The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
' Thirteen people were found "absolutely packed" into a three-bedroom house in Newcastle, the BBC has found.
The bath had been ripped out and a bunk bed put in its place, officials found when they visited the property in Ponteland Road, Blakelaw, in January.
None of the people, who were restaurant workers, knew each other, Paula Davis from Newcastle City Council said.
The council is now pursuing the private landlord for operating a house in multiple occupation without a licence.
The Home Office said of the 13, three women and seven men aged between 20 and 51 were arrested for either overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. '
Is that a spoof ? There are so many good things in the article.
"We’re a country where ethnicity is celebrated by many; hummus is as much a part of sentiments as pickled herring." That is pure Meeks.
I know there are lots of spoof Remainers posting on pb.com, trying to make the Remain cause look ridiculous. But, the Brexit impact on Fine Dining is just such an jaw-droppingly brilliant bit of satire.
Labour are all over the place and Corbyn clearly will not back TM deal with a referendum
The impression I get is that Corbyn and his cabal are in a blind panic and attempting large doses of fudge to prevent further defections but the underlining issues of anti semitism and hard left views still remain with a substantial number of his mps.
He runs the risk of upsetting most everyone in his party, adding to the probability of a split in the next few months...
With the glaring difference of anti semitism, that's not a million miles from where May is.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Indeed. They are every bit as extreme as the ERG, just the other side of the coin.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Nevertheless its the outcome that does the least damage, in the round. There are only bad options from here.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
It won’t be the same regardless of what happens . But a second vote isn’t happening so I wouldn’t lose sleep over it. I say this as an arch Remainer . I just want an orderly exit at this stage and a transition period .
Is that a spoof ? There are so many good things in the article.
"We’re a country where ethnicity is celebrated by many; hummus is as much a part of sentiments as pickled herring." That is pure Meeks.
I know there are lots of spoof Remainers posting on pb.com, trying to make the Remain cause look ridiculous. But, the Brexit impact on Fine Dining is just such an jaw-droppingly brilliant bit of satire.
I invite you to find a post where I have said anything like that. I'll give you a reasonable time period to do so. Say, six months or so.
Apols if posted already; the Times YouGov it published last night (fw 22/3 Feb):
Con 41% Lab 30% LDem 10% Oth 19%
And with TIG:
Con 36% Lab 23% TIG 18% LDem 6% Oth 17%
(TIG taking 5% from Tory, 7% from Labour, 4% from LDs and 2% from others)
The first poll doesn’t make sense 19% for others . Unless UKIP have gone up a huge amount then that seems far too high.
YouGov is asking both for UKIP and Farage's new party, and the Other breakdown is:
SNP/PC = 5% UKIP = 5% Green = 4% Brexit = 2% (splitters!) WEP=0% Other=3% (which is high given its a GB poll, but people don't need to specify, just choose "some other party" - possibly people wanting TIG in the Q that doesn't ask about TIG, as the with-TIG others drops by 2%?)
Is that a spoof ? There are so many good things in the article.
"We’re a country where ethnicity is celebrated by many; hummus is as much a part of sentiments as pickled herring." That is pure Meeks.
I know there are lots of spoof Remainers posting on pb.com, trying to make the Remain cause look ridiculous. But, the Brexit impact on Fine Dining is just such an jaw-droppingly brilliant bit of satire.
I invite you to find a post where I have said anything like that. I'll give you a reasonable time period to do so. Say, six months or so.
True, it is perhaps a little more grandiloquent than the fatuous and clunking six-former prose of "Londoners are made, not born".
But, you must bear in mind that I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
I was supposing that, if the occasion demanded, you could raise your game as regards prose style and imagery.
Apols if posted already; the Times YouGov it published last night (fw 22/3 Feb):
Con 41% Lab 30% LDem 10% Oth 19%
And with TIG:
Con 36% Lab 23% TIG 18% LDem 6% Oth 17%
(TIG taking 5% from Tory, 7% from Labour, 4% from LDs and 2% from others)
The first poll doesn’t make sense 19% for others . Unless UKIP have gone up a huge amount then that seems far too high.
