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  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,722
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Brexit Deal plus CU remains the likeliest outcome, it will infuriate Tory hardline Leavers wanting No Deal and many of them will vote Brexit Party or UKIP in the European Parliament elections and it will infuriate Labour hardline Remainers wanting EUref2 many of whom will vote CUK, LD or Green in the European Parliament elections but it will be acceptable to the median voter I think
    Problem with the median voter idea is that the distribution of political preferences over Brexit possibilities is bimodal and the middle ground is sparsely occupied. Though the median still matters for majority votes, it is likely to be highly unstable.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    RobD said:

    Does he actually believe what he wrote? I doubt it very much.
    The give away was him banging on about the wonders of socialism.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    RobD said:

    Does he actually believe what he wrote? I doubt it very much.
    Adonis? Obviously not.

    The whole thing is a complete own goal for Labour with Remainers though. They thought having a prominent Remain campaigner as a candidate would help them, but instead they've Ratnered themselves by forcing him to toe the line.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1121399218479013888

    twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1121468428236226560

    twitter.com/mocent0/status/1121510348845191168

    She was uniquely qualified for the job....is Lord Falconer still involved?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1121399218479013888

    twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1121468428236226560

    twitter.com/mocent0/status/1121510348845191168

    She was uniquely qualified for the job....is Lord Falconer still involved?
    I heard he resigned recently?
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    I note that Charlie Falconer has been appointed as Labour’s Head of Complaints.

    Does he have the staying power?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617
    RobD said:

    Does he actually believe what he wrote? I doubt it very much.
    If the Tiggers couldn't land Adonis, they really are a bag of shite....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, as Giuliani found out in 2008 leading in national polls is not great if you trail in Iowa and New Hampshire, he lost the former to Huckabee and the latter to McCain (the eventual GOP nominee) and never recovered. Thus I would say Sanders leading in New Hampshire and tied for the lead with Biden in New Hampshire gives Sanders the advantage at this stage

    Interesting: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/california/
    Based on the polls as they are now, and remembering that Texas and California are right at the start of the Primary season this time around. (And assuming there's an effective 5% cutoff for candidates), you get post Super Tuesday candidate shares of roughly:

    Biden 22%*
    Sanders 22%
    O'Rourke 18%
    Harris 16%
    Buttigieg 12%
    Warren 7%

    (Remember, taking out the bottom candidates scales everyone up a bit. And TX and CA have outsized impacts.)

    Everyone else essentially fails to make the cut. O'Rourke does well because he scores 33% in Texas and 16% in California.

    * Biden isn't prompted for in the CA and TX polls, so I had to guesstimate him.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,162
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, as Giuliani found out in 2008 leading in national polls is not great if you trail in Iowa and New Hampshire, he lost the former to Huckabee and the latter to McCain (the eventual GOP nominee) and never recovered. Thus I would say Sanders leading in New Hampshire and tied for the lead with Biden in New Hampshire gives Sanders the advantage at this stage

    Interesting: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/california/
    Sanders ahead in the latest California primary poll there, Biden in the previous one.

    Harris nowhere in her home state it seems
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,162
    geoffw said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Brexit Deal plus CU remains the likeliest outcome, it will infuriate Tory hardline Leavers wanting No Deal and many of them will vote Brexit Party or UKIP in the European Parliament elections and it will infuriate Labour hardline Remainers wanting EUref2 many of whom will vote CUK, LD or Green in the European Parliament elections but it will be acceptable to the median voter I think
    Problem with the median voter idea is that the distribution of political preferences over Brexit possibilities is bimodal and the middle ground is sparsely occupied. Though the median still matters for majority votes, it is likely to be highly unstable.
    Maybe but it reflects the fact Leave won but only narrowly
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I can’t get too irate about Crossrail delays. It’s big and complex. Problems were to be expected.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329

    I can’t get too irate about Crossrail delays. It’s big and complex. Problems were to be expected.

