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edited April 2019 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Biden is polling far better in the national primary surveys than in the first two states to decide

With Obama’s former VP, 76 year old Joe Biden, today entering the race for the WH2020 Democratic nomination he does so from a position of strength in national polls of party voters.

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  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,289
    edited April 2019
    I'm a butcher Jack and I'm alright, I work all day and I sleep all night ;)
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    "Pete butcher Jack" = Pete Buttigieg
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    If they go for Biden, they're making a mistake. Problem is all of the front runners (apart from Mayor Pete) will probably struggle again Trump, as strange and messed up at that sounds.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Freggles said:

    "Pete butcher Jack" = Pete Buttigieg

    The wonders of autocorrect!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Biden has a great chance I reckon.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    And sure, he's as ancient as methusalah.
    But: He has a full head of hair (& Bernie looks even older than Biden!) and isn't morbidly obese, traits shared by his main rivals.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    edited April 2019
    538 has a more measured assessment:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-joe-biden-could-win-the-2020-democratic-nomination/

    I appreciate Mike is pretty dismissive of Biden's prospects, but it seems a mistake to write off any of the top half dozen candidates at this point.
  • houndtanghoundtang Posts: 450

    Freggles said:

    "Pete butcher Jack" = Pete Buttigieg

    The wonders of autocorrect!
    That's what Trump will be calling him.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Pulpstar said:

    And sure, he's as ancient as methusalah.
    But: He has a full head of hair (& Bernie looks even older than Biden!) and isn't morbidly obese, traits shared by his main rivals.

    He'd be 82 at the end of his first term. That's going it a bit. Reagan was seen as old, and he was just 78 at the end of his second term - the same age Biden would be on inauguration.

    Of course people are working and staying healthy for longer nowadays, but even so, 82 is a stretch by any standard - let alone 86 if he stayed to the end of a second term.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    Pro_Rata said:

    I'm a butcher Jack and I'm alright, I work all day and I sleep all night ;)

    I served with Pete butcher Jack. I knew Pete butcher Jack. Pete butcher Jack was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Pete butcher Jack.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Nigelb said:

    538 has a more measured assessment:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-joe-biden-could-win-the-2020-democratic-nomination/

    I appreciate Mike is pretty dismissive of Biden's prospects, but it seems a mistake to write off any of the top half dozen candidates at this point.

    Yes, Nate's article is a good balanced assessment. Clearly Biden has a goodish chance, but it's early days and there are significant obstacles.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Pulpstar said:

    And sure, he's as ancient as methusalah.
    But: He has a full head of hair (& Bernie looks even older than Biden!) and isn't morbidly obese, traits shared by his main rivals.

    He'd be 82 at the end of his first term. That's going it a bit. Reagan was seen as old, and he was just 78 at the end of his second term - the same age Biden would be on inauguration.

    Of course people are working and staying healthy for longer nowadays, but even so, 82 is a stretch by any standard - let alone 86 if he stayed to the end of a second term.
    I think he might call it a day at the end of his first term, perhaps VP Buttigieg will take over. He looks spritely right now for a 76 year old man I think, but 4 years as president will age him so he'll be looking VERY old heading to his second term. I think his age is an issue, but not for this run.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    Look he's too old and that's all there is to it. They have 35 as the youngest you can be, why don't they have a maximum too?

    Suggest it is set at 1 year less than whatever Trump was when he was running in 2016.

    Once bitten.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238

    Nigelb said:

    538 has a more measured assessment:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-joe-biden-could-win-the-2020-democratic-nomination/

    I appreciate Mike is pretty dismissive of Biden's prospects, but it seems a mistake to write off any of the top half dozen candidates at this point.

    Yes, Nate's article is a good balanced assessment. Clearly Biden has a goodish chance, but it's early days and there are significant obstacles.
    An interesting question is who will be the top ten who make it to the first debate, and what metric will they apply to allocate spaces at the grownup version ?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/440599-booker-fundraises-off-biden-announcement
    The Democratic National Committee has said no more than 20 candidates will be allowed to attend debates with only 10 on stage at one time. Candidates must poll at 1 percent or more in three national or early primary state polls or receive contributions from at least 65,000 donors in 20 states to qualify....

    Anyone outside that is probably toast.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,813
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    A very large Republican field led to Trump. I wonder if an outsider might do the same with a legion of Democrat candidates.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    kinabalu said:

    Look he's too old and that's all there is to it. They have 35 as the youngest you can be, why don't they have a maximum too?

    Suggest it is set at 1 year less than whatever Trump was when he was running in 2016.

    Once bitten.

    "it is set"... would mean a constitutional amendment.
    The chances of any such thing happening in the foreseeable future is close to zero.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237

    I served with Pete butcher Jack. I knew Pete butcher Jack. Pete butcher Jack was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Pete butcher Jack.