YouGov is asking both for UKIP and Farage's new party, and the Other breakdown is:
SNP/PC = 5% UKIP = 5% Green = 4% Brexit = 2% (splitters!) WEP=0% Other=3% (which is high given its a GB poll, but people don't need to specify, just choose "some other party" - possibly people wanting TIG in the Q that doesn't ask about TIG, as the with-TIG others drops by 2%?)
I'd think that the 3% is the level of spontaneous write-in support for the Independents when they're not prompted as a party option. When they are, Tories drop 5, Labour drops 7 and LibDems drop 4.
All this excitable talk about another referendum ignores one crucial fact. Will the EU agree to an extension and won’t this depend on what the question is?
Tusk seemed very open today in his speech to a ‘faffing about’ extension. I heard a figure of 21 months being bandied about, can’t remember source. Smart play by the EU, as they know support for Brexit is only going one way - down. Every month that goes by, it gets weaker.
Support for Brexit degrades at approximately 1 point every 4 months due to demographic changes.
Leaving aside the distastefulness of that for the moment, is that actually true?
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Nevertheless its the outcome that does the least damage, in the round.
' Thirteen people were found "absolutely packed" into a three-bedroom house in Newcastle, the BBC has found.
The bath had been ripped out and a bunk bed put in its place, officials found when they visited the property in Ponteland Road, Blakelaw, in January.
None of the people, who were restaurant workers, knew each other, Paula Davis from Newcastle City Council said.
The council is now pursuing the private landlord for operating a house in multiple occupation without a licence.
The Home Office said of the 13, three women and seven men aged between 20 and 51 were arrested for either overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. '
Is that a spoof ? There are so many good things in the article.
"We’re a country where ethnicity is celebrated by many; hummus is as much a part of sentiments as pickled herring." That is pure Meeks.
I know there are lots of spoof Remainers posting on pb.com, trying to make the Remain cause look ridiculous. But, the Brexit impact on Fine Dining is just such an jaw-droppingly brilliant bit of satire.
I invite you to find a post where I have said anything like that. I'll give you a reasonable time period to do so. Say, six months or so.
True, it is perhaps a little more grandiloquent than the fatuous and clunking six-former prose of "Londoners are made, not born".
But, you must bear in mind that I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
I was supposing that, if the occasion demanded, you could raise your game as regards prose style and imagery.
Since you're the cretin who thinks that working class people don't have childcare, I suppose that's as close as I can expect you to get to an apology for completely traducing me.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Indeed. They are every bit as extreme as the ERG, just the other side of the coin.
Except they don't have democratic legitimacy on their side. Just Mwaaaaaaaah - Don't Want It!
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Nevertheless its the outcome that does the least damage, in the round. There are only bad options from here.
Least damage to what? It is probably the worst outcome in terms of the signal it sends to large parts of the electorate.
Is that a spoof ? There are so many good things in the article.
"We’re a country where ethnicity is celebrated by many; hummus is as much a part of sentiments as pickled herring." That is pure Meeks.
I know there are lots of spoof Remainers posting on pb.com, trying to make the Remain cause look ridiculous. But, the Brexit impact on Fine Dining is just such an jaw-droppingly brilliant bit of satire.
I invite you to find a post where I have said anything like that. I'll give you a reasonable time period to do so. Say, six months or so.
True, it is perhaps a little more grandiloquent than the fatuous and clunking six-former prose of "Londoners are made, not born".
But, you must bear in mind that I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
I was supposing that, if the occasion demanded, you could raise your game as regards prose style and imagery.
Since you're the cretin who thinks that working class people don't have childcare, I suppose that's as close as I can expect you to get to an apology for completely traducing me.
There is a difference between nannies and the nurseries that the rest of us use.
Remember, one prominent Remainer on this board has been boasting, in Rees-Mogg fashion, of his nanny.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
' Thirteen people were found "absolutely packed" into a three-bedroom house in Newcastle, the BBC has found.
The bath had been ripped out and a bunk bed put in its place, officials found when they visited the property in Ponteland Road, Blakelaw, in January.
None of the people, who were restaurant workers, knew each other, Paula Davis from Newcastle City Council said.
The council is now pursuing the private landlord for operating a house in multiple occupation without a licence.
