It's an interesting development. Perhaps CUK see themselves not as the heirs to Blair but as the heirs to Cameron and one nation conservatism.
Some people may be reading this all wrong - the Conservatives are now facing a pincer movement from CUK on one side and the Brexit Party on the other. The alignment may be on the centre-right after all.
There’s absolutely nothing official that I can find that says Change UK have joined the EPP.
Yes but the suffragettes weren't directing their violence against the symbols and triumphs of their own success.
Climate change morons attacking the environmentally friendly public transport systems which are designed to help them achieve their aims is really, really stupid. Of course gluing yourself to a car or lorry is a far more risky business as the driver will probably just drive off with you still stuck to it.
Difficult to interpret question - does it only apply to the protests in London (in which case I don't oppose it) or more generally (in which case I do)?
How do we read across from the referendum when for one thing the electorate is not the same? Are not EU citizens from the 27 allowed to vote as opposed to just the 3 in the referendum ( ROI, Malta, and Cyprus)?
It's an interesting development. Perhaps CUK see themselves not as the heirs to Blair but as the heirs to Cameron and one nation conservatism.
Some people may be reading this all wrong - the Conservatives are now facing a pincer movement from CUK on one side and the Brexit Party on the other. The alignment may be on the centre-right after all.
There’s absolutely nothing official that I can find that says Change UK have joined the EPP.
Yeah, it seems to just be based on Europe Elects' Twitter.
It's an interesting development. Perhaps CUK see themselves not as the heirs to Blair but as the heirs to Cameron and one nation conservatism.
Some people may be reading this all wrong - the Conservatives are now facing a pincer movement from CUK on one side and the Brexit Party on the other. The alignment may be on the centre-right after all.
There’s absolutely nothing official that I can find that says Change UK have joined the EPP.
Wikipedia lists TIG/Change UK as having two MEPs (defectors from the Conservatives) who are part of the EPP. Sure, it's not official, but doesn't seem ridiculous.
Personally I would leave the Tories and Labour out of any calculations. I’m more interested in UKIP+Brexit Party+DUP vs LD, TIG, Green, PC, SNP & others
Agreed although i'm interested to see whether either Labour or Tories manage to clarify their position during the campaign.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
Leavers drew Man City and Huddersfield in the PL sweepstake and threw away the Man City slip.
In my eyes we will always have won that referendum. The fact that MP's are too vain to listen to the public was the main reason why
Of course you won it but you run a very great risk of throwing it away.
Don't lump me in with MP's! The public aren't to blame
The public voted for something for which there was a non-trivial probability that PRECISELY THIS would happen,
Of course it was a non trivial possibility that MPs vanity would make it unable for them to respect the referendum, but you cant blame us for that
Scooters business model doesn't work apparently...
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1Pcb2cnEw
Silicon-Valley-O-Nomics strikes again. No need to make a profit, just hope they get to an IPO before the VC cash runs dry.
Given most scooters only last a month, the eco-nutters should be over there campaigning to have them banned. Just think how much of the earth resources are being wasted.
ITV news reporting surge in Easter “staycations” with people opting for the U.K. - but with London forecast for 25C on Saturday and Nice 19C you can see why the weather is playing an additional factor (BREXIT was mentioned in the vox pops - so the horror stories of Brits queuing for hours at Spanish airports may have had an impact....)
I’m going to guess that most of the package resorts in Spain are well down on summer bookings thanks to the uncertainty. It could be that there are bargains to be had booking late, or possibly that available capacity (especially on charted flights) has been reduced in anticipation.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
Leavers drew Man City and Huddersfield in the PL sweepstake and threw away the Man City slip.
In my eyes we will always have won that referendum. The fact that MP's are too vain to listen to the public was the main reason why
Of course you won it but you run a very great risk of throwing it away.
Don't lump me in with MP's! The public aren't to blame
The public voted for something for which there was a non-trivial probability that PRECISELY THIS would happen,
Of course it was a non trivial possibility that MPs vanity would make it unable for them to respect the referendum, but you cant blame us for that
You’re being obtuse. Millions of people think that your version of Brexit would not be respecting the referendum.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
Leavers drew Man City and Huddersfield in the PL sweepstake and threw away the Man City slip.
