I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
Tony Blair will be spinning in one of his mansions.Jeremy to win a Euro election when Blair never did.
Terrible to see Theresa 'dismissed from the room' as the rest of the EU discusses our fate - like a naughty schoolgirl by the headmistress and head of house.
No. You always have breakout rooms when you have a negotiation.
Did you expect her to sit in the room and listen to the other side thrash out their position?
Humiliation Charles is in the eyes of commentators and historians. So far the commentators believe the episode was humiliating. We shall wait to see how the historians treat it.
I think the commentators are not unbiased.
Just because an opponent says you have been humiliated it doesn’t mean you have been. At best it means there’s a case to answer.
Corbyn responds, tying Labour firmly to a permanent customs union and also wants option of public vote kept open. Confirms my view that Labour wants the Tories to walk away.
I think Ecuador were about to throw him out on the streets (looking at him I wonder whether he had turned their embassy in a foul smelling pigsty) so I guess they thought the whole thing would be more "dignified" if they invited the police in to take him out...
I’m surprised he went for the whole “dragged out by the secret police” rather than the “dignified martyr” motif
Terrible to see Theresa 'dismissed from the room' as the rest of the EU discusses our fate - like a naughty schoolgirl by the headmistress and head of house.
No. You always have breakout rooms when you have a negotiation.
Did you expect her to sit in the room and listen to the other side thrash out their position?
Humiliation Charles is in the eyes of commentators and historians. So far the commentators believe the episode was humiliating. We shall wait to see how the historians treat it.
I think the commentators are not unbiased.
Just because an opponent says you have been humiliated it doesn’t mean you have been. At best it means there’s a case to answer.
I don't think The Times for example is particularly known for its bias one way or another or qualifies as "an opponent".
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
Ladbrokes moved from 11/10 to 10/11
Where on earth are these bets on the Betfair site??
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
Ladbrokes moved from 11/10 to 10/11
Where on earth are these bets on the Betfair site??
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
Ladbrokes moved from 11/10 to 10/11
Where on earth are these bets on the Betfair site??
PM keen to stress the option to leave in May remains, and claiming victory on avoiding hard conditions to the extension.
A charitable read of the situation id say. They didn't want to accidentally see us no deal with hard conditions and that we could in theory leave sooner is just them and us fooling ourselves. If the EPs taking place was so terrifying for some MPs we'd have cone up with a plan before the summit.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
Tony Blair will be spinning in one of his mansions.Jeremy to win a Euro election when Blair never did.
Terrible to see Theresa 'dismissed from the room' as the rest of the EU discusses our fate - like a naughty schoolgirl by the headmistress and head of house.
No. You always have breakout rooms when you have a negotiation.
Did you expect her to sit in the room and listen to the other side thrash out their position?
Humiliation Charles is in the eyes of commentators and historians. So far the commentators believe the episode was humiliating. We shall wait to see how the historians treat it.
I think the commentators are not unbiased.
Just because an opponent says you have been humiliated it doesn’t mean you have been. At best it means there’s a case to answer.
I don't think The Times for example is particularly known for its bias one way or another or qualifies as "an opponent".
They are looking to sell newspapers
I bet that “May humiliated” is more effective at that than “breakout session in European negotiations to allow European leaders to consider U.K. proposal”
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
Ladbrokes moved from 11/10 to 10/11
Where on earth are these bets on the Betfair site??
The Welsh footballer Ched Evans has agreed an out-of-court settlement with lawyers over their handling of a rape case in which he was imprisoned. It is understood to be around £800,000.
So entirely without merit we decided to pay him £800k
Cost of litigation in actual cash, opportunity cost, and diverted strategic attention, vs cost of settlement. Might be 800k is cheap.
Evans would have earnt ~ £2.5 million whilst he was in prison ! £800k settlement (From his lawyers, not the public purse) is nothing I'm going to worry about.
£800K tax-free, though.
Hmm... you mean if I sue one of my own companies and they settle I get a fax free payment.... hmm...
