> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > Hope the Aussies win and the whole shebang moves to the antipodes next year. > > Norton just said the contest will stay in Europe even if they win
So righteous outrage at the suggestion Nige was a very right leaning teen! Labour MP spy? Common sense innit? People will believe what they want to believe.
> @dixiedean said: > So righteous outrage at the suggestion Nige was a very right leaning teen! > Labour MP spy? Common sense innit? > People will believe what they want to believe.
Given the potential libel cost, they must surely have evidence to back up their claim? For the NF thing, we have a photo that has already been debunked.
Raymond Llewellyn Mawby (6 February 1922[1] – 22 July 1990) was a British Member of Parliament for the Conservative Party and a junior Minister, who was in the pay of 2nd Directorate of the General Staff of the Czechoslovak People's Army, the communist Czechoslovak Socialist Republic military intelligence service
> @RobD said: > > @dixiedean said: > > So righteous outrage at the suggestion Nige was a very right leaning teen! > > Labour MP spy? Common sense innit? > > People will believe what they want to believe. > > Given the potential libel cost, they must surely have evidence to back up their claim? For the NF thing, we have a photo that has already been debunked.
Not my point. My point was no one on here has possession of the evidence, if there is any. But the mere headline convinces some of its veracity. Others are convinced by a photo that doesn't even look like who it is supposed to be.
Apparently 63% in Comres agreed that the BP should be part of the negotiations if they win most seats at the EU elections .
What’s to negotiate , no deal . What do you need to negotiate ?
I think given the madness now spreading fast throughout the UK escape while you can . You have 5 months to use your freedom of movement before that ends !
> @dixiedean said: > > @RobD said: > > > @dixiedean said: > > > So righteous outrage at the suggestion Nige was a very right leaning teen! > > > Labour MP spy? Common sense innit? > > > People will believe what they want to believe. > > > > Given the potential libel cost, they must surely have evidence to back up their claim? For the NF thing, we have a photo that has already been debunked. > > Not my point. My point was no one on here has possession of the evidence, if there is any. > But the mere headline convinces some of its veracity.
And I look forward to them being debunked, if the claims are false as for Farage. The fact the Mail splashed the claim suggests they think it is true, or do they enjoy throwing away money on libel cases?
> @dixiedean said: > > @Mauve said: > > > @thecommissioner said: > > > https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1129828517548560385 > > > > Putting those numbers into EC gives: > > CON 163 > > LAB 298 > > LIB 22 > > UKIP 0 > > Green 0 > > SNP 55 > > PlaidC 4 > > ChUK 0 > > Brexit 90 > > Minor 0 > > N.Ire 18 > > > > Farage lets in a Corbyn / Sturgeon government. Tories down to numbers not seen since 1997. If those numbers were anywhere near accurate (debatable given the current situation) you can't fault his strategy of pretending to be in favour of both Leave and Remain. > > Yep. With the bonus of a split opposition.
That would be an even worse performance for the Tories than 1997 but also would see the Brexit Party get the best performance for a UK wide 3rd party since the Asquith Liberals in 1923
> @nico67 said: > Apparently 63% in Comres agreed that the BP should be part of the negotiations if they win most seats at the EU elections . > > What’s to negotiate , no deal . What do you need to negotiate ? > > I think given the madness now spreading fast throughout the UK escape while you can . You have 5 months to use your freedom of movement before that ends !
Not sure what more can be done. Most of the MPs are acting as though they are already campaigning for remain as it is, is Corbyn being dragged there reluctantly really that much of a drag? Yes, it seems like people are finally waking up to the fact that the LDs are completely unequivocal about being for Remain, but Labour are a Remain party, mealy mouthed comments about leaving notwithstanding.
> @Foxy said: > > @Casino_Royale said: > > This must be the campest Eurovision ever. > > There is a strong field this time. > > No fat shaming either...
> @glw said: > That's a hell of a claim for the Mail to make, they must have some bloody good evidence to run that, otherwise it will cost them a packet. ------------------------------ If there are Czech intelligence documetns saying he was a spy it seems totally defendable for them to allege it, even if those documents are dead wrong.
