Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked
> @Cyclefree said: > > @DavidL said: > > > @Richard_Nabavi said: > > > 'Blue collar' is such a strange phrase. I thought it odd thirty years ago, but at least then you could vaguely relate to it. Nowadays it just seems quaint. > > > > It's weird isn't it? Especially in a meeting where everyone is wearing suits. Short of the odd security guard or prison officer does anyone wear a blue collar to work anymore? > > > Presumably if you wear nice pale blue cotton poplin shirts you do. > > Blue shirts are usually more flattering to men than white. This fashion tip is brought to you by someone who has no shirts, whether blue or white, to her name.
At the risk of showing myself to be a sexist dinosaur as well as a chocolate cappuccino drinker men’s clothing should be functional and reasonably smart. Women have much greater licence.
> @Pulpstar said: > > @Pulpstar said: > > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?! > > In Newcastle, too! > > You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-) > > Looks like an overpriced McDonalds where you think the food is better than it is because it is more expensive.
Went to one in the States and it wasn't much more than a McDonalds and I thought it was very good. Went to one in London and thought it was thoroughly overpriced.
> @_Anazina_ said: > > Five Guys (UK) is poor – completely overpriced and overhyped. The other standard 'gourmet' burger chains are all superior to it.
In the US it's good because you feel like you're getting a better product with no pretensions, but the UK version seems to have created the opposite effect.
Speaking of old-fashioned stuff, I was leafing through some newspapers from the 30s and 40s, as one does, and saw one or two cracking adverts.
One was for White Point (or something similar), with the ad effectively being a housewife taking a break after breakfast but before lunch, and enjoying a glass of wine
> @isam said: > Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked
Of course politicians shouldn't be assaulted, especially not at a time when we have had one MP killed, another threatened with death and loons who throw acid at people.
To my mind the recent attack on Corbyn was the most potentially serious because the man actually hit him quite hard with the egg and if that had been a knife it could have been much worse.
But all my life there have been occasions when politicians have had flour and eggs hurled at them - didn't Keith Joseph regularly get pelted with the stuff?
Deplorable as it is, this isn't some hideously horrible new development.
> @Cyclefree said: > > @DavidL said: > > > @Richard_Nabavi said: > > > 'Blue collar' is such a strange phrase. I thought it odd thirty years ago, but at least then you could vaguely relate to it. Nowadays it just seems quaint. > > > > It's weird isn't it? Especially in a meeting where everyone is wearing suits. Short of the odd security guard or prison officer does anyone wear a blue collar to work anymore? > > > Presumably if you wear nice pale blue cotton poplin shirts you do. > > Blue shirts are usually more flattering to men than white. This fashion tip is brought to you by someone who has no shirts, whether blue or white, to her name.
I thought that "Blue Collar" meant "working class" and blue referred to the overalls. White collar is then the kind of job where you wear a standard man's white shirt with buttons and a collar (with or without a tie). I often see these two categories with a third called "professional", which I always think is condescending to those with a profession but not in the "professional classes".
> @isam said: > https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1130463023280398336 > > > > Says the worlds worst comedian who can’t even think of a witty retort when someone says he only has one (bad) joke > > Still waiting for the phone to ring for that one big break... 🙈
He makes a few quid from sending in jokes to quiz shows and spends his life on twitter. In no way is he a comedian.
> @tlg86 said: > > @Pulpstar said: > > > @Pulpstar said: > > > > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?! > > > > In Newcastle, too! > > > > You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-) > > > > Looks like an overpriced McDonalds where you think the food is better than it is because it is more expensive. > > Went to one in the States and it wasn't much more than a McDonalds and I thought it was very good. Went to one in London and thought it was thoroughly overpriced.<
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I suspect that milkshake will cost him a lot more than £5.25. He's been completely doxxed on Twitter, he's had to delete his Facebook account, his social media history is being scrutinized by the Offence Gestapo, and it looks like he will lose his job on Sky.
What a twit. And announcing it all on social media?!
> @isam said: > https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1130463023280398336 > > > > Says the worlds worst comedian who can’t even think of a witty retort when someone says he only has one (bad) joke > > Still waiting for the phone to ring for that one big break... 🙈
Since you say almost exactly the same thing whenever Felton comes up, one might consider that the pot calling the kettle black. Or that you're a bit obsessed.
Heseltine is a fraud who only veered to the left in Tory party terms after Maggie came to power and put a block on his ambitions (which included becoming leader of the Tory party).