    :-)

    Hey hey PBJ, how many kids did you kill today?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Eco-warrior glues her BREASTS to the road in most bizarre Extinction Rebellion stunt yet

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8934720/eco-warriors-glue-london-stock-exchange-climb-canary-wharf-train/
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    Eco-warrior glues her BREASTS to the road in most bizarre Extinction Rebellion stunt yet

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8934720/eco-warriors-glue-london-stock-exchange-climb-canary-wharf-train/

    What does she propose to do next?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    kinabalu said:

    I served with Pete butcher Jack. I knew Pete butcher Jack. Pete butcher Jack was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Pete butcher Jack.

    :-)

    Hey hey PBJ, how many kids did you kill today?
    'The only things I'm going to butcher are Trump's prospects for re-election...'
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238

    Eco-warrior glues her BREASTS to the road in most bizarre Extinction Rebellion stunt yet

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8934720/eco-warriors-glue-london-stock-exchange-climb-canary-wharf-train/

    What does she propose to do next?
    Hope her plan comes unstuck ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    A very large Republican field led to Trump. I wonder if an outsider might do the same with a legion of Democrat candidates.

    No.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,813
    Mr. Urquhart, an unorthodox way of filling in potholes.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    Pro_Rata said:

    I'm a butcher Jack and I'm alright, I work all day and I sleep all night ;)

    No-one pork barrels like Butcher Jack.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    538 has a more measured assessment:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-joe-biden-could-win-the-2020-democratic-nomination/

    I appreciate Mike is pretty dismissive of Biden's prospects, but it seems a mistake to write off any of the top half dozen candidates at this point.

    Yes, Nate's article is a good balanced assessment. Clearly Biden has a goodish chance, but it's early days and there are significant obstacles.
    An interesting question is who will be the top ten who make it to the first debate, and what metric will they apply to allocate spaces at the grownup version ?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/440599-booker-fundraises-off-biden-announcement
    The Democratic National Committee has said no more than 20 candidates will be allowed to attend debates with only 10 on stage at one time. Candidates must poll at 1 percent or more in three national or early primary state polls or receive contributions from at least 65,000 donors in 20 states to qualify....

    Anyone outside that is probably toast.
    8 more or less certain to make it to the first debate :

    Biden
    Sanders
    Buttigieg
    Harris
    Warren
    O 'Rourke
    Booker
    Klobuchar

    Then after 2 of:

    -----------
    Yang
    Castro
    Gillibrand
    Hickenlooper
    ------------

    I think perhaps Yang and Gillibrand.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,381

    Eco-warrior glues her BREASTS to the road in most bizarre Extinction Rebellion stunt yet

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8934720/eco-warriors-glue-london-stock-exchange-climb-canary-wharf-train/

    What does she propose to do next?
    Glue her buttocks to Buckingham Palace.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    Nigelb said:

    "it is set"... would mean a constitutional amendment.
    The chances of any such thing happening in the foreseeable future is close to zero.

    Mmm, I know. And to be of any real use it would have to be backdated to 2016 and have retrospective and immediate effect. Even less chance of that.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Stacey Abrams announcing as a VP running mate might well be a decent boost for whoever she goes for.
    Probably not Harris..
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    Sean_F said:

    Eco-warrior glues her BREASTS to the road in most bizarre Extinction Rebellion stunt yet

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8934720/eco-warriors-glue-london-stock-exchange-climb-canary-wharf-train/

    What does she propose to do next?
    Glue her buttocks to Buckingham Palace.
    If Tessy can do it to Downing St..
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Eco-warrior glues her BREASTS to the road in most bizarre Extinction Rebellion stunt yet

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8934720/eco-warriors-glue-london-stock-exchange-climb-canary-wharf-train/

    What does she propose to do next?
    Rent herself out for bicycle parking.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Eco-warrior glues her BREASTS to the road in most bizarre Extinction Rebellion stunt yet

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8934720/eco-warriors-glue-london-stock-exchange-climb-canary-wharf-train/

    What does she propose to do next?
    Rent herself out for bicycle parking.
    Thread winner...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    edited April 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    Stacey Abrams announcing as a VP running mate might well be a decent boost for whoever she goes for.
    Probably not Harris..

    I rather doubt any VP candidate will be announced until the convention, which unless someone runs away from the pack (in which case they would wait anyway) could well be contested.
    Offering a VP slot would be all part of the negotiation at that point.

    And Abrams has been pretty clear she's not going to play that game anyway. She'll possibly run herself, or more likely run for the Senate.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    Trump reacts with his particular brand of charm...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1121388967444799488
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,492
    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited April 2019
    Looking through the murkier depths of the 20-strong declared field, I wonder whether Eric Stalwell might be a bit of a dark horse? Anyway I've punted a few quid at an average 271 on him.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    "Crossrail to open on Brexit Day"
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    Meaningful Announcement 3?
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    Crossrail and Brexit have much in common. Deadlines fixed years back keep getting pushed back!

