Surely the main question is whether David Coburn will any longer bestride the national and international stage?
Is he standing? I think he (along with practically everyone else) fell out with UKIP last year.
He's in the Brexit Party now. I doubt Coburn could resist a last hurrah of media attention which I assume he'd get as an incumbent.
I think any of the prospective MEPs getting media attention is going to be an ask but if they want a freak show I am sure he will be available.
FWIW I think the SNP just might squeeze a third, especially if there is differential voting by remainers over leavers but the Tories will have aspirations for a second. Everyone else is wasting their time (assuming that they are not all wasting their time of course).
Has to be someone with a long history of anti French comments.
I can’t think of anyone regularly denigrates the nation of collaborators.
I don't really reckon alternate history as a genre, but I am going to write one just for you about WW2. The initial facts will be identical except that the English Channel was completely filled in in the 1930s in a mega Keynsian work creation scheme.
You will not enjoy this book.
Sounds like seditious talk to me.
There may have been an equally heroic evacuation of the BEF carried out by milk floats & wheelbarrows across the plain of Dunkerque. Unfortunately they were all squashed by Panzers 10 miles from Dover.
The senior surviving titanic officer Charles Lightholler rode his tandem across as part of the little vehicles convoy
A useful piece on the Tory perspective from Mark Wallace (though of course ConHome have their own particular line on Brexit). From a betting perspective the key line is " My understanding is that the Party is working on the assumption that Tory MEP numbers would be down in single figures."
The disgraced former defence secretary and General Practitioner/wannabe trade expert, Liam Fox says CU is a bad idea.
Must be good then.
Can't believe the remainers lost the referendum with the reduction of everything to personalities.
Na, not sure we actually lost. It's very marginal nature and the pernicious influence of at least one hostile foreign power and all that, somewhat calls it into question.
Also, as I said the other day if Leavers had been a little more dignified in their marginal victory, rather than gloating, they might have taken the moral high ground. Your post is yet another example as to why they didn't, and why they did not. Too late now, as they never will.
Ah yes, it was the Russians wot lost it. Not the rather mediocre product that Remain was trying sell.
The mediocre product worked pretty well compared to what has come to pass since all you loonies who voted for a unicorn called Brexit., and yes, sorry to break it to you, you have bought into the propaganda machine of a hostile foreign power. Putin is loving it, he loves all people like you, and he is very grateful for the damage you have done.
South East Region - 10 MEPs London Region - 8 MEPs North West Region - 8 MEPs West Midlands Region - 7 MEPs Eastern Region - 7 MEPs Yorkshire and the Humber - 6 MEPs Scotland - 6 MEPs South West Region - 6 MEPs East Midlands Region - 5 MEPs Wales - 4 MEPs Northern Ireland - 3 MEPs North East Region - 3 MEPs .
Surely the main question is whether David Coburn will any longer bestride the national and international stage?
Is he standing? I think he (along with practically everyone else) fell out with UKIP last year.
He's in the Brexit Party now. I doubt Coburn could resist a last hurrah of media attention which I assume he'd get as an incumbent.
I think any of the prospective MEPs getting media attention is going to be an ask but if they want a freak show I am sure he will be available.
FWIW I think the SNP just might squeeze a third, especially if there is differential voting by remainers over leavers but the Tories will have aspirations for a second. Everyone else is wasting their time (assuming that they are not all wasting their time of course).
You may have the bizarre scenario of Tories performing better in Scotland than anywhere else in the UK.
Surely the main question is whether David Coburn will any longer bestride the national and international stage?
Is he standing? I think he (along with practically everyone else) fell out with UKIP last year.
He's in the Brexit Party now. I doubt Coburn could resist a last hurrah of media attention which I assume he'd get as an incumbent.
I think any of the prospective MEPs getting media attention is going to be an ask but if they want a freak show I am sure he will be available.
FWIW I think the SNP just might squeeze a third, especially if there is differential voting by remainers over leavers but the Tories will have aspirations for a second. Everyone else is wasting their time (assuming that they are not all wasting their time of course).
You may have the bizarre scenario of Tories performing better in Scotland than anywhere else in the UK.