> @DavidL said: > > @Cyclefree said: > > > @DavidL said: > > > > @Richard_Nabavi said: > > > > 'Blue collar' is such a strange phrase. I thought it odd thirty years ago, but at least then you could vaguely relate to it. Nowadays it just seems quaint. > > > > > > It's weird isn't it? Especially in a meeting where everyone is wearing suits. Short of the odd security guard or prison officer does anyone wear a blue collar to work anymore? > > > > > > Presumably if you wear nice pale blue cotton poplin shirts you do. > > > > Blue shirts are usually more flattering to men than white. This fashion tip is brought to you by someone who has no shirts, whether blue or white, to her name. > > At the risk of showing myself to be a sexist dinosaur as well as a chocolate cappuccino drinker men’s clothing should be functional and reasonably smart. Women have much greater licence.
We are worth it.
Pale blue is generally more flattering than white, especially if you have a tan or are blond. It can look great with silver too. If you are dark haired it can make you look unbearably gorgeous.
Dark blue is much much more flattering than black.
Black and white mostly wash people out unless they are deliberately going for the Goth look or do wonderful things with make up. Or the material adds something eg velvet or taffeta.
But there again velvet suits for men are probably not comme il faut in most lawyers' chambers.
> @eristdoof said: > > @Cyclefree said: > > > @DavidL said: > > > > @Richard_Nabavi said: > > > > 'Blue collar' is such a strange phrase. I thought it odd thirty years ago, but at least then you could vaguely relate to it. Nowadays it just seems quaint. > > > > > > It's weird isn't it? Especially in a meeting where everyone is wearing suits. Short of the odd security guard or prison officer does anyone wear a blue collar to work anymore? > > > > > > Presumably if you wear nice pale blue cotton poplin shirts you do. > > > > Blue shirts are usually more flattering to men than white. This fashion tip is brought to you by someone who has no shirts, whether blue or white, to her name. > > I thought that "Blue Collar" meant "working class" and blue referred to the overalls. > White collar is then the kind of job where you wear a standard man's white shirt with buttons and a collar (with or without a tie). I often see these two categories with a third called "professional", which I always think is condescending to those with a profession but not in the "professional classes". > >
weren't "blue collar shirts" made more hardwearing? I think that's the point?
> @Ishmael_Z said: > > @Norm said: > > Back in my long distant uni days a guy from an organisation called the Freedom Association was speaking. Suddenly there was a cry of "this man is odious" and a large flower bomb immediately caught him square on the chest. It was surprising and slightly shocking. The poor guy was very shaken. Disappointing some people in this forum condone such behaviour today. > > Flour bomb perhaps?
> @Norm said: > > @Scott_P said: > > Ask not for whom the bell tolls... > > > > https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130470539343089664 > > Heseltine is a fraud who only veered to the left in Tory party terms after Maggie came to power and put a block on his ambitions (which included becoming leader of the Tory party).
Once he's outside the Tory Party and no longer a "Big Beast" of the Conservative Party maybe we'll stop hearing about every five minutes.
> @Peter_the_Punter said: > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > I couldn't stand him as a politician but on a personal level there was something very satisfying about Prescott's instinctive reaction when he got egged. > > The ex-boxers in the audience will also have recognised a fairly educated straight left. > > In the circumstances, I don't think his response was excessive.
> > Heseltine is a fraud who only veered to the left in Tory party terms after Maggie came to power and put a block on his ambitions (which included becoming leader of the Tory party).
Once he's outside the Tory Party and no longer a "Big Beast" of the Conservative Party maybe we'll stop hearing about every five minutes.
> @Norm said: > > Heseltine is a fraud who only veered to the left in Tory party terms after Maggie came to power and put a block on his ambitions (which included becoming leader of the Tory party).
Really? He served in her cabinet from 1979-86 and never wavered in his pro-European views.
> @Cyclefree said: > > @isam said: > > Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked > > Of course politicians shouldn't be assaulted, especially not at a time when we have had one MP killed, another threatened with death and loons who throw acid at people. > > To my mind the recent attack on Corbyn was the most potentially serious because the man actually hit him quite hard with the egg and if that had been a knife it could have been much worse. > > But all my life there have been occasions when politicians have had flour and eggs hurled at them - didn't Keith Joseph regularly get pelted with the stuff? > > Deplorable as it is, this isn't some hideously horrible new development. > >
Not new, certainly, but it would be nice to see him get a couple of weeks chokey, pour decourager les autres.
> @isam said: > Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked
Great comment. 2 parts mewling self-pity, 1 parts "ha ha I bet this'll trigger the libs". The perfect right-wing blend.
> @Cyclefree said: > > @isam said: > > Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked > > Of course politicians shouldn't be assaulted, especially not at a time when we have had one MP killed, another threatened with death and loons who throw acid at people. > > To my mind the recent attack on Corbyn was the most potentially serious because the man actually hit him quite hard with the egg and if that had been a knife it could have been much worse. > > But all my life there have been occasions when politicians have had flour and eggs hurled at them - didn't Keith Joseph regularly get pelted with the stuff? > > Deplorable as it is, this isn't some hideously horrible new development. > >
True but as you say the circumstances have changed. Back in the 1980s the idea of attacking someone with acid was almost unheard of outside of the gangland mobs. These days it has become frighteningly common. I think times have changed and it is necessary to deal firmly with these sorts of attacks.