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    The nation trembles in anticipation. This is going to bigger than that Xmas when Ange left Dirty Den.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Dura_Ace said:

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    The nation trembles in anticipation. This is going to bigger than that Xmas when Ange left Dirty Den.
    Ones for the kids that reference...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,900
    Afternoon all :)

    So it's to be "Sleepy Joe" is it ? Could be worse I suppose thought that will resonate with those who worry about Biden's age. There is a counter-intuitive view a leader who sleeps a lot and doesn't do anything might not be the worst thing ever - depends on your view of masterly inactivity I suppose.

    Back to the usual and we continue in our ever decreasing circles as May latches on to the fact the only thing which did once get a majority was the Brady Amendment - WA minus backstop. The only strategy left seems to be somehow to cajole or coerce the EU into dropping the backstop but there's been zero indication they are prepared to do anything meaningful so that's another road closed off.

    With no majority for the WA, leaving without the WA, revoking A50 or a second referendum and a Conservative Party polling in the high 20s unlikely to be keen on a GE, the clock counts down to another cliff edge and presumably another extension beyond 31/10.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    My flat is two minutes walk from Tottenham Court Road tube station, so I'm super keen on it opening asap.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Cyclefree said:

    U

    TOPPING said:


    How far tolerant societies should tolerate the threat from the intolerant is one of the most pressing questions of our times. Only up to a point is I think the honest answer, and indeed the revealed preference of these societies. Where that point is depends on your tolerance to the threat and that in part depends on whether the threat is to you and your loved ones directly. "if you tolerate this, your children will be next" turned out to be prophetic, after all.

    So you are saying, to take a couple of counter examples, someone to whom fox-hunting is a crucial part of their way of life (and there are many such people), or someone who holds deeply-held religious views which mean they disapprove of schools teaching their children about LBGT rights, should not be tolerant of the threat to their way of life from the intolerance of metropolitan liberals?
    Be.
    The exhaustive Burns Report concluded that fox hunting was not cruel.
    Has the author of that report ever been ripped apart by a pack of dogs? I think the slaughtered foxes are the best judges of what amounts to cruelty.
    Ask a lamb or pregnant sheep or hen savaged by a fox what they think of foxes, if we’re going to get into asking animals what they think.

    The Burn report concluded that foxes were pests and needed to be culled and that many of the other ways of culling them were equally if not crueller than fox-hunting.

    But the argument on this has been done. It’s not going to be brought back, foxes are still culled and trail hunting is still going on. There are more important issues in the countryside for politicians to address, if they can be bothered.
    Pests. Abject nonsense. The only pest species on this planet is humankind.
    Really? The only pest species?

    That kind of hyperbole just undermines any point you want to make. And no, I dont support fox hunting.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Pulpstar said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    538 has a more measured assessment:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-joe-biden-could-win-the-2020-democratic-nomination/

    I appreciate Mike is pretty dismissive of Biden's prospects, but it seems a mistake to write off any of the top half dozen candidates at this point.

    Yes, Nate's article is a good balanced assessment. Clearly Biden has a goodish chance, but it's early days and there are significant obstacles.
    An interesting question is who will be the top ten who make it to the first debate, and what metric will they apply to allocate spaces at the grownup version ?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/440599-booker-fundraises-off-biden-announcement
    The Democratic National Committee has said no more than 20 candidates will be allowed to attend debates with only 10 on stage at one time. Candidates must poll at 1 percent or more in three national or early primary state polls or receive contributions from at least 65,000 donors in 20 states to qualify....

    Anyone outside that is probably toast.
    8 more or less certain to make it to the first debate :

    Biden
    Sanders
    Buttigieg
    Harris
    Warren
    O 'Rourke
    Booker
    Klobuchar

    Then after 2 of:

    -----------
    Yang
    Castro
    Gillibrand
    Hickenlooper
    ------------

    I think perhaps Yang and Gillibrand.
    What's happened to Hickenlooper? Seem to recall OGH was quite keen.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Pulpstar said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    538 has a more measured assessment:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-joe-biden-could-win-the-2020-democratic-nomination/

    I appreciate Mike is pretty dismissive of Biden's prospects, but it seems a mistake to write off any of the top half dozen candidates at this point.

    Yes, Nate's article is a good balanced assessment. Clearly Biden has a goodish chance, but it's early days and there are significant obstacles.
    An interesting question is who will be the top ten who make it to the first debate, and what metric will they apply to allocate spaces at the grownup version ?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/440599-booker-fundraises-off-biden-announcement
    The Democratic National Committee has said no more than 20 candidates will be allowed to attend debates with only 10 on stage at one time. Candidates must poll at 1 percent or more in three national or early primary state polls or receive contributions from at least 65,000 donors in 20 states to qualify....

