I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught.
What if they believe the world was created in 7 days 4k odd years ago and is flat? Should they be allowed to withdraw their kids from history & geography lessons?
> @tlg86 said: > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > > @isam said: > > > > > > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught. > > > > People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax. > > There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies.
That is absolutely fine. Religious assemblies are not part of the required curriculum. Indeed many schools have no actual religious practice included in their schedules at all.
But, for example, it would be completely wrong to forbid children to take part in lessons where they learn about the existence of other religions (and atheism) and learn tolerance for those different practises. Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children.
> There's a large minority of Tory MPs that I would not take a message like that seriously, as they've said the same many times before. If the text were from Amber Rudd then I might react differently.
> @MarqueeMark said: > Roll up, roll up, for May's final PMQs.....
I actually hope it is but I do not want to see her humilated as she has tried to square an impossible circle. Time to pass the chalice to a brexiteer and sit back and watch
Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
I actually hope it is but I do not want to see her humilated as she has tried to square an impossible circle. Time to pass the chalice to a brexiteer and sit back and watch
I agree. She’s now being bullied by the press in my opinion and I feel sorry for her. She needs to resign today for her own dignity.
Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @tlg86 said: > > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > > > @isam said: > > > > > > > > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught. > > > > > > People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax. > > > > There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies. > > That is absolutely fine. Religious assemblies are not part of the required curriculum. Indeed many schools have no actual religious practice included in their schedules at all. > > But, for example, it would be completely wrong to forbid children to take part in lessons where they learn about the existence of other religions (and atheism) and learn tolerance for those different practises. Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children.
May quits as PM, defects from the Conservatives, starts up her own party whilst standing as an Independent in the meantime and just 24 short years later is returned to power in a crushing General Election victory in a country still stuck in never-ending Brexit limbo on an overwhelming manifesto to implement her withdrawal agreement.
> > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught.
>
> People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax.
There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies.
Whereas I had to sit through them, bored out of my brains, then got a bollocking when I said that what there were banging on about was a load of rubbish. There's a clear answer: get rid of faith teaching in state schools. Given that most British people are not religious I don't see why this would even be that hard to enact, if the will was there.
> > - Our Education Secretary and Equalities Minister (do we even have one anymore?) have said diddly squat.
>
>
>
> I think that's Penny Mordaunt double-jobbing. Regardless of who has the title it's meaningless if they won't speak out in defence of Equalities.
>
> It is an utter dereliction of duty. Gay people are being attacked. The protestors are trying to stop gay people being teachers - to their children anyway. This is propagation of hate - and I don’t give a flying stuff that this hate is legitimised by some bloody book or other. Grrr.....
100% agree. The first thing they should do is immediately adopt the No Outsiders scheme as part of the national schools policy and put the full weight of the Government behind it (ignoring for the moment the reasonable response that this Government no longer has any weight). Stop letting all the responsibility for this being carried by a few brave head teachers and make it clear there will be no backing down. Make it cross party as well to make it clear it is the whole of Parliament that is behind this not just one party.
Then start prosecuting parents for refusing to send their kids to school. If you can fine parents for taking their kids to Spain for a week during the school term then you should sure as hell be able to prosecute them for keeping them out of school for this.
Honestly, I think this is what happens when we take our eye off the ball and our tunnel vision concentrates purely on Brexit (or Revoke, or whatever) and nothing else.
> @_Anazina_ said: > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > > > @isam said: > > > > > > > > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught. > > > > > > People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax. > > > > There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies. > > Whereas I had to sit through them, bored out of my brains, then got a bollocking when I said that what there were banging on about was a load of rubbish. There's a clear answer: get rid of faith teaching in state schools. Given that most British people are not religious I don't see why this would even be that hard to enact, if the will was there. > > https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-atheist-no-religion-uk-christianity-islam-sikism-judaism-jewish-muslims-a7928896.html
This isn't about religious education, this story is about social, relationship and sex education.
> @Gallowgate said: > ***Trainspotting Post*** > > Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London. > > Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year. > > Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door. > > > All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots.
And we've still got Pacers and none of the new trains in service yet.
Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots.
I've done the Metro, two years back! But I think you're supposed to get some brand new trains within the next few years?
Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots.
I've done the Metro, two years back! But I think you're supposed to get some brand new trains within the next few years?