There was a comment earlier about Buttigieg going on a wide array of platforms (Fox being cited), so thought the site might be interested that he's decided not to have a chat with Dave Rubin:
> @brokenwheel said: > > @Norm said: > > > @Scott_P said: > > > Ask not for whom the bell tolls... > > > > > > https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130470539343089664 > > > > > > Heseltine is a fraud who only veered to the left in Tory party terms after Maggie came to power and put a block on his ambitions (which included becoming leader of the Tory party). > > Once he's outside the Tory Party and no longer a "Big Beast" of the Conservative Party maybe we'll stop hearing about every five minutes. > > > > Fat chance
I don't know... I think half the reason CUK have crashed and burned is that the likes of Chuka and Soubry have become far less interesting to the media as CHUK MPs than they were as Labour and Conservative MPs...
Hezza could find that outside of Con all of the media invitations suddenly start drying up....
I know there's a risk of someone mentioning Godwin, but I wonder if anyone on here would be angry if footage emerged of Adolf Hitler being milkshaked?
No, I didn't think so.
Which begs the question, where is the line drawn and on whom?
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, famously of course, wrestled with this problem and his own conscience. Could he stand idly by whilst Hitler stirred up his vile race hatred? Or was it his Christian duty to participate? Ultimately he felt he could do no other but try to take Hitler's life. He returned from New York to fulfil his duty to his people and to save as many Jews as he could. The bomb plot, rather well portrayed in the film Valkyrie, led to Bonhoeffer's imprisonment and death. The Nazis hanged him on April 9th 1945, almost within earshot of the advancing Allies.
For many years after the war, Bonhoeffer was not considered a 'hero' in Germany, nor anything like it.
We decry those who take up violence against democratically elected people in this country. Hitler himself was, of course, democratically elected. So was Mugabe. So was Mobutu. So was Pol Pot.
But who decides when something goes from utter outrage (the murder of Jo Cox) to freedom fighters (Tiananmen Square)?
I don't have easy answers to that, except to suggest the following.
1. Anyone who incites racial or homophobic or transphobic hatred deserves to be called out for it in a non-violent manner.
2. Anyone who causes such hatred to be actioned or who actions such hatred deserves to feel the force of the law and the law must be robust enough to deal with it.
3. Where the law is in the hands of the despotic, and where all democratic means have failed, then it is permissible for limited action beyond the non-violent.
And now for the bit some of your Alt-Righters won't like. Back to today's milkshaking ...
Farage fits No. 1 above. His Breaking Point poster was a disgrace and he is undoubtedly whipping up hatred, presumably intentionally. He has given ample evidence of this.
I don't 'condone' milkshaking but if Farage is going to play the Game of Hate, he shouldn't be at all surprised when others play it back at him.
> @Theuniondivvie said: > > @Ishmael_Z said: > > > @Norm said: > > > Back in my long distant uni days a guy from an organisation called the Freedom Association was speaking. Suddenly there was a cry of "this man is odious" and a large flower bomb immediately caught him square on the chest. It was surprising and slightly shocking. The poor guy was very shaken. Disappointing some people in this forum condone such behaviour today. > > > > Flour bomb perhaps? > > Begonia pedant.
Could have been in the sixties mind you
If you're going to San Francisco Be sure to put some flour in your hair
I know there's a risk of someone mentioning Godwin, but I wonder if anyone on here would be angry if footage emerged of Adolf Hitler being milkshaked?
No, I didn't think so.
Which begs the question, where is the line drawn and on whom?
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, famously of course, wrestled with this problem and his own conscience. Could he stand idly by whilst Hitler stirred up his vile race hatred? Or was it his Christian duty to participate? Ultimately he felt he could do no other but try to take Hitler's life. He returned from New York to fulfil his duty to his people and to save as many Jews as he could. The bomb plot, rather well portrayed in the film Valkyrie, led to Bonhoeffer's imprisonment and death. The Nazis hanged him on April 9th 1945, almost within earshot of the advancing Allies.
For many years after the war, Bonhoeffer was not considered a 'hero' in Germany, nor anything like it.
We decry those who take up violence against democratically elected people in this country. Hitler himself was, of course, democratically elected. So was Mugabe. So was Mobutu. So was Pol Pot.
But who decides when something goes from utter outrage (the murder of Jo Cox) to freedom fighters (Tiananmen Square)?
I don't have easy answers to that, except to suggest the following.
1. Anyone who incites racial or homophobic or transphobic hatred deserves to be called out for it in a non-violent manner.
