Im hearing some Tory MPs being allowed home from the commons tonight before the vote..the whips are suggesting to certain individuals that they have pressing engagements so they can get out of being whipped on the Art 50 extension vote..
The A50 vote will go through and if the Gvt can get Brexiters to go home before it, so much the better.
The only way I can make sense of the betting patterns is if there is a filibuster attempt lined up for the Lords, presumably tomorrow.
Meanwhile we have a good body of MPs determined to turn the Letwin process into chaos, both major parties struggling with whether and how to try to whip their members, and everyone else apparently only going to vote 'yes' to their favourite option. It will be a miracle if parliament emerges better regarded than it is right now.
Meanwhile Labour Shadow Business Minister Pidcock is on BBC PL and I am wondering whether there is any bottom to Labour's barrel.
The current government has some right idiots, but you take a look at the other team and think you are having a giraffe. Regardless of politics, I genuinely not sure how they would cope trying to keep on top of the day to day aspects of running the country.
The likes of Gove could start an argument in an empty lift and is constantly plotting, but I don't think people doubt he can actually run the day to day operation of a government department.
They wouldn't have to. Seumas Milne would be running things.
This. With the concluding missive "fuck the lot of you" as she walks from the '22 noisly farting.
At least Major had the style to say "I lost. I quit. See ya" and then go to the cricket where he could sit there grinning at the cameras through his shades.
She's probably relaxed because the Commons took back control and guess what? Even (k)nobs like JRM and our very own @******_****** realise that when you get down and dirty, which is where we are now, her deal is the only game in town.
None of the nearly 40 Conservative MPs who I identified last week as irreconcilables have yet shown any sign that they are now reconcilable. Indeed at least one new one, Suella Braverman, has added herself to that list.
HYFUD will be very upset that his beloved Boris is not popular with conservative voters
What are you talking about? 90% of respondents had an opinion on him, level with Theresa May and more than any other candidate. Might as well give him the job now.
He's in joint first place for "agree", AND ahead of Corbyn. Can't lose, really.
Im hearing some Tory MPs being allowed home from the commons tonight before the vote..the whips are suggesting to certain individuals that they have pressing engagements so they can get out of being whipped on the Art 50 extension vote..
The A50 vote will go through and if the Gvt can get Brexiters to go home before it, so much the better.
The only way I can make sense of the betting patterns is if there is a filibuster attempt lined up for the Lords, presumably tomorrow.
Meanwhile we have a good body of MPs determined to turn the Letwin process into chaos, both major parties struggling with whether and how to try to whip their members, and everyone else apparently only going to vote 'yes' to their favourite option. It will be a miracle if parliament emerges better regarded than it is right now.
Meanwhile Labour Shadow Business Minister Pidcock is on BBC PL and I am wondering whether there is any bottom to Labour's barrel.
The current government has some right idiots, but you take a look at the other team and think you are having a giraffe. Regardless of politics, I genuinely not sure how they would cope trying to keep on top of the day to day aspects of running the country.
The likes of Gove could start an argument in an empty lift and is constantly plotting, but I don't think people doubt he can actually run the day to day operation of a government department.
They wouldn't have to. Seumas Milne would be running things.
I thought it was John McDonnell was going to, but concentrating all the power in the "re-educated" treasury?
HYFUD will be very upset that his beloved Boris is not popular with conservative voters
What are you talking about? 90% of respondents had an opinion on him, level with Theresa May and more than any other candidate. Might as well give him the job now.
This. With the concluding missive "fuck the lot of you" as she walks from the '22 noisly farting.
At least Major had the style to say "I lost. I quit. See ya" and then go to the cricket where he could sit there grinning at the cameras through his shades.
She's probably relaxed because the Commons took back control and guess what? Even (k)nobs like JRM and our very own @******_****** realise that when you get down and dirty, which is where we are now, her deal is the only game in town.
None of the nearly 40 Conservative MPs who I identified last week as irreconcilables have yet shown any sign that they are now reconcilable. Indeed at least one new one, Suella Braverman, has added herself to that list.