In my eyes we will always have won that referendum. The fact that MP's are too vain to listen to the public was the main reason why
Of course you won it but you run a very great risk of throwing it away.
Don't lump me in with MP's! The public aren't to blame
The public voted for something for which there was a non-trivial probability that PRECISELY THIS would happen,
Of course it was a non trivial possibility that MPs vanity would make it unable for them to respect the referendum, but you cant blame us for that
You’re being obtuse. Millions of people think that your version of Brexit would not be respecting the referendum.
I would take any kind of Brexit, so you’re bang wrong.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
Leavers drew Man City and Huddersfield in the PL sweepstake and threw away the Man City slip.
In my eyes we will always have won that referendum. The fact that MP's are too vain to listen to the public was the main reason why
Of course you won it but you run a very great risk of throwing it away.
Don't lump me in with MP's! The public aren't to blame
The public voted for something for which there was a non-trivial probability that PRECISELY THIS would happen,
Of course it was a non trivial possibility that MPs vanity would make it unable for them to respect the referendum, but you cant blame us for that
You’re being obtuse. Millions of people think that your version of Brexit would not be respecting the referendum.
I would take any kind of Brexit, so you’re bang wrong.
Missing the point. You might take it, but others wouldn’t, which is why we are where we are.
I can remember the days when the Independent was a printed newspaper selling nearly 400,000 copies a day that prided itself on its name and as a consequence did not try to ram a particular point of view down the reader's throat but concentrated on reporting news.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
Leavers drew Man City and Huddersfield in the PL sweepstake and threw away the Man City slip.
In my eyes we will always have won that referendum. The fact that MP's are too vain to listen to the public was the main reason why
Of course you won it but you run a very great risk of throwing it away.
Don't lump me in with MP's! The public aren't to blame
The public voted for something for which there was a non-trivial probability that PRECISELY THIS would happen,
Of course it was a non trivial possibility that MPs vanity would make it unable for them to respect the referendum, but you cant blame us for that
You’re being obtuse. Millions of people think that your version of Brexit would not be respecting the referendum.
I would take any kind of Brexit, so you’re bang wrong.
Missing the point. You might take it, but others wouldn’t, which is why we are where we are.
For those of us who never wanted a US trade deal, that's hardly a threat. I believe we (somehow) have a BOP surplus with America. Do we really think they're anxious to do a deal so they can give us even more money? It's breathtakingly naive.
ITV news reporting surge in Easter “staycations” with people opting for the U.K. - but with London forecast for 25C on Saturday and Nice 19C you can see why the weather is playing an additional factor (BREXIT was mentioned in the vox pops - so the horror stories of Brits queuing for hours at Spanish airports may have had an impact....)
If true, excellent for the UK balance of payments, good for the UK tourist industry, and lousy for the Spanish and other EU tourist economies.
Unfortunately, the UK government still thinks that their aces rank below 2s when it comes to Brexit negotiations.
I can remember the days when the Independent was a printed newspaper selling nearly 400,000 copies a day that prided itself on its name and as a consequence did not try to ram a particular point of view down the reader's throat but concentrated on reporting news.
Now it's just a one-sided mouthpiece for Remain.
I can remember the days when journalists were able to use apostrophe's correctly.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
Leavers drew Man City and Huddersfield in the PL sweepstake and threw away the Man City slip.
In my eyes we will always have won that referendum. The fact that MP's are too vain to listen to the public was the main reason why
Of course you won it but you run a very great risk of throwing it away.
Don't lump me in with MP's! The public aren't to blame
The public voted for something for which there was a non-trivial probability that PRECISELY THIS would happen,
Of course it was a non trivial possibility that MPs vanity would make it unable for them to respect the referendum, but you cant blame us for that
You’re being obtuse. Millions of people think that your version of Brexit would not be respecting the referendum.
I would take any kind of Brexit, so you’re bang wrong.
Missing the point. You might take it, but others wouldn’t, which is why we are where we are.
I can remember the days when the Independent was a printed newspaper selling nearly 400,000 copies a day that prided itself on its name and as a consequence did not try to ram a particular point of view down the reader's throat but concentrated on reporting news.