Overall applications are down slightly over the last 5 years, accepted applications are up slightly. It is a disappointingly static picture given addressing this was supposed to be a priority but a surge it isn't.
And yet the evidence of our own eyes tells us a completely different story.
I think what we are seeing is more rough sleeping, as Richard mentioned earlier. It is a lot more obvious than people in overcrowded conditions or sofa surfing. It has clearly increased since Romania joined the EU and we received a lot more professional beggars than we had before.
I don't know what it's like round your bit but there aren't many Romanian rough sleepers in Glasgow. To use a favourite Brexitty right trope, why would they come over here to take advantage of the UK benefit system then make it much harder for themselves to do so?
In any case, as suggested in the recent 60 Days On The Streets programme, Glasgow at least seems to have made a dent in rough sleeping compared to other places.
'But after arriving during the coldest part of winter, what he found waiting for him on the streets of Glasgow took him by surprise. “It was really positive, he explains. “There was a bed first policy and so many positive things going on, including the joined-up thinking and how all the organisations talk to each other. There was even an organisation that was set up to allow the different, fragmented organisations set up for homeless people to communicate with each other...
“There was more examples of people with their cases being solved, due to the progressive policies up in Scotland. I think it will be a bit of a light at the end of quite a dark tunnel in terms of the first two episodes. There was a lot that English local authorities and charities could learn from in the way things are being done.” '
I shall vote twice like last time - here in Spain and with my postal vote in the UK. Just because some sill Tories on here are being petulant this Tory will vote twice!
I shall vote twice like last time - here in Spain and with my postal vote in the UK. Just because some sill Tories on here are being petulant this Tory will vote twice!
I shall vote twice like last time - here in Spain and with my postal vote in the UK. Just because some sill Tories on here are being petulant this Tory will vote twice!
Isn’t that illegal
In Britain you can only vote once for any body, and it's a serious offence to do otherwise. I have no idea whether the same rules apply in Spain to the EP.
I shall vote twice like last time - here in Spain and with my postal vote in the UK. Just because some sill Tories on here are being petulant this Tory will vote twice!
I shall vote twice like last time - here in Spain and with my postal vote in the UK. Just because some sill Tories on here are being petulant this Tory will vote twice!
Isn’t that illegal
EU rules: "Your right to vote
If you live in your home country, you can only vote for the EU candidates standing for election in your own country.
If you are registered and live in another EU country, you can:
vote for candidates standing in your home country or participate in the election of your host country and vote for candidates standing in that country.
You can only vote once at the European elections.
You may need to register to vote with the national authorities in your host country before the election takes place. In some EU countries, you are registered automatically once you register your residence there. If you need to register, check the registration deadlines in your host country well in advance as they vary from country to country."
» show previous quotes Still are, if their signs are to be believed.
I think if you take people of low educational attainment, cosset them for several years when most of us are learning to look after ourselves, providing them with most of their food, accommodation, entertainment, support networks etc and then put them out on their own in their 30s it is hardly surprising that they don't cope. It's frankly irresponsible.
David, Not sure where you see any Tories cosseting poor people, is it an east coast thing.
SG ducks the issue of what happens to PVs if they are cast and then the elections are cancelled before polling day. MPs suggesting this wouldn't be on.
Huw Merriman knows this afternoon that even if he gets kicked out of his government position he could be back in again soon. Look at Will Quince and Stephen Hammond...both had to resign because they broke the whip but both have now been reinstated. I know some Tories who are furious because where is the sanction?
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
SG ducks the issue of what happens to PVs if they are cast and then the elections are cancelled before polling day. MPs suggesting this wouldn't be on.
I assume the PVs should be destroyed unopened in that situation ?
One big thing going for the two major parties is that UKIP is not the force it was. Its big beast has left and the party itself lacks the punch it had a few years ago.
Against that, both pro- and anti-EU sentiment is much stronger than it was.
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
Yes, either the UK is full members or it is not a member. Which is it?
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
How would it be illegal? All they have to do is draft the extension conditions so that it expires if the UK violates them. They've already done this with the first extension.
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
I fully understand their worries but it all looks rather dodgy. They want us to make our minds up then no extension beyond May, otherwise if we are in how can they restrict what we do while still full members?