    Anyone outside that is probably toast.
    8 more or less certain to make it to the first debate :

    Biden
    Sanders
    Buttigieg
    Harris
    Warren
    O 'Rourke
    Booker
    Klobuchar

    Then after 2 of:

    -----------
    Yang
    Castro
    Gillibrand
    Hickenlooper
    ------------

    I think perhaps Yang and Gillibrand.
    What's happened to Hickenlooper? Seem to recall OGH was quite keen.
    Repurposed himself as a radiohead tribute act when it was pointed out that he anagrams to "OK Necrophile."
  • kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    U

    TOPPING said:


    How far tolerant societies should tolerate the threat from the intolerant is one of the most pressing questions of our times. Only up to a point is I think the honest answer, and indeed the revealed preference of these societies. Where that point is depends on your tolerance to the threat and that in part depends on whether the threat is to you and your loved ones directly. "if you tolerate this, your children will be next" turned out to be prophetic, after all.

    So you are saying, to take a couple of counter examples, someone to whom fox-hunting is a crucial part of their way of life (and there are many such people), or someone who holds deeply-held religious views which mean they disapprove of schools teaching their children about LBGT rights, should not be tolerant of the threat to their way of life from the intolerance of metropolitan liberals?
    Be.
    The exhaustive Burns Report concluded that fox hunting was not cruel.
    Has the author of that report ever been ripped apart by a pack of dogs? I think the slaughtered foxes are the best judges of what amounts to cruelty.
    Ask a lamb or pregnant sheep or hen savaged by a fox what they think of foxes, if we’re going to get into asking animals what they think.

    The Burn report concluded that foxes were pests and needed to be culled and that many of the other ways of culling them were equally if not crueller than fox-hunting.

    But the argument on this has been done. It’s not going to be brought back, foxes are still culled and trail hunting is still going on. There are more important issues in the countryside for politicians to address, if they can be bothered.
    Pests. Abject nonsense. The only pest species on this planet is humankind.
    Really? The only pest species?

    That kind of hyperbole just undermines any point you want to make. And no, I dont support fox hunting.
    Pests are the right animals in the wrong place. Same as weeds being the right plant in the wrong place. Or Theresa May.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    So it's to be "Sleepy Joe" is it ? Could be worse I suppose thought that will resonate with those who worry about Biden's age. There is a counter-intuitive view a leader who sleeps a lot and doesn't do anything might not be the worst thing ever - depends on your view of masterly inactivity I suppose.

    I presume Sleepy was also chosen because it rhymes with Creepy.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    So it's to be "Sleepy Joe" is it ? Could be worse I suppose thought that will resonate with those who worry about Biden's age. There is a counter-intuitive view a leader who sleeps a lot and doesn't do anything might not be the worst thing ever - depends on your view of masterly inactivity I suppose.

    I presume Sleepy was also chosen because it rhymes with Creepy.
    Yes, it's very clever - just enough of an echo without being too blatant.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773

    Eco-warrior glues her BREASTS to the road in most bizarre Extinction Rebellion stunt yet

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8934720/eco-warriors-glue-london-stock-exchange-climb-canary-wharf-train/

    Its' all rather hideiously white and middle class isn't it...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Eco-warrior glues her BREASTS to the road in most bizarre Extinction Rebellion stunt yet

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8934720/eco-warriors-glue-london-stock-exchange-climb-canary-wharf-train/

    Is glueing the new thing or something?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Dura_Ace said:

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    The nation trembles in anticipation. This is going to bigger than that Xmas when Ange left Dirty Den.
    Ones for the kids that reference...
    Dirty Den left her in fact
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Pulpstar said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    538 has a more measured assessment:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-joe-biden-could-win-the-2020-democratic-nomination/

    I appreciate Mike is pretty dismissive of Biden's prospects, but it seems a mistake to write off any of the top half dozen candidates at this point.

    Yes, Nate's article is a good balanced assessment. Clearly Biden has a goodish chance, but it's early days and there are significant obstacles.
    An interesting question is who will be the top ten who make it to the first debate, and what metric will they apply to allocate spaces at the grownup version ?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/440599-booker-fundraises-off-biden-announcement
    The Democratic National Committee has said no more than 20 candidates will be allowed to attend debates with only 10 on stage at one time. Candidates must poll at 1 percent or more in three national or early primary state polls or receive contributions from at least 65,000 donors in 20 states to qualify....

    Anyone outside that is probably toast.
    8 more or less certain to make it to the first debate :

    Biden
    Sanders
    Buttigieg
    Harris
    Warren
    O 'Rourke
    Booker
    Klobuchar

    Then after 2 of:

    -----------
    Yang
    Castro
    Gillibrand
    Hickenlooper
    ------------

    I think perhaps Yang and Gillibrand.
    What's happened to Hickenlooper? Seem to recall OGH was quite keen.
    OGH's general strategy in these races of trying to back all viable longshots at big prices is a good one, but they aren't all going to get traction and are big prices for a reason.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,813
    Mr. D, it's for people who want to make pritts of themselves.
  • TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 1,729

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    So it's to be "Sleepy Joe" is it ? Could be worse I suppose thought that will resonate with those who worry about Biden's age. There is a counter-intuitive view a leader who sleeps a lot and doesn't do anything might not be the worst thing ever - depends on your view of masterly inactivity I suppose.