This. With the concluding missive "fuck the lot of you" as she walks from the '22 noisly farting.
At least Major had the style to say "I lost. I quit. See ya" and then go to the cricket where he could sit there grinning at the cameras through his shades.
She's probably relaxed because the Commons took back control and guess what? Even (k)nobs like JRM and our very own @******_****** realise that when you get down and dirty, which is where we are now, her deal is the only game in town.
None of the nearly 40 Conservative MPs who I identified last week as irreconcilables have yet shown any sign that they are now reconcilable. Indeed at least one new one, Suella Braverman, has added herself to that list.
Plus, the DUP have been uncharacteristically inflexible.
This. With the concluding missive "fuck the lot of you" as she walks from the '22 noisly farting.
At least Major had the style to say "I lost. I quit. See ya" and then go to the cricket where he could sit there grinning at the cameras through his shades.
She's probably relaxed because the Commons took back control and guess what? Even (k)nobs like JRM and our very own @******_****** realise that when you get down and dirty, which is where we are now, her deal is the only game in town.
None of the nearly 40 Conservative MPs who I identified last week as irreconcilables have yet shown any sign that they are now reconcilable. Indeed at least one new one, Suella Braverman, has added herself to that list.
I am after my very own unicorn. It is the least unlikely outcome.
This. With the concluding missive "fuck the lot of you" as she walks from the '22 noisly farting.
At least Major had the style to say "I lost. I quit. See ya" and then go to the cricket where he could sit there grinning at the cameras through his shades.
She's probably relaxed because the Commons took back control and guess what? Even (k)nobs like JRM and our very own @******_****** realise that when you get down and dirty, which is where we are now, her deal is the only game in town.
None of the nearly 40 Conservative MPs who I identified last week as irreconcilables have yet shown any sign that they are now reconcilable. Indeed at least one new one, Suella Braverman, has added herself to that list.
I appreciate your usual jovial tone, TSE, but it is hardly inconceivable that May leaves as head of the Conservative party with immediate effect - currently 24/1.
I think she might resign as PM and hand over as PM to someone else but remain as Tory leader for the next few months whilst a new leader is elected.
How would a new PM be selected in these circumstances?
So what are the odds all the proposals get voted down. That’d be a laugh.
I assume they'll continue with whichever option is the least unpopular, even if it was not supported by a majority of MPs.
For some reason a lot of people here are assuming that even if options come much closer to a majority than May's deal, they'll be eliminated and May's deal will be the last one standing. I'm not sure why.
This is something that anyone who actually pays attention has known for weeks if not months. Going forward the Speaker should disallow any amendment which does not accept this point.
This does not mean we can't have Norway, Norway+, Canada, Corbyn's preferred version or any other final arrangement. It just means that for them as the next step after Brexit to happen the WA has to pass.
I beg to differ:
What I accept is that... "You WILL NOT, repeat NOT, be able to renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement during anthe current agreed extension."
But a longer extension? Who knows... I think the EU would be very willing to re-negotiate if we extended by a year with a committed purpose. (I'm not saying that's going to happen though.)
What Bercow should do is strike off the true unicorns like Malthouse - the EU will not agree to drop the backstop from the current deal.
No, Richard T is right on this - look at the Peter Foster tweets.
Other than Malthouse and the unilateral backstop exit option, do any of the options actually require a renegotiation of the WA?
Remember that Labour objects to any splitting of the WA and PD. Which is not without merit in some respects, though I think at some point you have to.
The problem for Labour is that once the WA is passed, the PD is back in the hands of the government who actually attend the negotiations. I shall repeat my suggestion from a couple of weeks ago, that the transition period after withdrawal should be extended to the end of 2022, by which time there has to be a GE.
I appreciate your usual jovial tone, TSE, but it is hardly inconceivable that May leaves as head of the Conservative party with immediate effect - currently 24/1.