It's a less dramatic version of our own contortions of avoiding a decision and wanting to eat cake and have it.
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
Yes, either the UK is full members or it is not a member. Which is it?
Not really. It would be, as it is currently, a full member on its way out, so neither a non-member nor a long-term member. In the circumstances, it's very reasonable to expect that it wouldn't be disruptive and that it would not get involved in long-term decisions of the EU. In fact I believe we have already followed that approach over the last couple of years.
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
Yes, either the UK is full members or it is not a member. Which is it?
Not really. It would be, as it is currently, a full member on its way out, so neither a non-member nor a long-term member. In the circumstances, it's very reasonable to expect that it wouldn't be disruptive and that it would not get involved in long-term decisions of the EU. In fact I believe we have already followed that approach over the last couple of years.
Indeed - hence the entity known as EU27, which meets regularly without us
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
Yes, either the UK is full members or it is not a member. Which is it?
Not really. It would be, as it is currently, a full member on its way out, so neither a non-member nor a long-term member. In the circumstances, it's very reasonable to expect that it wouldn't be disruptive and that it would not get involved in long-term decisions of the EU. In fact I believe we have already followed that approach over the last couple of years.
So I assume we have stopped racking up debts on the reste a liquider?
Chris Bryant asks a very sensible question: what will happen if the EU only offers a longer extension? He didn't get an answer. What is the position under the Cooper-Letwin bill as amended by the Lords?
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
How would it be illegal? All they have to do is draft the extension conditions so that it expires if the UK violates them. They've already done this with the first extension.
Jacob R-M's tweet, letter or whatever it was demanding that the UK be as awkward as possible has concerned them. He really is an obnoxious individual.
Judging by the number of vacancies declared in the Labour Euro selection procedures, 3 of their sitting MEPs are not re-standing if the elections take place in May. 2 in London (one is Mary Honeyball) and 1 in Yorkshire.
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
Yes, either the UK is full members or it is not a member. Which is it?
Not really. It would be, as it is currently, a full member on its way out, so neither a non-member nor a long-term member. In the circumstances, it's very reasonable to expect that it wouldn't be disruptive and that it would not get involved in long-term decisions of the EU. In fact I believe we have already followed that approach over the last couple of years.
So I assume we have stopped racking up debts on the reste a liquider?
Probably we have stopped, because we haven't (as yet) crossed a budget cycle.
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
Labour will come out on top. They held remainers in the GE and even some hiving off to LD and Tig should see them safe.
If there is not a Tory collapse I will be stunned. People are suggesting they not bother for a reason, it's a free hit.
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
Unless the Lib Dem/TOG vote divides in the manner suggested by the Welsh poll.
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
How would it be illegal? All they have to do is draft the extension conditions so that it expires if the UK violates them. They've already done this with the first extension.
Jacob R-M's tweet, letter or whatever it was demanding that the UK be as awkward as possible has concerned them. He really is an obnoxious individual.
Indeed. An embarrassment to Britain of epic proportions. Why is it that history often spews out little weaklings with odious opinions that some gullible people feel compelled to follow.
It could be the dysfunctional Tories will not be bothered if their vote collapses. As for the UKIP v Brexit party battle it would sum up how ludicrous the whole saga has been if they are unable to come to an electoral arrangement and helped to increase the chances of no Brexit thanks to a fractured pro Brexit vote damaging their cause further.
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
How would it be illegal? All they have to do is draft the extension conditions so that it expires if the UK violates them. They've already done this with the first extension.
I don't think Article 50 provides for any conditions to be attached to an extension.
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
Labour will come out on top. They held remainers in the GE and even some hiving off to LD and Tig should see them safe.
If there is not a Tory collapse I will be stunned. People are suggesting they not bother for a reason, it's a free hit.
There will of course be a lot of expectation management going on. The Sunday Telegraph was already at it regarding the local elections.
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
I really don’t see it that way. The very fact there are Euro Elections being held is a massive Fuck You to Leave voters. They’re not represented on here or Twitter, but there are a lot of people angry at that, and it is big motivation for anti EU parties, akin to a football manager slagging an opposing team off and their boss putting the clippings on the dressing room wall
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
How would it be illegal? All they have to do is draft the extension conditions so that it expires if the UK violates them. They've already done this with the first extension.
