All this excitable talk about another referendum ignores one crucial fact. Will the EU agree to an extension and won’t this depend on what the question is?
Tusk seemed very open today in his speech to a ‘faffing about’ extension. I heard a figure of 21 months being bandied about, can’t remember source. Smart play by the EU, as they know support for Brexit is only going one way - down. Every month that goes by, it gets weaker.
Support for Brexit degrades at approximately 1 point every 4 months due to demographic changes.
Leaving aside the distastefulness of that for the moment, is that actually true?
How many Farage party candidates will we see in local and bye elections now ? Plus of course in this Mays euro elections ..
Who cares? Farage and his moronic nationalist brethren are perennial losers. They might attract some gammonite protest votes from time to time, but one would be an idiot to fear them.
I believe you are fundamentally incorrect. Unfortunately. If Dom Cummings gets involved on a #TheyStoleYourVote #TheyDidntListen #TellThemAgain drive then God help us all.
Amazed that Con vote is holding up - a new Brexit party could make Merry hell right now.
Why are you amazed? In 1983 the Tory share only dropped by 1.5% despite the surge for the SDP/Alliance to 26% even though the party was hoping to take almost as many votes from the Conservatives as Labour when they launched.
They took quite a lot of votes from the Conservatives, it's just some people switched directly from Labour to Tory as well.
BBC news confirming confusion over Corbyn's position which seems he will only back his deal (which is not available) and then put it to a referendum
He seems to be tying himself in knots.
Stephen Kinnock has just expressed dismay at the thought of a referendum and the BBC said that while he has pleased the remain part of his party, he has not pleased his leaving mps
Incredible decision by Corbyn tonight, especially in light of the YouGov Welsh poll earlier today, no wonder Stephen Kinnock is dismayed.
Kinnock is fine with a #peoplesvote, but putting on a show for his constituents, perhaps it is Corbyn removing his nuts from the fire which really appals.
He was not fine on the news tonight
I understand why you are panicking Big G. You are a one nation Tory. You believe and you care.
this suspicion the age of one nation Tory, just to the right economically culturally to the left embracing social liberalism is coming to an end. Why? Listening to the Conservative Party Education Minister on R4 this morning, it seems wrong the Conservatives running rough shod over parents concerns on their primary child’s teaching on sexual and religious matters. Such a thing as Conservatism so progressive, utilitarian and social liberal has surely had its day, it is due time for a reformation, values renewal.
Farage calls it realignment. And he’s right. His Brexit party will destroy the Tories if brexit doesn’t happen.
What are you on about. I do not panic and never have
If TM rules out no deal as is being reported , the chances of breakaway mps from erg defecting to the new brexit party must be high
I hope so. The parties have tried so hard to reconcile their various factions with one another, but it would probably be liberating for some of those ERG to leave, and force the rest to truly establish at least a boundary line of what it means to be in the party.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
My favourite was Left Unity. Which IIRC had a split of its own.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Corbyn's genius is to decide he's in favour of a referendum a few days after he loses a group of MPs who left mainly because he wasn't in favour of holding another referendum.
Corbyn is just trolling the PLP now, could we see some further resignations of the Lab whip as pro Brexit Lab MPs join Frank Field and Ian Austin as Independents? With Tom Watson now trying to form a Labour equivalent of an ERG type party within the Labour party, the Commons groupings as we know it are splintering outside and inside party lines.
BBC news confirming confusion over Corbyn's position which seems he will only back his deal (which is not available) and then put it to a referendum
He seems to be tying himself in knots.
Stephen Kinnock has just expressed dismay at the thought of a referendum and the BBC said that while he has pleased the remain part of his party, he has not pleased his leaving mps
Incredible decision by Corbyn tonight, especially in light of the YouGov Welsh poll earlier today, no wonder Stephen Kinnock is dismayed.
Kinnock is fine with a #peoplesvote, but putting on a show for his constituents, perhaps it is Corbyn removing his nuts from the fire which really appals.
He was not fine on the news tonight
I understand why you are panicking Big G. You are a one nation Tory. You believe and you care.
this suspicion the age of one nation Tory, just to the right economically culturally to the left embracing social liberalism is coming to an end. Why? Listening to the Conservative Party Education Minister on R4 this morning, it seems wrong the Conservatives running rough shod over parents concerns on their primary child’s teaching on sexual and religious matters. Such a thing as Conservatism so progressive, utilitarian and social liberal has surely had its day, it is due time for a reformation, values renewal.
Farage calls it realignment. And he’s right. His Brexit party will destroy the Tories if brexit doesn’t happen.
What are you on about. I do not panic and never have
It's a full time job trying to keep track of which party leader is ditching what policy, which of the senior colleagues are contradicting it, which wrecking amendments are being proposed by whom, and which MPs are issuing contradictory ultimatums to whom.
Mind you, on the bright side, Boris is almost never mentioned now.
It's a full time job trying to keep track of which party leader is ditching what policy, which of the senior colleagues are contradicting it, which wrecking amendments are being proposed by whom, and which MPs are issuing contradictory ultimatums to whom.