Now it's just a one-sided mouthpiece for Remain.
Unfortunately, the Brexiteer print media and their associated websites have a big readership head start on the Remain supporting newspapers. The Brexit supporting papers will give Farage no end of support even though his end point is a no deal Brexit. I find it rather tedious the sheer double standards in which their criticism of Corbyn is relentless but they support Farage who offers an equally catastrophic outcome should he get his way. I say this as someone who thinks Corbyn would be a disaster for the country.
ITV news reporting surge in Easter “staycations” with people opting for the U.K. - but with London forecast for 25C on Saturday and Nice 19C you can see why the weather is playing an additional factor (BREXIT was mentioned in the vox pops - so the horror stories of Brits queuing for hours at Spanish airports may have had an impact....)
I’m going to guess that most of the package resorts in Spain are well down on summer bookings thanks to the uncertainty. It could be that there are bargains to be had booking late, or possibly that available capacity (especially on charted flights) has been reduced in anticipation.
Partly Brexit day being just before Easter, and part Easter falling rather late, so British weather a bit better. Isle of Wight looking lovely this year
It will be interesting if the summer bookings pick up now that Brexit day is Haloween.
I can remember the days when the Independent was a printed newspaper selling nearly 400,000 copies a day that prided itself on its name and as a consequence did not try to ram a particular point of view down the reader's throat but concentrated on reporting news.
Now it's just a one-sided mouthpiece for Remain.
Unfortunately, the Brexiteer print media and their associated websites have a big readership head start on the Remain supporting newspapers. The Brexit supporting papers will give Farage no end of support even though his end point is a no deal Brexit. I find it rather tedious the sheer double standards in which their criticism of Corbyn is relentless but they support Farage who offers an equally catastrophic outcome should he get his way. I say this as someone who thinks Corbyn would be a disaster for the country.
I can't really see the double standards, they back the right wing nationalist anti immigrant nutters whether they come in Tory or Farage flavours. Catastrophe for the country is what they want.
For those of us who never wanted a US trade deal, that's hardly a threat. I believe we (somehow) have a BOP surplus with America. Do we really think they're anxious to do a deal so they can give us even more money? It's breathtakingly naive.
"it's breathtakingly naive" - A bit like those who support Brexit. The Brexit ship has sailed away yet those who campaigned for it cling on in forlorn hope that the dreams they have had of Brexit being some sort of boon to the country will still materialise .The rest of us had the intelligence to know Brexit is a fools errand and its proponents ideas have turned out to be utter fantasy. Some say the past is another country and you cannot return, I say that is good advice and maybe as you grow a bit older you will come to realise the error of your ways.
Scooters business model doesn't work apparently...
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1Pcb2cnEw
Silicon-Valley-O-Nomics strikes again. No need to make a profit, just hope they get to an IPO before the VC cash runs dry.
Given most scooters only last a month, the eco-nutters should be over there campaigning to have them banned. Just think how much of the earth resources are being wasted.
Scooters, like the bikes, will only work if they need to be left somewhere specific - which defeats the point of them to most people. Otherwise there’s no chain of accountability, which invariably leads to kids setting fire to them and dumping them in bins and lakes, just because they can.
The detail of the YouGov poll shows that Labour would slump to just 15%, tied with the Tories and LDs if they followed through on backing Brexit but staying in the Customs Union with the Brexit Party leading on 25%.
If however Labour backed a public vote on whether to go ahead with Brexit they would be on 23%, a clear second albeit still behind the Brexit Party on 26%
The detail of the YouGov poll shows that Labour would slump to just 15%, tied with the Tories and LDs if they followed through on backing Brexit but staying in the Customs Union with the Brexit Party leading on 25%.
If however Labour backed a public vote on whether to go ahead with Brexit they would be on 23%, a clear second albeit still behind the Brexit Party on 26%
As I keep saying, if Corbyn allows any type of Brexit to happen he's ****ed. But if he does commit to Remain it doesn't win him much because no one would believe him and he damages Labour in a GE.
The detail of the YouGov poll shows that Labour would slump to just 15%, tied with the Tories and LDs if they followed through on backing Brexit but staying in the Customs Union with the Brexit Party leading on 25%.
