thanks Richard @Richard_Tyndall
> > >
> > > As I was saying.
> > >
> > > @Mysticrose said:
> > >
> > > This has always been a mixed race nation, going back thousands of years. 'We ourselves' were seafaring and internationalist, conquering 1/3rd of the globe. And in many cases 'we' welcomed with open arms those from other countries.
> > >
> > > Britain is mixed race. Always has been. Always will be. Chasing after some nostalgic white Anglo-Saxon identity is fool's gold.
> > >
> > >
> > Indeed it is - the genetic roots of Britons actually go back to the original settlers of the islands (1), with Anglo-Saxon DNA present in only half the samples, and amounting to about 10 - 40% of their genome. The idea that 'Britain is mixed race' flies in the face of the distinct genetic clusters (2) which still make up the island, formed precisely because moment within Britain - let alone across the globe - was so rare until the very recent past.
> >
> > (1)http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134-300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/
> > (2)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/britons-still-live-in-anglo-saxon-tribal-kingdoms-oxford-univers/
>
> I am afraid that New Scientist article is very much now out of date.
>
> To start with the end of the Neolithic/start of the Bronze Age was marked by an almost total extinction of the population and its replacement by a new group of settlers. According to the latest research over 90% of the population of the British Isles was wiped out within a generation - probably as a result of a plague - and replaced by the Beaker Culture.
>
> If you can get hold of a copy then the paper on this is
>
> "The Beaker phenomenon and the genomic transformation of northwest Europe" by Olalde et al published last year in Nature. There has been lots of coverage of it in places like New Scientist.
https://rdcu.be/bDIS5
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1131175303907348480
> >
> >
> >
> > https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1131175517464481792
>
> A vote on a referendum was always coming, such an amendment being inevitable. Tory MPs need to calm down. That said, the media is all talking about a second vote now, and it is hard to believe May didn’t know that would be the inevitable consequence of her raising it in her speech. But it is rumoured she was blocked by cabinet from putting it on the face of the bill, and this is her revenge.
>
> Another vote is starting to look inevitable. Quite a change in mood from the day I suggested we could end up here, back in early 2017, to the scorn of many PB’ers. If I could be bothered to look it would be fun to find that thread again.
I still just cant figure out how it is considered acceptable to ask again. What has become of us?
> £ falling for a record thirteenth trading day running.
Another Union Dividend.
> I don't know what it is but something irks me personally far more about Boris than either Farage or Corbyn.
I can imagine him being more gung ho about sending people into battle for the sake of his own image.
> > @malcolmg said:
> > The Huawei sanctions fallout is going to be considerable:
> >
> > ARM memo tells staff to stop working with China’s tech giant
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48363772
> > ...What is not yet clear is whether ARM is acting on its own interpretation of the US rules, or whether it has been advised by the Commerce Department.
> > "If that interpretation is correct, that’s going to affect every semiconductor company in the world,” remarked analyst Lee Ratliff, from IHS Markit....
> >
> > Be fun if China call in their debts and stop lending to USA
>
> Plus selling off the many trillions of $US that they hold at discount. It will destroy the US economy and incidently destroy the US military by reducing its budget to miniscule levels. Trump will have accidentally introduced a peace dividend.
Except the debt is denominated almost entirely one would think in Dollars, for which the US Govt has the sole issuing rights. Sure bond yields might spike big time, and inflation might be horrible but but the Chinese could see the real value of the debt they hold inflate away. A touch of the old "you owe the bank £1000 you have a problem. You owe the bank £1million the bank has a problem."
The US simply cannot "run out" of US Dollars.
> > @Pulpstar said:
> > I don't know what it is but something irks me personally far more about Boris than either Farage or Corbyn.
>
> I can imagine him being more gung ho about sending people into battle for the sake of his own image.
Farage and Corbyn believe in something other than themselves.
Boris believes in one thing, Boris.