The Home Office said of the 13, three women and seven men aged between 20 and 51 were arrested for either overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. '
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
Its been a complete disaster for our political class but not for the people of the country.
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
' Thirteen people were found "absolutely packed" into a three-bedroom house in Newcastle, the BBC has found.
The bath had been ripped out and a bunk bed put in its place, officials found when they visited the property in Ponteland Road, Blakelaw, in January.
None of the people, who were restaurant workers, knew each other, Paula Davis from Newcastle City Council said.
The council is now pursuing the private landlord for operating a house in multiple occupation without a licence.
The Home Office said of the 13, three women and seven men aged between 20 and 51 were arrested for either overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. '
Pharmaceuticals have always been an interesting commodity. The cost is in years of research and development, the actual production costs are a pittance, once the QA is assured. You're basically charging for the preceding scientific endeavour.
Which means margins need to be high and it's why me-toos are popular. But it all depends on post-registration sales. We're not talking of bulky, low-value goods here. Could someone talk me through the mechanics of drugs falling from the sky and disappearing the moment we leave the EU. I spent half my career in drug research and development but never worried too much about marketing.
We're a big and a vital market, so you can be sure the companies won't be caught by surprise.
Big problem is the way the market works. In effect. there's only one purchaser for drugs, the NHS. And, as far as community pharmacy is concerned (hospitals are smaller, and the system management is different) the DoH tells pharmacists what it's prepared to pay for any given medication. The list is revised monthly. And there are four really, really big players, who also own the wholesalers and quite a few small ones. Medicines come in two categories, ethicals and generics. Ethicals are those still in patent, where the manufacturer agrees the price with the NHS...... we see an a public argument over those every so often. Generics are those out of patent where anyone whose factory can achieve the requisite standards can make them, and this can be anywhere in the world. The problems come when the NHS announces it will pay £x for whatever, and nowhere in the world can anyone be found to make and sell it for that price, or, of course, only one or two of the manufacturers. Consequently currency values affect the situation.
There is also the category of biologicals, where making 'generics' is considerably more problematic than just copying a formula. Demonstrating equivalence can require further clinical trials - and actual production costs are very far from 'a pittance'.
Vaccines more or less fall into this category, but afaik the UK is pretty strong in vaccine manufacturing.
Yes, the only shortage of vaccines (etc) that I ever came across was, IIRC, Tuberculin, and I was involved with some very substantial campaigns. Tuberculin was interesting in that we were supposed to stop testing and buy no more' because 'there wasn't any TB in UK'. From what I'd seen in my area that wasn't the case so we held on to our stock until there was suddenly a panic; anyone got any.... we need to test in......!
Here's a suggestion for the re-run referendum question..
Should we (a) Accept we're a supplicant nation and bend the knee to our betters in the EU before slinking away to lick our wounds like the whipped curs we are, OR
(b) Strike out to forge a confident nation once again, becoming a beacon of light for the new Europe.
That sounds fair enough.
Option (b) requires a Remain win
LOL. There really are some deluded Eurofanatics around this morning.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
Its been a complete disaster for our political class but not for the people of the country.
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
I refer you to the Sky Data poll I noted above which finds that Britain sees itself as divided, worried and intolerant. It also finds that Britain sees itself as racist and Islamophobic. That is no doubt not all Brexit, but you have to be a real cheerleader for the concept to avoid the conclusion that it's played a big part in that.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
Its been a complete disaster for our political class but not for the people of the country.
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
It might not have been a compete disaster for 'the people' but it can't be described as a success either!
' Thirteen people were found "absolutely packed" into a three-bedroom house in Newcastle, the BBC has found.
The bath had been ripped out and a bunk bed put in its place, officials found when they visited the property in Ponteland Road, Blakelaw, in January.
None of the people, who were restaurant workers, knew each other, Paula Davis from Newcastle City Council said.
The council is now pursuing the private landlord for operating a house in multiple occupation without a licence.
The Home Office said of the 13, three women and seven men aged between 20 and 51 were arrested for either overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. '
Fairest option Labour Brexit v Tory Brexit v Remain .
Top two in a run off .