Only about 10 years too late. We need more trains, new stations, and new lines. The scale of house building on Tyneside is insane but no investment at all in local transport.
Plenty of money for London but none for the provinces.
> @eek said: > > @_Anazina_ said: > > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > > > > > @isam said: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught. > > > > > > > > > > People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax. > > > > > > > > There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies. > > > > Whereas I had to sit through them, bored out of my brains, then got a bollocking when I said that what there were banging on about was a load of rubbish. There's a clear answer: get rid of faith teaching in state schools. Given that most British people are not religious I don't see why this would even be that hard to enact, if the will was there. > > > > https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-atheist-no-religion-uk-christianity-islam-sikism-judaism-jewish-muslims-a7928896.html > > This isn't about religious education, this story is about social, relationship and sex education.
It isn't even about sex education. It is an anti-bullying programme. Which is ironic, since it seems to have provoked a lot of it. Maybe it is the parents and their fellow travelers who would benefit from it?
> @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > @MarqueeMark said: > > Roll up, roll up, for May's final PMQs..... > > I actually hope it is but I do not want to see her humilated as she has tried to square an impossible circle. Time to pass the chalice to a brexiteer and sit back and watch
But then what? We seem to have reached a point where TM's successor could declare war on Spain, and the Brexit Party would complain that Belgum had been let off the hook. Is there really no way out other than to watch Farage and his mates try, crash and burn? I like Britain too much to want that to happen.
> Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
>
> Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
>
> Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
>
>
> All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots.
And we've still got Pacers and none of the new trains in service yet.
> @Stuartinromford said: > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > Roll up, roll up, for May's final PMQs..... > > > > I actually hope it is but I do not want to see her humilated as she has tried to square an impossible circle. Time to pass the chalice to a brexiteer and sit back and watch > > But then what? We seem to have reached a point where TM's successor could declare war on Spain, and the Brexit Party would complain that Belgum had been let off the hook. Is there really no way out other than to watch Farage and his mates try, crash and burn? I like Britain too much to want that to happen.
And so do I and I reject all Farage stands for. However it is time to put a brexiteer in charge and see the same deadlock and how it unfolds
> Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
>
> Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
>
> Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
>
>
> All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots.
And we've still got Pacers and none of the new trains in service yet.
Still waiting for Crossrail to open!
At least you have a Crossrail, with another already in planning.
> @brokenwheel said: > > @Gallowgate said: > > > ***Trainspotting Post*** > > > > > > Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London. > > > > > > Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year. > > > > > > Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door. > > > > > > > > > All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots. > > > > And we've still got Pacers and none of the new trains in service yet. > > Still waiting for Crossrail to open! > > At least you have a Crossrail, with another already in planning.
> @AlastairMeeks said: > > @williamglenn said: > > > @AlastairMeeks said: > > > I suggest to the Cabinet that it would be an excellent idea to install David Lidington as caretaker Prime Minister. > > > > How would that work constitutionally? Would May still be technically the PM, but agreeing to delegate everything to Lidington? > > No no no. It's very important that Mr Lidington should actually kiss hands.
Could he not fulfill the role undertaken by R A Butler post -Suez at end of 1956 and again in October 1963?
> @Gallowgate said: > ***Trainspotting Post*** > > Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London. > > Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year. > > Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door. > > > All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots. > > > I've done the Metro, two years back! But I think you're supposed to get some brand new trains within the next few years? > > Only about 10 years too late. We need more trains, new stations, and new lines. The scale of house building on Tyneside is insane but no investment at all in local transport. > > Plenty of money for London but none for the provinces.
The purpose of the regional mayors was to provide a place for such conversations to take place and allow such schemes to be created.
Down south of you, we have a mayor focusing on keeping the airport viable and improving links across the Tees Valley. Given the mess the councils South of the Tyne made by voting against a regional mayor I suspect the metro won't be expanded at any time in the future.
Down south of you, we have a mayor focusing on keeping the airport viable and improving links across the Tees Valley. Given the mess the councils South of the Tyne made by voting against a regional mayor I suspect the metro won't be expanded at any time in the future.
Should have been imposed by central government. The councils here will never work together properly. They are all too afraid of losing their jobs.
I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught.
No. That is to negate the whole point of education, which is to teach children what they cannot get at home. What next: pulling children out of maths because I don’t agree that 2+2 =4? Or pulling children out of class because a Muslim teacher is teaching French?