Libelling your children and then settling with them is a way round IHT.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
Ladbrokes moved from 11/10 to 10/11
Where on earth are these bets on the Betfair site??
I totally get the people, even if wrong, who think Assange should never have been sought on the various charges or potential charges he has faced. But I'm baffled if anyone out there suggests he should not be arrested for the bail issue. That at least us surely inarguable.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
Tony Blair will be spinning in one of his mansions.Jeremy to win a Euro election when Blair never did.
That would be funny!
I'll be laughing all the way to the bank*
*Well the £10 liability Paddy has allowed itself with me on this bet.
Corbyn citing Varadkar in support of Labours CU plan......
The more Corbyn goes on about a permanent Customs Union the more he is making, whether he realises it or not, the case for Remain. If we're going to be tied into all these EU rules - including on workers' rights and environmental standards - we may as well stay as a member and have some say in them. Agreeing to comply with rules without any say at all in them is a pointless way of leaving.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
Tony Blair will be spinning in one of his mansions.Jeremy to win a Euro election when Blair never did.
That would be funny!
I'll be laughing all the way to the bank*
*Well the £10 liability Paddy has allowed itself with me on this bet.
PP has limited me to pennies but Betfair Sports on the other hand has allow the max I would want to be (£100).
In response to SNP, PM says a referendum hasn't been offered to Labour. Recognises however an amendment is likely when the bill comes to parliament. Ducks the SNP accusation that Labour has offered to drop the PV in return for restrictions on FOM.
Corbyn responds, tying Labour firmly to a permanent customs union and also wants option of public vote kept open. Confirms my view that Labour wants the Tories to walk away.
Indeed. Labours cu plan and a vote is hardly him giving any ground.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
Tony Blair will be spinning in one of his mansions.Jeremy to win a Euro election when Blair never did.
That would be funny!
I'll be laughing all the way to the bank*
*Well the £10 liability Paddy has allowed itself with me on this bet.
PP has limited me to pennies but Betfair Sports on the other hand has allow the max I would want to be (£100).
My max stake is £0.00 on everything at Betfair Sportsbook.
A time for solemn reflection and joy, not one for merriment and mischief making
So we celebrate Jesus brutally dying on the cross by getting a giant bunny rabbit to hide chocolate eggs.
I can't help but feel there is a massive gap in information somewhere.
Marketing
Pagans celebrated the spring with egg based ceremonies representing the potential for new life. Christianity adopted the traditions wholesale with symbolic amendments.
It’s why we have Yule logs but also Epiphany, Easter eggs with Grove Tuesday, Halloween and All Souls/All Saints etc
Corbyn citing Varadkar in support of Labours CU plan......
The more Corbyn goes on about a permanent Customs Union the more he is making, whether he realises it or not, the case for Remain. If we're going to be tied into all these EU rules - including on workers' rights and environmental standards - we may as well stay as a member and have some say in them. Agreeing to comply with rules without any say at all in them is a pointless way of leaving.
Corbyn responds, tying Labour firmly to a permanent customs union and also wants option of public vote kept open. Confirms my view that Labour wants the Tories to walk away.
Indeed. Labours cu plan and a vote is hardly him giving any ground.
There's only one person here giving no ground, and that's May.
A time for solemn reflection and joy, not one for merriment and mischief making
So we celebrate Jesus brutally dying on the cross by getting a giant bunny rabbit to hide chocolate eggs.
I can't help but feel there is a massive gap in information somewhere.
Marketing
Pagans celebrated the spring with egg based ceremonies representing the potential for new life. Christianity adopted the traditions wholesale with symbolic amendments.
It’s why we have Yule logs but also Epiphany, Easter eggs with Grove Tuesday, Halloween and All Souls/All Saints etc
More importantly are the National Trust doing a Easter non-religious egg hunt?
It's both . The bail thing has been known for years hence the bit is slightly new info though not surprising. Unless you think he's not about to be up in court on the bail issue the point stands.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
Tony Blair will be spinning in one of his mansions.Jeremy to win a Euro election when Blair never did.
That would be funny!
I'll be laughing all the way to the bank*
*Well the £10 liability Paddy has allowed itself with me on this bet.