There is only TM deal or remain. Labour Brexit has not been negotiated with or without the unicorns
Thornberry said last night (i think; I'm not sure of much anymore) that if their version got rejected on Wednesday then it was May's Deal Vs Remain. With (presumably) Labour leading the Remain campaign.
This is all a smokescreen. Labour cannot afford a referendum; they just desperately need about half their supporters to believe they're not against one.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
Its been a complete disaster for our political class but not for the people of the country.
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
I refer you to the Sky Data poll I noted above which finds that Britain sees itself as divided, worried and intolerant. It also finds that Britain sees itself as racist and Islamophobic. That is no doubt not all Brexit, but you have to be a real cheerleader for the concept to avoid the conclusion that it's played a big part in that.
Is that better or worse than us thinking we're not racist or Islamophobic when we actually are?
I suppose the worst of all worlds is that minorities are the only ones who think we're an intolerant country.
Fairest option Labour Brexit v Tory Brexit v Remain .
Top two in a run off .
Say Labour's wins. Then what - we start the negotaiting process over? And when the EU says "Labour's deal" is May's Deal? The one that has been rejected by the voters.....
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
Its been a complete disaster for our political class but not for the people of the country.
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
I refer you to the Sky Data poll I noted above which finds that Britain sees itself as divided, worried and intolerant. It also finds that Britain sees itself as racist and Islamophobic. That is no doubt not all Brexit, but you have to be a real cheerleader for the concept to avoid the conclusion that it's played a big part in that.
And how would that change without Brexit ?
And how does it compare to other Western countries ?
As you know I've been saying we've become a 'take it from them and give it to me' society from long before the Referendum.
Western societies are splintering and atomising and getting angrier with each other and its a process which is going to continue because there aren't the resources to meet all the promises which have been made.
' Thirteen people were found "absolutely packed" into a three-bedroom house in Newcastle, the BBC has found.
The bath had been ripped out and a bunk bed put in its place, officials found when they visited the property in Ponteland Road, Blakelaw, in January.
None of the people, who were restaurant workers, knew each other, Paula Davis from Newcastle City Council said.
The council is now pursuing the private landlord for operating a house in multiple occupation without a licence.
The Home Office said of the 13, three women and seven men aged between 20 and 51 were arrested for either overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. '
Anyway, as usual the attention is being focussed in entirely the wrong place at present.
The group that needs close scrutiny is the group of unhappy Conservative Remain-voting MPs who reluctantly backed Theresa May's deal. Are they going to show any interest in a fresh referendum?
I have the grim feeling that - with people now convinced that No Deal isn't going to happen - we're going to end up with the Commons still deadlocked next month and with the EU agreeing to an extension that will be too short to do anything other than leave us in the same predicament in May (the month, not the power vacuum).
If we're still deadlocked in May, I really don't think we can count on another extension.
Fairest option Labour Brexit v Tory Brexit v Remain .
Top two in a run off .
There is only TM deal or remain. Labour Brexit has not been negotiated with or without the unicorns
Thornberry said last night (i think; I'm not sure of much anymore) that if their version got rejected on Wednesday then it was May's Deal Vs Remain. With (presumably) Labour leading the Remain campaign.
This is all a smokescreen. Labour cannot afford a referendum; they just desperately need about half their supporters to believe they're not against one.
Nope, it is estimated, I think, that the vast majority of Lab supporters now support remain. They should make a calculation that the remainder will probably never vote Tory under any circumstances. It is a pretty standard political calculation; upset a small minority of your support base (eg gay marriage for Cameron) and hope they forgive you because most won't vote for the other lot.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
Its been a complete disaster for our political class but not for the people of the country.
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
It might not have been a compete disaster for 'the people' but it can't be described as a success either!
The modern world doesn't do success.
The best we can hope for is 'not as bad as we expected' and 'almost as good as we were promised'.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
Its been a complete disaster for our political class but not for the people of the country.
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
Our "political class" are just a reflection of who we are, and not all of them are at all bad. You get the politicians you deserve. If you want to believe they are all terrible people that is what you will see.
Here's a suggestion for the re-run referendum question..
Should we (a) Accept we're a supplicant nation and bend the knee to our betters in the EU before slinking away to lick our wounds like the whipped curs we are, OR
(b) Strike out to forge a confident nation once again, becoming a beacon of light for the new Europe.