    A bit like Brexit - you’ve certainly not been irate about that!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, as Giuliani found out in 2008 leading in national polls is not great if you trail in Iowa and New Hampshire, he lost the former to Huckabee and the latter to McCain (the eventual GOP nominee) and never recovered. Thus I would say Sanders leading in New Hampshire and tied for the lead with Biden in New Hampshire gives Sanders the advantage at this stage

    Interesting: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/california/
    Based on the polls as they are now, and remembering that Texas and California are right at the start of the Primary season this time around. (And assuming there's an effective 5% cutoff for candidates), you get post Super Tuesday candidate shares of roughly:

    Biden 22%*
    Sanders 22%
    O'Rourke 18%
    Harris 16%
    Buttigieg 12%
    Warren 7%

    (Remember, taking out the bottom candidates scales everyone up a bit. And TX and CA have outsized impacts.)

    Everyone else essentially fails to make the cut. O'Rourke does well because he scores 33% in Texas and 16% in California.

    * Biden isn't prompted for in the CA and TX polls, so I had to guesstimate him.
    That’s interesting. It suggests Beto O’Rourke may be being underestimated.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884

    I can’t get too irate about Crossrail delays. It’s big and complex. Problems were to be expected.

    I hate the Central line, so perhaps I'm biased :)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    I can’t get too irate about Crossrail delays. It’s big and complex. Problems were to be expected.

    A bit like Brexit - you’ve certainly not been irate about that!
    It’s Leavers who claimed it was simple.

    I’m not irate about Brexit. It’s too disastrous to waste that kind of energy on it.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    I can’t get too irate about Crossrail delays. It’s big and complex. Problems were to be expected.

    A bit like Brexit - you’ve certainly not been irate about that!
    That would be the difference between "big and complex" and "big and complex and stupid".
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    This is wonderful. Check out the number of goalies.
    https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1121304558544850945
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131

    RobD said:

    Does he actually believe what he wrote? I doubt it very much.
    If the Tiggers couldn't land Adonis, they really are a bag of shite....
    Dodged bullet.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, as Giuliani found out in 2008 leading in national polls is not great if you trail in Iowa and New Hampshire, he lost the former to Huckabee and the latter to McCain (the eventual GOP nominee) and never recovered. Thus I would say Sanders leading in New Hampshire and tied for the lead with Biden in New Hampshire gives Sanders the advantage at this stage

    Interesting: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/california/
    Sanders ahead in the latest California primary poll there, Biden in the previous one.

    Harris nowhere in her home state it seems
    Harris is on 27%, one point behind first in those polls.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,162
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617
    HYUFD said:
    Past his bedtime....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, as Giuliani found out in 2008 leading in national polls is not great if you trail in Iowa and New Hampshire, he lost the former to Huckabee and the latter to McCain (the eventual GOP nominee) and never recovered. Thus I would say Sanders leading in New Hampshire and tied for the lead with Biden in New Hampshire gives Sanders the advantage at this stage

    Interesting: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/california/
    Sanders ahead in the latest California primary poll there, Biden in the previous one.

    Harris nowhere in her home state it seems
    Harris is on 27%, one point behind first in those polls.
    So you think Biden will be on ~0% in California ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, as Giuliani found out in 2008 leading in national polls is not great if you trail in Iowa and New Hampshire, he lost the former to Huckabee and the latter to McCain (the eventual GOP nominee) and never recovered. Thus I would say Sanders leading in New Hampshire and tied for the lead with Biden in New Hampshire gives Sanders the advantage at this stage

    Interesting: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/california/
    Sanders ahead in the latest California primary poll there, Biden in the previous one.

    Harris nowhere in her home state it seems
    Harris jumped 10 percentage points from 17 to 27% between those two polls.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Anorak said:

    This is wonderful. Check out the number of goalies.
    https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1121304558544850945

    Wonderful
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    _Anazina_ said:

    I note that Charlie Falconer has been appointed as Labour’s Head of Complaints.

    Does he have the staying power?

    He has a job on his hands....


    https://order-order.com/2019/04/25/labour-member-suspended-jewish-donors-remark-now-labour-spokesman/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    Scott_P said:
    Hmm, in the clip that's not really what she says.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, as Giuliani found out in 2008 leading in national polls is not great if you trail in Iowa and New Hampshire, he lost the former to Huckabee and the latter to McCain (the eventual GOP nominee) and never recovered. Thus I would say Sanders leading in New Hampshire and tied for the lead with Biden in New Hampshire gives Sanders the advantage at this stage

    Interesting: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/california/
    Sanders ahead in the latest California primary poll there, Biden in the previous one.