2. Anyone who causes such hatred to be actioned or who actions such hatred deserves to feel the force of the law and the law must be robust enough to deal with it.
3. Where the law is in the hands of the despotic, and where all democratic means have failed, then it is permissible for limited action beyond the non-violent.
And now for the bit some of your Alt-Righters won't like. Back to today's milkshaking ...
Farage fits No. 1 above. His Breaking Point poster was a disgrace and he is undoubtedly whipping up hatred, presumably intentionally. He has given ample evidence of this.
I don't 'condone' milkshaking but if Farage is going to play the Game of Hate, he shouldn't be at all surprised when others play it back at him.
Unless you are equating Hitler (who had millions of people killed) to Farage (who, to the best of my knowledge, hasn’t). I’m not sure what your point is.
> I couldn't stand him as a politician but on a personal level there was something very satisfying about Prescott's instinctive reaction when he got egged.
The ex-boxers in the audience will also have recognised a fairly educated straight left.
In the circumstances, I don't think his response was excessive.
I seem to recall that Prezza was an amateur boxer when he worked aboard an ocean liner as waiter/cook or something.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @Cyclefree said: > > > @isam said: > > > Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked > > > > Of course politicians shouldn't be assaulted, especially not at a time when we have had one MP killed, another threatened with death and loons who throw acid at people. > > > > To my mind the recent attack on Corbyn was the most potentially serious because the man actually hit him quite hard with the egg and if that had been a knife it could have been much worse. > > > > But all my life there have been occasions when politicians have had flour and eggs hurled at them - didn't Keith Joseph regularly get pelted with the stuff? > > > > Deplorable as it is, this isn't some hideously horrible new development. > > > > > > True but as you say the circumstances have changed. Back in the 1980s the idea of attacking someone with acid was almost unheard of outside of the gangland mobs. These days it has become frighteningly common. I think times have changed and it is necessary to deal firmly with these sorts of attacks.
I agree. Violence is wrong.
Would you have prosecuted Prescott for punching that voter? If not, why not?
What I don't want to see is MPs or would-be politicians hiding behind security in a way which makes them even more remote.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @brokenwheel said: > > > @Norm said: > > > > @Scott_P said: > > > > Ask not for whom the bell tolls... > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130470539343089664 > > > > > > > > > > Heseltine is a fraud who only veered to the left in Tory party terms after Maggie came to power and put a block on his ambitions (which included becoming leader of the Tory party). > > > > Once he's outside the Tory Party and no longer a "Big Beast" of the Conservative Party maybe we'll stop hearing about every five minutes. > > > > > > > > Fat chance > > I don't know... I think half the reason CUK have crashed and burned is that the likes of Chuka and Soubry have become far less interesting to the media as CHUK MPs than they were as Labour and Conservative MPs... > > Hezza could find that outside of Con all of the media invitations suddenly start drying up....
If Heseltine is being expelled presumably so is Anne Widdecombe and all those other Tories publicly announcing that they are not voting for the Tory party at these elections.
> @Morris_Dancer said: > There was a comment earlier about Buttigieg going on a wide array of platforms (Fox being cited), so thought the site might be interested that he's decided not to have a chat with Dave Rubin: > > twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1129453432488701953
The polarization in the US is bonkers. The likes of Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin have two of the biggest podcasts on the internets, but are now classed by the likes of Vox as "alt-right adjacent" (or some such bollocks) and thus persona non-grata, based on the fact they have dared to interview some odd balls among the 100s of other totally normal mainstream people they have had on.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @Cyclefree said: > > > @isam said: > > > Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked > > > > Of course politicians shouldn't be assaulted, especially not at a time when we have had one MP killed, another threatened with death and loons who throw acid at people. > > > > To my mind the recent attack on Corbyn was the most potentially serious because the man actually hit him quite hard with the egg and if that had been a knife it could have been much worse. > > > > But all my life there have been occasions when politicians have had flour and eggs hurled at them - didn't Keith Joseph regularly get pelted with the stuff? > > > > Deplorable as it is, this isn't some hideously horrible new development. > > > > > > True but as you say the circumstances have changed. Back in the 1980s the idea of attacking someone with acid was almost unheard of outside of the gangland mobs. These days it has become frighteningly common. I think times have changed and it is necessary to deal firmly with these sorts of attacks. <
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It's also stupid on a personal basis, these days - for the perpetrator. The internet never forgets, and never lets you hide.
Paul Crowther's Facebook account is back up, and he's getting physical threats and wild abuse from mad Brexiteers. He'll be regretting this for years.
Gentlemen, step away from the milkshakes. E's not werf it.
If Heseltine is being expelled presumably so is Anne Widdecombe and all those other Tories publicly announcing that they are not voting for the Tory party at these elections.