I'm grateful to Richard not just for the tip but because I discovered I had some money in my Paddy Power account I hadn't realised I'd got.
The Welsh footballer Ched Evans has agreed an out-of-court settlement with lawyers over their handling of a rape case in which he was imprisoned. It is understood to be around £800,000.
So entirely without merit we decided to pay him £800k
Cost of litigation in actual cash, opportunity cost, and diverted strategic attention, vs cost of settlement. Might be 800k is cheap.
Evans would have earnt ~ £2.5 million whilst he was in prison ! £800k settlement (From his lawyers, not the public purse) is nothing I'm going to worry about.
£800K tax-free, though.
Hmm... you mean if I sue one of my own companies and they settle I get a fax free payment.... hmm...
Libelling your children and then settling with them is a way round IHT.
What was it Boswell said ? "...The honour of my family is perhaps a species of self-love."
May be.
But by coincidence my brother’s company has the same name as me and I wouldn’t want to damage his brand equity. It’s a purely monetary consideration I can assure you!
Corbyn citing Varadkar in support of Labours CU plan......
The more Corbyn goes on about a permanent Customs Union the more he is making, whether he realises it or not, the case for Remain. If we're going to be tied into all these EU rules - including on workers' rights and environmental standards - we may as well stay as a member and have some say in them. Agreeing to comply with rules without any say at all in them is a pointless way of leaving.
Labour's position is utterly absurd.
The position is to tip toe to remain. It keeps members happy and it justify labour leavers not flouncing out as they did officially try to leave
Corbyn responds, tying Labour firmly to a permanent customs union and also wants option of public vote kept open. Confirms my view that Labour wants the Tories to walk away.
Indeed. Labours cu plan and a vote is hardly him giving any ground.
There's only one person here giving no ground, and that's May.
Obviously untrue. She hasn't yet, no one is saying she is blameless. But in a negotiation both sides move, even if one more than the other. If Corbyn is literally demanding labour policy as it currently stands in its entirety hes not moving. Movement pre negotiation is irrelevant. Not least since even if Mat adopts the labour cu plan Corbyn is apparently saying he wont give ground on a public vote.
So no, May being obstructive does not mean others get away with the same.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
Tony Blair will be spinning in one of his mansions.Jeremy to win a Euro election when Blair never did.
That would be funny!
I'll be laughing all the way to the bank*
*Well the £10 liability Paddy has allowed itself with me on this bet.
I'm grateful to Richard not just for the tip but because I discovered I had some money in my Paddy Power account I hadn't realised I'd got.
By comparison with other pollsters, the tables for that Open Europe poll are pretty rubbish in terms of the lack of detail. There is no breakdown of the weighting strategy and with minimum categories disclosed other than current vote (only age, region and referendum vote). It infers that there were in fact very few weighting categories. Moreover, the poll was conducted "..... using modelled data from smartphone applications to engage a nationally representative sample. " So, a telephone poll excluding landlines and quite possibly with an inadequate weighting strategy, and with no track record from past elections that might help adjust for the bias that that could cause.
All tables on VI exclude DKs and more importantly DVs. All we know is that 27% of Leave supporters gave the likelihood of their voting as only 1 or 2 out of 10, compared to only 8% of Remain supporters. So it would be fair to conclude that some of the big swing shown is likely to be due to Conservatives and former UKIPers boycotting the poll on an even lower overall turnout than usual.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
I'd say 11/10 is about right.
I'd expect both Labour and the Conservatives to be close to 20%.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
I'd say 11/10 is about right.
I'd expect both Labour and the Conservatives to be close to 20%.
I can't see any prospect that the Tories can beat Labour in the Euros right now.
A time for solemn reflection and joy, not one for merriment and mischief making
So we celebrate Jesus brutally dying on the cross by getting a giant bunny rabbit to hide chocolate eggs.
I can't help but feel there is a massive gap in information somewhere.
Marketing
Pagans celebrated the spring with egg based ceremonies representing the potential for new life. Christianity adopted the traditions wholesale with symbolic amendments.