    I presume Sleepy was also chosen because it rhymes with Creepy.
    Surely he's a bit too 'hands on' to run in the #metoo age? Sure, he's not in the same league as Trump, but "at least I didn't grab 'em by the pussy" is hardly a good slogan..
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,289

    Eco-warrior glues her BREASTS to the road in most bizarre Extinction Rebellion stunt yet

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8934720/eco-warriors-glue-london-stock-exchange-climb-canary-wharf-train/

    What does she propose to do next?
    Let me see, cylindrical fluid filled objects placed flush against an engineered surface. Leave her alone, isn't it clear she's merely using her spirit levels?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    "Crossrail to open on Brexit Day"
    Honestly I think "which first, Brexit or trains from Reading to Shenfield" might be a decent market.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Pulpstar said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    538 has a more measured assessment:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-joe-biden-could-win-the-2020-democratic-nomination/

    I appreciate Mike is pretty dismissive of Biden's prospects, but it seems a mistake to write off any of the top half dozen candidates at this point.

    Yes, Nate's article is a good balanced assessment. Clearly Biden has a goodish chance, but it's early days and there are significant obstacles.
    An interesting question is who will be the top ten who make it to the first debate, and what metric will they apply to allocate spaces at the grownup version ?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/440599-booker-fundraises-off-biden-announcement
    The Democratic National Committee has said no more than 20 candidates will be allowed to attend debates with only 10 on stage at one time. Candidates must poll at 1 percent or more in three national or early primary state polls or receive contributions from at least 65,000 donors in 20 states to qualify....

    Anyone outside that is probably toast.
    8 more or less certain to make it to the first debate :

    Biden
    Sanders
    Buttigieg
    Harris
    Warren
    O 'Rourke
    Booker
    Klobuchar

    Then after 2 of:

    -----------
    Yang
    Castro
    Gillibrand
    Hickenlooper
    ------------

    I think perhaps Yang and Gillibrand.
    Klobuchar and Yang are the two I'd look at given the time, simply because their odds are all over the shop. The question is whether the shorter or longer prices are correct.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,900
    Plenty of polling news around Europe in the last few days but attention shifting to the election to the Cortes in Spain on Sunday. With polls banned in the last few days we are relying on what could look very old evidence come Sunday night.

    In June 2016 PP won 137 seats on 33% of the vote. PSOE won 85 on 22.6%, Podemos won 71 on 21.2% and Citizens won 32 on 13.1%. After weeks of wrangling, PP formed a minority Government supported by some Independents.

    The Rajoy Government was voted out of office in the Cortes on June 1st 2018 and a PSOE Government formed under Sanchez - again with a few Independents involved.

    The most recent polls all show PSOE ahead - the Electomania poll has a very large sample (11,000) but I don't know if they are the same people being re-polled or a new panel - my Spanish isn't up to it.

    The Key Data poll for the online newspaper Publico puts PSOE on 29.4% (128 seats), PP on 20.4% (83), Citizens on 15.3% (53), Podemos on 13.1% (34) and VOX on 10.4% (22) and the Republican Left of Catalonia winning 14 seats on 3.3%.

    As with 2016, hard to see where a majority is coming from. PP, Citizens and VOX come to 158 so short but could they fashion a deal with some independents? PSOE, Podemos and the Republican Left would scrape over the line but is there a deal given Sanchez's attitude to Catalonian separatism?

    The Electomania seat forecasts are PSOE 111, PP 74, Citizens 53, Podemos 40, VOX 37 and Republican Left 6. On those number a PP/Citizens/VOX are on 164 with PSOE/Podemos and Rep Left on 157 so again a small number of Independents might hold the balance.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,900
    If no one else has mentioned it, it was ANZAC day in NZ and Australia yesterday (because in NZ it's already Friday morning).

    It's also 45 years since the Carnation Revolution in Portugal when the Army overthrew the Estado Nero Government of Marcelo Caetano.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    stodge said:

    If no one else has mentioned it, it was ANZAC day in NZ and Australia yesterday (because in NZ it's already Friday morning).

    It's also 45 years since the Carnation Revolution in Portugal when the Army overthrew the Estado Nero Government of Marcelo Caetano.

    I think it's celebrated as Hannan day in the UK now?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    rcs1000 said:

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    My flat is two minutes walk from Tottenham Court Road tube station, so I'm super keen on it opening asap.
    I was hoping to ride on it before I die! Bucket list!!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038
    Scott_P said:
    Change UK are really struggling for candidates.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    stodge said:

    Plenty of polling news around Europe in the last few days but attention shifting to the election to the Cortes in Spain on Sunday. With polls banned in the last few days we are relying on what could look very old evidence come Sunday night.

    In June 2016 PP won 137 seats on 33% of the vote. PSOE won 85 on 22.6%, Podemos won 71 on 21.2% and Citizens won 32 on 13.1%. After weeks of wrangling, PP formed a minority Government supported by some Independents.