Well I think home teaching is allowed so that wouldn’t be inconceivable
> > > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught.
> >
> > People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax.
>
> There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies.
That is absolutely fine. Religious assemblies are not part of the required curriculum. Indeed many schools have no actual religious practice included in their schedules at all.
But, for example, it would be completely wrong to forbid children to take part in lessons where they learn about the existence of other religions (and atheism) and learn tolerance for those different practises. Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children.
Well that IS happening, as my example shows.
My girlfriend works at a non religious school that is closed in a fortnight for a day for Eid, because no one will turn up. Is that ok?
> @tlg86 said: > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > > @isam said: > > > > > > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught. > > > > People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax. > > There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies.
My school was roughly half jews half gentiles. We had one Roman Catholic pupil who sat out assemblies. No fuss, no problem. We were pretty envious of him.
> @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > Jezza talking about "the arts" now. > > > > You couldn't make it up! > > TM has her failings but Corbyn is just absurd
> @Big_G_NorthWales said: > Corbyn is just idiotic. > > He has the chance to attack TM on British Steel and the rebellion behind her but continues on school funding which is not going to cut through > > We really are terribly served by our leaders
He realises that IDS is about to speak, and subconsciously wants to remind everyone that he might be even more stupid and clueless as LOTO than IDS.It is the only area he can genuinely compete with any previous part leader on.
> @FrancisUrquhart said: > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > Jezza talking about "the arts" now. > > > > > > You couldn't make it up! > > > > TM has her failings but Corbyn is just absurd > > Left wing Trump...
Maybe we are seeing the death throws of both major party leaders?
> @Nigel_Foremain said: > > @FrancisUrquhart said: > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > Jezza talking about "the arts" now. > > > > > > > > You couldn't make it up! > > > > > > TM has her failings but Corbyn is just absurd > > > > Left wing Trump... > > Maybe we are seeing the death throws of both major party leaders?
> @isam said: >> @tlg86 said: >> >> But, for example, it would be completely wrong to forbid children to take part in lessons where they learn about the existence of other religions (and atheism) and learn tolerance for those different practises. Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children. > > Well that IS happening, as my example shows. > > My girlfriend works at a non religious school that is closed in a fortnight for a day for Eid, because no one will turn up. Is that ok?
Islam is either already the largest religion in the UK or will overtake Anglicanism within less than five years. The 'White British' population is already below 50% in four towns,will drop below 50% in Birmingham by 2020, and will fall below 50% in the UK as a whole in 2060. People saying 'our country' have, with all due respect, completely missed the point.
> @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > @Nigel_Foremain said: > > > @FrancisUrquhart said: > > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > > Jezza talking about "the arts" now. > > > > > > > > > > You couldn't make it up! > > > > > > > > TM has her failings but Corbyn is just absurd > > > > > > Left wing Trump... > > > > Maybe we are seeing the death throws of both major party leaders? > > TM yes and fingers crossed on Corbyn
I am worried we may end up with someone worse than May, but worse than Corbyn is pretty hard to achieve.
> @Big_G_NorthWales said: > Corbyn is just idiotic. > > He has the chance to attack TM on British Steel and the rebellion behind her but continues on school funding which is not going to cut through > > We really are terribly served by our leaders
Corbyn is smart enough to know there is a very damaging come back: British Steel has been lost whilst his MPs dick around trying to get a second vote, rather than pass the WA. Parliament was warned jobs were at risk - these are some of those jobs. He could really do without losing a couple more % off Labour's vote tomorrow...
I think the end of Corbyn is nearer than many think. Just like Theresa May he is running out of road and every event like tomorrow's European elections will be another nail in the coffin. When you have the likes of Ian Lavery, Jon Trickett and Barry Gardiner either going head on against the leader or twisting the words of the leader to mean nothing then his authority is surely dwindling, especially given the decline in the polls as of late.
>> But, for example, it would be completely wrong to forbid children to take part in lessons where they learn about the existence of other religions (and atheism) and learn tolerance for those different practises. Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children.
>
> Well that IS happening, as my example shows.
>
> My girlfriend works at a non religious school that is closed in a fortnight for a day for Eid, because no one will turn up. Is that ok?
Islam is either already the largest religion in the UK or will overtake Anglicanism within less than five years. The 'White British' population is already below 50% in four towns,will drop below 50% in Birmingham by 2020, and will fall below 50% in the UK as a whole in 2060. People saying 'our country' have, with all due respect, completely missed the point.