Mind you, on the bright side, Boris is almost never mentioned now.
Biding his time, perhaps. We probably deserve as much.
BBC news confirming confusion over Corbyn's position which seems he will only back his deal (which is not available) and then put it to a referendum
He seems to be tying himself in knots.
Stephen Kinnock has just expressed dismay at the thought of a referendum and the BBC said that while he has pleased the remain part of his party, he has not pleased his leaving mps
Incredible decision by Corbyn tonight, especially in light of the YouGov Welsh poll earlier today, no wonder Stephen Kinnock is dismayed.
Kinnock is fine with a #peoplesvote, but putting on a show for his constituents, perhaps it is Corbyn removing his nuts from the fire which really appals.
He was not fine on the news tonight
I understand why you are panicking Big G. You are a one nation Tory. You believe and you care.
this suspicion the age of one nation Tory, just to the right economically culturally to the left embracing social liberalism is coming to an end. Why? Listening to the Conservative Party Education Minister on R4 this morning, it seems wrong the Conservatives running rough shod over parents concerns on their primary child’s teaching on sexual and religious matters. Such a thing as Conservatism so progressive, utilitarian and social liberal has surely had its day, it is due time for a reformation, values renewal.
Farage calls it realignment. And he’s right. His Brexit party will destroy the Tories if brexit doesn’t happen.
What are you on about. I do not panic and never have
And why have you decided to turn your fire on me.
Farage is yesterdays news
I don’t think his day is done yet
Well mine is
I wish him and every poster a pleasant nights rest
It looks as if the 75% of remain mps have a chance of overturning the vote. It will not be pretty
Seems like a nice time to remind everyone that the PRemain Labour might offer in a referendum is rather less attractive than the CameRemain that lost first time out.
Don't, though, let any of tonight's news distract you from the fact that Forest just beat Derby.
Alastair Campbell had a good point when he said that when he worked for Blair, everything he said was attributed to him, but Seumas Milne is almost never named as a source.
BBC news confirming confusion over Corbyn's position which seems he will only back his deal (which is not available) and then put it to a referendum
He seems to be tying himself in knots.
Stephen Kinnock has just expressed dismay at the thought of a referendum and the BBC said that while he has pleased the remain part of his party, he has not pleased his leaving mps
Incredible decision by Corbyn tonight, especially in light of the YouGov Welsh poll earlier today, no wonder Stephen Kinnock is dismayed.
Kinnock is fine with a #peoplesvote, but putting on a show for his constituents, perhaps it is Corbyn removing his nuts from the fire which really appals.
He was not fine on the news tonight
I understand why you are panicking Big G. You are a one nation Tory. You believe and you care.
this suspicion the age of one nation Tory, just to the right economically culturally to the left embracing social liberalism is coming to an end. Why? Listening to the Conservative Party Education Minister on R4 this morning, it seems wrong the Conservatives running rough shod over parents concerns on their primary child’s teaching on sexual and religious matters. Such a thing as Conservatism so progressive, utilitarian and social liberal has surely had its day, it is due time for a reformation, values renewal.
Farage calls it realignment. And he’s right. His Brexit party will destroy the Tories if brexit doesn’t happen.
What are you on about. I do not panic and never have
And why have you decided to turn your fire on me.
Farage is yesterdays news
I don’t think his day is done yet
Yesterdays man. Even the Brexiteers have moved on to Jacob Rees Mogg and Tommy Robinson. Farage would split with himself if he could.
His only useful role now is motivating Remain voters to campaign harder.
It's a full time job trying to keep track of which party leader is ditching what policy, which of the senior colleagues are contradicting it, which wrecking amendments are being proposed by whom, and which MPs are issuing contradictory ultimatums to whom.
Mind you, on the bright side, Boris is almost never mentioned now.
Deprived of her deal, May's facing a forced choice between betrayal and ruin...
If TM rules out no deal as is being reported , the chances of breakaway mps from erg defecting to the new brexit party must be high
Let's really hope they do and the Conservatives can be rid of them once and for all
If they do that they will force vonc and government will fall . Brexit party will be popular in leave voting areas in such a subsequent GE
I doubt Farage's new outfit will be any more successful under FPTP than his last one one. You also seem to be assuming that opinions have not changed in the last 3 years.
It's Brexit, every vote might as well be a free vote. It someone thinks it would be a betrayal to vote for this the demands of the whips would stop them from opposing it?
May set to rule out No Deal after 15 of her Ministers threatened to resign to vote for Cooper Letwin.
'Allies of the Prime Minister revealed that the Cabinet will discuss proposals this morning that could see the UK request a short extension of Article 50 of around two months if the PM’s deal is voted down by MPs again, for a second time, on March 12.'
BBC news confirming confusion over Corbyn's position which seems he will only back his deal (which is not available) and then put it to a referendum
He seems to be tying himself in knots.
Stephen Kinnock has just expressed dismay at the thought of a referendum and the BBC said that while he has pleased the remain part of his party, he has not pleased his leaving mps
Incredible decision by Corbyn tonight, especially in light of the YouGov Welsh poll earlier today, no wonder Stephen Kinnock is dismayed.
