> @NickPalmer said: > > @FrancisUrquhart said: > > I still await the outrage from the media over all these attacks on ring wing politicians. When it was Remainers getting horrid things shouted at them by Yellow Vest nutters, it was all about the potential for violence etc etc etc. > > > > Smashing an egg on Corbyn isn't acceptable, nor is throwing milkshakes over Farage...and I don't like either on them. > > Agreed. And even from the viewpoint of anti-Brexit campaigning, it's a stupid distraction. Does anyone say "Oh, Farage has had milk thrown at him, I won't vote Brexit after all"?
If anything, it probably has the opposite effect. The Great British public in the past seem to have had sympathy when politicians have been unfairly targeted / attack overstepped the mark e.g. Gordon Brown certainly got some when the media went OTT on some issues and Cameron got a lot of credit when the father of a disabled child (and Lib Dem activist) ambushed him and was incredibly unreasonable.
> @NickPalmer said: > > @FrancisUrquhart said: > > I still await the outrage from the media over all these attacks on ring wing politicians. When it was Remainers getting horrid things shouted at them by Yellow Vest nutters, it was all about the potential for violence etc etc etc. > > > > Smashing an egg on Corbyn isn't acceptable, nor is throwing milkshakes over Farage...and I don't like either on them. > > Agreed. And even from the viewpoint of anti-Brexit campaigning, it's a stupid distraction. Does anyone say "Oh, Farage has had milk thrown at him, I won't vote Brexit after all"?
I regret to say Nick this is simply Remain blowing its chances.
weve now got to the food fight, can nobody on the Remain side articulate a series of positive arguments as to why we should stay in ? If the strongest case is we dont like Farage it's a lost battle.
Remain has gone from Project Fear to Project Farce.
> @Alanbrooke said: > > @Roger said: > > It makes me feel much more warmly towards Newcastle folk. It's a small inconvenience compared to the damage his disgusting posters wreaked on the reputation of the UK and the sensibilities of refugees everywhere. > > > > This iconic photo reminds me of the one of the would-be rapist Carl Benjamin > > > > https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2011/08/Dessau_by_Henri_Cartier_Bresson.jpg > > so Roger perhaps you can give us guidance > > when Heseltine got spray painted at Manchester Uni that was obviously justified, but now that he is a leading Remainer is it now an outrage ?
Interesting stats - who would you think was spending most money on social media advertising? Brexit Party? No, ChangeUK:
As the Press Association reports, data from the social media network showed Change UK spent a total of £107,442 on the platform in the 30 days from April 19. Nigel Farage’s party - currently leading in several polls - spent £95,222 over the same period, which ran until May 18. (guardian live blog)
Which, unless the election outcome is very different from the polls, shows that enthusiasm for social media adverts should be nuanced - you have to have something interesting to say...
The milkshaking is creating an equivalence between all those who are assaulted by it.
Who'll be next - Boris ?
I'm not sure these minor assaults will have the effect those perpetrating them think it will.
I wonder which story the news will lead with - the funding allegations or the visual impact of the milkshake? And which is actually more damaging (tbh the funding stuff won't get traction at this point, but there is a real story there.)
Quite apart from the distastefulness of any such minor assault (and I said the same about the Corbyn egging) you are quite right that it says more about those who laugh at them than about the victims.
And, yes, Boris.
I think he should have laughed it off rather than get into a huff. The light this kind of thing shines on the double standards of self proclaimed moderates is well worth the dry cleaning bill
> @NickPalmer said: > Interesting stats - who would you think was spending most money on social media advertising? Brexit Party? No, ChangeUK: > > As the Press Association reports, data from the social media network showed Change UK spent a total of £107,442 on the platform in the 30 days from April 19. Nigel Farage’s party - currently leading in several polls - spent £95,222 over the same period, which ran until May 18. (guardian live blog) > > Which, unless the election outcome is very different from the polls, shows that enthusiasm for social media adverts should be nuanced - you have to have something interesting to say...
When Farage spends money it has dark and magical powers though.
A woman in my office was excited about the milkshake and started advocating that someone should shoot Farage as they would be a hero. Thankfully no one was particularly enamored with her views. That's the kind of mindset a substantial minority on the fringes of politics have sadly.
> @isam said: > The milkshaking is creating an equivalence between all those who are assaulted by it. > > Who'll be next - Boris ? > > > > I'm not sure these minor assaults will have the effect those perpetrating them think it will. > > I wonder which story the news will lead with - the funding allegations or the visual impact of the milkshake? And which is actually more damaging (tbh the funding stuff won't get traction at this point, but there is a real story there.) > > Quite apart from the distastefulness of any such minor assault (and I said the same about the Corbyn egging) you are quite right that it says more about those who laugh at them than about the victims. > > And, yes, Boris. > > I think he should have laughed it off rather than get into a huff. The light this kind of thing shines on the double standards of self proclaimed moderates is well worth the dry cleaning bill
A bill that Arron Banks is no doubt picking up anyway.
Actually, David Lammy's Tottenham (maj 34,584) belongs on that list as well. I was filtering by estimated Remain vote (67%) but we have an actual for that constituency of 24%.
Interesting stats - who would you think was spending most money on social media advertising? Brexit Party? No, ChangeUK:
As the Press Association reports, data from the social media network showed Change UK spent a total of £107,442 on the platform in the 30 days from April 19. Nigel Farage’s party - currently leading in several polls - spent £95,222 over the same period, which ran until May 18. (guardian live blog)
Which, unless the election outcome is very different from the polls, shows that enthusiasm for social media adverts should be nuanced - you have to have something interesting to say...
In which case all the parties are wasting their bloody money.
He’s spent years whipping up hatred. As you sow, so do you reap.
He is a politician and has a political message. If hotheads choose to interpret his words as a call to action (and I agree that his EURef poster was vile) that is not his fault and is also a charge that could be laid at the door of many other politicians.
Whoever did this perpetrated a violent action against a politician and whether anyone thinks it ok that he got the equivalent of a bloody good hiding does not legitimate the action.
There, you have got me defending the fucker. That is what that milkshake did.
> @isam > I think he should have laughed it off rather than get into a huff. The light this kind of thing shines on the double standards of self proclaimed moderates is well worth the dry cleaning bill
A bill that Arron Banks is no doubt picking up anyway.
> @TOPPING said: > He’s spent years whipping up hatred. As you sow, so do you reap. > > He is a politician and has a political message. If hotheads choose to interpret his words as a call to action (and I agree that his EURef poster was vile) that is not his fault and is also a charge that could be laid at the door of many other politicians. > > Whoever did this perpetrated a violent action against a politician and whether anyone thinks it ok that he got the equivalent of a bloody good hiding does not legitimate the action. > > There, you have got me defending the fucker. That is what that milkshake did.
I'd say people like Carole Cadwalladr and Jolyon Maugham have done far worse for whipping up division, hatred and lies. I don't advocate throwing milkshakes at them, by ignoring them you drive them of everything they crave.
> @FrancisUrquhart said: > In a way, the most damning thing you can do to a particular politician in public is for everybody to ignore them. > > e.g. The classic photo of John Prescott in the middle of Crewe and absolutely nobody wanting to listen to him.
These moronic milkshake chuckers are cowards - fling and run.
They should go toe to toe for a fight - and risk getting a pasting like Prezza dished out.