People mistakenly, and rather arrogantly, thought ‘diversity’ was people from all over the world with different belief systems coming to Britain and adopting British belief systems. A kind of multi coloured Britain with different dress senses but where everyone thought the same. But diversity means trying to cobble together a load of different belief systems without it all kicking off. Real life is not a Benetton advert
I must say that were I in Theresa May's position , it would give me great pleasure as a departing act of revenge on the ERG faction to announce that she had advised the EU that the UK had decided to revoke Article 50.
> @Nigel_Foremain said: > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > @Nigel_Foremain said: > > > > @FrancisUrquhart said: > > > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > > > Jezza talking about "the arts" now. > > > > > > > > > > > > You couldn't make it up! > > > > > > > > > > TM has her failings but Corbyn is just absurd > > > > > > > > Left wing Trump... > > > > > > Maybe we are seeing the death throws of both major party leaders? > > > > TM yes and fingers crossed on Corbyn > > I am worried we may end up with someone worse than May, but worse than Corbyn is pretty hard to achieve.
I think that whoever takes over from TM may well be worse but it is time for her to allow a successor campaign. As for Corbyn, and excluding McDonnell, yes it would be very difficult to find anyone less suited to the office of PM
UK-based chip designer ARM has told staff it must suspend business with Huawei, according to internal documents obtained by the BBC.
ARM instructed employees to halt "all active contracts, support entitlements, and any pending engagements” with Huawei and its subsidiaries to comply with a recent US trade clampdown.
Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots.
I've done the Metro, two years back! But I think you're supposed to get some brand new trains within the next few years?
Only about 10 years too late. We need more trains, new stations, and new lines. The scale of house building on Tyneside is insane but no investment at all in local transport.
Plenty of money for London but none for the provinces.
EMUs have a design life of 40-50 years. The electrical units can last a lot longer: the Class 442 Southern Region EMUs have 30-ish y.o. bodies on running units dating from the 1940s and remain the best trains in the region. London has had several classes of tube stock hit their fiftieth anniversary in service before being replaced.
> @Chelyabinsk said: > > @isam said: > >> @tlg86 said: > >> > >> But, for example, it would be completely wrong to forbid children to take part in lessons where they learn about the existence of other religions (and atheism) and learn tolerance for those different practises. Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children. > > > > Well that IS happening, as my example shows. > > > > My girlfriend works at a non religious school that is closed in a fortnight for a day for Eid, because no one will turn up. Is that ok? > > Islam is either already the largest religion in the UK or will overtake Anglicanism within less than five years. The 'White British' population is already below 50% in four towns,will drop below 50% in Birmingham by 2020, and will fall below 50% in the UK as a whole in 2060. People saying 'our country' have, with all due respect, completely missed the point.
Christianity (including evangelicals, Catholics and Anglicans combined) is still comfortably larger than Islam in the UK.
Globally though they are about tied now on a third of the global population each
> > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught.
>
> People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax.
There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies.
Whereas I had to sit through them, bored out of my brains, then got a bollocking when I said that what there were banging on about was a load of rubbish. There's a clear answer: get rid of faith teaching in state schools. Given that most British people are not religious I don't see why this would even be that hard to enact, if the will was there.
There's something to be said for a modicum of boredom in education (the odd hour each week, though, not every lesson...). The realisation that figures of authority spout nonsense from time to time is also of some benefit. It doesn't appear to have done you any lasting harm.
> @isam said: > My girlfriend works at a non religious school that is closed in a fortnight for a day for Eid, because no one will turn up. Is that ok?
Yes of course it's okay. Eid marks the end of the long and testing Ramadan fast.
All schools have INSET days and there are a raft of public holidays throughout the year, some of which revolve around Christianity. I have no problem with schools in areas with high concentrations of different faiths respecting those. Leicester schools often close for Diwali, Jewish based schools for Yom Kippur, Chinese ones when it is their New Year.
If the Faragist argument is imposed that this is 'our' country and they should fit in, it can be readily dismantled by some good history lessons.
The problems arise when hate of any form becomes legitimised.
UK-based chip designer ARM has told staff it must suspend business with Huawei, according to internal documents obtained by the BBC.
ARM instructed employees to halt "all active contracts, support entitlements, and any pending engagements” with Huawei and its subsidiaries to comply with a recent US trade clampdown.