I think she might resign as PM and hand over as PM to someone else but remain as Tory leader for the next few months whilst a new leader is elected.
How would a new PM be selected in these circumstances?
Belching contest. Little known constitutional fact, that.
So what are the odds all the proposals get voted down. That’d be a laugh.
I assume they'll continue with whichever option is the least unpopular, even if it was not supported by a majority of MPs.
For some reason a lot of people here are assuming that even if options come much closer to a majority than May's deal, they'll be eliminated and May's deal will be the last one standing. I'm not sure why.
In order to enact any of the proposals May's deal must be ratified.
I appreciate your usual jovial tone, TSE, but it is hardly inconceivable that May leaves as head of the Conservative party with immediate effect - currently 24/1.
I think she might resign as PM and hand over as PM to someone else but remain as Tory leader for the next few months whilst a new leader is elected.
How would a new PM be selected in these circumstances?
Theresa May tells Her Majesty to call for Jeremy Hunt or David Lidington.
So what are the odds all the proposals get voted down. That’d be a laugh.
I assume they'll continue with whichever option is the least unpopular, even if it was not supported by a majority of MPs.
For some reason a lot of people here are assuming that even if options come much closer to a majority than May's deal, they'll be eliminated and May's deal will be the last one standing. I'm not sure why.
In order to enact any of the proposals May's deal must be ratified.
May's deal includes the PD, right? I'd have thought some of the proposals would mean having to vote through the WA separately then seek modifications to the PD
So what are the odds all the proposals get voted down. That’d be a laugh.
I assume they'll continue with whichever option is the least unpopular, even if it was not supported by a majority of MPs.
For some reason a lot of people here are assuming that even if options come much closer to a majority than May's deal, they'll be eliminated and May's deal will be the last one standing. I'm not sure why.
In order to enact any of the proposals May's deal must be ratified.
May's deal includes the PD, right? I'd have thought some of the proposals would mean having to vote through the WA separately then seek modifications to the PD
Also the proposals to leave with no deal or revoke don't require May's deal to be ratified.
So what are the odds all the proposals get voted down. That’d be a laugh.
I assume they'll continue with whichever option is the least unpopular, even if it was not supported by a majority of MPs.
For some reason a lot of people here are assuming that even if options come much closer to a majority than May's deal, they'll be eliminated and May's deal will be the last one standing. I'm not sure why.
In order to enact any of the proposals May's deal must be ratified.
May's deal includes the PD, right? I'd have thought some of the proposals would mean having to vote through the WA separately then seek modifications to the PD
Modifications to the bit of paper the EU can instantly bin? I’m sure they’ll be all for that.
So what are the odds all the proposals get voted down. That’d be a laugh.
I assume they'll continue with whichever option is the least unpopular, even if it was not supported by a majority of MPs.
For some reason a lot of people here are assuming that even if options come much closer to a majority than May's deal, they'll be eliminated and May's deal will be the last one standing. I'm not sure why.
In order to enact any of the proposals May's deal must be ratified.
May's deal includes the PD, right? I'd have thought some of the proposals would mean having to vote through the WA separately then seek modifications to the PD
But the PD is not legally binding. The only legally binding bit is the WA
So what are the odds all the proposals get voted down. That’d be a laugh.
I assume they'll continue with whichever option is the least unpopular, even if it was not supported by a majority of MPs.
For some reason a lot of people here are assuming that even if options come much closer to a majority than May's deal, they'll be eliminated and May's deal will be the last one standing. I'm not sure why.
In order to enact any of the proposals May's deal must be ratified.
May's deal includes the PD, right? I'd have thought some of the proposals would mean having to vote through the WA separately then seek modifications to the PD
Also the proposals to leave with no deal or revoke don't require May's deal to be ratified.
Aren’t those two predicted to lose by the biggest margin?
So what are the odds all the proposals get voted down. That’d be a laugh.
I assume they'll continue with whichever option is the least unpopular, even if it was not supported by a majority of MPs.