> @Casino_Royale said: > > @Foxy said: > > > @Casino_Royale said: > > > This must be the campest Eurovision ever. > > > > There is a strong field this time. > > > > No fat shaming either... > > I just saw Mrs. Doubtfire on MDMA.
> @kle4 said: > > @Scott_P said: > > https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1129856733378220034 > > Not sure what more can be done. Most of the MPs are acting as though they are already campaigning for remain as it is, is Corbyn being dragged there reluctantly really that much of a drag? Yes, it seems like people are finally waking up to the fact that the LDs are completely unequivocal about being for Remain, but Labour are a Remain party, mealy mouthed comments about leaving notwithstanding.
But if people are really driven by Brexit, we will see turnout of 70% plus next week. That will not happen - and suggests a high degree of indifference.Probably half of those who voted in the 2016 Referendum will fail to vote next week.
> @paulyork64 said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > @geoffw said: > > > Hope the Aussies win and the whole shebang moves to the antipodes next year. > > Spain looked the best to me > > > > Agreed. A poor year overall though I thought.
I think if Straya win they have to nominate a European country.
> @Jonathan said: > > @Casino_Royale said: > > > @Foxy said: > > > > @Casino_Royale said: > > > > This must be the campest Eurovision ever. > > > > > > There is a strong field this time. > > > > > > No fat shaming either... > > > > I just saw Mrs. Doubtfire on MDMA. > > How dare you, that’s my wife.
> @paulyork64 said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > @geoffw said: > > > Hope the Aussies win and the whole shebang moves to the antipodes next year. > > Spain looked the best to me > > > > Agreed. A poor year overall though I thought.
Yes, Spain was the only one that was really catchy
> @Luckyguy1983 said: > If the polls continue to go this way, it will be fun to watch politicians suddenly stop calling for a second referendum.
Another reason why revoke is on as such a viable option, and always was going to end up being so - if no deal is so terrible then revoke must be an option to avoid it. Since most remainers in parliament at least seem to think any Brexit is as bad as no deal (they don't say as much, but given figures like Starmer are insisting on a confirmatory vote which they would campaign for remain in, they must assume any Brexit, even their own, must be avoided) then logically it cannot be risked.
It's going to be a long summer, seeing the Tories bitch at each other the whole time and defecating over the outcome of the elections whis week.
If everyone agrees to vote either LD or Brexit Party on Thursday, we could turn it into a second referendum. (I don't claim this as an original thought).
> @HYUFD said: > > @paulyork64 said: > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > @geoffw said: > > > > Hope the Aussies win and the whole shebang moves to the antipodes next year. > > > Spain looked the best to me > > > > > > > Agreed. A poor year overall though I thought. > > Yes, Spain was the only one that was really catchy
I think it's on way too late. 2330 finish here. 0030 in western Europe. 0130 in eastern Europe. Crazy.
> @justin124 said: > > @kle4 said: > > > @Scott_P said: > > > https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1129856733378220034 > > > > Not sure what more can be done. Most of the MPs are acting as though they are already campaigning for remain as it is, is Corbyn being dragged there reluctantly really that much of a drag? Yes, it seems like people are finally waking up to the fact that the LDs are completely unequivocal about being for Remain, but Labour are a Remain party, mealy mouthed comments about leaving notwithstanding. > > But if people are really driven by Brexit, we will see turnout of 70% plus next week. That will not happen - and suggests a high degree of indifference.Probably half of those who voted in the 2016 Referendum will fail to vote next week.
Love the subliminal light blue Brexit party message from the Man City team
I have to admit, I quite like the Icelandic black metal / electronic fusion. Having watched it on Youtube I don't really get what's meant to have been so shocking about it though, just seems like a few people prancing around in PVC bodysuits with spikes stuck on them. I've seen worse at pub gigs, both musically and in terms of attempted shock value. Must be the effects of the internet warping my innocent mind earlier in life.
> @HYUFD said: > Madonna tells Eurovision competitors 'they are all winners' (as if the Material Girl really believes that!)
Reminds me of a speech given at the opening of the Olympics about how it is about everyone being equal, when the competition is about seeing who is better than everyone else and literally making them stand higher on a pedestal.