> @tlg86 said: > > @Cyclefree said: > > > @tlg86 said: > > > > @Scott_P said: > > > > It's a classic smear. Mention two "scandals" in the same breath and hope people think the two are connected and if they don't think that at least people might think that they are of the same seriousness. > > > > > > > > Paranoid much? > > > > > > > > It's a journalist reporting what is being talked about in Brussels. > > > > > > > > If she had said "party funding and Game of Thrones" would you have got your knickers in such a twist? > > > > > > Had it been Game of Thrones then I doubt @Cyclefree would have asked "are the two connected?" > > > > And you know what I think do you? And what I am likely to ask do you? I would not have understood any reference to Game of Thrones having never seen it and would likely have asked what she was referring to. > > > > Katya Adler is one of the few journalists I pay attention to. So comments from her on what she is hearing in Brussels are worth paying attention to and asking for some more information about. > > > > > > You're a very intelligent person. And yet you still fell for the trick. Why would there be a connection between a political scandal in Austria and an alleged scandal in the UK?
I don't know. That is why I asked the question.
It seems to me inherently implausible that Brussels is buzzing over the Brexit party receiving payments of £5.00 from people based overseas, not least because if they are on the electoral register there is no issue with this.
And, frankly, Brussels has plenty of other things to be buzzing about these days. So I was curious why Katya Adler wrote what she did. She strikes me as pretty level-headed. So I wondered if she was hearing matters that were not being reported in Britain.
I know - from my professional experience - that there are often considerable links between scandals in one country and stories in another. One of the frustrations is that, certainly in the financial world, these links and connections are not followed up properly, either by regulators or the press. So the possibility of there being a connection is not, based on my professional experience, inconceivable. Whether there is any connection at all or any evidence of a potential connection I have no idea.
Hence my question.
You should stop trying, vaguely, to impugn my motives for asking questions. I am an investigator. It is what I do.
A woman in my office was excited about the milkshake and started advocating that someone should shoot Farage as they would be a hero. Thankfully no one was particularly enamored with her views. That's the kind of mindset a substantial minority on the fringes of politics have sadly.
I’ve got to say I surprised that there seem to be so many ‘intelligent remainers’ who seem to think that throwing a milkshake at a ‘thick leaver’ is somehow winning an argument. Farage will milk this for all its worth
> @TOPPING said: > He’s spent years whipping up hatred. As you sow, so do you reap. > > He is a politician and has a political message. If hotheads choose to interpret his words as a call to action (and I agree that his EURef poster was vile) that is not his fault and is also a charge that could be laid at the door of many other politicians. > > Whoever did this perpetrated a violent action against a politician and whether anyone thinks it ok that he got the equivalent of a bloody good hiding does not legitimate the action. > > There, you have got me defending the fucker. That is what that milkshake did.
Of course it’s a rabble-rouser’s fault if a rabble is roused. The dairy intifada is as much his creation as anyone’s.
My occasional readers (both of them) will know that as a younger man I was a soccer referee for about fifteen years. This occupation shares with politics the requirement that you have to get used to handling hostility from time to time and very occasionally are the target of missiles. These are almost invariably innocuous, but there's a short passage of time in which you assess the damage and just don't know how serious it is. Is that liquid running down your neck water, vanilla milkshake or H2SO4? Was the container cardboard, plastic or something more threatening?
> @Tissue_Price said: > > Sorry, I forgot to say that I'd filtered out Scotland as well, as I don't think it's relevant to the point @Pulpstar was making.
Fair enough. It does strike me that Umunna has really mishandled the relationship with his constituency to have ended up on the wrong side of it when it voted so strongly for Remain.
> @isam said: > The milkshaking is creating an equivalence between all those who are assaulted by it. > > Who'll be next - Boris ? > > > > I'm not sure these minor assaults will have the effect those perpetrating them think it will. > > I wonder which story the news will lead with - the funding allegations or the visual impact of the milkshake? And which is actually more damaging (tbh the funding stuff won't get traction at this point, but there is a real story there.) > > Quite apart from the distastefulness of any such minor assault (and I said the same about the Corbyn egging) you are quite right that it says more about those who laugh at them than about the victims. > > And, yes, Boris. > > I think he should have laughed it off rather than get into a huff. The light this kind of thing shines on the double standards of self proclaimed moderates is well worth the dry cleaning bill
He should have laughed it off (publicly anyway) but I imagine when it happens its a real shock and for those few initial seconds when you know you've been hit by something but you're not sure what it is you must feel scared and upset.
It must run through your mind is this milkshake? Is this paint? Is this acid?
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @Norm said: > > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > > > @eristdoof said: > > > > > @Cyclefree said: > > > > > FPT:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What in Boris’s record suggests that he would be a good PM? > > > > > > > > > > Was his time as a very senior Cabinet Minister, for instance, marked by any particular successes or achievements? > > > > > > > > During his time as Foreign Secretary, he managed to annoy many overseas governments, and was a constant joke here in Germany. Lets say the polite opinion was "why was he given such an important job?". > > > > > > > > The UK will really be the laughing stock of western politics if he makes it to PM. > > > > > > This is the real issue with Boris. > > > > > > It is not whether he is an opportunist or duplicitous. Those descriptions apply to most politicians to some degree. > > > It is not that he is a Leave supporter. For many like me that would be an asset not a hindrance. > > > > > > In the end the real problem is he has an almost unique combination of laziness and incompetence which makes him utterly unsuited for any high (or perhaps even low) office. He would be a real disaster for this country if he actually got to be PM. Just as much as Corbyn but in a different way. > > > > I'm not sure you can second guess how good or bad a PM someone will make. A campaign will help and of course had Theresa May been subjected to one we might not have had the last three years of prime ministerial incompetence inflicted upon us. Equally many sang the praises of Gordon Brown before the realities of being in office quickly disabused them. Boris might be perceived as lazy (as some argue Churchill was) or incompetent (perhaps more due not getting to grips with fine detail) but as a prospective PM of our divided country in 2019 his attributes (good PR skills, a sense of positivity going forward) might be more important. > > I am basing my view on his time as Foreign Secretary which was simply execrable. I simply don't believe from that episode that he has the time or inclination to put in the minimum of work necessary to hold high office. Indeed his reliance on PR skills and positivity may well be the very reason why he has not bothered to develop any of the other skills that actually matter.
There is some argument that he is at his best being a keyboard warrior - he has written some thoughtful articles on Brexit and many other issues (he is a journalist after all)- who might not adapt well to the varied and unpredictable demands of being a PM where you need to think quickly on your feet. If that is so you may be correct in saying his stint as Foreign Secretary could be a foretaste of that. It is though quite difficult to be absolutely sure - cometh the hour cometh the man and all that. Some step up, some crumble. If he make the final two I hope his opponent proves a real challenge.
> @Brom said: > > @TOPPING said: > > He’s spent years whipping up hatred. As you sow, so do you reap. > > > > He is a politician and has a political message. If hotheads choose to interpret his words as a call to action (and I agree that his EURef poster was vile) that is not his fault and is also a charge that could be laid at the door of many other politicians. > > > > Whoever did this perpetrated a violent action against a politician and whether anyone thinks it ok that he got the equivalent of a bloody good hiding does not legitimate the action. > > > > There, you have got me defending the fucker. That is what that milkshake did. > > I'd say people like Carole Cadwalladr and Jolyon Maugham have done far worse for whipping up division, hatred and lies. I don't advocate throwing milkshakes at them, by ignoring them you drive them of everything they crave.
Thank goodness ol' Jolyon & Carole never said that they'd be donning khaki and picking up a rifle. Then we'd know we were really in trouble.