> @_Anazina_ said: > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > > I couldn't stand him as a politician but on a personal level there was something very satisfying about Prescott's instinctive reaction when he got egged. > > > > The ex-boxers in the audience will also have recognised a fairly educated straight left. > > > > In the circumstances, I don't think his response was excessive. > > I seem to recall that Prezza was an amateur boxer when he worked aboard an ocean liner as waiter/cook or something.
I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me. Just as you can tell whether someone has handled a golf club or snooker cue before, so you can also tell from the way a punch is thrown whether it's educated or otherwise.
Sorry to have to disagree with Cyclefree for once, but Prescott was responding to an attack, and the response was not immoderate. He got a pass from me at the time, and still does.
> Says the worlds worst comedian who can’t even think of a witty retort when someone says he only has one (bad) joke
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> Still waiting for the phone to ring for that one big break... 🙈
Since you say almost exactly the same thing whenever Felton comes up, one might consider that the pot calling the kettle black. Or that you're a bit obsessed.
> Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked
Of course politicians shouldn't be assaulted, especially not at a time when we have had one MP killed, another threatened with death and loons who throw acid at people.
To my mind the recent attack on Corbyn was the most potentially serious because the man actually hit him quite hard with the egg and if that had been a knife it could have been much worse.
But all my life there have been occasions when politicians have had flour and eggs hurled at them - didn't Keith Joseph regularly get pelted with the stuff?
Deplorable as it is, this isn't some hideously horrible new development.
The new development is people who say ‘we have to better than that’ when retaliation is usually suggested, saying these assaults are kind of justified/not condemning them
Since it is now treachery to even campaign to stay in the EU, what has one got to lose by throwing a milkshake too? Perhaps it is time to reclaim a little perspective?
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> > @DavidL said:
> > > @Richard_Nabavi said:
> > > 'Blue collar' is such a strange phrase. I thought it odd thirty years ago, but at least then you could vaguely relate to it. Nowadays it just seems quaint.
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> > It's weird isn't it? Especially in a meeting where everyone is wearing suits. Short of the odd security guard or prison officer does anyone wear a blue collar to work anymore?
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> Presumably if you wear nice pale blue cotton poplin shirts you do.
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> Blue shirts are usually more flattering to men than white. This fashion tip is brought to you by someone who has no shirts, whether blue or white, to her name.
At the risk of showing myself to be a sexist dinosaur as well as a chocolate cappuccino drinker men’s clothing should be functional and reasonably smart. Women have much greater licence.
> > @Pulpstar said:
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> > £5.25 for a milkshake ?!
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> In Newcastle, too!
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> You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-)
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> Looks like an overpriced McDonalds where you think the food is better than it is because it is more expensive.
Went to one in the States and it wasn't much more than a McDonalds and I thought it was very good. Went to one in London and thought it was thoroughly overpriced.
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> Five Guys (UK) is poor – completely overpriced and overhyped. The other standard 'gourmet' burger chains are all superior to it.
In the US it's good because you feel like you're getting a better product with no pretensions, but the UK version seems to have created the opposite effect.
Still waiting for the phone to ring for that one big break... 🙈
One was for White Point (or something similar), with the ad effectively being a housewife taking a break after breakfast but before lunch, and enjoying a glass of wine
> Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked
Of course politicians shouldn't be assaulted, especially not at a time when we have had one MP killed, another threatened with death and loons who throw acid at people.
To my mind the recent attack on Corbyn was the most potentially serious because the man actually hit him quite hard with the egg and if that had been a knife it could have been much worse.
But all my life there have been occasions when politicians have had flour and eggs hurled at them - didn't Keith Joseph regularly get pelted with the stuff?
Deplorable as it is, this isn't some hideously horrible new development.
https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130470539343089664
> > @DavidL said:
> > > @Richard_Nabavi said:
> > > 'Blue collar' is such a strange phrase. I thought it odd thirty years ago, but at least then you could vaguely relate to it. Nowadays it just seems quaint.
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> > It's weird isn't it? Especially in a meeting where everyone is wearing suits. Short of the odd security guard or prison officer does anyone wear a blue collar to work anymore?
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> Presumably if you wear nice pale blue cotton poplin shirts you do.
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> Blue shirts are usually more flattering to men than white. This fashion tip is brought to you by someone who has no shirts, whether blue or white, to her name.
I thought that "Blue Collar" meant "working class" and blue referred to the overalls.
White collar is then the kind of job where you wear a standard man's white shirt with buttons and a collar (with or without a tie). I often see these two categories with a third called "professional", which I always think is condescending to those with a profession but not in the "professional classes".
> https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1130463023280398336
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> Says the worlds worst comedian who can’t even think of a witty retort when someone says he only has one (bad) joke
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> Still waiting for the phone to ring for that one big break... 🙈
He makes a few quid from sending in jokes to quiz shows and spends his life on twitter. In no way is he a comedian.