    The Rajoy Government was voted out of office in the Cortes on June 1st 2018 and a PSOE Government formed under Sanchez - again with a few Independents involved.

    The most recent polls all show PSOE ahead - the Electomania poll has a very large sample (11,000) but I don't know if they are the same people being re-polled or a new panel - my Spanish isn't up to it.

    The Key Data poll for the online newspaper Publico puts PSOE on 29.4% (128 seats), PP on 20.4% (83), Citizens on 15.3% (53), Podemos on 13.1% (34) and VOX on 10.4% (22) and the Republican Left of Catalonia winning 14 seats on 3.3%.

    As with 2016, hard to see where a majority is coming from. PP, Citizens and VOX come to 158 so short but could they fashion a deal with some independents? PSOE, Podemos and the Republican Left would scrape over the line but is there a deal given Sanchez's attitude to Catalonian separatism?

    The Electomania seat forecasts are PSOE 111, PP 74, Citizens 53, Podemos 40, VOX 37 and Republican Left 6. On those number a PP/Citizens/VOX are on 164 with PSOE/Podemos and Rep Left on 157 so again a small number of Independents might hold the balance.

    I don't know what you mean. Electomania hasn't asked ANYONE for their political opinions, only their thoughts on a range of emojies.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237

    Yes, it's very clever - just enough of an echo without being too blatant.

    I agree. It's bordering on genius. We have in this president a man of considerable talent when it comes to thinking up nicknames for people. He really has raised the bar in this respect. Churlish not to acknowledge that.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,289
    edited April 2019
    Scott_P said:
    The nominations are published 5pm today unless there are any objections, which would in themselves indicate something possibly interesting.

    The SW announcement was a day ahead as the timetable there also has to take into account an additional public holiday in Gibraltar.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    edited April 2019
    stodge said:

    If no one else has mentioned it, it was ANZAC day in NZ and Australia yesterday (because in NZ it's already Friday morning).

    It's also 45 years since the Carnation Revolution in Portugal when the Army overthrew the Estado Nero Government of Marcelo Caetano.

    Remember it well. Was on holiday there. Flew home a few days before the coup.
    That same July, we were in Cyprus. Flew home the night before the coup, which led to the Turkish invasion a week or so later.
    Even as a child, was aware I had visited two places which would never be the same again.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,900



    I don't know what you mean. Electomania hasn't asked ANYONE for their political opinions, only their thoughts on a range of emojies.

    Are we then to suppose the 11,000 or so who have responded are in any way "representative" or "sampled" - I think it's a bit more than just saying whether you prefer water to a rose or an aubergine to an orange.

    It looks like a poll, smells like a poll and sounds like a poll - it's probably a poll.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237

    What's happened to Hickenlooper? Seem to recall OGH was quite keen.

    These American names!

    Hickenlooper sounds like he should be battling on the back nine on Sunday to win a minor tournament, pursued every inch of the way by the apocryphal JJ Spatula.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    stodge said:



    I don't know what you mean. Electomania hasn't asked ANYONE for their political opinions, only their thoughts on a range of emojies.

    Are we then to suppose the 11,000 or so who have responded are in any way "representative" or "sampled" - I think it's a bit more than just saying whether you prefer water to a rose or an aubergine to an orange.

    It looks like a poll, smells like a poll and sounds like a poll - it's probably a poll.
    Of course it's a poll, I just think it's a bit silly and rather funny :)

    I think Electomania's 11k "sample" is a rolling panel type poll, but I'm not 100%.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Peston just reporting Labours National Policy forum has voted unanimously for a second vote on any deal as part of the EU manifesto .

    Problems for Corbyn now as that forum includes some of the biggest unions , constituency representatives , MEPs and MPs.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,683
    kinabalu said:

    Yes, it's very clever - just enough of an echo without being too blatant.

    I agree. It's bordering on genius. We have in this president a man of considerable talent when it comes to thinking up nicknames for people. He really has raised the bar in this respect. Churlish not to acknowledge that.
    Yes, surely the most devious playing around with appellations since Churchill used to pronounce the first syllable of 'Nazi' to rhyme with 'jazz' instead of 'arts'.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    A very large Republican field led to Trump. I wonder if an outsider might do the same with a legion of Democrat candidates.

    There is one major difference. The Republican primaries were mostly winner takes all. So, (1) it makes a contested convention difficult as few candidates win any primaries, and (2) the field tends to consolidate very quickly. If you've not won a few primaries by the end of Super Tuesday, you are very definitely out.

    In the Democratic Primary this time around, you might easily have four or five candidates with more than 10% of the delegates at the end of Super Tuesday.

    What this means is that the chances of contested convention are quite high, especially with so many big state contests happening when there will be so many candidates. (Put in context for a second: third or fourth in California could net you more delegates than first in both Iowa and New Hampshire.)