If however Labour backed a public vote on whether to go ahead with Brexit they would be on 23%, a clear second albeit still behind the Brexit Party on 26%
As I keep saying, if Corbyn allows any type of Brexit to happen he's ****ed. But if he does commit to Remaim it doesn't win him much because no one would believe him and he damages Labour in a GE.
Brexit Party 27% Labour 22% Conservative 15% Lib Dem 9% UKIP 7% Change UK 6% SNP 4%
YouGov Apr 16 for EP 19
Oh the Conservative Patty is going to take such a pasting....
It seems slightly odd to me that the polls took so long for the Conservative percentages to nosedive. It seems pretty consistent now as most pollsters have shown it, but it's very recent despite how long Brexit has been a train wreck.
Is the theory basically that a large tranche of potential Conservative voters could just about accept a short extension to Brexit but have basically finally lost patience once it became clear a longer extension was happening?
I can remember the days when the Independent was a printed newspaper selling nearly 400,000 copies a day that prided itself on its name and as a consequence did not try to ram a particular point of view down the reader's throat but concentrated on reporting news.
Now it's just a one-sided mouthpiece for Remain.
I can remember the days when journalists were able to use apostrophe's correctly.
I presume you are being ironic given that you just used it incorrectly. At least I really hope you were.
Brexit Party 27% Labour 22% Conservative 15% Lib Dem 9% UKIP 7% Change UK 6% SNP 4%
YouGov Apr 16 for EP 19
Oh the Conservative Patty is going to take such a pasting....
It seems slightly odd to me that the polls took so long for the Conservative percentages to nosedive. It seems pretty consistent now as most pollsters have shown it, but it's very recent despite how long Brexit has been a train wreck.
Is the theory basically that a large tranche of voters could just about accept a short extension to Brexit but have basically finally lost patience once it became clear a longer extension was happening?
Yep. And exactly what anyone who knocks doors regularly could have told No 10.
It seems slightly odd to me that the polls took so long for the Conservative percentages to nosedive. It seems pretty consistent now as most pollsters have shown it, but it's very recent despite how long Brexit has been a train wreck.
Most people don't follow the day to day, so they never realised Brexit was under threat. When Brexit day became a short extension, then a 2nd extension, they did notice, and you get the betrayal narrative. Farage re-appearing gives a convenient receptacle for that.
I can remember the days when the Independent was a printed newspaper selling nearly 400,000 copies a day that prided itself on its name and as a consequence did not try to ram a particular point of view down the reader's throat but concentrated on reporting news.
Now it's just a one-sided mouthpiece for Remain.
IMO The Independent has always been a centre-left paper - they used to irritate me a lot for pretending to be neutral. I still there's a gap in the market for a genuinely impartial paper, though it's a declining market for everyone.
Brexit Party 27% Labour 22% Conservative 15% Lib Dem 9% UKIP 7% Change UK 6% SNP 4%
YouGov Apr 16 for EP 19
Oh the Conservative Patty is going to take such a pasting....
The Tories also came third at the 2014 European elections where UKIP came first as the Brexit Party lead this poll, but the Tories won a majority at the general election the following year
The detail of the YouGov poll shows that Labour would slump to just 15%, tied with the Tories and LDs if they followed through on backing Brexit but staying in the Customs Union with the Brexit Party leading on 25%.
If however Labour backed a public vote on whether to go ahead with Brexit they would be on 23%, a clear second albeit still behind the Brexit Party on 26%
As I keep saying, if Corbyn allows any type of Brexit to happen he's ****ed. But if he does commit to Remain it doesn't win him much because no one would believe him and he damages Labour in a GE.
That is partly true, Corbyn is in reality hit by Brexit almost as much as the Tories.
He faces the problem most Labour seats and Tory marginals he needs for a majority voted Leave but most Labour voters voted Remain, at least the Tories can say most of their voters and seats voted Leave
Brexit Party 27% Labour 22% Conservative 15% Lib Dem 9% UKIP 7% Change UK 6% SNP 4%
YouGov Apr 16 for EP 19
Oh the Conservative Patty is going to take such a pasting....