> > @Pulpstar said:
> > > @Pulpstar said:
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> > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?!
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> > In Newcastle, too!
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> > You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-)
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> > Looks like an overpriced McDonalds where you think the food is better than it is because it is more expensive.
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> Went to one in the States and it wasn't much more than a McDonalds and I thought it was very good. Went to one in London and thought it was thoroughly overpriced.<
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I suspect that milkshake will cost him a lot more than £5.25. He's been completely doxxed on Twitter, he's had to delete his Facebook account, his social media history is being scrutinized by the Offence Gestapo, and it looks like he will lose his job on Sky.
What a twit. And announcing it all on social media?!
> https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1130463023280398336
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> Says the worlds worst comedian who can’t even think of a witty retort when someone says he only has one (bad) joke
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> Still waiting for the phone to ring for that one big break... 🙈
Since you say almost exactly the same thing whenever Felton comes up, one might consider that the pot calling the kettle black. Or that you're a bit obsessed.
> Ask not for whom the bell tolls...
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> https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130470539343089664
I thought he would have already swung out of the Tory Party on a vine, like Tarzan
> Ask not for whom the bell tolls...
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> https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130470539343089664
Heseltine is a fraud who only veered to the left in Tory party terms after Maggie came to power and put a block on his ambitions (which included becoming leader of the Tory party).
> https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1130463023280398336
Or you could condemn both.
> > @Cyclefree said:
> > > @DavidL said:
> > > > @Richard_Nabavi said:
> > > > 'Blue collar' is such a strange phrase. I thought it odd thirty years ago, but at least then you could vaguely relate to it. Nowadays it just seems quaint.
> > >
> > > It's weird isn't it? Especially in a meeting where everyone is wearing suits. Short of the odd security guard or prison officer does anyone wear a blue collar to work anymore?
> >
> >
> > Presumably if you wear nice pale blue cotton poplin shirts you do.
> >
> > Blue shirts are usually more flattering to men than white. This fashion tip is brought to you by someone who has no shirts, whether blue or white, to her name.
>
> At the risk of showing myself to be a sexist dinosaur as well as a chocolate cappuccino drinker men’s clothing should be functional and reasonably smart. Women have much greater licence.
We are worth it.
Pale blue is generally more flattering than white, especially if you have a tan or are blond. It can look great with silver too. If you are dark haired it can make you look unbearably gorgeous.
Dark blue is much much more flattering than black.
Black and white mostly wash people out unless they are deliberately going for the Goth look or do wonderful things with make up. Or the material adds something eg velvet or taffeta.
But there again velvet suits for men are probably not comme il faut in most lawyers' chambers.
> > @Cyclefree said:
> > > @DavidL said:
> > > > @Richard_Nabavi said:
> > > > 'Blue collar' is such a strange phrase. I thought it odd thirty years ago, but at least then you could vaguely relate to it. Nowadays it just seems quaint.
> > >
> > > It's weird isn't it? Especially in a meeting where everyone is wearing suits. Short of the odd security guard or prison officer does anyone wear a blue collar to work anymore?
> >
> >
> > Presumably if you wear nice pale blue cotton poplin shirts you do.
> >
> > Blue shirts are usually more flattering to men than white. This fashion tip is brought to you by someone who has no shirts, whether blue or white, to her name.
>
> I thought that "Blue Collar" meant "working class" and blue referred to the overalls.
> White collar is then the kind of job where you wear a standard man's white shirt with buttons and a collar (with or without a tie). I often see these two categories with a third called "professional", which I always think is condescending to those with a profession but not in the "professional classes".
>
>
weren't "blue collar shirts" made more hardwearing? I think that's the point?
> > @Norm said:
> > Back in my long distant uni days a guy from an organisation called the Freedom Association was speaking. Suddenly there was a cry of "this man is odious" and a large flower bomb immediately caught him square on the chest. It was surprising and slightly shocking. The poor guy was very shaken. Disappointing some people in this forum condone such behaviour today.
>
> Flour bomb perhaps?
Begonia pedant.
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1130463023280398336
>
> Or you could condemn both.
Or just condemn the bad one
> > @Scott_P said:
> > Ask not for whom the bell tolls...
> >
> > https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130470539343089664
>
> Heseltine is a fraud who only veered to the left in Tory party terms after Maggie came to power and put a block on his ambitions (which included becoming leader of the Tory party).
Once he's outside the Tory Party and no longer a "Big Beast" of the Conservative Party maybe we'll stop hearing about every five minutes.
> > @Richard_Tyndall said:
> > I couldn't stand him as a politician but on a personal level there was something very satisfying about Prescott's instinctive reaction when he got egged.