> @paulyork64 said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > @paulyork64 said: > > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > > @geoffw said: > > > > > Hope the Aussies win and the whole shebang moves to the antipodes next year. > > > > Spain looked the best to me > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. A poor year overall though I thought. > > > > Yes, Spain was the only one that was really catchy > > I think it's on way too late. 2330 finish here. 0030 in western Europe. 0130 in eastern Europe. Crazy.
Might make the voting more interesting though if it lowers the participation (at the end of the day I only watch Eurovision for the voting really)
> @nico67 said: > Wow apparently the Lib Dems are leading in London . > > Lucky there’s a recess for both May and Corbyn it’s going to be a bloodbath .
Bloodbath is nailed on already. The question is whether the victims will survive.
> @AndyJS said: > If everyone agrees to vote either LD or Brexit Party on Thursday, we could turn it into a second referendum. (I don't claim this as an original thought).
It's turning into that two horse race.
Remarkable that all Remain voters still haven't woken up to that.
Look at the curve of the eyebrows, the nose, the set of the jaw (things that don't change over time).
Whilst I agree it isn't Farage, I need to point out that the curve of the eyebrows, jaw (esp the chin) and the nose do change shape over time. Fat distribution changes, your skin's capacity to produce collagen degrades, you lose teeth and bone, and bone thickens at those parts where muscles apply stress. So the skin slumps, the nose becomes peaky and angles downwards, your cheeks hollow and your chin inches forwards. The faces you have at 15, 25, 55, 75 are all different.
I think No Deal fairly likely simply because everything else has been tried and found wanting. But at that point I think reality will finally hit after three years. It will be nasty.
> @dixiedean said: > > @nico67 said: > > Wow apparently the Lib Dems are leading in London . > > > > Lucky there’s a recess for both May and Corbyn it’s going to be a bloodbath . > > Bloodbath is nailed on already. The question is whether the victims will survive.
May has her goodbye tour to do , and Corbyn will shuffle off to his allotment !
> @viewcode said: > Look at the curve of the eyebrows, the nose, the set of the jaw (things that don't change over time). > > Whilst I agree it isn't Farage, I need to point out that the curve of the eyebrows, jaw (esp the chin) and the nose do change shape over time. Fat distribution changes, your skin's capacity to produce collagen degrades, you lose teeth and bone, and bone thickens at those parts where muscles apply stress. So the skin slumps, the nose becomes peaky and angles downwards, your cheeks hollow and your chin inches forwards. The faces you have at 15, 25, 55, 75 are all different.
> @viewcode said: > Look at the curve of the eyebrows, the nose, the set of the jaw (things that don't change over time). > > Whilst I agree it isn't Farage, I need to point out that the curve of the eyebrows, jaw (esp the chin) and the nose do change shape over time. Fat distribution changes, your skin's capacity to produce collagen degrades, you lose teeth and bone, and bone thickens at those parts where muscles apply stress. So the skin slumps, the nose becomes peaky and angles downwards, your cheeks hollow and your chin inches forwards. The faces you have at 15, 25, 55, 75 are all different.
Not always that much. I'm sure we all can cite instances where we can instantly recognise a photo of a relative or acquaintance at a young age even if we only knew them when they were older. Not the case with everyone, sure, but while the faces are different they are often still perfectly recognizable. Heck, I was watching an episode of the original Man from UNCLE a few months ago and there was a young actor who was very recognizable for some reason, and turns out it was Kurt Russell as a teenager.
> @Mauve said: > I have to admit, I quite like the Icelandic black metal / electronic fusion. Having watched it on Youtube I don't really get what's meant to have been so shocking about it though, just seems like a few people prancing around in PVC bodysuits with spikes stuck on them. -------------- Oh the horror indeed.