> @TrèsDifficile said: > > @TrèsDifficile said: > > > Maybe we are seeing the death throws of both major party leaders? > > > > > > Are they deadly judo moves? > > > > ho ho OK, death throes, check my spelling! > > I'd have believed you that it was an automiscorrect, in a way I've never believed @TheScreamingEagles
I have to confess, I thought about saying that, but it would've been a fib, and probably guessed as such!
> My girlfriend works at a non religious school that is closed in a fortnight for a day for Eid, because no one will turn up. Is that ok?
Yes of course it's okay.
All schools have INSET days and there are a raft of public holidays throughout the year, some of which revolve around Christianity. I have no problem with schools in areas with high concentrations of different faiths respecting those. Leicester schools often close for Diwali, Jewish based schools for Yom Kippur, Chinese ones when it is their New Year.
If the Faragist argument is imposed that this is 'our' country and they should fit in, it can be readily dismantled by some good history lessons.
The problems arise when hate of any form becomes legitimised.
I’m not the one saying it’s ‘our’ country and they should fit in, it’s the people arguing with me.
So what's the timetable likely to be: Immediately step down and Liddington becomes acting PM? 12 weeks in all to go to con party members to have as much ligitimacy as possible to compensate as far as possible for lack of General election authority? or .....
I'm just not sure I can see Parliament allowing No Deal to pass? There are several mechanisms by which they would prevent it. Which leaves only proroguing.
The proroguing of Parliament seems to me like some of the more wild ideas mooted by the ERG previously. I guess it's technically possible. But surely very unlikely.
Comments
"I'm enjoying this" 12/1
> > @Richard_Tyndall said:
> > > @isam said:
> > >
> > > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught.
> >
> > People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax.
>
> There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies.
That is absolutely fine. Religious assemblies are not part of the required curriculum. Indeed many schools have no actual religious practice included in their schedules at all.
But, for example, it would be completely wrong to forbid children to take part in lessons where they learn about the existence of other religions (and atheism) and learn tolerance for those different practises. Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children.
> https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1131144791985655808
>
>
>
> Then what?
It's a bit like the "clean break" Brexit postulated by the No Dealers.
'Then what ?' is not important.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZw35VUBdzo
> https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1131144791985655808
>
>
>
> Then what?
If people had asked "Then what?" a bit more over the last few years, we might not have got into this mess.
> Roll up, roll up, for May's final PMQs.....
I actually hope it is but I do not want to see her humilated as she has tried to square an impossible circle. Time to pass the chalice to a brexiteer and sit back and watch
Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
> Cease to be. Surely that is extreme !!!!
It's the only way to get rid of her. She's probably already pre-recorded the "nothing has changed" speech to play at her funeral.
> > @tlg86 said:
> > > @Richard_Tyndall said:
> > > > @isam said:
> > > >
> > > > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught.
> > >
> > > People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax.
> >
> > There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies.
>
> That is absolutely fine. Religious assemblies are not part of the required curriculum. Indeed many schools have no actual religious practice included in their schedules at all.
>
> But, for example, it would be completely wrong to forbid children to take part in lessons where they learn about the existence of other religions (and atheism) and learn tolerance for those different practises. Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children.
Agreed.
> https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1131144791985655808
>
>
>
> Then what?
May quits as PM, defects from the Conservatives, starts up her own party whilst standing as an Independent in the meantime and just 24 short years later is returned to power in a crushing General Election victory in a country still stuck in never-ending Brexit limbo on an overwhelming manifesto to implement her withdrawal agreement.
Um, possibly.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-atheist-no-religion-uk-christianity-islam-sikism-judaism-jewish-muslims-a7928896.html
> > @Richard_Tyndall said:
>
> > > @isam said:
>
> > >
>
> > > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught.
>
> >
>
> > People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax.
>
>
>
> There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies.
>
> Whereas I had to sit through them, bored out of my brains, then got a bollocking when I said that what there were banging on about was a load of rubbish. There's a clear answer: get rid of faith teaching in state schools. Given that most British people are not religious I don't see why this would even be that hard to enact, if the will was there.
>
> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-atheist-no-religion-uk-christianity-islam-sikism-judaism-jewish-muslims-a7928896.html
This isn't about religious education, this story is about social, relationship and sex education.