    A contested convention is good news for Biden, who's a compromise pick and an old Pope all in one. But it's bad news for Sanders, who will struggle to get either Superdelegate votes or transfers.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    "Crossrail to open on Brexit Day"
    The Elizabeth Line to be renamed the Brexit Line?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    edited April 2019
    kinabalu said:

    What's happened to Hickenlooper? Seem to recall OGH was quite keen.

    These American names!

    Hickenlooper sounds like he should be battling on the back nine on Sunday to win a minor tournament, pursued every inch of the way by the apocryphal JJ Spatula.
    As I recall many such surnames arise from one regional administrator tasked with allocating the Jewish population of the part of partitioned Poland that was annexed in the 1790s to Germany (Prussia) with surnames, and doing so arbitrarily by making up names from whatever words came into his mind. For reasons of history the surviving descendants are mostly now in America.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    rcs1000 said:

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    "Crossrail to open on Brexit Day"
    The Elizabeth Line to be renamed the Brexit Line?
    Or the Elizabeth Bowes Line?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    538 has a more measured assessment:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-joe-biden-could-win-the-2020-democratic-nomination/

    I appreciate Mike is pretty dismissive of Biden's prospects, but it seems a mistake to write off any of the top half dozen candidates at this point.

    Yes, Nate's article is a good balanced assessment. Clearly Biden has a goodish chance, but it's early days and there are significant obstacles.
    An interesting question is who will be the top ten who make it to the first debate, and what metric will they apply to allocate spaces at the grownup version ?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/440599-booker-fundraises-off-biden-announcement
    The Democratic National Committee has said no more than 20 candidates will be allowed to attend debates with only 10 on stage at one time. Candidates must poll at 1 percent or more in three national or early primary state polls or receive contributions from at least 65,000 donors in 20 states to qualify....

    Anyone outside that is probably toast.
    8 more or less certain to make it to the first debate :

    Biden
    Sanders
    Buttigieg
    Harris
    Warren
    O 'Rourke
    Booker
    Klobuchar

    Then after 2 of:

    -----------
    Yang
    Castro
    Gillibrand
    Hickenlooper
    ------------

    I think perhaps Yang and Gillibrand.
    What's happened to Hickenlooper? Seem to recall OGH was quite keen.
    Repurposed himself as a radiohead tribute act when it was pointed out that he anagrams to "OK Necrophile."
    Otoh Nunzi (or whatever daft nickname you attach to Annunziata) was overjoyed that her anagram fits right in.

    https://twitter.com/Fabapocalypse/status/1121347797343715328
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,712
    rcs1000 said:

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    "Crossrail to open on Brexit Day"
    The Elizabeth Line to be renamed the Brexit Line?
    That won't be work, as Crossrail has an end (in fact, three ends), whilst Brexit is never-ending. As such, the Circle line should be restarted and renamed the Brexit line (with no passengers allowed to travel from the south or east).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    rcs1000 said:

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    "Crossrail to open on Brexit Day"
    The Elizabeth Line to be renamed the Brexit Line?
    Are they just sitting on all those new 50ps?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,573
    RobD said:

    Eco-warrior glues her BREASTS to the road in most bizarre Extinction Rebellion stunt yet

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8934720/eco-warriors-glue-london-stock-exchange-climb-canary-wharf-train/

    Is glueing the new thing or something?
    Completely ignoring people who glue themselves to things sounds quite a good strategy where practicable. Other eco-warriors can unglue their friends when they get bored.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    What's happened to Hickenlooper? Seem to recall OGH was quite keen.

    These American names!

    Hickenlooper sounds like he should be battling on the back nine on Sunday to win a minor tournament, pursued every inch of the way by the apocryphal JJ Spatula.
    As I recall many such surnames arise from one regional administrator tasked with allocating the Jewish population of the part of partitioned Poland that was annexed in the 1790s to Germany (Prussia) with surnames, and doing so arbitrarily by making up names from whatever words came into his mind. For reasons of history the surviving descendants are mostly now in America.
    In some cases, the immigrants would do it themselves. One of my friends is named after the name on a lorry, apparently. I suppose names that looked a bit German were unhelpful during the first half of the last century.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "UK, Kantar Public poll:

    European Union Membership Referendum

    Remain: 55% (+1)
    Leave: 45% (-1)

    +/- vs. 4-8 April

    Fieldwork: 19 February-4 March 2019
    Sample Size: ~1,000"
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,900



    Of course it's a poll, I just think it's a bit silly and rather funny :)

    I think Electomania's 11k "sample" is a rolling panel type poll, but I'm not 100%.

    That's my only concern - is it a "rolling poll" re-sampling the same people or a different set of voters each time? The PSOE rating is the lowest in any poll for some time but the fall seemed to split between Podemos and PP so may not be too significant in terms of seats.