My occasional readers (both of them) will know that as a younger man I was a soccer referee for about fifteen years. This occupation shares with politics the requirement that you have to get used to handling hostility from time to time and very occasionally are the target of missiles. These are almost invariably innocuous, but there's a short passage of time in which you assess the damage and just don't know how serious it is. Is that liquid running down your neck water, vanilla milkshake or H2SO4? Was the container cardboard, plastic or something more threatening?
It ain't funny. It's scary. It's never justified.
Think about it.
Yes, and in any case any kind of sudden attack on you, even if objectively relatively harmless, causes an immediate emotional reaction. It's just not acceptable behaviour, and never has been.
> @Gallowgate said: > A woman in my office was excited about the milkshake and started advocating that someone should shoot Farage as they would be a hero. Thankfully no one was particularly enamored with her views. That's the kind of mindset a substantial minority on the fringes of politics have sadly. > > Yeah. That definitely happened.
Now swap that around for Corbyn attacked in local pub by a group of neon axis and we’d never hear th end of it. There is something about Farage that makes some people lose all sense of reason. When they attack him he looks like he is a victim and his views are being suppressed.
> @FF43 said: > > @FF43 said: > > > > @FF43 said: > > > > > > > > @Mysticrose said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally the best thing you will ever see on twitter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/seddonnews/status/1130446247171710976 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if thats the best thing Ill ever see Im glad I dont use it. Man gets milk on suit is hardly life changing, all it will do is generate sympathy for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. In a liberal democracy fascists, especially, need to be protected from having milkshakes thrown at them. > > > > > > > > > > > > ya, you may need to look up the meaning of the word liberal > > > > > > I thought I did know the meaning of the word liberal. Please correct me ? > > > > I think the inference was that having a titter at fascists being dowsed in dairy products is not liberal. > > Saying even fascists have the right to be milkshake-free is the epitome of liberalism, no?
> @Nemtynakht said: > > @Gallowgate said: > > A woman in my office was excited about the milkshake and started advocating that someone should shoot Farage as they would be a hero. Thankfully no one was particularly enamored with her views. That's the kind of mindset a substantial minority on the fringes of politics have sadly. > > > > Yeah. That definitely happened. > > Well > > https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2015-03-22/farage-brands-protestors-scum-after-being-attacked-in-kent-pub/ > > Now swap that around for Corbyn attacked in local pub by a group of neon axis and we’d never hear th end of it. There is something about Farage that makes some people lose all sense of reason. When they attack him he looks like he is a victim and his views are being suppressed.
I said this yesterday.
Imagine if Vince Cable or David Lammy got milkshaked by a Leaver? It would be the number one news item on the BBC and the poilice would be involved.
> @DavidL said: > > @Richard_Nabavi said: > > 'Blue collar' is such a strange phrase. I thought it odd thirty years ago, but at least then you could vaguely relate to it. Nowadays it just seems quaint. > > It's weird isn't it? Especially in a meeting where everyone is wearing suits. Short of the odd security guard or prison officer does anyone wear a blue collar to work anymore?
Presumably if you wear nice pale blue cotton poplin shirts you do.
Blue shirts are usually more flattering to men than white. This fashion tip is brought to you by someone who has no shirts, whether blue or white, to her name.
> @Gallowgate said: > A woman in my office was excited about the milkshake and started advocating that someone should shoot Farage as they would be a hero. Thankfully no one was particularly enamored with her views. That's the kind of mindset a substantial minority on the fringes of politics have sadly. > > Yeah. That definitely happened.
100% her name is Nicola, she's a lesbian and she works for a FTSE 100 company. I can give you a lot more details if for some reason you were interested, but that's by the by. There are a lot more people with these views than you think, you often only need to take a look at their social media profiles to see how detached from reality they can become due to anger.
I'm curious about that tweet. He seems very confident he won't get arrested. What is the law on all this? e.g. Did the guy who egged Corbyn get handcuffed?
> @TOPPING said: > Of course it’s a rabble-rouser’s fault if a rabble is roused. The dairy intifada is as much his creation as anyone’s. > > Where does rabble rouser end and conviction politician begin?
> @Byronic said: > > I'm curious about that tweet. He seems very confident he won't get arrested. What is the law on all this? e.g. Did the guy who egged Corbyn get handcuffed? > >
> Probably can’t delete it while he is in police custody.<
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I'm curious about that tweet. He seems very confident he won't get arrested. What is the law on all this? e.g. Did the guy who egged Corbyn get handcuffed?
Given that he thinks throwing milkshake over someone is a way to conduct political debate, it doesn’t surprise me if he would be too thick to appreciate the consequences of his actions.
> @Richard_Nabavi said: > My occasional readers (both of them) will know that as a younger man I was a soccer referee for about fifteen years. This occupation shares with politics the requirement that you have to get used to handling hostility from time to time and very occasionally are the target of missiles. These are almost invariably innocuous, but there's a short passage of time in which you assess the damage and just don't know how serious it is. Is that liquid running down your neck water, vanilla milkshake or H2SO4? Was the container cardboard, plastic or something more threatening? > > It ain't funny. It's scary. It's never justified. > > > Think about it. > > Yes, and in any case any kind of sudden attack on you, even if objectively relatively harmless, causes an immediate emotional reaction. It's just not acceptable behaviour, and never has been.
Thanks Richard. That is exactly the point. In the moment you are hit you have absolutely no idea what you have been hit by. If you knew in advance what was coming it still wouldn't be fun but it would be a darn sight less scary. That ugly awful moment when you know you have been hit but you don't know by what is a bad one. Don't care who is on the receiving end. It's frightening, it's wrong.
Look: the really important question is why anyone over the age of, ooh about 6, would drink a milkshake.
Aren't milkshakes the equivalent of cappuccinos with chocolate on top i.e. disgusting drinks but useful as a way of identifying British people without having to hear them speak?
(I realise, of course, that were I ever to stand for office I have now lost the @Nigelb and @DavidL vote and the milkshake vote unless I indulge in some shameless Boris-style reverse ferret.)
> @Brom said: > > @Gallowgate said: > > A woman in my office was excited about the milkshake and started advocating that someone should shoot Farage as they would be a hero. Thankfully no one was particularly enamored with her views. That's the kind of mindset a substantial minority on the fringes of politics have sadly. > > > > Yeah. That definitely happened. > > 100% her name is Nicola, she's a lesbian and she works for a FTSE 100 company. I can give you a lot more details if for some reason you were interested, but that's by the by. There are a lot more people with these views than you think, you often only need to take a look at their social media profiles to see how detached from reality they can become due to anger.
If asked to justify herself then I could well imagine that she might claim that Farage holds bigoted views equivalent to those of neo-nazi extremists.
And a mainstream political party is encouraging her to believe precisely that. See thread header.
> There is some argument that he is at his best being a keyboard warrior - he has written some thoughtful articles on Brexit and many other issues (he is a journalist after all)- who might not adapt well to the varied and unpredictable demands of being a PM where you need to think quickly on your feet. If that is so you may be correct in saying his stint as Foreign Secretary could be a foretaste of that. It is though quite difficult to be absolutely sure - cometh the hour cometh the man and all that. Some step up, some crumble. If he make the final two I hope his opponent proves a real challenge.
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I would agree that you can't really judge someone completely based on their past performance and that Boris may surprise. I just doubt it is going to happen. He likes to compare himself to Churchill but Winston displayed a lot of personal and political courage even if he was not the nicest of people at times. Boris seems to have the worst bits of Churchill - the ambition and ruthlessness - without any of the god bits.
Indeed I can't see Churchill having passed up the golden opportunity to become PM in the way that Boris did.
