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Imagine, if you will, that Labour sweep to power under Jeremy Corbyn. There is much that an avowedly socialist government would wish to do. No doubt it would look at nationalising key industries. It would open up the spigots of the Treasury, letting its funds gush into any number of spending channels. It would look to make irreversible redistributions of wealth.
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So I struggle to accept these are necessarily calculated provocations, and if they are I don't know that it is working to the extend of leading to more defections so the PLP is more in the image the Corbyn project wants. While wanting more quiescent MPs can even Corbyn truly think losing many more MPs is a good idea?
Seems Labour have sunk to a new low. Still there's way more sinking to be done before the end of all this.
How on earth do moderate, non-jew hating MPs sleep at nights?
As for "One way or another, they get the Labour party – an asset of great value in the long term and worth a lot of short term pain." - my response would be two words: Ratner / Marconi.
2010 -143000
2018 -122000
https://www.fbu.org.uk/news/2019/03/06/union-urges-firefighters-reject-unrestricted-contract?fbclid=IwAR0RVegpbLBO8DpfaU7yEK8lfPEVozbGiz5a5ABnRHQ5NqslVEMToua0jpM
2010 7.9%
2018 4.1%
https://www.statista.com/statistics/279898/unemployment-rate-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/
2010 10 000 000
2017 8 000 000
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingseptember2017#overview-of-crime
2010 70.4
2018 75.8
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/february2019
There are two reasons why they are not shutting it down: (a) it is central to or otherwise arises out of their political world view. This was a point made by Siobhan McDonagh yesterday; (b) they are concerned that to do so would end up pointing the finger at Corbyn. How can a Labour Party criticise others for their reaction to anti-semitic murals without also criticising their own leader, etc.
But, fundamentally, I think they don't care about the reaction of the Jewish community or those appalled by what's happened. They reckon that this is of no interest to the vast majority of voters, that those who are appalled are unlikely to be Labour voters anyway and that, even if they were, they will probably be outnumbered by those attracted to Labour because of its anti-Jewish stance.
It is the same cynical - and utterly amoral - stance as that taken by those who used those posters in the Leave campaign. And in taking such a cynical stance, their calculation as to its electoral effect is probably correct. The moral compasses of political parties, of political campaigns have not featured highly in our public discourse. If we get amoral politicians cynically using hatred of minorities for political gain it is because the public don't care about this - or not enough.
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2010 31,630m @28%
2018 54,604m @19%
Arthur Laffer would be very proud
We need to look at the influence of mobile phone apps, social media, the culture that has grown up around knives in various communities and the effect of the reduction in the use of Stop and Search powers. Research like that is where we will find the causes - and possibly the solutions to this perceived knife crime epidemic.
Throwing around numbers and pointing fingers helps no-one.
Stop and search changes are possibly one of the most significant factors in all this - but it is hard to prove.
Excellent article, by the way.
If the Palestinians were to form a pro-US government, Corbyn would probably denounce them at the first opportunity.
However I do wonder if this theory requires too much competence from Labour - it might all be a mess they do not desire.
The current situation might just be a result of a lack of ability by the leadership to shut things down a couple of years ago. That failure has made it increasingly difficult to do the right thing now. They have descended the spiral of mistakes and are finding it harder and harder to do the right thing.
Or perhaps, as some of us contend, he really is an anti-Semite, and finds it difficult to punish fellow travellers who share his views. This is possible: he has spent decades telling himself and others that he is anti-racist, and he may have actually lost track of what that means.
Or might it just be that, after compromising on things like Trident and NATO membership, he cannot move any more without disheartening his true supporters. If true, this reflects very poorly on his true supporters: that they choose this topic as the thing they will not budge on.
Whatever the reason (or reasons), it has led to the current situation and the battening down of the hatches, along with the denial and excusing of anti-Semitism that we see daily from the Corbynites on here.
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Sort of mentioned this in the other thread, Some Jewish people were not happy about them being linked to capitalism or that their left wing views are suddenly anti semitic.
If she was a Corbyn supporting MP and made comments like that regarding Jews she would be suspended and hounded for it.
Also goes against actual research into the area but hey who doesn't love a good conspiracy theory.
https://cst.org.uk/public/data/file/7/4/JPR.2017.Antisemitism in contemporary Great Britain.pdf
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Levels of antisemitism among those on the left-wing of the political spectrum,
including the far-left, are indistinguishable from those found in the general
population. Yet, all parts of those on the left of the political spectrum – including
the ‘slightly left-of-centre,’ the ‘fairly left-wing’ and the ‘very left-wing’ – exhibit
higher levels of anti-Israelism than average. The most antisemitic group on the
political spectrum consists of those who identify as very right-wing:
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Whatever the many reasons, the government is on the back foot politically though. The Home Secretary needs to earn his salary by being seen to enable proposed solutions. Start with reintroducing stop and search and getting rid of the PC culture that stops criminals being chased on motorbikes.
It's such an easy answer you would have thought even Boles, Letwin and Powell would have got it, perhaps at the second go.