The Tories also came third at the 2014 European elections where UKIP came first as the Brexit Party lead this poll, but the Tories won a majority at the general election the following year
Brexit Party 27% Labour 22% Conservative 15% Lib Dem 9% UKIP 7% Change UK 6% SNP 4%
YouGov Apr 16 for EP 19
Oh the Conservative Patty is going to take such a pasting....
The Tories also came third at the 2014 European elections where UKIP came first as the Brexit Party lead this poll, but the Tories won a majority at the general election the following year
Brexit Party 27% Labour 22% Conservative 15% Lib Dem 9% UKIP 7% Change UK 6% SNP 4%
YouGov Apr 16 for EP 19
Oh the Conservative Patty is going to take such a pasting....
The Tories also came third at the 2014 European elections where UKIP came first as the Brexit Party lead this poll, but the Tories won a majority at the general election the following year
Brexit Party 27% Labour 22% Conservative 15% Lib Dem 9% UKIP 7% Change UK 6% SNP 4%
YouGov Apr 16 for EP 19
Oh the Conservative Patty is going to take such a pasting....
The Tories also came third at the 2014 European elections where UKIP came first as the Brexit Party lead this poll, but the Tories won a majority at the general election the following year
Good luck with that next time...
The vast majority of Brexit voters are Tories on holiday, 49% of 2017 Tories are voting Brexit Party in the Euro elections according to YouGov, compared to just 10% of 2017 Labour voters voting Brexit Party.
Once we have actually left the EU and the Tories have a harder Brexiteer like Raab or Boris leading them they will return
Will Hutton makes me laugh, I always come to the conclusion he has terrible judgement. Talk about Change UK being dead after one poll and the campaign not even being really started is wide of the mark. He is a Labour supporter through and through. He wants Change UK to fail but I have a feeling it may do a lot better than some would give credence at this time.
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Climate change morons attacking the environmentally friendly public transport systems which are designed to help them achieve their aims is really, really stupid. Of course gluing yourself to a car or lorry is a far more risky business as the driver will probably just drive off with you still stuck to it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independent_Group
Possibly one could find something on the European Parliament website to confirm it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/spain-vox-far-right-brexit-party-farage-ukip-gerard-batten-a8873691.html
Labour 22%
Conservative 15%
Lib Dem 9%
UKIP 7%
Change UK 6%
SNP 4%
YouGov Apr 16 for EP 19
Now it's just a one-sided mouthpiece for Remain.
Can't say the idea's without attractions...
Ban all parties you disagree with and ignore all votes you lose!!
#change
They logically should have linked up with ALDE but perhaps they are just too LIDL for them to be interested?
Unfortunately, the UK government still thinks that their aces rank below 2s when it comes to Brexit negotiations.
It will be interesting if the summer bookings pick up now that Brexit day is Haloween.
EnglandSurrey batting line up.Liverpool fans now have a week to prepare for their night of supporting Man United!
If however Labour backed a public vote on whether to go ahead with Brexit they would be on 23%, a clear second albeit still behind the Brexit Party on 26%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/vdqicng3bz/PeoplesVote_190416_EUElections_w.pdf
Is the theory basically that a large tranche of potential Conservative voters could just about accept a short extension to Brexit but have basically finally lost patience once it became clear a longer extension was happening?
VAR!
QUADNIOLA
VAR's going to make fools of all football fans one day.
He faces the problem most Labour seats and Tory marginals he needs for a majority voted Leave but most Labour voters voted Remain, at least the Tories can say most of their voters and seats voted Leave
*They might but they shouldn't!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/45683920/page/3
York Minster came in at just over £2m:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/York_Minster#1984_fire
Of course once Brexit is done this will make a very big difference .
Not going to post it but there is a horrible picture of him after someone slashed his face with a knife after release.
Apparently a "fan" restoring his teams "honour"
(This is wide open for you to reply "I wasn't disagreeing" which technically, you weren't!)
https://www.twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1118608967339474944?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed&ref_url=http://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/12079/general-election-klaxon-rumours?page=45
Once we have actually left the EU and the Tories have a harder Brexiteer like Raab or Boris leading them they will return
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/vdqicng3bz/PeoplesVote_190416_EUElections_w.pdf