    Given PP and Citizens joined with VOX to take over Andalucia in January I wonder if that might be the national scenario but presumably that might help PSOE build a coalition to keep VOX out of power.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    rcs1000 said:

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    "Crossrail to open on Brexit Day"
    The Elizabeth Line to be renamed the Brexit Line?
    A long dark tunnel and no one knows when it will be finished.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    AndyJS said:

    "UK, Kantar Public poll:

    European Union Membership Referendum

    Remain: 55% (+1)
    Leave: 45% (-1)

    +/- vs. 4-8 April

    Fieldwork: 19 February-4 March 2019
    Sample Size: ~1,000"

    Not a single poll in over 18 months has had Leave ahead . You can see why Leavers don’t want another EU referendum.
  • blueblueblueblue Posts: 875

    rcs1000 said:

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    "Crossrail to open on Brexit Day"
    The Elizabeth Line to be renamed the Brexit Line?
    Or the Elizabeth Bowes Line?
    Bravo!
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    Z

    rcs1000 said:

    Expect a big announcement on Crossrail later tonight or early tomorrow morning. Main Board meeting right now.

    It will still carry a lot of risk in it (opening date) before anyone asks.

    "Crossrail to open on Brexit Day"
    The Elizabeth Line to be renamed the Brexit Line?
    That won't be work, as Crossrail has an end (in fact, three ends), whilst Brexit is never-ending. As such, the Circle line should be restarted and renamed the Brexit line (with no passengers allowed to travel from the south or east).
    Almost as poetic as the Rue du Brexit in France, which not only goes nowhere but does a u-turn and rejoins Rue Robert Schuman

    Rue du Brexit
    30300 Beaucaire, France
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/3aLPhDKJFtp6de4P7
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    nico67 said:

    AndyJS said:

    "UK, Kantar Public poll:

    European Union Membership Referendum

    Remain: 55% (+1)
    Leave: 45% (-1)

    +/- vs. 4-8 April

    Fieldwork: 19 February-4 March 2019
    Sample Size: ~1,000"

    Not a single poll in over 18 months has had Leave ahead . You can see why Leavers don’t want another EU referendum.
    Fine with another referendum, after the first has been enacted.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914
    RobD said:

    nico67 said:

    AndyJS said:

    "UK, Kantar Public poll:

    European Union Membership Referendum

    Remain: 55% (+1)
    Leave: 45% (-1)

    +/- vs. 4-8 April

    Fieldwork: 19 February-4 March 2019
    Sample Size: ~1,000"

    Not a single poll in over 18 months has had Leave ahead . You can see why Leavers don’t want another EU referendum.
    Fine with another referendum, after the first has been enacted.
    ... unfortunately it's not possible, leavers can't agree what 'Leave' means.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Oh dear, Joe Biden seems to have gaffed by quoting the Declaration of Independence in his opening campaign email.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    RobD said:

    nico67 said:

    AndyJS said:

    "UK, Kantar Public poll:

    European Union Membership Referendum

    Remain: 55% (+1)
    Leave: 45% (-1)

    +/- vs. 4-8 April

    Fieldwork: 19 February-4 March 2019
    Sample Size: ~1,000"

    Not a single poll in over 18 months has had Leave ahead . You can see why Leavers don’t want another EU referendum.
    Fine with another referendum, after the first has been enacted.
    It has. People voted for chaos, and we've got it.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    nico67 said:

    AndyJS said:

    "UK, Kantar Public poll:

    European Union Membership Referendum

    Remain: 55% (+1)
    Leave: 45% (-1)

    +/- vs. 4-8 April

    Fieldwork: 19 February-4 March 2019
    Sample Size: ~1,000"

    Not a single poll in over 18 months has had Leave ahead . You can see why Leavers don’t want another EU referendum.
    Fine with another referendum, after the first has been enacted.
    It has. People voted for chaos, and we've got it.
    Don't blame me, I voted for Cameron in 2015. :smiley:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Oh dear, Joe Biden seems to have gaffed by quoting the Declaration of Independence in his opening campaign email.

    How's that a gaffe ?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    8,000 Britons may need to be evacuated from Sri Lanka according to the BBC. I hope the government has contingency plans in place.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,381
    nico67 said:

    AndyJS said:

    "UK, Kantar Public poll:

    European Union Membership Referendum

    Remain: 55% (+1)
    Leave: 45% (-1)

    +/- vs. 4-8 April

    Fieldwork: 19 February-4 March 2019
    Sample Size: ~1,000"

    Not a single poll in over 18 months has had Leave ahead . You can see why Leavers don’t want another EU referendum.
    Opinium and YouGov have recently shown pluralities for Leave.

    The Kantar poll includes people aged 16-18 and EU nationals, so is not directly comparable to UK polls.
  • AxiomaticAxiomatic Posts: 21
    AndyJS said:

    8,000 Britons may need to be evacuated from Sri Lanka according to the BBC. I hope the government has contingency plans in place.

    Heavens, that sounds a bit apocalyptic. Presumably the Govt has inside info that more is to come? When did we last evacuate all Britons from an entire country?
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