I don't think Article 50 provides for any conditions to be attached to an extension.
It's already been done as part of the first extension. An extension requires unanimity, so making it conditional effectively just sets out terms under which consent for the extension would be removed.
"Such an extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spiritof the Withdrawal Agreement"
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
I really don’t see it that way. The very fact there are Euro Elections being held is a massive Fuck You to Leave voters. They’re not represented on here or Twitter, but there are a lot of people angry at that, and it is big motivation for anti EU parties, akin to a football manager slagging an opposing team off and their boss putting the clippings on the dressing room wall
What like the Leave march, and the Leave petition? titter
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
I really don’t see it that way. The very fact there are Euro Elections being held is a massive Fuck You to Leave voters. They’re not represented on here or Twitter, but there are a lot of people angry at that, and it is big motivation for anti EU parties, akin to a football manager slagging an opposing team off and their boss putting the clippings on the dressing room wall
What like the Leave march, and the Leave petition? titter
We’ll see. I’m used to pre election mockery from over confident EU types, it paid a few bills in May 2015 and June 2016.
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
How would it be illegal? All they have to do is draft the extension conditions so that it expires if the UK violates them. They've already done this with the first extension.
I don't think Article 50 provides for any conditions to be attached to an extension.
It's already been done as part of the first extension. An extension requires unanimity, so making it conditional effectively just sets out terms under which consent for the extension would be removed.
"Such an extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spiritof the Withdrawal Agreement"
There is no express provision regarding conditions in A50 but equally there is nothing to prevent either side setting them.
Someone was on legal twitter the other day questioning whether A50 can be extended more than once on a literal read. Anyone else come across this?
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
How would it be illegal? All they have to do is draft the extension conditions so that it expires if the UK violates them. They've already done this with the first extension.
I don't think Article 50 provides for any conditions to be attached to an extension.
It's already been done as part of the first extension. An extension requires unanimity, so making it conditional effectively just sets out terms under which consent for the extension would be removed.
"Such an extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spiritof the Withdrawal Agreement"
There's no indication the extension is conditional on any of that. As I said, Article 50 doesn't provide for the extension to be conditional.
If the UK wants to give promises about how it's going to behave, obviously it can, but it would be separate from the operation of Article 50.
This debate seems a bit pointless as about the June extension with most in favour and the ERG against, when the real decision is about a longer extension or not.
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
I really don’t see it that way. The very fact there are Euro Elections being held is a massive Fuck You to Leave voters. They’re not represented on here or Twitter, but there are a lot of people angry at that, and it is big motivation for anti EU parties, akin to a football manager slagging an opposing team off and their boss putting the clippings on the dressing room wall
The winners will be the nearest to the Kick Bishop Brennan Jean-Claude Juncker Up the Arse Party.
"Democrats “are on the wrong side of the immigration argument, the core issue shaping Western politics,” says Andrew Sullivan, a moderate-minded liberal writer at New York magazine."
This debate seems a bit pointless as about the June extension with most in favour and the ERG against, when the real decision is about a longer extension or not.
Poor Mike - his own tactics came to bite him on the rear. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.
It’s not often someone has a worse day than Theresa May, but Mike Ashley has today.
Why would that be , he can afford to lose a shedload and not even notice. He may be pissed off but no long term affect , whereas Theresa is being insulted and ridiculed at home and abroad.
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
How would it be illegal? All they have to do is draft the extension conditions so that it expires if the UK violates them. They've already done this with the first extension.
I don't think Article 50 provides for any conditions to be attached to an extension.
It's already been done as part of the first extension. An extension requires unanimity, so making it conditional effectively just sets out terms under which consent for the extension would be removed.
"Such an extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spiritof the Withdrawal Agreement"
There's no indication the extension is conditional on any of that. As I said, Article 50 doesn't provide for the extension to be conditional.
If the UK wants to give promises about how it's going to behave, obviously it can, but it would be separate from the operation of Article 50.
They could make it a rolling daily extension if you want to be pedantic about conditionality.