RIP Magenta Devine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47473388
“We are not interested in reforming … the police, armed services, judiciary and monarchy. We are about dismantling them and replacing them with our own machinery of class rule.”
Diane Abbott said that FFS
https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1103375814563905536?s=21
'A recall petition for Peterborough MP Fiona Onasanya will be launched on March 19, Peterborough city council has announced. As the Press Association reports, voters in the constituency will each be allocated to one of 10 signing stations where they can add their names to the petition. A byelection will be triggered if 10% of eligible voters - around 7,000 people - sign the petition before it closes at 5pm on 1 May.'
(In a rather ghastly way we are demonstrating the reason the 20th century was the way it was. In what way can the unacceptable become so acceptable so swiftly?)
So many people from ‘90s culture now passing away. RIP.
Expediency.
Sickening. Nothing has been learnt from history it seems.
And although there are 10 times as many Christians as Muslims, most are CofE and don't feel strongly about it.
https://twitter.com/robertshrimsley/status/1102989301762215936
One problem is that it implies a depth and quality in its planning that one does not easily associate with the Party. There is however a simpler and I think more convincing explanation. The Leadership perceives Israel as a client-state of the USA which it regards as principally responsible for widespread oppression and injustice around the world. Support for the Palestinians and hostility to Israel signals the Leadership's posture to its supporters. It cannot reposition without disappointing its backers and appearing weak and inconsistent.
The anti-Israel theme is thus part of a wider world view in which the Imperialist USA is the main villain, and by implication the former communist Republics are the good guys. Any spill-over into anti-semitism may be formally disavowed, but tolerated in practice, as long as it doesn't become too much of an embarrassment.
Does that conclusion work for you, Alastair?
Powell, however...
This process is too slow.
Prison time should equal kicked out of Parliament - simple as that. The one year limit is arbitrary and too generous to criminal MPs.
I agree with recall petitions as a principle - but not for removing MPs under these circumstances. And certainly not with this extended time period (but ludicrously limited opening hours - 9 to 5, Monday to Friday excludes too many potential signatories.)
Use them for other egregious behaviour - but any MP who serves prison time should be out. Immediately. End of.
*All us non Muslims.
Suppose you had written;
"Adolf's been leader, and therefore prospective PM, for a long time. Of course he's normalised. Even he has changed to some degree since he became leader. A bit harder, more obviously one of the same old same old in style."
Completely unfair - I'll reiterate. Nonetheless this is the normalisation process at work. It has long baffled me how the German people managed to get themselves into the pickle they did. Something of what's happening with Corbyn illuminates that.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-moves-even-closer-announcing-presidential-bid-as-bloomberg-exits-the-field
All Labour roads lead to Dundee this weekend as the party gathers for its spring conference. Beyond this latest gathering of the remaining faithful, however, the problem for Labour is it is going nowhere. The publication of its latest accounts confirmed as much.
The party made a loss in 2018. More pertinently, it attracted just £35,555 in donations last year. A party that is losing membership and losing money is a party that has lost touch with its own voters, never mind its failure to engage with people who are not already members of the Labour tribe.'
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Said pamphlet called for arming of a peoples militia to counteract the power available to the establishment.
I think there is a term for that......
Anyway - said person said they had endorsed it but not read it........
of course - not like we have heard that before right?
They aren't just stupid they are dangerous.
#Aftertiming.
The latest national Democratic nomination poll of likely Democratic primary/caucus voters has it Biden 31%, Sanders 27%, Harris 11%, Warren 7%, O'Rourke 6%, Booker 4%
https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Political-Intelligence-3.5.19.pdf
The latest general election polling has Biden leading Trump 51% to 40%, Warren leads Trump 45% to 42%, Sanders leads Trump 50% to 41%, Harris leads Trump 45% to 43% and Booker leads Trump 46% to 43%
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/20190301_US.pdf
Personally I would extend that to a permanent ban on standing for elected office (at any level) - and I would also remove Peers from the Lords for prison terms.
Law breakers don't get to stay as law makers.
We will never full clean up politics - I accept that. But I find it intolerable that this convicted liar gets to vote in the Commons.
Mind you in this instance it was really Lucy Powell that was of concern. Chummying up with (to my mind) anybody as suits her.
My preferred ban is for anyone who commits a crime that leads to them getting prison time whilst in office. I appreciate that it could be seen as a harsh additional punishment - but it is necessary to draw a line as to a need to hold MPs and Peers to a higher standard.
Left-wing antisemitism good. Right-win antisemitism bad.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/06/ilhan-omar-weaponisation-of-anti-semitism
Or not.
But if our MPs won't vote to leave, that's where we'll find ourselves so we'll need to suck it up.
They have already voted to leave. It will happen automatically without further votes.
It's only if our MPs actively vote to Remain before the 29th March that that changes. And they are as unable to do that as to do anything else.
After promising these votes to avoid the Cooper Letwin amendment going through to renege on that will likely cause a host of resignations and would cause a huge backlash .
In 1999-2000 Corp Tax Receipts were 33,054. Inflation adjusted that would be around 55,461m