    Harris nowhere in her home state it seems
    Harris is on 27%, one point behind first in those polls.
    So you think Biden will be on ~0% in California ?
    Nope, I extrapolated as I said at the bottom. If you assume that the 27% for Harris is right. Scale everyone up for eliminating the bottom 10% of candidates, and then assume that Biden gets 20% of the non-Harris total (which is similar to how he scores of the non-O'Rourke number).

    Basically, I guessed, but they're reasonable guesses.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    Floater said:

    Anorak said:

    This is wonderful. Check out the number of goalies.
    https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1121304558544850945

    Wonderful
    Own goal, mind.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Scott_P said:
    Hmm, in the clip that's not really what she says.
    Yeah, it seems as though they were talking about "the videos".. i.e. the jihadist beheading ones. Categorise under fake news.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, as Giuliani found out in 2008 leading in national polls is not great if you trail in Iowa and New Hampshire, he lost the former to Huckabee and the latter to McCain (the eventual GOP nominee) and never recovered. Thus I would say Sanders leading in New Hampshire and tied for the lead with Biden in New Hampshire gives Sanders the advantage at this stage

    Interesting: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/california/
    Sanders ahead in the latest California primary poll there, Biden in the previous one.

    Harris nowhere in her home state it seems
    Harris is on 27%, one point behind first in those polls.
    So you think Biden will be on ~0% in California ?
    Nope, I extrapolated as I said at the bottom. If you assume that the 27% for Harris is right. Scale everyone up for eliminating the bottom 10% of candidates, and then assume that Biden gets 20% of the non-Harris total (which is similar to how he scores of the non-O'Rourke number).

    Basically, I guessed, but they're reasonable guesses.
    No, take a look again. One poll was clearly run without Biden running and the other with. The fieldwork dates, likely voter and research company are the same...

    Now, given we know Biden is running, which should be most accurate ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, as Giuliani found out in 2008 leading in national polls is not great if you trail in Iowa and New Hampshire, he lost the former to Huckabee and the latter to McCain (the eventual GOP nominee) and never recovered. Thus I would say Sanders leading in New Hampshire and tied for the lead with Biden in New Hampshire gives Sanders the advantage at this stage

    Interesting: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/california/
    Sanders ahead in the latest California primary poll there, Biden in the previous one.

    Harris nowhere in her home state it seems
    Harris is on 27%, one point behind first in those polls.
    So you think Biden will be on ~0% in California ?
    Nope, I extrapolated as I said at the bottom. If you assume that the 27% for Harris is right. Scale everyone up for eliminating the bottom 10% of candidates, and then assume that Biden gets 20% of the non-Harris total (which is similar to how he scores of the non-O'Rourke number).

    Basically, I guessed, but they're reasonable guesses.
    No, take a look again. One poll was clearly run without Biden running and the other with. The fieldwork dates, likely voter and research company are the same...

    Now, given we know Biden is running, which should be most accurate ?
    Oops.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, as Giuliani found out in 2008 leading in national polls is not great if you trail in Iowa and New Hampshire, he lost the former to Huckabee and the latter to McCain (the eventual GOP nominee) and never recovered. Thus I would say Sanders leading in New Hampshire and tied for the lead with Biden in New Hampshire gives Sanders the advantage at this stage

    Interesting: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/california/
    Sanders ahead in the latest California primary poll there, Biden in the previous one.

    Harris nowhere in her home state it seems
    Harris is on 27%, one point behind first in those polls.
    So you think Biden will be on ~0% in California ?
    Nope, I extrapolated as I said at the bottom. If you assume that the 27% for Harris is right. Scale everyone up for eliminating the bottom 10% of candidates, and then assume that Biden gets 20% of the non-Harris total (which is similar to how he scores of the non-O'Rourke number).

    Basically, I guessed, but they're reasonable guesses.
    No, take a look again. One poll was clearly run without Biden running and the other with. The fieldwork dates, likely voter and research company are the same...

    Now, given we know Biden is running, which should be most accurate ?
    Oops.

    Well that means that Harris loses two points, while Biden picks up one.

    (And the rest is lost in the roundings)

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617
    Floater said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    I note that Charlie Falconer has been appointed as Labour’s Head of Complaints.

    Does he have the staying power?

    He has a job on his hands....


    https://order-order.com/2019/04/25/labour-member-suspended-jewish-donors-remark-now-labour-spokesman/
    It's certainly a big old "Fuck you!! to Watson...
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Jonathan said:

    Sorry everyone for mentioning Oxford. It sets people off.