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
I really don’t see it that way. The very fact there are Euro Elections being held is a massive Fuck You to Leave voters. They’re not represented on here or Twitter, but there are a lot of people angry at that, and it is big motivation for anti EU parties, akin to a football manager slagging an opposing team off and their boss putting the clippings on the dressing room wall
What like the Leave march, and the Leave petition? titter
Or the referendum itself perhaps ?
Of course that was back in the day when we had a democracy and votes counted.
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
I really don’t see it that way. The very fact there are Euro Elections being held is a massive Fuck You to Leave voters. They’re not represented on here or Twitter, but there are a lot of people angry at that, and it is big motivation for anti EU parties, akin to a football manager slagging an opposing team off and their boss putting the clippings on the dressing room wall
What like the Leave march, and the Leave petition? titter
We’ll see. I’m used to pre election mockery from over confident EU types, it paid a few bills in May 2015 and June 2016.
Well, as I said earlier, if many Leave inclined people (to be fair, I don't think you are one of these) had been a little less disespectful of Remain voters we would probably be in a different place. I think the phenomena that you describe will very much apply to Remain supporters who have had the ya boo sucks approach from the Leave camp since 2016, and will be looking to even the score. But, then, as you say, we will have to see.
It’s not often someone has a worse day than Theresa May, but Mike Ashley has today.
Why would that be , he can afford to lose a shedload and not even notice. He may be pissed off but no long term affect , whereas Theresa is being insulted and ridiculed at home and abroad.
Losing £150M is a fair old loss, I get miffed if I lose a fiver.
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
I really don’t see it that way. The very fact there are Euro Elections being held is a massive Fuck You to Leave voters. They’re not represented on here or Twitter, but there are a lot of people angry at that, and it is big motivation for anti EU parties, akin to a football manager slagging an opposing team off and their boss putting the clippings on the dressing room wall
What like the Leave march, and the Leave petition? titter
Or the referendum itself perhaps ?
Of course that was back in the day when we had a democracy and votes counted.
Referendums pale into insignificance when up against opinion poll panels, and marches/petitions that include those not qualified to vote and their multiple email addresses
It’s not often someone has a worse day than Theresa May, but Mike Ashley has today.
I honestly don't know who Mike Ashley is. Just about to google him.
The Sports Direct guy. Spent £millions buying 30% of Debenhams, offered to take it over, but the creditors turned him down and went bankrupt instead, rendering his shares worthless.
It’s not often someone has a worse day than Theresa May, but Mike Ashley has today.
Why would that be , he can afford to lose a shedload and not even notice. He may be pissed off but no long term affect , whereas Theresa is being insulted and ridiculed at home and abroad.
Losing £150M is a fair old loss, I get miffed if I lose a fiver.
For sure, but he will not need to tighten his belt just the same. Seems crazy they did not accept his deal, it must have been better than the alternative.
It’s not often someone has a worse day than Theresa May, but Mike Ashley has today.
Why would that be , he can afford to lose a shedload and not even notice. He may be pissed off but no long term affect , whereas Theresa is being insulted and ridiculed at home and abroad.
Losing £150M is a fair old loss, I get miffed if I lose a fiver.
Well he can afford it, though I assume people who acquire such massive wealth probably get even more upset by the loss of a fiver or theyd not be so driven to wealth in the first place.
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
I really don’t see it that way. The very fact there are Euro Elections being held is a massive Fuck You to Leave voters. They’re not represented on here or Twitter, but there are a lot of people angry at that, and it is big motivation for anti EU parties, akin to a football manager slagging an opposing team off and their boss putting the clippings on the dressing room wall
What like the Leave march, and the Leave petition? titter
We’ll see. I’m used to pre election mockery from over confident EU types, it paid a few bills in May 2015 and June 2016.
Well, as I said earlier, if many Leave inclined people (to be fair, I don't think you are one of these) had been a little less disespectful of Remain voters we would probably be in a different place. I think the phenomena that you describe will very much apply to Remain supporters who have had the ya boo sucks approach from the Leave camp since 2016, and will be looking to even the score. But, then, as you say, we will have to see.
To be honest I don’t know anyone like that either. Most people I know voted Leave, and just assumed that meant we would leave. It is the perceived lack of acceptance of the result from the political establishment that has created the division. When Leave won I sighed with relief as it meant I could be a lefty again... alas not.