For some reason a lot of people here are assuming that even if options come much closer to a majority than May's deal, they'll be eliminated and May's deal will be the last one standing. I'm not sure why.
In order to enact any of the proposals May's deal must be ratified.
May's deal includes the PD, right? I'd have thought some of the proposals would mean having to vote through the WA separately then seek modifications to the PD
Modifications to the bit of paper the EU can instantly bin? I’m sure they’ll be all for that.
The UK Government could instantly bin it too.
Especially considering when May goes a new PM isn't bound by her non binding pledges
So what are the odds all the proposals get voted down. That’d be a laugh.
I assume they'll continue with whichever option is the least unpopular, even if it was not supported by a majority of MPs.
For some reason a lot of people here are assuming that even if options come much closer to a majority than May's deal, they'll be eliminated and May's deal will be the last one standing. I'm not sure why.
In order to enact any of the proposals May's deal must be ratified.
May's deal includes the PD, right? I'd have thought some of the proposals would mean having to vote through the WA separately then seek modifications to the PD
Modifications to the bit of paper the EU can instantly bin? I’m sure they’ll be all for that.
Why would the EU bin it? They'd be happy with, e.g., a customs union.
So in spite of having "taken back control", we know nothing that happens today matters. None of the votes mean very much and nothing will change except we will be a day further down the road to No Deal.
We have still, as the only games in town, leaving with an agreed WA on 22/5, leaving without an agreed WA on 12/4 or revocation. When Ken Clarke, who seems to know his onions, talked about revocation the other day, he didn't say anything about stopping Brexit. What he implied was that as the current negotiations have floundered, we should cancel and re-instigate A50 after the EU elections and after a suitable time for reflection.
Now. that could include a GE or it may not - I suppose if it did and a Party won a majority on a particular plan (Norway, Canada Lite, Andorra Heavy or whatever) that would be a mandated position to file for A50 again and re-commence negotiation. At least the EU would be clear where the UK stood and it might well be the second round of negotiations would proceed far more smoothly than the first.
I'd rather Revoke, sort out exactly what we want and then re-apply A50 on a united and coherent position than either run down the clock with no WA or support what (despite the claims of the May apologists) is a flawed WA.
The problem is the Conservatives are terrified their voter base will not take kindly to revocation claiming (via the Mail and Express) it's a betrayal of the sacred 23/6/16 Referendum. Maybe but there comes a point when, whether they like it or not, parties can decide to act in the national interest or their own interest and if acting in the national interest is contrary to their own interest, so be it.
I well remember the siren calls from Conservatives for taxes to be cut in the run up to the 1997 election but Clarke refused and in so doing may have contributed to Blair's landslide but he bequeathed a sound economic position to Brown. Sometimes the best for the country isn't the best for your Party and you have to take the hit in the national interest.
This is, I am afraid, the biggest unicorn of them all. If we revoke there is no way on earth Parliament will ever let us invoke again.
So what are the odds all the proposals get voted down. That’d be a laugh.
I assume they'll continue with whichever option is the least unpopular, even if it was not supported by a majority of MPs.
For some reason a lot of people here are assuming that even if options come much closer to a majority than May's deal, they'll be eliminated and May's deal will be the last one standing. I'm not sure why.
In order to enact any of the proposals May's deal must be ratified.
May's deal includes the PD, right? I'd have thought some of the proposals would mean having to vote through the WA separately then seek modifications to the PD
Also the proposals to leave with no deal or revoke don't require May's deal to be ratified.
Aren’t those two predicted to lose by the biggest margin?
No idea, though I wouldn't be at all surprised (depending on what's selected).
This. With the concluding missive "fuck the lot of you" as she walks from the '22 noisly farting.
At least Major had the style to say "I lost. I quit. See ya" and then go to the cricket where he could sit there grinning at the cameras through his shades.
She's probably relaxed because the Commons took back control and guess what? Even (k)nobs like JRM and our very own @******_****** realise that when you get down and dirty, which is where we are now, her deal is the only game in town.