> @Byronic said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > > @Scott_P said: > > > https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/1129854223464767489 > > > > Go Nigel!!!!!!!! (Again) < > > ++++++ > > Are the pollsters beginning to herd/agree? > > Looks that way. BXP north of 30, way ahead of a still-declining Labour. LDs still surging. Tories hammered. > > This is going to be a bloodbath. > >
The Inside gossip is Labour won't get more than 20% and Greens/Yellows will do better. Brexit party slightly better, too
> @Drutt said: > I am fed up with people who say BRINO or BINO to talk about very soft forms of brexit. Anyone who is anyone is now calling it MEH-XIT. > > Anyway, I don't know if the market is still open but BetFred were letting you punt on top 10 finishes for Eurovision. I'm on Denmark, Switzerland, and Australia and on Netherlands to win
Voting is open and here are some win-only odds. Netherlands are fav at about 4/6. Switzerland 2F (I tipped them on Tuesday) at 6/1, Australia 3F at 8/1. Denmark (you'll remember they were my other tip for a top 4 place) now a modest 100/1. Oh dear.
If you have an account with more than one exchange the Dutching opportunities look huge (with the execption of NED to win, funnily enough). AUS to win is 12s on Betfair and 7 on matchbook as I type.
> @Charles said: > I feel like I'm watching a live broadcast from an LGBT+ club where everyone has taken a cocktail of ecstasy and amphetamines. > > How do you know what that’s like?
The bouncing Czech was Bob Maxwell (former Labour MP)
But I thought the Geoffrey Robinson story was very old news. I’m sure I knew this a decade or more ago
Yeah, I know, should have said bouncing cheque. My bad. Robinson was at school with the Eurovision runner up in 1961 (one of the Allisons) before they became famous for a year. As was I.
If everyone agrees to vote either LD or Brexit Party on Thursday, we could turn it into a second referendum. (I don't claim this as an original thought).
In that case, I'd better vote Brexit.
Or should I do a Rian Johnson, and subvert all your expectations and vote LibDem?
> @isam said: > > @bigjohnowls said: > > > ?? > > > > > > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6vt4lmWsAIud-e.jpg:large > > > > Unconvinced. > > > > Farage was a 15 year old Dulwich College public school boy in 1979. > > > > Neither the age nor the clothes look right to me, > > Saw that a few days ago. These people are so desperate I feel sorry for them. Wouldn’t back that being Farage at 10,000/1
Lies go halfway round the world before the truth has got it's boots on!
If everyone agrees to vote either LD or Brexit Party on Thursday, we could turn it into a second referendum. (I don't claim this as an original thought).
In that case, I'd better vote Brexit.
Or should I do a Rian Johnson, and subvert all your expectations and vote LibDem?
Because Rian "Franchise Killer" Johnson's career is going so well...
Comments
> Another poll.
Wow Labours Brexit policy is working wonders ! Overtaken by the Lib Dems . Well done Corbyn !
> Hope the Aussies win and the whole shebang moves to the antipodes next year.
>
> Norton just said the contest will stay in Europe even if they win
That's no fair!
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/1129854223464767489
>
> Go Nigel!!!!!!!! (Again)
++++++
Are the pollsters beginning to herd/agree?
Looks that way. BXP north of 30, way ahead of a still-declining Labour. LDs still surging. Tories hammered.
This is going to be a bloodbath.
> Tucked away on Opinium
>
> https://www.opinium.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/VI-14-05-19-Chart-102.png
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> https://www.opinium.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/VI-14-05-19-Chart-101.png
No deal at 46%
> > @Casino_Royale said:
> > > @TGOHF said:
> > > https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1129850935319191552
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Labour : enemies of Britain. Now, then, always.
> >
> > Nothing changes.
>
> Too bloody right
Until proven not bloody right at all.
Its amazing how many times you fall for it TBH
> https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1129850935319191552
Just read the story - interesting
> > @Floater said:
> > > @Casino_Royale said:
> > > > @TGOHF said:
> > > > https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1129850935319191552
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Labour : enemies of Britain. Now, then, always.
> > >
> > > Nothing changes.
> >
> > Too bloody right
>
> Until proven not bloody right at all.
>
> Its amazing how many times you fall for it TBH
Your weak spot is failing to see anti semitism, mine is believing Marxists are poison for this country.
Labour MP spy? Common sense innit?
People will believe what they want to believe.