    We as a country have been missold PPE.

    It is known as Cowley Tech by the falsely modest helmets on here
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,741
    HYUFD said:
    Should split the nutter vote in the region quite well.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Dumb question, are the EU elections now absolutely definitely happening?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    _Anazina_ said:

    It is known as Cowley Tech by the falsely modest helmets on here

    First losers on University Challenge this week
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Scott_P said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    It is known as Cowley Tech by the falsely modest helmets on here

    First losers on University Challenge this week
    Standards clearly slipping.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:
    Should split the nutter vote in the region quite well.
    Taking of helmets...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Jonathan said:

    Dumb question, are the EU elections now absolutely definitely happening?

    They are definitely happening until they are not.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    _Anazina_ said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:
    Should split the nutter vote in the region quite well.
    Taking of helmets...
    Wee Willy Winky
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    edited April 2019
    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Dumb question, are the EU elections now absolutely definitely happening?

    They are definitely happening until they are not.
    Presumably May has to make *some* sort of insane effort to get the withdrawal agreement passed before then, even if it has no chance of succeeding, even if it involves a buy one get one free deal on owls AND unicorns, rather than just sighing, accepting the lot and preparing for the elections.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Scott_P said:
    Hmm, in the clip that's not really what she says.
    I just listened to the podcast... she slags off child porn and says its illegal, vile etc, but seems to think nothing should be censored on the internet inc jihadi videos... I don’t really get her point to be honest
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    edited April 2019
    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Dumb question, are the EU elections now absolutely definitely happening?

    They are definitely happening until they are not.
    How do returning officers go about recruiting the staff to run the polling stations?
    We are less than a month away. My partner, who is doing the locals, has been asked to provisionally book a day off for the Euros, on the chance they may happen. She is self-employed, and, by coincidence, has Thursday as her regular free day. How are others managing?
    Bear in mind they need to be verified and trained, so you can't just rustle up a few temps.
    Minor point, in the scheme of things, I guess...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    dixiedean said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Dumb question, are the EU elections now absolutely definitely happening?

    They are definitely happening until they are not.
    How do returning officers go about recruiting the staff to run the polling stations?
    We are less than a month away. My partner, who is doing the locals, has been asked to provisionally book a day off for the Euros, on the chance they may happen. She is self-employed, and, by coincidence, has Thursday as her regular free day. How are others managing?
    Bear in mind they need to be verified and trained, so you can't just rustle up a few temps.
    Minor point, in the scheme of things, I guess...
    Aren't they usually bank tellers?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    New Thread
  • Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    My flat is two minutes walk from Tottenham Court Road tube station, so I'm super keen on it opening asap.
    Don't hold your breath!
    What have you done with my Crossrail, CR???

    [another SNAFU on the Central line right now]
    It's hard. Really hard.

    Most of the Executives who set up the supply chain and governance structures ten years ago that led to the problems with systems integration in 2017/2018 bailed out years ago. They've got off scot-free. The ones who were there last year - when the music stopped - have taken all the blame.

    There are a few others who haven't put their public reputations first and who do most of the hard work. They've stuck around out of a sense of duty to, and passion for, the Crossrail Project and are continuing to do everything they can to get the Project over the line despite all the obstacles. They've been working hard and diligently throughout, and with little thanks.

    One lesson I've learnt is that it turns out that cuts no ice. The ones who bailed were the savvy ones. If you are still there on Day One after a disastrous announcement you still absorb opprobrium and blame regardless of your position or efforts, and are believed to be culpable.

    But, hey-ho - it's still the right thing to do: I couldn't live with myself if I'd quit, and I won't. Not until it opens.
    If it's any consolation, I love reading about the history of engineering (especially civil engineering) and vast numbers of projects have gone over budget and been delivered late - yet those timing and budget failures are only a footnote in history as we continue using the infrastructure created a century or two later.

    There's a bigger picture.
    Or of couse it could founder on a mess of incompatible systems, like the NHS computer system...
    Or a bridge across the Thames, or a few water cannon trucks...
    Boris cancelled the Thames Gateway Bridge, in east London.
    Met are reputedly investigating the missing £30 odd million at the request of a Westminster Committee who Boris tried to take the resultant of micturation out of...
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