> @TOPPING said: > Of course it’s a rabble-rouser’s fault if a rabble is roused. The dairy intifada is as much his creation as anyone’s. > > Where does rabble rouser end and conviction politician begin?
That’s not a question that has ever troubled Nigel Farage before.
You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-)
The phoney, high moral ground, centrist liberalism of not just taking out Jihadi John, or leaving Shamima Begum to rot in Syria etc because “We’re better than that” disintegrates when it comes to condemning assault on someone they lose a democratic vote to
> @Byronic said: > > @williamglenn said: > > > @Byronic said: > > > > > > I'm curious about that tweet. He seems very confident he won't get arrested. What is the law on all this? e.g. Did the guy who egged Corbyn get handcuffed? > > > > > > > > > > He was arrested. > > > > https://twitter.com/tommywilkinson/status/1130461476769157120<; > > ++++++ > > Thanks. Wonder what they'll do to him. Arguably the state has an interest in handing out a deterrent sentence, in case this craze gets out of hand.
"My milkshake brings all the boys from the Yard...."
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @Norm said: > > > There is some argument that he is at his best being a keyboard warrior - he has written some thoughtful articles on Brexit and many other issues (he is a journalist after all)- who might not adapt well to the varied and unpredictable demands of being a PM where you need to think quickly on your feet. If that is so you may be correct in saying his stint as Foreign Secretary could be a foretaste of that. It is though quite difficult to be absolutely sure - cometh the hour cometh the man and all that. Some step up, some crumble. If he make the final two I hope his opponent proves a real challenge. > > ------------- > > I would agree that you can't really judge someone completely based on their past performance and that Boris may surprise. I just doubt it is going to happen. He likes to compare himself to Churchill but Winston displayed a lot of personal and political courage even if he was not the nicest of people at times. Boris seems to have the worst bits of Churchill - the ambition and ruthlessness - without any of the god bits. > > Indeed I can't see Churchill having passed up the golden opportunity to become PM in the way that Boris did.
Churchill’s second letter making the case for appeasement has certainly never surfaced.
> @MarqueeMark said: > > @Byronic said: > > > @williamglenn said: > > > > @Byronic said: > > > > > > > > I'm curious about that tweet. He seems very confident he won't get arrested. What is the law on all this? e.g. Did the guy who egged Corbyn get handcuffed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was arrested. > > > > > > https://twitter.com/tommywilkinson/status/1130461476769157120<; > > > > ++++++ > > > > Thanks. Wonder what they'll do to him. Arguably the state has an interest in handing out a deterrent sentence, in case this craze gets out of hand. > > "My milkshake brings all the boys from the Yard...."
> > > I'm curious about that tweet. He seems very confident he won't get arrested. What is the law on all this? e.g. Did the guy who egged Corbyn get handcuffed?
Back in my long distant uni days a guy from an organisation called the Freedom Association was speaking. Suddenly there was a cry of "this man is odious" and a large flour bomb immediately caught him square on the chest. It was surprising and slightly shocking. The poor guy was very shaken. Disappointing some people in this forum condone such behaviour today.
> @Cyclefree said: > Look: the really important question is why anyone over the age of, ooh about 6, would drink a milkshake. > > Aren't milkshakes the equivalent of cappuccinos with chocolate on top i.e. disgusting drinks but useful as a way of identifying British people without having to hear them speak? > > (I realise, of course, that were I ever to stand for office I have now lost the @Nigelb and @DavidL vote and the milkshake vote unless I indulge in some shameless Boris-style reverse ferret.)<
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Have you seen Paul Crowther's photo? He doesn't look like a man who cares about calories. Or gets much sex, either, TBH.
> Probably can’t delete it while he is in police custody.<
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I'm curious about that tweet. He seems very confident he won't get arrested. What is the law on all this? e.g. Did the guy who egged Corbyn get handcuffed?
He is very close to Monument metro (Newcastle tube) station – surprised he didn't use that as a means of escape and hide out in Tynemouth.
> @Norm said: > Back in my long distant uni days a guy from an organisation called the Freedom Association was speaking. Suddenly there was a cry of "this man is odious" and a large flower bomb immediately caught him square on the chest. It was surprising and slightly shocking. The poor guy was very shaken. Disappointing some people in this forum condone such behaviour today.
> @IanB2 said: > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > > @Norm said: > > > > > There is some argument that he is at his best being a keyboard warrior - he has written some thoughtful articles on Brexit and many other issues (he is a journalist after all)- who might not adapt well to the varied and unpredictable demands of being a PM where you need to think quickly on your feet. If that is so you may be correct in saying his stint as Foreign Secretary could be a foretaste of that. It is though quite difficult to be absolutely sure - cometh the hour cometh the man and all that. Some step up, some crumble. If he make the final two I hope his opponent proves a real challenge. > > > > ------------- > > > > I would agree that you can't really judge someone completely based on their past performance and that Boris may surprise. I just doubt it is going to happen. He likes to compare himself to Churchill but Winston displayed a lot of personal and political courage even if he was not the nicest of people at times. Boris seems to have the worst bits of Churchill - the ambition and ruthlessness - without any of the god bits. > > > > Indeed I can't see Churchill having passed up the golden opportunity to become PM in the way that Boris did. > > Churchill’s second letter making the case for appeasement has certainly never surfaced.
LOL. Indeed. I may not have agreed with all of Churchill's principles and beliefs but at least he had some. I am not sure the same can be said for Boris.
You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-)
Looks like an overpriced McDonalds where you think the food is better than it is because it is more expensive.
> > > > > > Think about it. > > > > Yes, and in any case any kind of sudden attack on you, even if objectively relatively harmless, causes an immediate emotional reaction. It's just not acceptable behaviour, and never has been. > > Thanks Richard. That is exactly the point. In the moment you are hit you have absolutely no idea what you have been hit by. If you knew in advance what was coming it still wouldn't be fun but it would be a darn sight less scary. That ugly awful moment when you know you have been hit but you don't know by what is a bad one. Don't care who is on the receiving end. It's frightening, it's wrong.<
> @Ishmael_Z said: > > @Norm said: > > Back in my long distant uni days a guy from an organisation called the Freedom Association was speaking. Suddenly there was a cry of "this man is odious" and a large flower bomb immediately caught him square on the chest. It was surprising and slightly shocking. The poor guy was very shaken. Disappointing some people in this forum condone such behaviour today. > > Flour bomb perhaps?
> @Pulpstar said: > > @Pulpstar said: > > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?! > > > > In Newcastle, too! > > > @Pulpstar said: > > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?! > > > > You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-) > > Looks like an overpriced McDonalds where you think the food is better than it is because it is more expensive.
It is better, but yes, it is clearly marketed "upwards" in the UK. In America it is only a bit more expensive than McDonalds or BK.
> @TheWhiteRabbit said: > > @Pulpstar said: > > > @Pulpstar said: > > > > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?! > > > > > > > > In Newcastle, too! > > > > > @Pulpstar said: > > > > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?! > > > > > > > > You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-) > > > > Looks like an overpriced McDonalds where you think the food is better than it is because it is more expensive. > > It is better, but yes, it is clearly marketed "upwards" in the UK. In America it is only a bit more expensive than McDonalds or BK.
IMO, its much better in the US than it is in the UK.
Back in my long distant uni days a guy from an organisation called the Freedom Association was speaking. Suddenly there was a cry of "this man is odious" and a large flour bomb immediately caught him square on the chest. It was surprising and slightly shocking. The poor guy was very shaken. Disappointing some people in this forum condone such behaviour today.
Didn’t you get the memo? Farage is a fascist and deserves every milkshake he gets.