> > @thecommissioner said:
> > Tucked away on Opinium
> >
> > https://www.opinium.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/VI-14-05-19-Chart-102.png
> >
> > https://www.opinium.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/VI-14-05-19-Chart-101.png
>
> No deal at 46%
+++++
Whoah. No Deal now has a plurality over the combined Delay/Cancel options. No Deal is the preferred outcome.
The Brits aren't bending the knee. It is insane, but also a little bit admirable.
> So righteous outrage at the suggestion Nige was a very right leaning teen!
> Labour MP spy? Common sense innit?
> People will believe what they want to believe.
Given the potential libel cost, they must surely have evidence to back up their claim? For the NF thing, we have a photo that has already been debunked.
> https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1129856733378220034
+++++
What the actual feck is Teresa's "bold new Brexit offer" to Labour?
She is a tragic figure. Get her off the stage.
> > @dixiedean said:
> > So righteous outrage at the suggestion Nige was a very right leaning teen!
> > Labour MP spy? Common sense innit?
> > People will believe what they want to believe.
>
> Given the potential libel cost, they must surely have evidence to back up their claim? For the NF thing, we have a photo that has already been debunked.
Not my point. My point was no one on here has possession of the evidence, if there is any.
But the mere headline convinces some of its veracity.
Others are convinced by a photo that doesn't even look like who it is supposed to be.
> Hope the Aussies win and the whole shebang moves to the antipodes next year.
Spain looked the best to me
What’s to negotiate , no deal . What do you need to negotiate ?
I think given the madness now spreading fast throughout the UK escape while you can . You have 5 months to use your freedom of movement before that ends !
https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1129849594978930689?s=21
> > @RobD said:
> > > @dixiedean said:
> > > So righteous outrage at the suggestion Nige was a very right leaning teen!
> > > Labour MP spy? Common sense innit?
> > > People will believe what they want to believe.
> >
> > Given the potential libel cost, they must surely have evidence to back up their claim? For the NF thing, we have a photo that has already been debunked.
>
> Not my point. My point was no one on here has possession of the evidence, if there is any.
> But the mere headline convinces some of its veracity.
And I look forward to them being debunked, if the claims are false as for Farage. The fact the Mail splashed the claim suggests they think it is true, or do they enjoy throwing away money on libel cases?
> > @Mauve said:
> > > @thecommissioner said:
> > > https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1129828517548560385
> >
> > Putting those numbers into EC gives:
> > CON 163
> > LAB 298
> > LIB 22
> > UKIP 0
> > Green 0
> > SNP 55
> > PlaidC 4
> > ChUK 0
> > Brexit 90
> > Minor 0
> > N.Ire 18
> >
> > Farage lets in a Corbyn / Sturgeon government. Tories down to numbers not seen since 1997. If those numbers were anywhere near accurate (debatable given the current situation) you can't fault his strategy of pretending to be in favour of both Leave and Remain.
>
> Yep. With the bonus of a split opposition.
That would be an even worse performance for the Tories than 1997 but also would see the Brexit Party get the best performance for a UK wide 3rd party since the Asquith Liberals in 1923
> Hezza voting Lib Dem!
>
> https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1129849594978930689?s=21
He was originally a National Liberal anway!
> Another poll.
Just mad. The electorate are having a laugh.
> Apparently 63% in Comres agreed that the BP should be part of the negotiations if they win most seats at the EU elections .
>
> What’s to negotiate , no deal . What do you need to negotiate ?
>
> I think given the madness now spreading fast throughout the UK escape while you can . You have 5 months to use your freedom of movement before that ends !
Abandon Ship!!!!!
> > @RobD said:
> > > @thecommissioner said:
> > > Tucked away on Opinium
> > >
> > > https://www.opinium.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/VI-14-05-19-Chart-102.png
> > >
> > > https://www.opinium.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/VI-14-05-19-Chart-101.png
> >
> > No deal at 46%
>
> +++++
>
> Whoah. No Deal now has a plurality over the combined Delay/Cancel options. No Deal is the preferred outcome.
>
> The Brits aren't bending the knee. It is insane, but also a little bit admirable.