The media keep playing the narrative that the EU elections will return a huge pro Brexit contingent . Completely ignoring the possibility that pro EU parties could do well.
It’s not often someone has a worse day than Theresa May, but Mike Ashley has today.
Why would that be , he can afford to lose a shedload and not even notice. He may be pissed off but no long term affect , whereas Theresa is being insulted and ridiculed at home and abroad.
Losing £150M is a fair old loss, I get miffed if I lose a fiver.
For sure, but he will not need to tighten his belt just the same. Seems crazy they did not accept his deal, it must have been better than the alternative.
Can't help feeling that there must be a fair bit of freehold on the Debenhams balance sheet but ex general department stores are not easy to shift. Ask Ashley, he's got several left over from HoF.
But that would be illegal, and leave them with a much worse problem if we revoked.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
How would it be illegal? All they have to do is draft the extension conditions so that it expires if the UK violates them. They've already done this with the first extension.
I don't think Article 50 provides for any conditions to be attached to an extension.
It's already been done as part of the first extension. An extension requires unanimity, so making it conditional effectively just sets out terms under which consent for the extension would be removed.
"Such an extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spiritof the Withdrawal Agreement"
There's no indication the extension is conditional on any of that. As I said, Article 50 doesn't provide for the extension to be conditional.
If the UK wants to give promises about how it's going to behave, obviously it can, but it would be separate from the operation of Article 50.
They could make it a rolling daily extension if you want to be pedantic about conditionality.
Easy way around Cooper-Letwin then - PM calls Macron a twat every day, vetos all motions and stops Irish lorries at Holyhead for extensive customs checks.
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
I really don’t see it that way. The very fact there are Euro Elections being held is a massive Fuck You to Leave voters. They’re not represented on here or Twitter, but there are a lot of people angry at that, and it is big motivation for anti EU parties, akin to a football manager slagging an opposing team off and their boss putting the clippings on the dressing room wall
What like the Leave march, and the Leave petition? titter
Or the referendum itself perhaps ?
Of course that was back in the day when we had a democracy and votes counted.
We have never had a democracy. We certainly do not have a referendum based democracy, and there were substantial flaws in that referendum which are enough to question its legitimacy. I don't favour referenda, particularly simplistic ones, but if we must be held hostage to them, then Leave advocates should not be afraid to get clarification from "the people". The Brexit referendum is the opiate of the masses; it prevents you from seeing the glaring problems with our system of representation that are far more in need of reform than our membership of the EU.
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
I really don’t see it that way. The very fact there are Euro Elections being held is a massive Fuck You to Leave voters. They’re not represented on here or Twitter, but there are a lot of people angry at that, and it is big motivation for anti EU parties, akin to a football manager slagging an opposing team off and their boss putting the clippings on the dressing room wall
What like the Leave march, and the Leave petition? titter
Or the referendum itself perhaps ?
Of course that was back in the day when we had a democracy and votes counted.
Referendums pale into insignificance when up against opinion poll panels, and marches/petitions that include those not qualified to vote and their multiple email addresses
Or interference from a hostile power perhaps? Oh, hang on.....
The media keep playing the narrative that the EU elections will return a huge pro Brexit contingent . Completely ignoring the possibility that pro EU parties could do well.
Are there any pro-EU parties ? Or are they just anti-Brexit.
The remainers are enthused and motivated to come out and vote..the Brexit side not so..therefore it can only be one result..a large number of Lib Dem and Change Uk MEPs
I really don’t see it that way. The very fact there are Euro Elections being held is a massive Fuck You to Leave voters. They’re not represented on here or Twitter, but there are a lot of people angry at that, and it is big motivation for anti EU parties, akin to a football manager slagging an opposing team off and their boss putting the clippings on the dressing room wall
What like the Leave march, and the Leave petition? titter
Or the referendum itself perhaps ?
Of course that was back in the day when we had a democracy and votes counted.
Referendums pale into insignificance when up against opinion poll panels, and marches/petitions that include those not qualified to vote and their multiple email addresses
I do feel your pain, Sam. The country voted to leave and yet here we are not having left and looking as though we might not for some time to come. Why don't we just leave? This Friday for example?