That sounds fair enough.
Option (b) requires a Remain win
LOL. There really are some deluded Eurofanatics around this morning.
Oh Oscar, once again you cruelly toy with and torture me with your devastating wit. I don't know where I find the will to go on after such a devastating deconstruction of my position but, somehow, I must.
' Thirteen people were found "absolutely packed" into a three-bedroom house in Newcastle, the BBC has found.
The bath had been ripped out and a bunk bed put in its place, officials found when they visited the property in Ponteland Road, Blakelaw, in January.
None of the people, who were restaurant workers, knew each other, Paula Davis from Newcastle City Council said.
The council is now pursuing the private landlord for operating a house in multiple occupation without a licence.
The Home Office said of the 13, three women and seven men aged between 20 and 51 were arrested for either overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. '
Fairest option Labour Brexit v Tory Brexit v Remain .
Top two in a run off .
There is only TM deal or remain. Labour Brexit has not been negotiated with or without the unicorns
Thornberry said last night (i think; I'm not sure of much anymore) that if their version got rejected on Wednesday then it was May's Deal Vs Remain. With (presumably) Labour leading the Remain campaign.
This is all a smokescreen. Labour cannot afford a referendum; they just desperately need about half their supporters to believe they're not against one.
A referendum is cheaper than a general election especially when there is a not Corbyn option now in the process of being created.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
Its been a complete disaster for our political class but not for the people of the country.
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
It might not have been a compete disaster for 'the people' but it can't be described as a success either!
I can't see how it can be described as any kind of success for "the people", who ever they are. It will be "the people" who will ultimately suffer form this totally pointless exercise in national self-harm.
' Thirteen people were found "absolutely packed" into a three-bedroom house in Newcastle, the BBC has found.
The bath had been ripped out and a bunk bed put in its place, officials found when they visited the property in Ponteland Road, Blakelaw, in January.
None of the people, who were restaurant workers, knew each other, Paula Davis from Newcastle City Council said.
The council is now pursuing the private landlord for operating a house in multiple occupation without a licence.
The Home Office said of the 13, three women and seven men aged between 20 and 51 were arrested for either overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. '
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
Its been a complete disaster for our political class but not for the people of the country.
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
It might not have been a compete disaster for 'the people' but it can't be described as a success either!
The modern world doesn't do success.
The best we can hope for is 'not as bad as we expected' and 'almost as good as we were promised'.
Wasn't it ever thus. Possibly the Glorious Revolution might be so described, I suppose. Where's Ydoethur when he's needed!
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what the transition period is for. In a sane world the EU would have agreed to discuss the trade arrangements in parallel with the WA so we would have done this but they refused and, bizarrely, we acceded rather than telling them to do one.
What is urgently needed now, and has been since at least December (which year? Ed.) is a reduction in uncertainty. That means we leave with the WA and transition period as soon as possible. That probably isn't the original date because this government's supreme incompetence includes not passing the relevant legislation but as soon as possible thereafter.
Of course it is becoming increasingly likely we will not leave at all but I really dread to think what will happen to this country in that scenario.
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
Its been a complete disaster for our political class but not for the people of the country.
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
Our "political class" are just a reflection of who we are, and not all of them are at all bad. You get the politicians you deserve. If you want to believe they are all terrible people that is what you will see.
I used to believe that and have never had a high opinion of our politicians.
But they've regularly doing worse than I ever expected.
And it seems to be an increasingly common viewpoint.
Perhaps its a sign of growing old and politicians, like pop music, appeared better 10/20/30 years ago
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
Its been a complete disaster for our political class but not for the people of the country.
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
Our "political class" are just a reflection of who we are, and not all of them are at all bad. You get the politicians you deserve. If you want to believe they are all terrible people that is what you will see.
I used to believe that and have never had a high opinion of our politicians.
But they've regularly doing worse than I ever expected.
And it seems to be an increasingly common viewpoint.
Perhaps its a sign of growing old and politicians, like pop music, appeared better 10/20/30 years ago
Being a British politician at national level today is less consequential and worse in terms of opportunity cost than at any time in the last 300 years. It’s no surprise that the calibre of MPs and ministers is in decline.