Find me a single post Topping (a single one) I made going back to the Chequers Deal last year when I didn’t support May’s Deal.
So in spite of having "taken back control", we know nothing that happens today matters. None of the votes mean very much and nothing will change except we will be a day further down the road to No Deal.
We have still, as the only games in town, leaving with an agreed WA on 22/5, leaving without an agreed WA on 12/4 or revocation. When Ken Clarke, who seems to know his onions, talked about revocation the other day, he didn't say anything about stopping Brexit. What he implied was that as the current negotiations have floundered, we should cancel and re-instigate A50 after the EU elections and after a suitable time for reflection.
Now. that could include a GE or it may not - I suppose if it did and a Party won a majority on a particular plan (Norway, Canada Lite, Andorra Heavy or whatever) that would be a mandated position to file for A50 again and re-commence negotiation. At least the EU would be clear where the UK stood and it might well be the second round of negotiations would proceed far more smoothly than the first.
I'd rather Revoke, sort out exactly what we want and then re-apply A50 on a united and coherent position than either run down the clock with no WA or support what (despite the claims of the May apologists) is a flawed WA.
The problem is the Conservatives are terrified their voter base will not take kindly to revocation claiming (via the Mail and Express) it's a betrayal of the sacred 23/6/16 Referendum. Maybe but there comes a point when, whether they like it or not, parties can decide to act in the national interest or their own interest and if acting in the national interest is contrary to their own interest, so be it.
I well remember the siren calls from Conservatives for taxes to be cut in the run up to the 1997 election but Clarke refused and in so doing may have contributed to Blair's landslide but he bequeathed a sound economic position to Brown. Sometimes the best for the country isn't the best for your Party and you have to take the hit in the national interest.
This is, I am afraid, the biggest unicorn of them all. If we revoke there is no way on earth Parliament will ever let us invoke again.
Just a deal yes/no I think, with the consequences of no left down to parliament (probably yet another extension).
May would surely go for that if Labour was up for it.
She most certainly would. She would luv it.
For me, Kyle Wilson should stay on the bench at this point. Should be brought on only if and when the most favoured PD is identified (May, Norway, 2.0, whatever it is) and should be used in a striker role, i.e. as an amendment to get it over the line and in the back of the net.
The confirmatory REF2 lock is process and should not be considered alongside what are outcomes. It is illogical to do that and it further messes up what is already a messed up exercise.
So what are the odds all the proposals get voted down. That’d be a laugh.
I assume they'll continue with whichever option is the least unpopular, even if it was not supported by a majority of MPs.
For some reason a lot of people here are assuming that even if options come much closer to a majority than May's deal, they'll be eliminated and May's deal will be the last one standing. I'm not sure why.
In order to enact any of the proposals May's deal must be ratified.
May's deal includes the PD, right? I'd have thought some of the proposals would mean having to vote through the WA separately then seek modifications to the PD
But the PD is not legally binding. The only legally binding bit is the WA
The govt should release some most loyal rebels for the various customs stuff. The legal effect is to get May's deal througj
Whether Corbyn becomes PM will depend very much IMO on what the main focus of the election campaign is. If it's the economy, he wins. If it's immigration/social issues, he won't.
Whether Corbyn becomes PM will depend very much IMO on what the main focus of the election campaign is. If it's the economy, he wins. If it's immigration/social issues, he won't.
So in spite of having "taken back control", we know nothing that happens today matters. None of the votes mean very much and nothing will change except we will be a day further down the road to No Deal.
We have still, as the only games in town, leaving with an agreed WA on 22/5, leaving without an agreed WA on 12/4 or revocation. When Ken Clarke, who seems to know his onions, talked about revocation the other day, he didn't say anything about stopping Brexit. What he implied was that as the current negotiations have floundered, we should cancel and re-instigate A50 after the EU elections and after a suitable time for reflection.