> @Byronic said: > > @Cyclefree said: > > Look: the really important question is why anyone over the age of, ooh about 6, would drink a milkshake. > > > > Aren't milkshakes the equivalent of cappuccinos with chocolate on top i.e. disgusting drinks but useful as a way of identifying British people without having to hear them speak? > > > > (I realise, of course, that were I ever to stand for office I have now lost the @Nigelb and @DavidL vote and the milkshake vote unless I indulge in some shameless Boris-style reverse ferret.)< > > +++++ > > Have you seen Paul Crowther's photo? He doesn't look like a man who cares about calories. Or gets much sex, either, TBH. > > https://twitter.com/conorh_96/status/1130461937278619648
He looks like he consumes W-A-Y more than he chucks.....
That's fairly standard down here. And Newcastle is an expensive city these days – as it has become fashionable. My wife is from there and it's notably only slightly cheaper for a night out than London.
I couldn't stand him as a politician but on a personal level there was something very satisfying about Prescott's instinctive reaction when he got egged.
Farage should just pour one over himself in the next leaverstan shit hole on the schedule to spike the guns of the milkshake militia. Banks can front him the £5.25.
> Look: the really important question is why anyone over the age of, ooh about 6, would drink a milkshake.
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> Aren't milkshakes the equivalent of cappuccinos with chocolate on top i.e. disgusting drinks but useful as a way of identifying British people without having to hear them speak?
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Have you seen Paul Crowther's photo? He doesn't look like a man who cares about calories. Or gets much sex, either, TBH.
> > You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-)
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> It is better, but yes, it is clearly marketed "upwards" in the UK. In America it is only a bit more expensive than McDonalds or BK.
IMO, its much better in the US than it is in the UK.
Five Guys (UK) is poor – completely overpriced and overhyped. The other standard 'gourmet' burger chains are all superior to it.
> @FrancisUrquhart said: > > @TheWhiteRabbit said: > > > @Pulpstar said: > > > > @Pulpstar said: > > > > > > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?! > > > > > > > > > > > > In Newcastle, too! > > > > > > > @Pulpstar said: > > > > > > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?! > > > > > > > > > > > > You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-) > > > > > > Looks like an overpriced McDonalds where you think the food is better than it is because it is more expensive. > > > > It is better, but yes, it is clearly marketed "upwards" in the UK. In America it is only a bit more expensive than McDonalds or BK. > > IMO, its much better in the US than it is in the UK.
Well, in my mind, something that's roughly a third cheaper always tastes better
> @TOPPING said: > That’s not a question that has ever troubled Nigel Farage before. > > I don't take Nigel Farage as my political role or behavioural model.
Then you will understand why I don’t have the slightest sympathy for a man who has been a major contributor to the current political climate. It turns out if you talk of traitors and whip up hatred, your opponents respond to the stimuli.
> @AlastairMeeks said: > > @TOPPING said: > > That’s not a question that has ever troubled Nigel Farage before. > > > > I don't take Nigel Farage as my political role or behavioural model. > > Then you will understand why I don’t have the slightest sympathy for a man who has been a major contributor to the current political climate. It turns out if you talk of traitors and whip up hatred, your opponents respond to the stimuli. > > The country is much the worse for it, of course.
Do you have any problem with Guy Verhofstadt using the word traitor?
Back in November 2013, I was walking along one of the slip-roads on the ringway in Coventry, the evening before I was due to start work at Warwick Uni (I left there in September last year), when suddenly a car sped by, and someone used (what was presumably) a water pistol to shoot some liquid or other at me that happened to land almost right in my ear. In a panic, I ran over to a nearby public loos to wash my ear, but thankfully it seemed to be nothing more than water.
But suppose, just suppose, it had been wee, or even worse, acid?
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > I couldn't stand him as a politician but on a personal level there was something very satisfying about Prescott's instinctive reaction when he got egged.
The ex-boxers in the audience will also have recognised a fairly educated straight left.
In the circumstances, I don't think his response was excessive.
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> > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > I still await the outrage from the media over all these attacks on ring wing politicians. When it was Remainers getting horrid things shouted at them by Yellow Vest nutters, it was all about the potential for violence etc etc etc.
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> > Smashing an egg on Corbyn isn't acceptable, nor is throwing milkshakes over Farage...and I don't like either on them.
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> Agreed. And even from the viewpoint of anti-Brexit campaigning, it's a stupid distraction. Does anyone say "Oh, Farage has had milk thrown at him, I won't vote Brexit after all"?
If anything, it probably has the opposite effect. The Great British public in the past seem to have had sympathy when politicians have been unfairly targeted / attack overstepped the mark e.g. Gordon Brown certainly got some when the media went OTT on some issues and Cameron got a lot of credit when the father of a disabled child (and Lib Dem activist) ambushed him and was incredibly unreasonable.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/may/20/bayern-munich-celebrate-toughest-title-years-arjen-robben-franck-ribery-send-off-party#img-1
* Dowsing would be more useful, but, alas.
> > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > I still await the outrage from the media over all these attacks on ring wing politicians. When it was Remainers getting horrid things shouted at them by Yellow Vest nutters, it was all about the potential for violence etc etc etc.
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> > Smashing an egg on Corbyn isn't acceptable, nor is throwing milkshakes over Farage...and I don't like either on them.
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> Agreed. And even from the viewpoint of anti-Brexit campaigning, it's a stupid distraction. Does anyone say "Oh, Farage has had milk thrown at him, I won't vote Brexit after all"?
I regret to say Nick this is simply Remain blowing its chances.
weve now got to the food fight, can nobody on the Remain side articulate a series of positive arguments as to why we should stay in ? If the strongest case is we dont like Farage it's a lost battle.
Remain has gone from Project Fear to Project Farce.
> > @Roger said:
> > It makes me feel much more warmly towards Newcastle folk. It's a small inconvenience compared to the damage his disgusting posters wreaked on the reputation of the UK and the sensibilities of refugees everywhere.
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> > This iconic photo reminds me of the one of the would-be rapist Carl Benjamin
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> so Roger perhaps you can give us guidance
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> when Heseltine got spray painted at Manchester Uni that was obviously justified, but now that he is a leading Remainer is it now an outrage ?
Which just shows the hypocrisy on display here.
As the Press Association reports, data from the social media network showed Change UK spent a total of £107,442 on the platform in the 30 days from April 19. Nigel Farage’s party - currently leading in several polls - spent £95,222 over the same period, which ran until May 18. (guardian live blog)
Which, unless the election outcome is very different from the polls, shows that enthusiasm for social media adverts should be nuanced - you have to have something interesting to say...
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Thank you.
e.g. The classic photo of John Prescott in the middle of Crewe and absolutely nobody wanting to listen to him.
Labour
- Hackney South and Shoreditch 37,931
- Bristol West 37,336
- Liverpool Riverside 35,947
- Hackney North and Stoke Newington 35,139
- Lewisham Deptford 34,899
- Islington North 33,215
- Hornsey & Wood Green 30,738
- Holborn and St Pancras 30,509
- Manchester Withington 29,875
- Dulwich and West Norwood 28,156
- Streatham 26,285
- Islington South and Finsbury 20,263
- Vauxhall 20,250
- Hampstead and Kilburn 15,560
- Tooting 15,458
- Ealing Cent and Acton 13,807
- Bermondsey and Old Southwark 12,972
- Cambridge 12,661
- Battersea 2,416
Conservative- Chelsea and Fulham 8,188
- Wimbledon 5,622
- Cities of London and Westminster 3,148
- Putney 1,554
- Richmond Park 45
Green> Interesting stats - who would you think was spending most money on social media advertising? Brexit Party? No, ChangeUK:
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> Which, unless the election outcome is very different from the polls, shows that enthusiasm for social media adverts should be nuanced - you have to have something interesting to say...