47% back No Deal to only 41% for EUref2 on a forced choice.
46% also back No Deal to only 33% for revoke and just 12% for further delay, so No Deal narrowly beats revoke and further extension combined.
If the WA fails again guess it will be No Deal then, at least as far as the public is concerned
> This must be the campest Eurovision ever.
There is a strong field this time.
No fat shaming either...
> https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1129856733378220034
Not sure what more can be done. Most of the MPs are acting as though they are already campaigning for remain as it is, is Corbyn being dragged there reluctantly really that much of a drag? Yes, it seems like people are finally waking up to the fact that the LDs are completely unequivocal about being for Remain, but Labour are a Remain party, mealy mouthed comments about leaving notwithstanding.
> > @Casino_Royale said:
> > This must be the campest Eurovision ever.
>
> There is a strong field this time.
>
> No fat shaming either...
I just saw Mrs. Doubtfire on MDMA.
> That's a hell of a claim for the Mail to make, they must have some bloody good evidence to run that, otherwise it will cost them a packet.
------------------------------
If there are Czech intelligence documetns saying he was a spy it seems totally defendable for them to allege it, even if those documents are dead wrong.
> > @geoffw said:
> > Hope the Aussies win and the whole shebang moves to the antipodes next year.
> Spain looked the best to me
>
Agreed. A poor year overall though I thought.
> > @Recidivist said:
> > Another poll.
>
> Just mad. The electorate are having a laugh.
What are the politicians doing?
> > @williamglenn said:
> > Hezza voting Lib Dem!
> >
> > https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1129849594978930689?s=21
>
> He was originally a National Liberal anway!
The treasonous pompous guttersnipe he's always been.
> > @Foxy said:
> > > @Casino_Royale said:
> > > This must be the campest Eurovision ever.
> >
> > There is a strong field this time.
> >
> > No fat shaming either...
>
> I just saw Mrs. Doubtfire on MDMA.
How dare you, that’s my wife.
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1129856733378220034
>
> Not sure what more can be done. Most of the MPs are acting as though they are already campaigning for remain as it is, is Corbyn being dragged there reluctantly really that much of a drag? Yes, it seems like people are finally waking up to the fact that the LDs are completely unequivocal about being for Remain, but Labour are a Remain party, mealy mouthed comments about leaving notwithstanding.
But if people are really driven by Brexit, we will see turnout of 70% plus next week. That will not happen - and suggests a high degree of indifference.Probably half of those who voted in the 2016 Referendum will fail to vote next week.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > > @geoffw said:
> > > Hope the Aussies win and the whole shebang moves to the antipodes next year.
> > Spain looked the best to me
> >
>
> Agreed. A poor year overall though I thought.
I think if Straya win they have to nominate a European country.
> > @Casino_Royale said:
> > > @Foxy said:
> > > > @Casino_Royale said:
> > > > This must be the campest Eurovision ever.
> > >
> > > There is a strong field this time.
> > >
> > > No fat shaming either...
> >
> > I just saw Mrs. Doubtfire on MDMA.
>
> How dare you, that’s my wife.
Very talented woman.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > > @geoffw said:
> > > Hope the Aussies win and the whole shebang moves to the antipodes next year.
> > Spain looked the best to me
> >
>
> Agreed. A poor year overall though I thought.
Yes, Spain was the only one that was really catchy
> > @justin124 said:
> > > @williamglenn said:
> > > Hezza voting Lib Dem!
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1129849594978930689?s=21
> >
> > He was originally a National Liberal anway!
>
> The treasonous pompous guttersnipe he's always been.
Or he has returned to his natural home.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1129854360077443073
Lucky there’s a recess for both May and Corbyn it’s going to be a bloodbath .
> If the polls continue to go this way, it will be fun to watch politicians suddenly stop calling for a second referendum.
Another reason why revoke is on as such a viable option, and always was going to end up being so - if no deal is so terrible then revoke must be an option to avoid it. Since most remainers in parliament at least seem to think any Brexit is as bad as no deal (they don't say as much, but given figures like Starmer are insisting on a confirmatory vote which they would campaign for remain in, they must assume any Brexit, even their own, must be avoided) then logically it cannot be risked.