It’s why we have Yule logs but also Epiphany, Easter eggs with Grove Tuesday, Halloween and All Souls/All Saints etc
Grove Tuesday is presumably for worshippers of this:
Good afternoon. Some of you are bemoaning the low limits imposed on you by your online accounts. May I suggest you bypass these restrictions by using a high-street bookmaker to wager on the European Parliament elections. William Hill and Betfred don't have markets yet, but PaddyPower and Ladbrokes/Coral do. Sites are:
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
I'd say 11/10 is about right.
I'd expect both Labour and the Conservatives to be close to 20%.
I can't see any prospect that the Tories can beat Labour in the Euros right now.
It will be a case of which loses most votes to their pro-Brexit/ pro-Remain flanks, respectively.
Corbyn citing Varadkar in support of Labours CU plan......
The more Corbyn goes on about a permanent Customs Union the more he is making, whether he realises it or not, the case for Remain. If we're going to be tied into all these EU rules - including on workers' rights and environmental standards - we may as well stay as a member and have some say in them. Agreeing to comply with rules without any say at all in them is a pointless way of leaving.
Labour's position is utterly absurd.
On a longer view it sets up a case for rejoining.
Rejoining in a few years is going to be a much much more difficult sell than continuing to stay in on the existing terms. Rejoining in a few years if Brexit proves to be a disaster or because we find it intolerable to have rules dictated to us will be rejoining for the wrong reasons. It will be to repeat the same mistake when we joined in 1973 from a position of economic weakness rather than for positive reasons.
Corbyn citing Varadkar in support of Labours CU plan......
They both want a united Ireland. Both I think look favourably on the backstop in that context. Corbyn will certainly not see it as a constraint upon his future actions.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
I'd say 11/10 is about right.
I'd expect both Labour and the Conservatives to be close to 20%.
I can't see any prospect that the Tories can beat Labour in the Euros right now.
It will be a case of which loses most votes to their pro-Brexit/ pro-Remain flanks, respectively.
Most of May's leave flank already voted UKIP. Which is just as well given she won't get them back
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
I'd say 11/10 is about right.
I'd expect both Labour and the Conservatives to be close to 20%.
Certainly both parties' voters will be staying away in droves, but the Conservatives have the bigger problem of having alienated both pro-Brexit and anti-Brexit voters, as well as centrist voters gobsmacked at the in-fighting and the anti-business tilt. In addition activists are thoroughly demoralised or actively hostile to the leadership. Labour on the other hand, although also split, has been more disciplined and will be able to mount some kind of campaign, and it's easier from opposition anyway.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
I'd say 11/10 is about right.
I'd expect both Labour and the Conservatives to be close to 20%.
I can't see any prospect that the Tories can beat Labour in the Euros right now.
It will be a case of which loses most votes to their pro-Brexit/ pro-Remain flanks, respectively.
No, because the Tories are losing from both flanks.
Mr. Eagles, NATO doesn't integrate endlessly, doesn't make us pay billions a year for the privilege of membership, doesn't impose legislation on us, doesn't strip vetoes for QMV, etc etc etc.
All of which are completely outwith your original complaints:
To whom would said army be responsible? Who would be commander in chief? What if the UK faced a threat to the Falklands and the French [US} to one of their outlying territories: whose defence would be prioritised? Would British soldiers be loyal to HM and the UK or the EU NATO?
Which implies that your original complaints were answerable (and have been answered in the NATO precedent); your other ones are general EU issues rather than EU army issues.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
I'd say 11/10 is about right.
I'd expect both Labour and the Conservatives to be close to 20%.
I can't see any prospect that the Tories can beat Labour in the Euros right now.
It will be a case of which loses most votes to their pro-Brexit/ pro-Remain flanks, respectively.
Most of May's leave flank already voted UKIP. Which is just as well given she won't get them back
I'd expect anti-EU parties (including the Conservatives) to win 45-50%. I'm not sure how that fraction will divide. Given that both Farage and UKIP are contesting the elections, I don't think that many of the anti-EU voters who typically vote in these elections will boycott them.