Here's a suggestion for the re-run referendum question..
Should we (a) Accept we're a supplicant nation and bend the knee to our betters in the EU before slinking away to lick our wounds like the whipped curs we are, OR
(b) Strike out to forge a confident nation once again, becoming a beacon of light for the new Europe.
That sounds fair enough.
Option (b) requires a Remain win
LOL. There really are some deluded Eurofanatics around this morning.
Oh Oscar, once again you cruelly toy with and torture me with your devastating wit. I don't know where I find the will to go on after such a devastating deconstruction of my position but, somehow, I must.
You could just try not posting and that would make us all feel better.
Why doesn't she favour Labour's proposed Brexit deal being on the ballot paper too? Its just May's deal but with added Turkey (i.e. in a customs union with the EU but not in the single market) isn't it.
Because if May accepts Labour's deal then Labour back Brexit.
' Thirteen people were found "absolutely packed" into a three-bedroom house in Newcastle, the BBC has found.
The bath had been ripped out and a bunk bed put in its place, officials found when they visited the property in Ponteland Road, Blakelaw, in January.
None of the people, who were restaurant workers, knew each other, Paula Davis from Newcastle City Council said.
The council is now pursuing the private landlord for operating a house in multiple occupation without a licence.
The Home Office said of the 13, three women and seven men aged between 20 and 51 were arrested for either overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. '
Here's a suggestion for the re-run referendum question..
Should we (a) Accept we're a supplicant nation and bend the knee to our betters in the EU before slinking away to lick our wounds like the whipped curs we are, OR
(b) Strike out to forge a confident nation once again, becoming a beacon of light for the new Europe.
That sounds fair enough.
Option (b) requires a Remain win
LOL. There really are some deluded Eurofanatics around this morning.
Oh Oscar, once again you cruelly toy with and torture me with your devastating wit. I don't know where I find the will to go on after such a devastating deconstruction of my position but, somehow, I must.
You could just try not posting and that would make us all feel better.
Wow. You just keep getting better and better. I look forward to your Netflix special.
' Thirteen people were found "absolutely packed" into a three-bedroom house in Newcastle, the BBC has found.
The bath had been ripped out and a bunk bed put in its place, officials found when they visited the property in Ponteland Road, Blakelaw, in January.
None of the people, who were restaurant workers, knew each other, Paula Davis from Newcastle City Council said.
The council is now pursuing the private landlord for operating a house in multiple occupation without a licence.
The Home Office said of the 13, three women and seven men aged between 20 and 51 were arrested for either overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. '
Here's a suggestion for the re-run referendum question..
Should we (a) Accept we're a supplicant nation and bend the knee to our betters in the EU before slinking away to lick our wounds like the whipped curs we are, OR
(b) Strike out to forge a confident nation once again, becoming a beacon of light for the new Europe.
That sounds fair enough.
Option (b) requires a Remain win
LOL. There really are some deluded Eurofanatics around this morning.
Oh Oscar, once again you cruelly toy with and torture me with your devastating wit. I don't know where I find the will to go on after such a devastating deconstruction of my position but, somehow, I must.
You could just try not posting and that would make us all feel better.
Wow. You just keep getting better and better. I look forward to your Netflix special.
The more I think about it the more I'm up for the Brussels idea of a 21 month extension to A50 as long as the EU specifically uses that extension to hammer out the long term trading arrangement rather than discuss the backstop for another year and nine months.
No, that is what
I doubt that much will happen if we Remain. Some people will be angry, others will be delighted, life will go on - much as it will go on in any of the scenarios that will play out from here. There are no good options at this stage. Just less bad ones. The least bad one is a symbolic departure that keeps us in the SM and CU, but outside the political project. It’s basically the Starmer plan. But that is the least likely to happen, even though most MPs would back it.
I think that all those remainers who dream that this is just going to magically disappear when they get their way are making the ERG look like cold, hard headed realists. This country will never be the same again.
Brexit is a complete disaster all round. There are only bad options from here.
Its been a complete disaster for our political class but not for the people of the country.
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
Our "political class" are just a reflection of who we are, and not all of them are at all bad. You get the politicians you deserve. If you want to believe they are all terrible people that is what you will see.