It's going to be a long summer, seeing the Tories bitch at each other the whole time and defecating over the outcome of the elections whis week.
> > @paulyork64 said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > @geoffw said:
> > > > Hope the Aussies win and the whole shebang moves to the antipodes next year.
> > > Spain looked the best to me
> > >
> >
> > Agreed. A poor year overall though I thought.
>
> Yes, Spain was the only one that was really catchy
I think it's on way too late. 2330 finish here. 0030 in western Europe. 0130 in eastern Europe. Crazy.
> Hezza voting Lib Dem!
>
> https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1129849594978930689?s=21
Not really news. Been saying he'd vote for a Remain party for a couple of weeks. Guess he was waiting to see which one was leading the pack.
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @Scott_P said:
> > > https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1129856733378220034
> >
> > Not sure what more can be done. Most of the MPs are acting as though they are already campaigning for remain as it is, is Corbyn being dragged there reluctantly really that much of a drag? Yes, it seems like people are finally waking up to the fact that the LDs are completely unequivocal about being for Remain, but Labour are a Remain party, mealy mouthed comments about leaving notwithstanding.
>
> But if people are really driven by Brexit, we will see turnout of 70% plus next week. That will not happen - and suggests a high degree of indifference.Probably half of those who voted in the 2016 Referendum will fail to vote next week.
Love the subliminal light blue Brexit party message from the Man City team
> Madonna tells Eurovision competitors 'they are all winners' (as if the Material Girl really believes that!)
Reminds me of a speech given at the opening of the Olympics about how it is about everyone being equal, when the competition is about seeing who is better than everyone else and literally making them stand higher on a pedestal.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > > @paulyork64 said:
> > > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > > @geoffw said:
> > > > > Hope the Aussies win and the whole shebang moves to the antipodes next year.
> > > > Spain looked the best to me
> > > >
> > >
> > > Agreed. A poor year overall though I thought.
> >
> > Yes, Spain was the only one that was really catchy
>
> I think it's on way too late. 2330 finish here. 0030 in western Europe. 0130 in eastern Europe. Crazy.
Might make the voting more interesting though if it lowers the participation (at the end of the day I only watch Eurovision for the voting really)
> Wow apparently the Lib Dems are leading in London .
>
> Lucky there’s a recess for both May and Corbyn it’s going to be a bloodbath .
Bloodbath is nailed on already. The question is whether the victims will survive.
> If everyone agrees to vote either LD or Brexit Party on Thursday, we could turn it into a second referendum. (I don't claim this as an original thought).
It's turning into that two horse race.
Remarkable that all Remain voters still haven't woken up to that.
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1129856733378220034
>
> +++++
>
> What the actual feck is Teresa's "bold new Brexit offer" to Labour?
>
> She is a tragic figure. Get her off the stage.
all lies. She is useless. Nervous breakdown, me thinks
> > @RobD said:
> > > @thecommissioner said:
> > > Tucked away on Opinium
> > >
> > > https://www.opinium.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/VI-14-05-19-Chart-102.png
> > >
> > > https://www.opinium.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/VI-14-05-19-Chart-101.png
> >
> > No deal at 46%
>
> +++++
>
> Whoah. No Deal now has a plurality over the combined Delay/Cancel options. No Deal is the preferred outcome.
>
> The Brits aren't bending the knee. It is insane, but also a little bit admirable.
I think No Deal fairly likely simply because everything else has been tried and found wanting. But at that point I think reality will finally hit after three years. It will be nasty.
> > @nico67 said:
> > Wow apparently the Lib Dems are leading in London .
> >
> > Lucky there’s a recess for both May and Corbyn it’s going to be a bloodbath .
>
> Bloodbath is nailed on already. The question is whether the victims will survive.
May has her goodbye tour to do , and Corbyn will shuffle off to his allotment !
> Look at the curve of the eyebrows, the nose, the set of the jaw (things that don't change over time).