Now. that could include a GE or it may not - I suppose if it did and a Party won a majority on a particular plan (Norway, Canada Lite, Andorra Heavy or whatever) that would be a mandated position to file for A50 again and re-commence negotiation. At least the EU would be clear where the UK stood and it might well be the second round of negotiations would proceed far more smoothly than the first.
I'd rather Revoke, sort out exactly what we want and then re-apply A50 on a united and coherent position than either run down the clock with no WA or support what (despite the claims of the May apologists) is a flawed WA.
The problem is the Conservatives are terrified their voter base will not take kindly to revocation claiming (via the Mail and Express) it's a betrayal of the sacred 23/6/16 Referendum. Maybe but there comes a point when, whether they like it or not, parties can decide to act in the national interest or their own interest and if acting in the national interest is contrary to their own interest, so be it.
I well remember the siren calls from Conservatives for taxes to be cut in the run up to the 1997 election but Clarke refused and in so doing may have contributed to Blair's landslide but he bequeathed a sound economic position to Brown. Sometimes the best for the country isn't the best for your Party and you have to take the hit in the national interest.
This is, I am afraid, the biggest unicorn of them all. If we revoke there is no way on earth Parliament will ever let us invoke again.
And they'll be in tune with most of the people, who won't want to get on this horror train ride again for at least a generation.
This is, I am afraid, the biggest unicorn of them all. If we revoke there is no way on earth Parliament will ever let us invoke again.
Are you the same Richard Tyndall who predicts that if we revoke, a majority government committed to Brexit would get elected in short order? There seems to be a contradiction...
So what are the odds all the proposals get voted down. That’d be a laugh.
I assume they'll continue with whichever option is the least unpopular, even if it was not supported by a majority of MPs.
For some reason a lot of people here are assuming that even if options come much closer to a majority than May's deal, they'll be eliminated and May's deal will be the last one standing. I'm not sure why.
My take is that the government is banking on this afternoon being chaos (helped along by the antics of a lot on their own side) and that all the options may have more against than for. Then they pop up with MV3 on Friday, pre-empting the planned 'Letwin: the sequel' on Monday.
Just a deal yes/no I think, with the consequences of no left down to parliament (probably yet another extension).
May would surely go for that if Labour was up for it.
She most certainly would. She would luv it.
For me, Kyle Wilson should stay on the bench at this point. Should be brought on only if and when the most favoured PD is identified (May, Norway, 2.0, whatever it is) and should be used in a striker role, i.e. as an amendment to get it over the line and in the back of the net.
The confirmatory REF2 lock is process and should not be considered alongside what are outcomes. It is illogical to do that and it further messes up what is already a messed up exercise.
"The confirmatory REF2 lock is process" - no it is of the UTMOST substance.
This. With the concluding missive "fuck the lot of you" as she walks from the '22 noisly farting.
At least Major had the style to say "I lost. I quit. See ya" and then go to the cricket where he could sit there grinning at the cameras through his shades.
She's probably relaxed because the Commons took back control and guess what? Even (k)nobs like JRM and our very own @******_****** realise that when you get down and dirty, which is where we are now, her deal is the only game in town.
Find me a single post Topping (a single one) I made going back to the Chequers Deal last year when I didn’t support May’s Deal.
Where in that post did I say that you ever didn't support the deal.
So, with the DUP still in No Surrender mode and cowardly custards like Mogg only willing to vote for it if the DUP will, that still has May's deal stone cold dead. Which leaves revoke or no deal. Regardless of the pantomime being acted out this afternoon.
When will Bercow announce which amendments will be voted on?
If the Business Motion passes - vote at 3pm.
Reckon it'll be a lot later than that. Remember that the ERG wreckers will surely push their whole batch of procedural amendments to division, 15 minutes each time.
This was the Party split of the vote in February 2017 - the Noes included Ken Clarke, all the LDs and SNP MPs along with Caroline Lucas. Labour voted 4-1 (roughly) in favour.
I suspect Ken thought we weren't ready but he was in a minority of one but as I've often had to explain, a majority simply means the largest number of people wrong about any given subject at any given time.