> ***Trainspotting Post***
>
> Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
>
> Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
>
> Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
>
>
> All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots.
And we've still got Pacers and none of the new trains in service yet.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1131108718698029056
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1131109182806069249
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1131109719001706496
Plenty of money for London but none for the provinces.
> > @_Anazina_ said:
> > > @Richard_Tyndall said:
> >
> > > > @isam said:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax.
> >
> >
> >
> > There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies.
> >
> > Whereas I had to sit through them, bored out of my brains, then got a bollocking when I said that what there were banging on about was a load of rubbish. There's a clear answer: get rid of faith teaching in state schools. Given that most British people are not religious I don't see why this would even be that hard to enact, if the will was there.
> >
> > https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-atheist-no-religion-uk-christianity-islam-sikism-judaism-jewish-muslims-a7928896.html
>
> This isn't about religious education, this story is about social, relationship and sex education.
It isn't even about sex education. It is an anti-bullying programme. Which is ironic, since it seems to have provoked a lot of it. Maybe it is the parents and their fellow travelers who would benefit from it?
> > @MarqueeMark said:
> > Roll up, roll up, for May's final PMQs.....
>
> I actually hope it is but I do not want to see her humilated as she has tried to square an impossible circle. Time to pass the chalice to a brexiteer and sit back and watch
But then what? We seem to have reached a point where TM's successor could declare war on Spain, and the Brexit Party would complain that Belgum had been let off the hook. Is there really no way out other than to watch Farage and his mates try, crash and burn? I like Britain too much to want that to happen.
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @MarqueeMark said:
> > > Roll up, roll up, for May's final PMQs.....
> >
> > I actually hope it is but I do not want to see her humilated as she has tried to square an impossible circle. Time to pass the chalice to a brexiteer and sit back and watch
>
> But then what? We seem to have reached a point where TM's successor could declare war on Spain, and the Brexit Party would complain that Belgum had been let off the hook. Is there really no way out other than to watch Farage and his mates try, crash and burn? I like Britain too much to want that to happen.
And so do I and I reject all Farage stands for. However it is time to put a brexiteer in charge and see the same deadlock and how it unfolds
> Never thought I’d say this but I wish George Osborne was still Chancellor.
I would be fine with that.
> > @Gallowgate said:
>
> > ***Trainspotting Post***
>
> >
>
> > Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
>
> >
>
> > Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
>
> >
>
> > Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots.
>
>
>
> And we've still got Pacers and none of the new trains in service yet.
>
> Still waiting for Crossrail to open!
>
> At least you have a Crossrail, with another already in planning.
I'll be amazed in Crossrail 2 happens.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/vladimir-putin-to-get-late-night-bbc-chat-show-but-is-it-fake-news/ar-AABHoyb?ocid=spartanntp
https://www.itv.com/thismorning/debate-should-religion-stop-lgbt-lessons
> https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1131150145167470592?s=21
Are you thinking what he is thinking?
I am!
> > @williamglenn said:
> > > @AlastairMeeks said:
> > > I suggest to the Cabinet that it would be an excellent idea to install David Lidington as caretaker Prime Minister.
> >
> > How would that work constitutionally? Would May still be technically the PM, but agreeing to delegate everything to Lidington?
>
> No no no. It's very important that Mr Lidington should actually kiss hands.
Could he not fulfill the role undertaken by R A Butler post -Suez at end of 1956 and again in October 1963?
> https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1131154131014619138
The Quiet Mans going to turn up the volume?
> ***Trainspotting Post***
>
> Slipped under my usually efficient radar, but in recent weeks, Epsom in Surrey, and Cuffley, Bayford and Hertford North have come under the London Oyster Card scheme, meaning you can use Oyster or a Contactless bank card on journeys to and from any station in London.
>
> Potters Bar and Radlett to follow later this summer. And I think Luton Airport and Reading should be reachable by Oyster by the end of the year.
>
> Also, there's more! A brand new station near Tottenham, Meridian Water, is due to open next Tuesday, replacing the nearby Angel Road, which is currently the least used station in London. The new station is in a more accessible location, opposite a big Tesco's and there will be new housing next door.
>
>
> All this, whilst the Tyne and Wear Metro rots.
>
>
> I've done the Metro, two years back! But I think you're supposed to get some brand new trains within the next few years?
>
> Only about 10 years too late. We need more trains, new stations, and new lines. The scale of house building on Tyneside is insane but no investment at all in local transport.