>
> The ex-boxers in the audience will also have recognised a fairly educated straight left.
>
> In the circumstances, I don't think his response was excessive.
I agree.
Fat chance
>
> Heseltine is a fraud who only veered to the left in Tory party terms after Maggie came to power and put a block on his ambitions (which included becoming leader of the Tory party).
Really? He served in her cabinet from 1979-86 and never wavered in his pro-European views.
> > @isam said:
> > Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked
>
> Of course politicians shouldn't be assaulted, especially not at a time when we have had one MP killed, another threatened with death and loons who throw acid at people.
>
> To my mind the recent attack on Corbyn was the most potentially serious because the man actually hit him quite hard with the egg and if that had been a knife it could have been much worse.
>
> But all my life there have been occasions when politicians have had flour and eggs hurled at them - didn't Keith Joseph regularly get pelted with the stuff?
>
> Deplorable as it is, this isn't some hideously horrible new development.
>
>
Not new, certainly, but it would be nice to see him get a couple of weeks chokey, pour decourager les autres.
> Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked
Great comment. 2 parts mewling self-pity, 1 parts "ha ha I bet this'll trigger the libs". The perfect right-wing blend.
> > @isam said:
> > Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked
>
> Of course politicians shouldn't be assaulted, especially not at a time when we have had one MP killed, another threatened with death and loons who throw acid at people.
>
> To my mind the recent attack on Corbyn was the most potentially serious because the man actually hit him quite hard with the egg and if that had been a knife it could have been much worse.
>
> But all my life there have been occasions when politicians have had flour and eggs hurled at them - didn't Keith Joseph regularly get pelted with the stuff?
>
> Deplorable as it is, this isn't some hideously horrible new development.
>
>
True but as you say the circumstances have changed. Back in the 1980s the idea of attacking someone with acid was almost unheard of outside of the gangland mobs. These days it has become frighteningly common. I think times have changed and it is necessary to deal firmly with these sorts of attacks.
More allegations of money laundering, this time from Guido.
https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1129453432488701953
> > @Norm said:
> > > @Scott_P said:
> > > Ask not for whom the bell tolls...
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130470539343089664
>
>
> >
> > Heseltine is a fraud who only veered to the left in Tory party terms after Maggie came to power and put a block on his ambitions (which included becoming leader of the Tory party).
>
> Once he's outside the Tory Party and no longer a "Big Beast" of the Conservative Party maybe we'll stop hearing about every five minutes.
>
>
>
> Fat chance
I don't know... I think half the reason CUK have crashed and burned is that the likes of Chuka and Soubry have become far less interesting to the media as CHUK MPs than they were as Labour and Conservative MPs...
Hezza could find that outside of Con all of the media invitations suddenly start drying up....
No, I didn't think so.
Which begs the question, where is the line drawn and on whom?
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, famously of course, wrestled with this problem and his own conscience. Could he stand idly by whilst Hitler stirred up his vile race hatred? Or was it his Christian duty to participate? Ultimately he felt he could do no other but try to take Hitler's life. He returned from New York to fulfil his duty to his people and to save as many Jews as he could. The bomb plot, rather well portrayed in the film Valkyrie, led to Bonhoeffer's imprisonment and death. The Nazis hanged him on April 9th 1945, almost within earshot of the advancing Allies.
For many years after the war, Bonhoeffer was not considered a 'hero' in Germany, nor anything like it.
We decry those who take up violence against democratically elected people in this country. Hitler himself was, of course, democratically elected. So was Mugabe. So was Mobutu. So was Pol Pot.
But who decides when something goes from utter outrage (the murder of Jo Cox) to freedom fighters (Tiananmen Square)?
I don't have easy answers to that, except to suggest the following.
1. Anyone who incites racial or homophobic or transphobic hatred deserves to be called out for it in a non-violent manner.
2. Anyone who causes such hatred to be actioned or who actions such hatred deserves to feel the force of the law and the law must be robust enough to deal with it.
3. Where the law is in the hands of the despotic, and where all democratic means have failed, then it is permissible for limited action beyond the non-violent.
And now for the bit some of your Alt-Righters won't like. Back to today's milkshaking ...
Farage fits No. 1 above. His Breaking Point poster was a disgrace and he is undoubtedly whipping up hatred, presumably intentionally. He has given ample evidence of this.
I don't 'condone' milkshaking but if Farage is going to play the Game of Hate, he shouldn't be at all surprised when others play it back at him.
> > @Ishmael_Z said:
> > > @Norm said:
> > > Back in my long distant uni days a guy from an organisation called the Freedom Association was speaking. Suddenly there was a cry of "this man is odious" and a large flower bomb immediately caught him square on the chest. It was surprising and slightly shocking. The poor guy was very shaken. Disappointing some people in this forum condone such behaviour today.