When Farage spends money it has dark and magical powers though.
> The milkshaking is creating an equivalence between all those who are assaulted by it.
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> Quite apart from the distastefulness of any such minor assault (and I said the same about the Corbyn egging) you are quite right that it says more about those who laugh at them than about the victims.
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> I think he should have laughed it off rather than get into a huff. The light this kind of thing shines on the double standards of self proclaimed moderates is well worth the dry cleaning bill
A bill that Arron Banks is no doubt picking up anyway.
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What list are you using? Edinburgh North & Leith is missing from it.
Whoever did this perpetrated a violent action against a politician and whether anyone thinks it ok that he got the equivalent of a bloody good hiding does not legitimate the action.
There, you have got me defending the fucker. That is what that milkshake did.
> He’s spent years whipping up hatred. As you sow, so do you reap.
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> He is a politician and has a political message. If hotheads choose to interpret his words as a call to action (and I agree that his EURef poster was vile) that is not his fault and is also a charge that could be laid at the door of many other politicians.
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> Whoever did this perpetrated a violent action against a politician and whether anyone thinks it ok that he got the equivalent of a bloody good hiding does not legitimate the action.
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> There, you have got me defending the fucker. That is what that milkshake did.
I'd say people like Carole Cadwalladr and Jolyon Maugham have done far worse for whipping up division, hatred and lies. I don't advocate throwing milkshakes at them, by ignoring them you drive them of everything they crave.
> In a way, the most damning thing you can do to a particular politician in public is for everybody to ignore them.
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> e.g. The classic photo of John Prescott in the middle of Crewe and absolutely nobody wanting to listen to him.
These moronic milkshake chuckers are cowards - fling and run.
They should go toe to toe for a fight - and risk getting a pasting like Prezza dished out.
But they wont as they are utter fannies.
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> > > > It's a classic smear. Mention two "scandals" in the same breath and hope people think the two are connected and if they don't think that at least people might think that they are of the same seriousness.
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> > > > If she had said "party funding and Game of Thrones" would you have got your knickers in such a twist?
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> You're a very intelligent person. And yet you still fell for the trick. Why would there be a connection between a political scandal in Austria and an alleged scandal in the UK?
I don't know. That is why I asked the question.
It seems to me inherently implausible that Brussels is buzzing over the Brexit party receiving payments of £5.00 from people based overseas, not least because if they are on the electoral register there is no issue with this.
And, frankly, Brussels has plenty of other things to be buzzing about these days. So I was curious why Katya Adler wrote what she did. She strikes me as pretty level-headed. So I wondered if she was hearing matters that were not being reported in Britain.
I know - from my professional experience - that there are often considerable links between scandals in one country and stories in another. One of the frustrations is that, certainly in the financial world, these links and connections are not followed up properly, either by regulators or the press. So the possibility of there being a connection is not, based on my professional experience, inconceivable. Whether there is any connection at all or any evidence of a potential connection I have no idea.
Hence my question.
You should stop trying, vaguely, to impugn my motives for asking questions. I am an investigator. It is what I do.
> He’s spent years whipping up hatred. As you sow, so do you reap.
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> He is a politician and has a political message. If hotheads choose to interpret his words as a call to action (and I agree that his EURef poster was vile) that is not his fault and is also a charge that could be laid at the door of many other politicians.
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> Whoever did this perpetrated a violent action against a politician and whether anyone thinks it ok that he got the equivalent of a bloody good hiding does not legitimate the action.
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> There, you have got me defending the fucker. That is what that milkshake did.
Of course it’s a rabble-rouser’s fault if a rabble is roused. The dairy intifada is as much his creation as anyone’s.
It ain't funny. It's scary. It's never justified.
Think about it.
https://twitter.com/themadbrewery/status/1130443053913788417
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Fair enough. It does strike me that Umunna has really mishandled the relationship with his constituency to have ended up on the wrong side of it when it voted so strongly for Remain.
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> Quite apart from the distastefulness of any such minor assault (and I said the same about the Corbyn egging) you are quite right that it says more about those who laugh at them than about the victims.
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> I think he should have laughed it off rather than get into a huff. The light this kind of thing shines on the double standards of self proclaimed moderates is well worth the dry cleaning bill
He should have laughed it off (publicly anyway) but I imagine when it happens its a real shock and for those few initial seconds when you know you've been hit by something but you're not sure what it is you must feel scared and upset.
It must run through your mind is this milkshake? Is this paint? Is this acid?
However Farage stirred up a lot of hate during the EU ref campaign , sadly a milk shake wasn’t used against Jo Cox but a gun .
So Farage should quit trying to play the martyr , if he was such a tough guy he would have just continued but instead he ran off to his car .
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well he won't be hard to unmask. Tweets suggest he's a Labour supporter.
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> > > @Richard_Tyndall said:
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There is some argument that he is at his best being a keyboard warrior - he has written some thoughtful articles on Brexit and many other issues (he is a journalist after all)- who might not adapt well to the varied and unpredictable demands of being a PM where you need to think quickly on your feet. If that is so you may be correct in saying his stint as Foreign Secretary could be a foretaste of that. It is though quite difficult to be absolutely sure - cometh the hour cometh the man and all that. Some step up, some crumble. If he make the final two I hope his opponent proves a real challenge.
Has May unveiled her exciting, bold new failure yet?
> > @TOPPING said:
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> I'd say people like Carole Cadwalladr and Jolyon Maugham have done far worse for whipping up division, hatred and lies. I don't advocate throwing milkshakes at them, by ignoring them you drive them of everything they crave.
Thank goodness ol' Jolyon & Carole never said that they'd be donning khaki and picking up a rifle. Then we'd know we were really in trouble.
> A woman in my office was excited about the milkshake and started advocating that someone should shoot Farage as they would be a hero. Thankfully no one was particularly enamored with her views. That's the kind of mindset a substantial minority on the fringes of politics have sadly.
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Well
https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2015-03-22/farage-brands-protestors-scum-after-being-attacked-in-kent-pub/
Now swap that around for Corbyn attacked in local pub by a group of neon axis and we’d never hear th end of it. There is something about Farage that makes some people lose all sense of reason. When they attack him he looks like he is a victim and his views are being suppressed.
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Is Nigel Farage a fascist, really?
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> > @Gallowgate said:
> > A woman in my office was excited about the milkshake and started advocating that someone should shoot Farage as they would be a hero. Thankfully no one was particularly enamored with her views. That's the kind of mindset a substantial minority on the fringes of politics have sadly.
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> Now swap that around for Corbyn attacked in local pub by a group of neon axis and we’d never hear th end of it. There is something about Farage that makes some people lose all sense of reason. When they attack him he looks like he is a victim and his views are being suppressed.
I said this yesterday.
Imagine if Vince Cable or David Lammy got milkshaked by a Leaver? It would be the number one news item on the BBC and the poilice would be involved.
> > @Richard_Nabavi said:
> > 'Blue collar' is such a strange phrase. I thought it odd thirty years ago, but at least then you could vaguely relate to it. Nowadays it just seems quaint.
>
> It's weird isn't it? Especially in a meeting where everyone is wearing suits. Short of the odd security guard or prison officer does anyone wear a blue collar to work anymore?
Presumably if you wear nice pale blue cotton poplin shirts you do.