Corbyn citing Varadkar in support of Labours CU plan......
The more Corbyn goes on about a permanent Customs Union the more he is making, whether he realises it or not, the case for Remain. If we're going to be tied into all these EU rules - including on workers' rights and environmental standards - we may as well stay as a member and have some say in them. Agreeing to comply with rules without any say at all in them is a pointless way of leaving.
Labour's position is utterly absurd.
The position is to tip toe to remain. It keeps members happy and it justify labour leavers not flouncing out as they did officially try to leave
It's not tiptoe to remain. It's a dance to make naive Remainers think that Labour is on their side without actually doing anything to make us Remain.
I know Labour people say that Corbyn has changed his mind on the EU. I don't believe them. He likes the bits of the EU that accord with his views but not the rest. So he will - from the outside - pick and choose those bits he likes. That's very different from saying that he is pro-Remain now that we're heading for the exit.
I do think Labour at 11/10 for most Euro seats looks like value. So many Tories are clearly not going to back their own side, and both pro-remain and pro-leave votes are split between rival parties.
I think that is a superb bet. Even better, Betfair Sports/Paddy Power offer 6/4.
Personally I'd put it at about 1/2.
I'd say 11/10 is about right.
I'd expect both Labour and the Conservatives to be close to 20%.
Certainly both parties' voters will be staying away in droves, but the Conservatives have the bigger problem of having alienated both pro-Brexit and anti-Brexit voters, as well as centrist voters gobsmacked at the in-fighting and the anti-business tilt. In addition activists are thoroughly demoralised or actively hostile to the leadership. Labour on the other hand, although also split, has been more disciplined and will be able to mount some kind of campaign, and it's easier from opposition anyway.
I'd not expect Labour to get a higher vote share than the 24% they won in 2014. That might be sufficient to come first, but they might also do worse. Bear in mind that Labour's poll ratings are worse than in 2014.
The Welsh footballer Ched Evans has agreed an out-of-court settlement with lawyers over their handling of a rape case in which he was imprisoned. It is understood to be around £800,000.
So entirely without merit we decided to pay him £800k
Cost of litigation in actual cash, opportunity cost, and diverted strategic attention, vs cost of settlement. Might be 800k is cheap.
Evans would have earnt ~ £2.5 million whilst he was in prison ! £800k settlement (From his lawyers, not the public purse) is nothing I'm going to worry about.
£800K tax-free, though.
Hmm... you mean if I sue one of my own companies and they settle I get a fax free payment.... hmm...
Libelling your children and then settling with them is a way round IHT.
What was it Boswell said ? "...The honour of my family is perhaps a species of self-love."
May be.
But by coincidence my brother’s company has the same name as me and I wouldn’t want to damage his brand equity. It’s a purely monetary consideration I can assure you!
Terrible to see Theresa 'dismissed from the room' as the rest of the EU discusses our fate - like a naughty schoolgirl by the headmistress and head of house.
No. You always have breakout rooms when you have a negotiation.
Did you expect her to sit in the room and listen to the other side thrash out their position?
Humiliation Charles is in the eyes of commentators and historians. So far the commentators believe the episode was humiliating. We shall wait to see how the historians treat it.
I think the commentators are not unbiased.
Just because an opponent says you have been humiliated it doesn’t mean you have been. At best it means there’s a case to answer.
I don't think The Times for example is particularly known for its bias one way or another or qualifies as "an opponent".
They are looking to sell newspapers
I bet that “May humiliated” is more effective at that than “breakout session in European negotiations to allow European leaders to consider U.K. proposal”
Everyone has an agenda
That’s why historians have a job
The point about this was that the breakout session was "sovereign", to borrow a phrase. We submitted our case and then had no comeback to whatever they decided.
As to the historians, well there is no objective history while we're at it but that is why I said we shall have to wait to see how the historians treat it (who will use such contemporary reports as, er, newspapers to inform their views).
Corbyn citing Varadkar in support of Labours CU plan......