>
> Plenty of money for London but none for the provinces.
The purpose of the regional mayors was to provide a place for such conversations to take place and allow such schemes to be created.
Down south of you, we have a mayor focusing on keeping the airport viable and improving links across the Tees Valley. Given the mess the councils South of the Tyne made by voting against a regional mayor I suspect the metro won't be expanded at any time in the future.
>twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1131154883292348416
Because the man has the brain power of a gnat.
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1131154131014619138
>
> The Quiet Mans going to turn up the volume?
...but will be reducing the average IQ of questioners
>
> Plenty of money for London but none for the provinces.
I agree.
It is one of the prime causes of Brexit ....
He has the chance to attack TM on British Steel and the rebellion behind her but continues on school funding which is not going to cut through
We really are terribly served by our leaders
You couldn't make it up!
My girlfriend works at a non religious school that is closed in a fortnight for a day for Eid, because no one will turn up. Is that ok?
> Jezza talking about "the arts" now.
>
> You couldn't make it up!
TM has her failings but Corbyn is just absurd
> > @Richard_Tyndall said:
> > > @isam said:
> > >
> > > I think they should be allowed to pull their kids from lessons they disagreee with, not stop the lessons being taught.
> >
> > People should not be allowed to opt out of legal requirements because they disagree with them. I disagree with the current speeding laws and the current tax policies but would fully expect to be prosecuted if I was driving at 85 on a motorway or did not pay my tax.
>
> There were kids at my primary school who were Jehovah's Witnesses and they were excused from assembly due to the religious nature of some assemblies.
My school was roughly half jews half gentiles. We had one Roman Catholic pupil who sat out assemblies. No fuss, no problem. We were pretty envious of him.
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > Jezza talking about "the arts" now.
> >
> > You couldn't make it up!
>
> TM has her failings but Corbyn is just absurd
Left wing Trump...
> Corbyn is just idiotic.
>
> He has the chance to attack TM on British Steel and the rebellion behind her but continues on school funding which is not going to cut through
>
> We really are terribly served by our leaders
He realises that IDS is about to speak, and subconsciously wants to remind everyone that he might be even more stupid and clueless as LOTO than IDS.It is the only area he can genuinely compete with any previous part leader on.
> Speaker just slapped down a chap I was at uni with!
So Oxford at a guess
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @GIN1138 said:
> > > Jezza talking about "the arts" now.
> > >
> > > You couldn't make it up!
> >
> > TM has her failings but Corbyn is just absurd
>
> Left wing Trump...
Maybe we are seeing the death throws of both major party leaders?
> > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > > @GIN1138 said:
> > > > Jezza talking about "the arts" now.
> > > >
> > > > You couldn't make it up!
> > >
> > > TM has her failings but Corbyn is just absurd
> >
> > Left wing Trump...
>
> Maybe we are seeing the death throws of both major party leaders?
TM yes and fingers crossed on Corbyn
>> @tlg86 said:
>>
>> But, for example, it would be completely wrong to forbid children to take part in lessons where they learn about the existence of other religions (and atheism) and learn tolerance for those different practises. Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children.
>
> Well that IS happening, as my example shows.
>
> My girlfriend works at a non religious school that is closed in a fortnight for a day for Eid, because no one will turn up. Is that ok?
Islam is either already the largest religion in the UK or will overtake Anglicanism within less than five years. The 'White British' population is already below 50% in four towns,will drop below 50% in Birmingham by 2020, and will fall below 50% in the UK as a whole in 2060. People saying 'our country' have, with all due respect, completely missed the point.
> > @Nigel_Foremain said:
> > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > > > @GIN1138 said:
> > > > > Jezza talking about "the arts" now.
> > > > >
> > > > > You couldn't make it up!
> > > >
> > > > TM has her failings but Corbyn is just absurd
> > >
> > > Left wing Trump...
> >
> > Maybe we are seeing the death throws of both major party leaders?
>
> TM yes and fingers crossed on Corbyn
I am worried we may end up with someone worse than May, but worse than Corbyn is pretty hard to achieve.
> Corbyn is just idiotic.
>
> He has the chance to attack TM on British Steel and the rebellion behind her but continues on school funding which is not going to cut through
>
> We really are terribly served by our leaders
Corbyn is smart enough to know there is a very damaging come back: British Steel has been lost whilst his MPs dick around trying to get a second vote, rather than pass the WA. Parliament was warned jobs were at risk - these are some of those jobs. He could really do without losing a couple more % off Labour's vote tomorrow...