I used to believe that and have never had a high opinion of our politicians.
But they've regularly doing worse than I ever expected.
And it seems to be an increasingly common viewpoint.
Perhaps its a sign of growing old and politicians, like pop music, appeared better 10/20/30 years ago
Being a British politician at national level today is less consequential and worse in terms of opportunity cost than at any time in the last 300 years. It’s no surprise that the calibre of MPs and ministers is in decline.
That's about right.
And the prevalence of social media is encouraging the loud mouthed ** posturing.
** What's the modern equivalent of loud mouthed ? Loud typing ?
Is that a spoof ? There are so many good thingstire.
I invite you to find a post where I have said anything like that. I'll give you a reasonable time period to do so. Say, six months or so.
True, it is perhaps a little more grandiloquent than the fatuous and clunking six-former prose of "Londoners are made, not born".
But, you must bear in mind that I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
I was supposing that, if the occasion demanded, you could raise your game as regards prose style and imagery.
Since you're the cretin who thinks that working class people don't have childcare, I suppose that's as close as I can expect you to get to an apology for completely traducing me.
There is a difference between nannies and the nurseries that the rest of us use.
Remember, one prominent Remainer on this board has been boasting, in Rees-Mogg fashion, of his nanny.
Oh dear, he’s at it again. I’m honoured to be called a “prominent Remainer”, but not sure I deserve it.
I assure you I have about 1 squillionth of the wealth of Rees-Mogg. But yes, I employ a nanny, like many people do, because my wife and I both work and I have small children. That’s not a boast, just a fact.
I assure you my nanny (who is British) does not sleep 13 to a room. Not only that, I pay - as I am liable to by law - her National Insurance, her pension contributions, and her holidays.
Yes I’ll be first up the against the wall when the Marxist-Brexitist-Eisteddfod Revolution comes, but given your general misanthropic outlook so will most of the rest of the country!
Here's a suggestion for the re-run referendum question..
Should we (a) Accept we're a supplicant nation and bend the knee to our betters in the EU before slinking away to lick our wounds like the whipped curs we are, OR
(b) Strike out to forge a confident nation once again, becoming a beacon of light for the new Europe.
That sounds fair enough.
"Striking out to forge a confident nation once again" would require setting realistic goals, planning to achieve them, assigning resources to those plans, executing those plans until they succeed, then on to the next plan. It would not require believing in fantasies, waiting for them to come true without effort, then when they fail thrashing around on the floor blaming Remoaners and the EU for everything ever.
' Thirteen people were found "absolutely packed" into a three-bedroom house in Newcastle, the BBC has found.
The bath had been ripped out and a bunk bed put in its place, officials found when they visited the property in Ponteland Road, Blakelaw, in January.
None of the people, who were restaurant workers, knew each other, Paula Davis from Newcastle City Council said.
The council is now pursuing the private landlord for operating a house in multiple occupation without a licence.
The Home Office said of the 13, three women and seven men aged between 20 and 51 were arrested for either overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. '
I have pointed out that modern middle class life is dependent upon exploitation of an immigrant serf class.
But we prefer it if they are kept out of sight.
Horribly, I agree with you. I occasionally get a lodger in and there are rules, and for HMOs (which mine is not) the rules are quite tight. IIRC the minimum floorspace is a guideline not a rule, but things like unimpeded access to an adequate escape route are not. That newcastle house was a disgrace.
' Thirteen people were found "absolutely packed" into a three-bedroom house in Newcastle, the BBC has found.
The bath had been ripped out and a bunk bed put in its place, officials found when they visited the property in Ponteland Road, Blakelaw, in January.
None of the people, who were restaurant workers, knew each other, Paula Davis from Newcastle City Council said.
The council is now pursuing the private landlord for operating a house in multiple occupation without a licence.
The Home Office said of the 13, three women and seven men aged between 20 and 51 were arrested for either overstaying their visas or on suspicion of obtaining leave to enter the UK by deception. '
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https://twitter.com/GOsborneGenius/status/1100297130323951617
"We’re a country where ethnicity is celebrated by many; hummus is as much a part of sentiments as pickled herring." That is pure Meeks.