My view is following a Conservative majority win in a GE, there would be a majority to invoke so that's the gamble of revocation if the Parliamentary numbers drop your way.
So parliament is sovereign, except when it derogates authority to the people, unless it doesn't like the result, in which case it picks back up authority in order to rederogate it back to the people.
Michael Gove's figures are appalling. He's well known and the public are clear in their minds that he's not Prime Ministerial.
He is not even human
I mean, the worst you can say about Corbo is that he is a lying fucktard who despises Britain but he's still several rungs up the evolutionary ladder from Gove and would be a far better PM.
So, with the DUP still in No Surrender mode and cowardly custards like Mogg only willing to vote for it if the DUP will, that still has May's deal stone cold dead. Which leaves revoke or no deal. Regardless of the pantomime being acted out this afternoon.
So, with the DUP still in No Surrender mode and cowardly custards like Mogg only willing to vote for it if the DUP will, that still has May's deal stone cold dead. Which leaves revoke or no deal. Regardless of the pantomime being acted out this afternoon.
Didn’t Mogg say he’d vote for it?
He chickened out after the abuse he received to saying he'd back the deal if the DUP backed it.
So parliament is sovereign, except when it derogates authority to the people, unless it doesn't like the result, in which case it picks back up authority in order to rederogate it back to the people.
Have I understood that all correctly ?
If parliament derogated authority on this question to the people, surely the meaningful vote on the outcome of negotiations should be held by the people, not by MPs?
I appreciate your usual jovial tone, TSE, but it is hardly inconceivable that May leaves as head of the Conservative party with immediate effect - currently 24/1.
I think she might resign as PM and hand over as PM to someone else but remain as Tory leader for the next few months whilst a new leader is elected.
How would a new PM be selected in these circumstances?
Theresa May tells Her Majesty to call for Jeremy Hunt or David Lidington.
Or maybe David Gauke.
And are we to suppose that Tory MPs would meekly accept May's imposition of her chosen successor on them (even if HM agreed to go along with it, which seems very unlikely)?
So, with the DUP still in No Surrender mode and cowardly custards like Mogg only willing to vote for it if the DUP will, that still has May's deal stone cold dead. Which leaves revoke or no deal. Regardless of the pantomime being acted out this afternoon.
Didn’t Mogg say he’d vote for it?
He chickened out after the abuse he received to saying he'd back the deal if the DUP backed it.
He probably shouldn’t have got that twitter account.
When will Bercow announce which amendments will be voted on?
If the Business Motion passes - vote at 3pm.
Reckon it'll be a lot later than that. Remember that the ERG wreckers will surely push their whole batch of procedural amendments to division, 15 minutes each time.
Always a delight to spot an error in a history. I listen to an audiobook about British history whilst exercising (except the bike, for which my stints are as long as a Blackadder episode) and was surprised to hear that Geoffrey of Anjou was 'the only son present' at Henry II's passing.
This is, I am afraid, the biggest unicorn of them all. If we revoke there is no way on earth Parliament will ever let us invoke again.
Are you the same Richard Tyndall who predicts that if we revoke, a majority government committed to Brexit would get elected in short order? There seems to be a contradiction...
No I am not. I don't remember ever having made that claim. Indeed I have said often on here that if we revoke as far as I am concerned this country is no longer a democracy. I suspect you have become so completely deluded by your Europhile disease that you have now just started making stuff up.
On the earlier subject of 'jobs worth' and people implementing rules regardless of circumstances - Back in January we got a parking ticket. We didn't know until we got the follow up because it had obviously blown away or been nicked.
Anyway we had paid for the parking but the voice recognition software had mistaken an F for an S on our registration so there was a simple provable explanation. The penalty has been waived.
However the letter says 'I should point out that I shall be unable to cancel and further Notices incurred in similar circumstances'. I was livid by the arrogance of this comment. We had paid and could prove it and it wasn't our mistake. You damn well will cancel future tickets if it happens again!