> >
> > Flour bomb perhaps?
>
> Begonia pedant.
Could have been in the sixties mind you
If you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to put some flour in your hair
And you also clutch your pearls at the phrase Little Englander.
Funny old world.
> > @Cyclefree said:
> > > @isam said:
> > > Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked
> >
> > Of course politicians shouldn't be assaulted, especially not at a time when we have had one MP killed, another threatened with death and loons who throw acid at people.
> >
> > To my mind the recent attack on Corbyn was the most potentially serious because the man actually hit him quite hard with the egg and if that had been a knife it could have been much worse.
> >
> > But all my life there have been occasions when politicians have had flour and eggs hurled at them - didn't Keith Joseph regularly get pelted with the stuff?
> >
> > Deplorable as it is, this isn't some hideously horrible new development.
> >
> >
>
> True but as you say the circumstances have changed. Back in the 1980s the idea of attacking someone with acid was almost unheard of outside of the gangland mobs. These days it has become frighteningly common. I think times have changed and it is necessary to deal firmly with these sorts of attacks.
I agree. Violence is wrong.
Would you have prosecuted Prescott for punching that voter? If not, why not?
What I don't want to see is MPs or would-be politicians hiding behind security in a way which makes them even more remote.
> > @brokenwheel said:
> > > @Norm said:
> > > > @Scott_P said:
> > > > Ask not for whom the bell tolls...
> > > >
> > > > https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130470539343089664
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Heseltine is a fraud who only veered to the left in Tory party terms after Maggie came to power and put a block on his ambitions (which included becoming leader of the Tory party).
> >
> > Once he's outside the Tory Party and no longer a "Big Beast" of the Conservative Party maybe we'll stop hearing about every five minutes.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fat chance
>
> I don't know... I think half the reason CUK have crashed and burned is that the likes of Chuka and Soubry have become far less interesting to the media as CHUK MPs than they were as Labour and Conservative MPs...
>
> Hezza could find that outside of Con all of the media invitations suddenly start drying up....
If Heseltine is being expelled presumably so is Anne Widdecombe and all those other Tories publicly announcing that they are not voting for the Tory party at these elections.
> There was a comment earlier about Buttigieg going on a wide array of platforms (Fox being cited), so thought the site might be interested that he's decided not to have a chat with Dave Rubin:
>
> twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1129453432488701953
The polarization in the US is bonkers. The likes of Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin have two of the biggest podcasts on the internets, but are now classed by the likes of Vox as "alt-right adjacent" (or some such bollocks) and thus persona non-grata, based on the fact they have dared to interview some odd balls among the 100s of other totally normal mainstream people they have had on.
> > @Cyclefree said:
> > > @isam said:
> > > Feels like we are veering into “women who wear short skirts are fair game for sexual assault” territory on here with regard to who is and isn’t entitled to sympathy for being physically attacked
> >
> > Of course politicians shouldn't be assaulted, especially not at a time when we have had one MP killed, another threatened with death and loons who throw acid at people.
> >
> > To my mind the recent attack on Corbyn was the most potentially serious because the man actually hit him quite hard with the egg and if that had been a knife it could have been much worse.
> >
> > But all my life there have been occasions when politicians have had flour and eggs hurled at them - didn't Keith Joseph regularly get pelted with the stuff?
> >
> > Deplorable as it is, this isn't some hideously horrible new development.
> >
> >
>
> True but as you say the circumstances have changed. Back in the 1980s the idea of attacking someone with acid was almost unheard of outside of the gangland mobs. These days it has become frighteningly common. I think times have changed and it is necessary to deal firmly with these sorts of attacks. <
++++++
It's also stupid on a personal basis, these days - for the perpetrator. The internet never forgets, and never lets you hide.
Paul Crowther's Facebook account is back up, and he's getting physical threats and wild abuse from mad Brexiteers. He'll be regretting this for years.
Gentlemen, step away from the milkshakes. E's not werf it.
> > @Richard_Tyndall said:
>
> > I couldn't stand him as a politician but on a personal level there was something very satisfying about Prescott's instinctive reaction when he got egged.
>
>
>
> The ex-boxers in the audience will also have recognised a fairly educated straight left.
>
>
>
> In the circumstances, I don't think his response was excessive.
>
> I seem to recall that Prezza was an amateur boxer when he worked aboard an ocean liner as waiter/cook or something.
I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me. Just as you can tell whether someone has handled a golf club or snooker cue before, so you can also tell from the way a punch is thrown whether it's educated or otherwise.
Sorry to have to disagree with Cyclefree for once, but Prescott was responding to an attack, and the response was not immoderate. He got a pass from me at the time, and still does.
Any fule kno that isn’t the case
Perhaps it is time to reclaim a little perspective?