I know there are lots of spoof Remainers posting on pb.com, trying to make the Remain cause look ridiculous. But, the Brexit impact on Fine Dining is just such an jaw-droppingly brilliant bit of satire.
https://twitter.com/SkyData/status/1100291401647046656
I suppose hard-working and kind is something.
SNP/PC = 5%
UKIP = 5%
Green = 4%
Brexit = 2% (splitters!)
WEP=0%
Other=3% (which is high given its a GB poll, but people don't need to specify, just choose "some other party" - possibly people wanting TIG in the Q that doesn't ask about TIG, as the with-TIG others drops by 2%?)
But, you must bear in mind that I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
I was supposing that, if the occasion demanded, you could raise your game as regards prose style and imagery.
Very New Labour.
That's clearly not what the leader/spokesman wants?
Have I got this right?
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1100316273311969280
Remember, one prominent Remainer on this board has been boasting, in Rees-Mogg fashion, of his nanny.
I assume.
' Aldi is claiming victory in the race to stock the first British-grown strawberries of 2019.
Grown under glass at Springfield Nursery near Cowbridge in south Wales, the first hand-picked punnets came in earlier than last year on 15 February. '
http://www.fruitnet.com/fpj/article/177895/aldi-first-with-new-season-uk-strawberries
Lets remember what Vince Cable told us in 2017:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGggnF0WAc
Top two in a run off .
https: //twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1100317508169621504
The labour proposal is a mirage
And its no bad thing for the our political class to be exposed for what they are.
Tuberculin was interesting in that we were supposed to stop testing and buy no more' because 'there wasn't any TB in UK'. From what I'd seen in my area that wasn't the case so we held on to our stock until there was suddenly a panic; anyone got any.... we need to test in......!
Still at least you haven't reached Roger's level of defending it.
This is all a smokescreen. Labour cannot afford a referendum; they just desperately need about half their supporters to believe they're not against one.
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1100318078364237825
I suppose the worst of all worlds is that minorities are the only ones who think we're an intolerant country.
And how does it compare to other Western countries ?
As you know I've been saying we've become a 'take it from them and give it to me' society from long before the Referendum.
Western societies are splintering and atomising and getting angrier with each other and its a process which is going to continue because there aren't the resources to meet all the promises which have been made.
The group that needs close scrutiny is the group of unhappy Conservative Remain-voting MPs who reluctantly backed Theresa May's deal. Are they going to show any interest in a fresh referendum?
If we're still deadlocked in May, I really don't think we can count on another extension.
The best we can hope for is 'not as bad as we expected' and 'almost as good as we were promised'.
What a time to have one of our worst Prime minister's in charge.
But what I will say is that the exploitation of an immigrant serf class benefits people more the higher they are on the socio-economic scale.
Likewise the drawbacks of an exploited immigrant serf class tend to be suffered more the lower down you are on the socio-economic scale.
Its not upper middle class suburbia where the 'thirteen in a house, bath converted into a bunk bed' tends to be found.
But they've regularly doing worse than I ever expected.
And it seems to be an increasingly common viewpoint.
Perhaps its a sign of growing old and politicians, like pop music, appeared better 10/20/30 years ago
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Both he and Biden beat Trump by the same 10-point margin - which is not enormous, considering that Hilary had a 3-point lead too.
But thanks for showing you have no concerns about exploited workers.
As long as its out of your sight and out of your mind.
And the prevalence of social media is encouraging the loud mouthed ** posturing.
** What's the modern equivalent of loud mouthed ? Loud typing ?
I’m honoured to be called a “prominent Remainer”, but not sure I deserve it.
I assure you I have about 1 squillionth of the wealth of Rees-Mogg. But yes, I employ a nanny, like many people do, because my wife and I both work and I have small children. That’s not a boast, just a fact.
I assure you my nanny (who is British) does not sleep 13 to a room. Not only that, I pay - as I am liable to by law - her National Insurance, her pension contributions, and her holidays.
Yes I’ll be first up the against the wall when the Marxist-Brexitist-Eisteddfod Revolution comes, but given your general misanthropic outlook so will most of the rest of the country!
Um.
Ah, my coat....