The more Corbyn goes on about a permanent Customs Union the more he is making, whether he realises it or not, the case for Remain. If we're going to be tied into all these EU rules - including on workers' rights and environmental standards - we may as well stay as a member and have some say in them. Agreeing to comply with rules without any say at all in them is a pointless way of leaving.
Labour's position is utterly absurd.
On a longer view it sets up a case for rejoining.
Rejoining in a few years is going to be a much much more difficult sell than continuing to stay in on the existing terms. Rejoining in a few years if Brexit proves to be a disaster or because we find it intolerable to have rules dictated to us will be rejoining for the wrong reasons. It will be to repeat the same mistake when we joined in 1973 from a position of economic weakness rather than for positive reasons.
The Europeans interviewed in the early hours of this morning were talking about it taking "a generation" for us to sort ourselves out before any re-admission, so I think you're right about the difficulty, and "the wrong reasons" would likely meet with a French veto.
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Hmm......
Just because an opponent says you have been humiliated it doesn’t mean you have been. At best it means there’s a case to answer.
I Resign.
On the other hand, the chances of being elected are low.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/live/2019/apr/11/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-arrested-at-the-ecuadorean-embassy-live-updates
A time for solemn reflection and joy, not one for merriment and mischief making
I can't help but feel there is a massive gap in information somewhere.
I bet that “May humiliated” is more effective at that than “breakout session in European negotiations to allow European leaders to consider U.K. proposal”
Everyone has an agenda
That’s why historians have a job
"...The honour of my family is perhaps a species of self-love."
*Well the £10 liability Paddy has allowed itself with me on this bet.
Labour's position is utterly absurd.
Now Cash accusing the PM of betrayal.
Can he get any more worked up?
Pagans celebrated the spring with egg based ceremonies representing the potential for new life. Christianity adopted the traditions wholesale with symbolic amendments.
It’s why we have Yule logs but also Epiphany, Easter eggs with Grove Tuesday, Halloween and All Souls/All Saints etc
Easternon-religious egg hunt?But by coincidence my brother’s company has the same name as me and I wouldn’t want to damage his brand equity. It’s a purely monetary consideration I can assure you!
They have been proven time and again recently to be woefully poor indicators of real election results.
You might as well just make up a load of numbers a discuss what’d happen if that were the result.
Although replacing Christmas with Easter is a substantial change, Speaker Bercow
There has to be an evisceration and that has to be Theresa Mays.
May avoids the question altogether
So no, May being obstructive does not mean others get away with the same.
All tables on VI exclude DKs and more importantly DVs. All we know is that 27% of Leave supporters gave the likelihood of their voting as only 1 or 2 out of 10, compared to only 8% of Remain supporters. So it would be fair to conclude that some of the big swing shown is likely to be due to Conservatives and former UKIPers boycotting the poll on an even lower overall turnout than usual.
https://hanburystrategycloud.filecloudonline.com/ui/core/index.html?mode=single&path=/SHARED/data/gux0YC3cc8BBIHJB
I'd expect both Labour and the Conservatives to be close to 20%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_OFesTKDX8
https://www.paddypower.com/politics
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/
To whom would said army be responsible? Who would be commander in chief? What if the UK faced a threat to the Falklands and the
French[US} to one of their outlying territories: whose defence would be prioritised? Would British soldiers be loyal to HM and the UK orthe EUNATO?Which implies that your original complaints were answerable (and have been answered in the NATO precedent); your other ones are general EU issues rather than EU army issues.
It's not tiptoe to remain. It's a dance to make naive Remainers think that Labour is on their side without actually doing anything to make us Remain.
I know Labour people say that Corbyn has changed his mind on the EU. I don't believe them. He likes the bits of the EU that accord with his views but not the rest. So he will - from the outside - pick and choose those bits he likes. That's very different from saying that he is pro-Remain now that we're heading for the exit.
Lol @ Tory and lab shares. As if!
SDP -1
PC -1
As to the historians, well there is no objective history while we're at it but that is why I said we shall have to wait to see how the historians treat it (who will use such contemporary reports as, er, newspapers to inform their views).