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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617
    edited April 2019
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    Electronic voting, good idea yes no?
    ttps://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/1122116677196492800?s=19

    Anyone who works in IT will tell you no, definitely not. Unless they work for a company selling voting machines.

    Paper and pencil, with people counting, works really well in practice.
    Assuming always you have adequate security over the ballot boxes once voting is complete.....
    Yes, which is why (in the U.K.) they are sealed at the start of the day, taken from the polling station to the count with the police escorting them, and there’s never one person in sole possession of a ballot box until it’s opened in front of representatives of the candidates.

    The whole process around US elections sucks, there’s way too much political interference and only a handful of states have anything like the Electoral Commission to oversee voting.
    Yes it always amuses that the USA bangs on about how it is the pinnacle of democracy - annd then is very very cavalier about the mechanics.

    I couldn't vote Republican in the US because of the indefensible way they gerrymander and purge electoral rolls.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    Much as it pains me to say it, Corbyn’s right here. Holding on to more seats in the midlands and north of England is way more important than getting massive majorities in London among the hardcore Remain luvvies.
    The Remain luvvies as you like to call them make up a large majority of all Labour voters , that includes in seats in the north . If Corbyn doesn’t back a second vote Labour will implode completely .

    Labour Leavers now amount to barely 25% on a good day . Any party ignoring 75% of its voters is going to be in big trouble .
    Disagree. Outside London and a few university towns, I don’t think Brexit is a salient issue for Labour voters.
    If that’s the case why annoy the large majority of the Labour vote by not backing a second vote .
    Have you looked at a map of Labour seats recently (and their target seats)?
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,993
    on those figures, it's back to being 'only' a list MSP for Ruth - maybe we will get someone who wants to turn up at constituency surgeries!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,244
    nico67 said:

    If that’s the case why annoy the large majority of the Labour vote by not backing a second vote .

    I think the pivot to Ref2 is coming but I will be surprised if they do it for the Euros. Best to play your trump card when the pot is big big BIG. When the opponent is all in, chips, car keys, title deeds, the wife. .. that's when you lay it down, laconic grin optional but highly recommended.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:

    A logo is obviously less vital than name, slogan and branding ... all of which CHUKTIG have contrived to get wrong.

    Any start up needs a top logo. And, with respect, I doubt those commenting below have any professional experience in this area.

    https://www.designhill.com/design-blog/us-political-logos-that-can-put-world-best-logo-designs-to-shame/

    4 horizontal black and white bars suggests:

    - A fence. Message: to keep you out. Privilege. Estate.

    - Dull (black and white). It's boring. Inanimate. Lifeless. Turgid. Every other major party has something organic (growing) or moving. This is static and lifeless. Very apt as it happens but the opposite of change.

    - Prison. Okay, horizontal not vertical. But these are still bars.

    This is the worst political launch in world history

    I really like it and there aren't many logos I would say that about. Clean distinctive modern and requires no explanation.
    What’s your view of the Brexit Party branding?
    It works for what they're trying to do which is to convey a message. it's rather like asking what I think of a set of traffic lights. It's an instruction not an identity.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384
    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    Much as it pains me to say it, Corbyn’s right here. Holding on to more seats in the midlands and north of England is way more important than getting massive majorities in London among the hardcore Remain luvvies.
    The Remain luvvies as you like to call them make up a large majority of all Labour voters , that includes in seats in the north . If Corbyn doesn’t back a second vote Labour will implode completely .

    Labour Leavers now amount to barely 25% on a good day . Any party ignoring 75% of its voters is going to be in big trouble .
    Disagree. Outside London and a few university towns, I don’t think Brexit is a salient issue for Labour voters.
    If that’s the case why annoy the large majority of the Labour vote by not backing a second vote .
    Labour Remainers will vote Labour in a FPTP election because they share Corbyn's views on matters like nationalisation, tuition fees, the Middle East, nuclear weapons etc. The EU is not a deal breaker.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    Electronic voting, good idea yes no?
    ttps://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/1122116677196492800?s=19

    Anyone who works in IT will tell you no, definitely not. Unless they work for a company selling voting machines.

    Paper and pencil, with people counting, works really well in practice.
    Assuming always you have adequate security over the ballot boxes once voting is complete.....
    Yes, which is why (in the U.K.) they are sealed at the start of the day, taken from the polling station to the count with the police escorting them, and there’s never one person in sole possession of a ballot box until it’s opened in front of representatives of the candidates.

    The whole process around US elections sucks, there’s way too much political interference and only a handful of states have anything like the Electoral Commission to oversee voting.
    Yes it always amuses that the USA bangs on about how it is the pinnacle of democracy - annd then is very very cavalier about the mechanics.

    I couldn't vote Republican in the US because of the indefensible way they gerrymander and purge electoral rolls.
    Yeah there’s all sorts of dodgy crap that goes on around the mechanics of elections in the US.

    Voter ID is not a bad idea in and of itself, but asking people to travel for two hours each way by bus to go to somewhere that’s open for an hour every month in the middle of the day to get that ID, is well out of order. In some towns, there isn’t even a bus.

    The issue is that the conduct of elections is a matter for the states themselves, with no federal input at all.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    sarissa said:

    on those figures, it's back to being 'only' a list MSP for Ruth - maybe we will get someone who wants to turn up at constituency surgeries!
    Apparently the survey included 16 - 18 year olds.
    Very different results in Survation.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,483
    isam said:

    There has to be a part in Midsomer Murders when Soubers loses her seat. Epic hammy acting

    https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/1122081939937218560?s=21

    If you repeat a lie firmly enough people will believe it.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,628
    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:
    I wonder how much they paid some marketing / PR people for that totally forgetable logo?

    God this is horrible
    Someone PAID for that!
    I think they should have chosen a swastika. That would get them much-needed publicity.
    A boot stamping on a face would do so as well and exemplify what the splitters stand for.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133

    isam said:

    There has to be a part in Midsomer Murders when Soubers loses her seat. Epic hammy acting

    https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/1122081939937218560?s=21

    If you repeat a lie firmly enough people will believe it.
    Lie early, lie often....copyright Mr D. Trump.
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