Blue shirts are usually more flattering to men than white. This fashion tip is brought to you by someone who has no shirts, whether blue or white, to her name.
> A woman in my office was excited about the milkshake and started advocating that someone should shoot Farage as they would be a hero. Thankfully no one was particularly enamored with her views. That's the kind of mindset a substantial minority on the fringes of politics have sadly.
>
> Yeah. That definitely happened.
100% her name is Nicola, she's a lesbian and she works for a FTSE 100 company. I can give you a lot more details if for some reason you were interested, but that's by the by. There are a lot more people with these views than you think, you often only need to take a look at their social media profiles to see how detached from reality they can become due to anger.
I refer, of course, to the misuse of ‘literally’.
> The perpetrator:
>
>
>
> https://twitter.com/themadbrewery/status/1130443053913788417
>
>
>
> Probably can’t delete it while he is in police custody.<
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I'm curious about that tweet. He seems very confident he won't get arrested. What is the law on all this? e.g. Did the guy who egged Corbyn get handcuffed?
https://twitter.com/MarkReckless/status/1130453318558470146
> Of course it’s a rabble-rouser’s fault if a rabble is roused. The dairy intifada is as much his creation as anyone’s.
>
> Where does rabble rouser end and conviction politician begin?
I think he's calling you "rabble" Mr T :-)
>
> I'm curious about that tweet. He seems very confident he won't get arrested. What is the law on all this? e.g. Did the guy who egged Corbyn get handcuffed?
>
>
He was arrested.
https://twitter.com/tommywilkinson/status/1130461476769157120
> My occasional readers (both of them) will know that as a younger man I was a soccer referee for about fifteen years. This occupation shares with politics the requirement that you have to get used to handling hostility from time to time and very occasionally are the target of missiles. These are almost invariably innocuous, but there's a short passage of time in which you assess the damage and just don't know how serious it is. Is that liquid running down your neck water, vanilla milkshake or H2SO4? Was the container cardboard, plastic or something more threatening?
>
> It ain't funny. It's scary. It's never justified.
>
>
> Think about it.
>
> Yes, and in any case any kind of sudden attack on you, even if objectively relatively harmless, causes an immediate emotional reaction. It's just not acceptable behaviour, and never has been.
Thanks Richard. That is exactly the point. In the moment you are hit you have absolutely no idea what you have been hit by. If you knew in advance what was coming it still wouldn't be fun but it would be a darn sight less scary. That ugly awful moment when you know you have been hit but you don't know by what is a bad one. Don't care who is on the receiving end. It's frightening, it's wrong.
Aren't milkshakes the equivalent of cappuccinos with chocolate on top i.e. disgusting drinks but useful as a way of identifying British people without having to hear them speak?
(I realise, of course, that were I ever to stand for office I have now lost the @Nigelb and @DavidL vote and the milkshake vote unless I indulge in some shameless Boris-style reverse ferret.)
> > @Gallowgate said:
> > A woman in my office was excited about the milkshake and started advocating that someone should shoot Farage as they would be a hero. Thankfully no one was particularly enamored with her views. That's the kind of mindset a substantial minority on the fringes of politics have sadly.
> >
> > Yeah. That definitely happened.
>
> 100% her name is Nicola, she's a lesbian and she works for a FTSE 100 company. I can give you a lot more details if for some reason you were interested, but that's by the by. There are a lot more people with these views than you think, you often only need to take a look at their social media profiles to see how detached from reality they can become due to anger.
If asked to justify herself then I could well imagine that she might claim that Farage holds bigoted views equivalent to those of neo-nazi extremists.
And a mainstream political party is encouraging her to believe precisely that. See thread header.
> Anyway, looks like TSE's best friend has leaked this evening's Welsh Political Barometer results;
>
> https://twitter.com/MarkReckless/status/1130453318558470146
Blimey!
> > @Byronic said:
> >
> > I'm curious about that tweet. He seems very confident he won't get arrested. What is the law on all this? e.g. Did the guy who egged Corbyn get handcuffed?
> >
> >
>
> He was arrested.
>
> https://twitter.com/tommywilkinson/status/1130461476769157120<;
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Thanks. Wonder what they'll do to him. Arguably the state has an interest in handing out a deterrent sentence, in case this craze gets out of hand.
> There is some argument that he is at his best being a keyboard warrior - he has written some thoughtful articles on Brexit and many other issues (he is a journalist after all)- who might not adapt well to the varied and unpredictable demands of being a PM where you need to think quickly on your feet. If that is so you may be correct in saying his stint as Foreign Secretary could be a foretaste of that. It is though quite difficult to be absolutely sure - cometh the hour cometh the man and all that. Some step up, some crumble. If he make the final two I hope his opponent proves a real challenge.
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I would agree that you can't really judge someone completely based on their past performance and that Boris may surprise. I just doubt it is going to happen. He likes to compare himself to Churchill but Winston displayed a lot of personal and political courage even if he was not the nicest of people at times. Boris seems to have the worst bits of Churchill - the ambition and ruthlessness - without any of the god bits.
Indeed I can't see Churchill having passed up the golden opportunity to become PM in the way that Boris did.
> Good afternoon, everyone.
>
> Has May unveiled her exciting, bold new failure yet?
Unveiled, ignored and dismissed.
And we didn't even notice.
> Of course it’s a rabble-rouser’s fault if a rabble is roused. The dairy intifada is as much his creation as anyone’s.
>
> Where does rabble rouser end and conviction politician begin?
That’s not a question that has ever troubled Nigel Farage before.
> £5.25 for a milkshake ?!
In Newcastle, too!
> Good afternoon, everyone.
>
> Has May unveiled her exciting, bold new failure yet?
How good is that withdrawal agreement?
> £5.25 for a milkshake ?!
You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-)
This milkshake nonsense is pathetic.
Can’t put a price on that disinfectant
> > @brokenwheel said:
> > Anyway, looks like TSE's best friend has leaked this evening's Welsh Political Barometer results;
> >
> > https://twitter.com/MarkReckless/status/1130453318558470146
>
> Blimey!
That's not much change on the previous YouGov poll. It was BXP 35, Plaid 19 in that one.
> > @williamglenn said:
> > > @Byronic said:
> > >
> > > I'm curious about that tweet. He seems very confident he won't get arrested. What is the law on all this? e.g. Did the guy who egged Corbyn get handcuffed?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > He was arrested.
> >
> > https://twitter.com/tommywilkinson/status/1130461476769157120<;
>
> ++++++
>
> Thanks. Wonder what they'll do to him. Arguably the state has an interest in handing out a deterrent sentence, in case this craze gets out of hand.
"My milkshake brings all the boys from the Yard...."
> > @Norm said:
>
> > There is some argument that he is at his best being a keyboard warrior - he has written some thoughtful articles on Brexit and many other issues (he is a journalist after all)- who might not adapt well to the varied and unpredictable demands of being a PM where you need to think quickly on your feet. If that is so you may be correct in saying his stint as Foreign Secretary could be a foretaste of that. It is though quite difficult to be absolutely sure - cometh the hour cometh the man and all that. Some step up, some crumble. If he make the final two I hope his opponent proves a real challenge.
>
> -------------
>
> I would agree that you can't really judge someone completely based on their past performance and that Boris may surprise. I just doubt it is going to happen. He likes to compare himself to Churchill but Winston displayed a lot of personal and political courage even if he was not the nicest of people at times. Boris seems to have the worst bits of Churchill - the ambition and ruthlessness - without any of the god bits.
>
> Indeed I can't see Churchill having passed up the golden opportunity to become PM in the way that Boris did.