I was told if it happens again it will not be cancelled and I would have to go thru' the appeals process which presumably I would win. What a pointless exercise.
What is wrong with these people? What is the point in penalising people who have obeyed the rules?
This. With the concluding missive "fuck the lot of you" as she walks from the '22 noisly farting.
At least Major had the style to say "I lost. I quit. See ya" and then go to the cricket where he could sit there grinning at the cameras through his shades.
She's probably relaxed because the Commons took back control and guess what? Even (k)nobs like JRM and our very own @******_****** realise that when you get down and dirty, which is where we are now, her deal is the only game in town.
Find me a single post Topping (a single one) I made going back to the Chequers Deal last year when I didn’t support May’s Deal.
Where in that post did I say that you ever didn't support the deal.
When will Bercow announce which amendments will be voted on?
If the Business Motion passes - vote at 3pm.
Reckon it'll be a lot later than that. Remember that the ERG wreckers will surely push their whole batch of procedural amendments to division, 15 minutes each time.
Yes, but once the debate on the procedural motion concludes, all the amendments (go look at how many there are) need to be decided, then the main motion needs to be decided.
So what is the SNP's price for supporting the now imminent and inevitable Labour minority government? I reckon Indyref2 and Defence Secretary to nobble Trident which is a price Corbo will happily pay.
Boris is a busted flush. His "rise above politics, popular man of the people" image was destroyed by his leading the Referendum campaign, and his credibility as a top tier politician was destroyed by his time as FFS. It is remarkable that his Tory backers cannot see this.
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https://twitter.com/wabbey/status/1110889574346211330
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1110861901792243712
One would expect this MEP to be particularly well-placed to know the UK Parliamentary leadership's thinking.
Or maybe David Gauke.
https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1110891955477716997
Especially considering when May goes a new PM isn't bound by her non binding pledges
For me, Kyle Wilson should stay on the bench at this point. Should be brought on only if and when the most favoured PD is identified (May, Norway, 2.0, whatever it is) and should be used in a striker role, i.e. as an amendment to get it over the line and in the back of the net.
The confirmatory REF2 lock is process and should not be considered alongside what are outcomes. It is illogical to do that and it further messes up what is already a messed up exercise.
God I hate these poshos who pretend to be ordinary men of the people.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47691299
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmagenda/OP190327.pdf
So, with the DUP still in No Surrender mode and cowardly custards like Mogg only willing to vote for it if the DUP will, that still has May's deal stone cold dead. Which leaves revoke or no deal. Regardless of the pantomime being acted out this afternoon.
This was the Party split of the vote in February 2017 - the Noes included Ken Clarke, all the LDs and SNP MPs along with Caroline Lucas. Labour voted 4-1 (roughly) in favour.
I suspect Ken thought we weren't ready but he was in a minority of one but as I've often had to explain, a majority simply means the largest number of people wrong about any given subject at any given time.
My view is following a Conservative majority win in a GE, there would be a majority to invoke so that's the gamble of revocation if the Parliamentary numbers drop your way.
Have I understood that all correctly ?
Always a delight to spot an error in a history. I listen to an audiobook about British history whilst exercising (except the bike, for which my stints are as long as a Blackadder episode) and was surprised to hear that Geoffrey of Anjou was 'the only son present' at Henry II's passing.
Grim news, given he died three years earlier.
Anyway we had paid for the parking but the voice recognition software had mistaken an F for an S on our registration so there was a simple provable explanation. The penalty has been waived.
However the letter says 'I should point out that I shall be unable to cancel and further Notices incurred in similar circumstances'. I was livid by the arrogance of this comment. We had paid and could prove it and it wasn't our mistake. You damn well will cancel future tickets if it happens again!
I was told if it happens again it will not be cancelled and I would have to go thru' the appeals process which presumably I would win. What a pointless exercise.
What is wrong with these people? What is the point in penalising people who have obeyed the rules?
Own it.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1110868794447155200
That looks like doubly good news for the Remain end of Parliament.
Funny old world.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1110898537003397120