> Maybe we are seeing the death throws of both major party leaders?
>
> Are they deadly judo moves?
ho ho OK, death throes, check my spelling!
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @Nigel_Foremain said:
> > > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > > > > @GIN1138 said:
> > > > > > Jezza talking about "the arts" now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You couldn't make it up!
> > > > >
> > > > > TM has her failings but Corbyn is just absurd
> > > >
> > > > Left wing Trump...
> > >
> > > Maybe we are seeing the death throws of both major party leaders?
> >
> > TM yes and fingers crossed on Corbyn
>
> I am worried we may end up with someone worse than May, but worse than Corbyn is pretty hard to achieve.
I think that whoever takes over from TM may well be worse but it is time for her to allow a successor campaign. As for Corbyn, and excluding McDonnell, yes it would be very difficult to find anyone less suited to the office of PM
UK-based chip designer ARM has told staff it must suspend business with Huawei, according to internal documents obtained by the BBC.
ARM instructed employees to halt "all active contracts, support entitlements, and any pending engagements” with Huawei and its subsidiaries to comply with a recent US trade clampdown.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48363772
> > @isam said:
> >> @tlg86 said:
> >>
> >> But, for example, it would be completely wrong to forbid children to take part in lessons where they learn about the existence of other religions (and atheism) and learn tolerance for those different practises. Our country is supposed to be all about tolerance and understanding and it is those values that should be taught in school to ALL children.
> >
> > Well that IS happening, as my example shows.
> >
> > My girlfriend works at a non religious school that is closed in a fortnight for a day for Eid, because no one will turn up. Is that ok?
>
> Islam is either already the largest religion in the UK or will overtake Anglicanism within less than five years. The 'White British' population is already below 50% in four towns,will drop below 50% in Birmingham by 2020, and will fall below 50% in the UK as a whole in 2060. People saying 'our country' have, with all due respect, completely missed the point.
Christianity (including evangelicals, Catholics and Anglicans combined) is still comfortably larger than Islam in the UK.
Globally though they are about tied now on a third of the global population each
The realisation that figures of authority spout nonsense from time to time is also of some benefit.
It doesn't appear to have done you any lasting harm.
> My girlfriend works at a non religious school that is closed in a fortnight for a day for Eid, because no one will turn up. Is that ok?
Yes of course it's okay. Eid marks the end of the long and testing Ramadan fast.
All schools have INSET days and there are a raft of public holidays throughout the year, some of which revolve around Christianity. I have no problem with schools in areas with high concentrations of different faiths respecting those. Leicester schools often close for Diwali, Jewish based schools for Yom Kippur, Chinese ones when it is their New Year.
If the Faragist argument is imposed that this is 'our' country and they should fit in, it can be readily dismantled by some good history lessons.
The problems arise when hate of any form becomes legitimised.
“Until we get the information and confidence ... we’ve put those devices on pause”
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/22/18635313/huawei-phones-dropped-uk-carrier-ee-5g-mate-20-launch
> > @TrèsDifficile said:
>
> > Maybe we are seeing the death throws of both major party leaders?
>
> >
>
> > Are they deadly judo moves?
>
>
>
> ho ho OK, death throes, check my spelling!
>
>
I have to confess, I thought about saying that, but it would've been a fib, and probably guessed as such!
Let the Rejoin campaign begin as soon as possible.
Immediately step down and Liddington becomes acting PM?
12 weeks in all to go to con party members to have as much ligitimacy as possible to compensate as far as possible for lack of General election authority?
or .....
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1131157602312830976
> EE and Vodafone drop Huawei phones from 5G launch in the UK
>
> “Until we get the information and confidence ... we’ve put those devices on pause”
>
> https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/22/18635313/huawei-phones-dropped-uk-carrier-ee-5g-mate-20-launch
Glad I bought a Samsung S10....only decent high end phone out there ;-)
> Charming:
>
> https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1131157602312830976
Inexcusable and unacceptable
> Charming:
>
> https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1131157602312830976
He is an odious little toad with a brain the size of a small frog
The XS Max is the greatest phone out there.
The proroguing of Parliament seems to me like some of the more wild ideas mooted by the ERG previously. I guess it's technically possible. But surely very unlikely.