Churchill’s second letter making the case for appeasement has certainly never surfaced.
> > @Byronic said:
> > > @williamglenn said:
> > > > @Byronic said:
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious about that tweet. He seems very confident he won't get arrested. What is the law on all this? e.g. Did the guy who egged Corbyn get handcuffed?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > He was arrested.
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/tommywilkinson/status/1130461476769157120<;
> >
> > ++++++
> >
> > Thanks. Wonder what they'll do to him. Arguably the state has an interest in handing out a deterrent sentence, in case this craze gets out of hand.
>
> "My milkshake brings all the boys from the Yard...."
The Corbyn assaulter was jailed I believe too.
> Look: the really important question is why anyone over the age of, ooh about 6, would drink a milkshake.
>
> Aren't milkshakes the equivalent of cappuccinos with chocolate on top i.e. disgusting drinks but useful as a way of identifying British people without having to hear them speak?
>
> (I realise, of course, that were I ever to stand for office I have now lost the @Nigelb and @DavidL vote and the milkshake vote unless I indulge in some shameless Boris-style reverse ferret.)<
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Have you seen Paul Crowther's photo? He doesn't look like a man who cares about calories. Or gets much sex, either, TBH.
https://twitter.com/conorh_96/status/1130461937278619648
> Back in my long distant uni days a guy from an organisation called the Freedom Association was speaking. Suddenly there was a cry of "this man is odious" and a large flower bomb immediately caught him square on the chest. It was surprising and slightly shocking. The poor guy was very shaken. Disappointing some people in this forum condone such behaviour today.
Flour bomb perhaps?
Now over taken by PC . Corbyns fence sitting masterplan working wonders !
> > @Richard_Tyndall said:
> > > @Norm said:
> >
> > > There is some argument that he is at his best being a keyboard warrior - he has written some thoughtful articles on Brexit and many other issues (he is a journalist after all)- who might not adapt well to the varied and unpredictable demands of being a PM where you need to think quickly on your feet. If that is so you may be correct in saying his stint as Foreign Secretary could be a foretaste of that. It is though quite difficult to be absolutely sure - cometh the hour cometh the man and all that. Some step up, some crumble. If he make the final two I hope his opponent proves a real challenge.
> >
> > -------------
> >
> > I would agree that you can't really judge someone completely based on their past performance and that Boris may surprise. I just doubt it is going to happen. He likes to compare himself to Churchill but Winston displayed a lot of personal and political courage even if he was not the nicest of people at times. Boris seems to have the worst bits of Churchill - the ambition and ruthlessness - without any of the god bits.
> >
> > Indeed I can't see Churchill having passed up the golden opportunity to become PM in the way that Boris did.
>
> Churchill’s second letter making the case for appeasement has certainly never surfaced.
LOL. Indeed. I may not have agreed with all of Churchill's principles and beliefs but at least he had some. I am not sure the same can be said for Boris.
> >
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Yes, and in any case any kind of sudden attack on you, even if objectively relatively harmless, causes an immediate emotional reaction. It's just not acceptable behaviour, and never has been.
>
> Thanks Richard. That is exactly the point. In the moment you are hit you have absolutely no idea what you have been hit by. If you knew in advance what was coming it still wouldn't be fun but it would be a darn sight less scary. That ugly awful moment when you know you have been hit but you don't know by what is a bad one. Don't care who is on the receiving end. It's frightening, it's wrong.<
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Well said.
> > @Norm said:
> > Back in my long distant uni days a guy from an organisation called the Freedom Association was speaking. Suddenly there was a cry of "this man is odious" and a large flower bomb immediately caught him square on the chest. It was surprising and slightly shocking. The poor guy was very shaken. Disappointing some people in this forum condone such behaviour today.
>
> Flour bomb perhaps?
Indeed so;-).
> > @Pulpstar said:
>
> > £5.25 for a milkshake ?!
>
>
>
> In Newcastle, too!
>
> > @Pulpstar said:
>
> > £5.25 for a milkshake ?!
>
>
>
> You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-)
>
> Looks like an overpriced McDonalds where you think the food is better than it is because it is more expensive.
It is better, but yes, it is clearly marketed "upwards" in the UK. In America it is only a bit more expensive than McDonalds or BK.
> > @Pulpstar said:
> > > @Pulpstar said:
> >
> > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?!
> >
> >
> >
> > In Newcastle, too!
> >
> > > @Pulpstar said:
> >
> > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?!
> >
> >
> >
> > You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-)
> >
> > Looks like an overpriced McDonalds where you think the food is better than it is because it is more expensive.
>
> It is better, but yes, it is clearly marketed "upwards" in the UK. In America it is only a bit more expensive than McDonalds or BK.
IMO, its much better in the US than it is in the UK.
> > @Cyclefree said:
> > Look: the really important question is why anyone over the age of, ooh about 6, would drink a milkshake.
> >
> > Aren't milkshakes the equivalent of cappuccinos with chocolate on top i.e. disgusting drinks but useful as a way of identifying British people without having to hear them speak?
> >
> > (I realise, of course, that were I ever to stand for office I have now lost the @Nigelb and @DavidL vote and the milkshake vote unless I indulge in some shameless Boris-style reverse ferret.)<
>
> +++++
>
> Have you seen Paul Crowther's photo? He doesn't look like a man who cares about calories. Or gets much sex, either, TBH.
>
> https://twitter.com/conorh_96/status/1130461937278619648
He looks like he consumes W-A-Y more than he chucks.....
> > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
> > > @Pulpstar said:
> > > > @Pulpstar said:
> > >
> > > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In Newcastle, too!
> > >
> > > > @Pulpstar said:
> > >
> > > > £5.25 for a milkshake ?!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You have obviously never been to Five Guys, where a burger, fries and a milkshake will set you back £15-20. Sort of place George Osborne will get his lunch ;-)
> > >
> > > Looks like an overpriced McDonalds where you think the food is better than it is because it is more expensive.
> >
> > It is better, but yes, it is clearly marketed "upwards" in the UK. In America it is only a bit more expensive than McDonalds or BK.
>
> IMO, its much better in the US than it is in the UK.
Well, in my mind, something that's roughly a third cheaper always tastes better
> That’s not a question that has ever troubled Nigel Farage before.
>
> I don't take Nigel Farage as my political role or behavioural model.
Then you will understand why I don’t have the slightest sympathy for a man who has been a major contributor to the current political climate. It turns out if you talk of traitors and whip up hatred, your opponents respond to the stimuli.
The country is much the worse for it, of course.
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > > @brokenwheel said:
> > > Anyway, looks like TSE's best friend has leaked this evening's Welsh Political Barometer results;
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/MarkReckless/status/1130453318558470146
> >
> > Blimey!
>
> That's not much change on the previous YouGov poll. It was BXP 35, Plaid 19 in that one.
Still a shocking poll though.
> > @TOPPING said:
> > That’s not a question that has ever troubled Nigel Farage before.
> >
> > I don't take Nigel Farage as my political role or behavioural model.
>
> Then you will understand why I don’t have the slightest sympathy for a man who has been a major contributor to the current political climate. It turns out if you talk of traitors and whip up hatred, your opponents respond to the stimuli.
>
> The country is much the worse for it, of course.
Do you have any problem with Guy Verhofstadt using the word traitor?
But suppose, just suppose, it had been wee, or even worse, acid?
> I couldn't stand him as a politician but on a personal level there was something very satisfying about Prescott's instinctive reaction when he got egged.
The ex-boxers in the audience will also have recognised a fairly educated straight left.
In the circumstances, I don't think his response was excessive.