I do have one question, though - let's suppose that the whole CBI, TUC, BoE, Michael Gove, You Name It predictions of economic chaos are not just project fear but are very close approximations of what may happen.
Would you be happy to leave with no deal or are you happy to wait until we get some kind of deal whether it be the WA or a Lab-inspired compromise?
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FWIW I think the SNP just might squeeze a third, especially if there is differential voting by remainers over leavers but the Tories will have aspirations for a second. Everyone else is wasting their time (assuming that they are not all wasting their time of course).
https://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2019/04/the-practicalities-of-fighting-a-euro-election-look-no-more-appealing-than-the-principle-of-holding-one.html
https://twitter.com/simongerman600/status/1102541703859314688
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1115618055361585152
Which I do think is one word not two as in the image.
London Region - 8 MEPs
North West Region - 8 MEPs
West Midlands Region - 7 MEPs
Eastern Region - 7 MEPs
Yorkshire and the Humber - 6 MEPs
Scotland - 6 MEPs
South West Region - 6 MEPs
East Midlands Region - 5 MEPs
Wales - 4 MEPs
Northern Ireland - 3 MEPs
North East Region - 3 MEPs
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But then, I'd probably call someone an arsehat. Or a derrierechapeau.
Edited extra bit: chapeauderriere? And yes, there's an accent missing...
https://readeasy.org.uk/
Edited extra bit: and cheers.
Says it might be the case we have EU elections but MEPs never sit in the EP if we leave end June.
If you live in your home country, you can only vote for the EU candidates standing for election in your own country.
If you are registered and live in another EU country, you can:
vote for candidates standing in your home country or participate in the election of your host country and vote for candidates standing in that country.
You can only vote once at the European elections.
You may need to register to vote with the national authorities in your host country before the election takes place. In some EU countries, you are registered automatically once you register your residence there. If you need to register, check the registration deadlines in your host country well in advance as they vary from country to country."
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Still are, if their signs are to be believed.
I think if you take people of low educational attainment, cosset them for several years when most of us are learning to look after ourselves, providing them with most of their food, accommodation, entertainment, support networks etc and then put them out on their own in their 30s it is hardly surprising that they don't cope. It's frankly irresponsible.
David, Not sure where you see any Tories cosseting poor people, is it an east coast thing.
It is ironic to see the EU, having stood firmly to the letter of their rules all this time, frantically trying to find a way round them.
The advantage would be that as it would make revoke much more difficult it may finally persuade certain intellectually challenged persons to vote for the deal at last.
One big thing going for the two major parties is that UKIP is not the force it was. Its big beast has left and the party itself lacks the punch it had a few years ago.
Against that, both pro- and anti-EU sentiment is much stronger than it was.
It's a less dramatic version of our own contortions of avoiding a decision and wanting to eat cake and have it.
Although on the remain side I suspect the votes will be head the Lib Dems / Change UK's direction anyway...
The SG was also asked about costs and compensation for the elected candidates, and again the Government ducked the issue.
Pennycook says they would expect government to accept any longer extension (avoids Q of why no Labour amendment)
If there is not a Tory collapse I will be stunned. People are suggesting they not bother for a reason, it's a free hit.
https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/XT-20006-2019-INIT/en/pdf
"Such an extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spiritof the Withdrawal Agreement"
Someone was on legal twitter the other day questioning whether A50 can be extended more than once on a literal read. Anyone else come across this?
If the UK wants to give promises about how it's going to behave, obviously it can, but it would be separate from the operation of Article 50.
Bishop BrennanJean-Claude Juncker Up the Arse Party.https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/08/andrew-sullivan-no-democrat-immigration-policy-beat-trump/
Of course that was back in the day when we had a democracy and votes counted.
We will be out in no time.
The Public has a Right To Know!!
I look forward to their pro-EU manifestoes..
I do have one question, though - let's suppose that the whole CBI, TUC, BoE, Michael Gove, You Name It predictions of economic chaos are not just project fear but are very close approximations of what may happen.
Would you be happy to leave with no deal or are you happy to wait until we get some kind of deal whether it be the WA or a Lab-inspired compromise?
He used to get really pissed that everyone called him Frankie Redhouse.