>
> Whilst I agree it isn't Farage, I need to point out that the curve of the eyebrows, jaw (esp the chin) and the nose do change shape over time. Fat distribution changes, your skin's capacity to produce collagen degrades, you lose teeth and bone, and bone thickens at those parts where muscles apply stress. So the skin slumps, the nose becomes peaky and angles downwards, your cheeks hollow and your chin inches forwards. The faces you have at 15, 25, 55, 75 are all different.
>
++++
Well, that's cheered me up.
> Israel has put on a good show. Is there another Mid East country that would put on such a festival of scantily clad camp?
Iraq...
....On a US military base.
> Look at the curve of the eyebrows, the nose, the set of the jaw (things that don't change over time).
>
> Whilst I agree it isn't Farage, I need to point out that the curve of the eyebrows, jaw (esp the chin) and the nose do change shape over time. Fat distribution changes, your skin's capacity to produce collagen degrades, you lose teeth and bone, and bone thickens at those parts where muscles apply stress. So the skin slumps, the nose becomes peaky and angles downwards, your cheeks hollow and your chin inches forwards. The faces you have at 15, 25, 55, 75 are all different.
Not always that much. I'm sure we all can cite instances where we can instantly recognise a photo of a relative or acquaintance at a young age even if we only knew them when they were older. Not the case with everyone, sure, but while the faces are different they are often still perfectly recognizable. Heck, I was watching an episode of the original Man from UNCLE a few months ago and there was a young actor who was very recognizable for some reason, and turns out it was Kurt Russell as a teenager.
> I have to admit, I quite like the Icelandic black metal / electronic fusion. Having watched it on Youtube I don't really get what's meant to have been so shocking about it though, just seems like a few people prancing around in PVC bodysuits with spikes stuck on them.
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Oh the horror indeed.
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > > @Scott_P said:
> > > https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/1129854223464767489
> >
> > Go Nigel!!!!!!!! (Again)
>
> ++++++
>
> Are the pollsters beginning to herd/agree?
>
> Looks that way. BXP north of 30, way ahead of a still-declining Labour. LDs still surging. Tories hammered.
>
> This is going to be a bloodbath.
>
>
The Inside gossip is Labour won't get more than 20% and Greens/Yellows will do better. Brexit party slightly better, too
> I am fed up with people who say BRINO or BINO to talk about very soft forms of brexit. Anyone who is anyone is now calling it MEH-XIT.
>
> Anyway, I don't know if the market is still open but BetFred were letting you punt on top 10 finishes for Eurovision. I'm on Denmark, Switzerland, and Australia and on Netherlands to win
Voting is open and here are some win-only odds. Netherlands are fav at about 4/6. Switzerland 2F (I tipped them on Tuesday) at 6/1, Australia 3F at 8/1. Denmark (you'll remember they were my other tip for a top 4 place) now a modest 100/1. Oh dear.
If you have an account with more than one exchange the Dutching opportunities look huge (with the execption of NED to win, funnily enough). AUS to win is 12s on Betfair and 7 on matchbook as I type.
But I thought the Geoffrey Robinson story was very old news. I’m sure I knew this a decade or more ago
> I feel like I'm watching a live broadcast from an LGBT+ club where everyone has taken a cocktail of ecstasy and amphetamines.
>
> How do you know what that’s like?
I feel we all do now.
Robinson was at school with the Eurovision runner up in 1961 (one of the Allisons) before they became famous for a year. As was I.
> Germany last. UK next to last.
>
> Brexit or Eurovision?
Update. Madonna last.
Couldn't they have just gotten her a stair lift?
Or should I do a Rian Johnson, and subvert all your expectations and vote LibDem?
> > @bigjohnowls said:
>
> > ??
>
> >
>
> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6vt4lmWsAIud-e.jpg:large
>
>
>
> Unconvinced.
>
>
>
> Farage was a 15 year old Dulwich College public school boy in 1979.
>
>
>
> Neither the age nor the clothes look right to me,
>
> Saw that a few days ago. These people are so desperate I feel sorry for them. Wouldn’t back that being Farage at 10,000/1
Lies go halfway round the world before the truth has got it's boots on!
> It it compulsory for an Irishman to present the UK's Eurovision coverage?
Yup. Part of the backstop.