Kinnock is fine with a #peoplesvote, but putting on a show for his constituents, perhaps it is Corbyn removing his nuts from the fire which really appals.
He was not fine on the news tonight
I understand why you are panicking Big G. You are a one nation Tory. You believe and you care.
this suspicion the age of one nation Tory, just to the right economically culturally to the left embracing social liberalism is coming to an end. Why? Listening to the Conservative Party Education Minister on R4 this morning, it seems wrong the Conservatives running rough shod over parents concerns on their primary child’s teaching on sexual and religious matters. Such a thing as Conservatism so progressive, utilitarian and social liberal has surely had its day, it is due time for a reformation, values renewal.
Farage calls it realignment. And he’s right. His Brexit party will destroy the Tories if brexit doesn’t happen.
What are you on about. I do not panic and never have
And why have you decided to turn your fire on me.
Farage is yesterdays news
I don’t think his day is done yet
Well mine is
I wish him and every poster a pleasant nights rest
It looks as if the 75% of remain mps have a chance of overturning the vote. It will not be pretty
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Corbyn's genius is to decide he's in favour of a referendum a few days after he loses a group of MPs who left mainly because he wasn't in favour of holding another referendum.
I think the factor you haven't considered there is getting rid of those MPs in the first place is a good thing.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Corbyn wasn't entirely clear, but he seemed to give a pretty strong indication that the anonymous Labour source's interpretation is right:
Corbyn told MPs that Labour “cannot and will not accept” May running down the clock towards no deal. “One way or another, we will do everything in our power to prevent no deal and oppose a damaging Tory Brexit based on Theresa May’s overwhelmingly rejected deal,” he said.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
"NEW LAW THAT CATS KILLED/INJURED BY A VEHICLE ARE CHECKED FOR A CHIP: ROUND 3 Thousands of cats are just disposed of every year without being scanned for a chip after being involved in RTAs. Owners search for months and years and never get closure. Scanning takes two minutes. Cats are a part of a family and deserve to be returned home, not thrown into landfill."
A private briefing sent to Labour MPs on Monday nightand seen by the Guardian, makes it clear that Labour’s policy would be to include remain as an option in any future referendum.
“We’ve always said that any referendum would need to have a credible leave option and remain,” the briefing said. “Obviously at this stage that is yet to be decided and would have to be agreed by parliament.”
The briefing also makes it clear that the party would not support no deal being included on the ballot paper. “There’s no majority for a no-deal outcome and Labour would not countenance supporting no deal as an option,” the briefing says. “What we are calling for is a referendum to confirm a Brexit deal, not to proceed to no dea
Jeremy Corbyn’s legacy looks like being a far right, English nationalist Tory government with a majority of 100+ presiding over the break-up of the UK.
May set to rule out No Deal after 15 of her Ministers threatened to resign to vote for Cooper Letwin.
'Allies of the Prime Minister revealed that the Cabinet will discuss proposals this morning that could see the UK request a short extension of Article 50 of around two months if the PM’s deal is voted down by MPs again, for a second time, on March 12.'
How will that help, I wonder? If what we've been told in the past was true, they'd need nearly two months after approving a deal, just to pass the necessary legislation.
BBC news confirming confusion over Corbyn's position which seems he will only back his deal (which is not available) and then put it to a referendum
He seems to be tying himself in knots.
Stephen Kinnock has just expressed dismay at the thought of a referendum and the BBC said that while he has pleased the remain part of his party, he has not pleased his leaving mps
Incredible decision by Corbyn tonight, especially in light of the YouGov Welsh poll earlier today, no wonder Stephen Kinnock is dismayed.
Kinnock is fine with a #peoplesvote, but putting on a show for his constituents, perhaps it is Corbyn removing his nuts from the fire which really appals.
He was not fine on the news tonight
I understand why you are panicking Big G. You are a one nation Tory. You believe and you care.
this suspicion the age of one nation Tory, just to the right economically culturally to the left embracing social liberalism is coming to an end. Why? Listening to the Conservative Party Education Minister on R4 this morning, it seems wrong the Conservatives running rough shod over parents concerns on their primary child’s teaching on sexual and religious matters. Such a thing as Conservatism so progressive, utilitarian and social liberal has surely had its day, it is due time for a reformation, values renewal.
Farage calls it realignment. And he’s right. His Brexit party will destroy the Tories if brexit doesn’t happen.
What are you on about. I do not panic and never have
And why have you decided to turn your fire on me.
Farage is yesterdays news
I don’t think his day is done yet
Well mine is
I wish him and every poster a pleasant nights rest
It looks as if the 75% of remain mps have a chance of overturning the vote. It will not be pretty
"NEW LAW THAT CATS KILLED/INJURED BY A VEHICLE ARE CHECKED FOR A CHIP: ROUND 3 Thousands of cats are just disposed of every year without being scanned for a chip after being involved in RTAs. Owners search for months and years and never get closure. Scanning takes two minutes. Cats are a part of a family and deserve to be returned home, not thrown into landfill."
All this excitable talk about another referendum ignores one crucial fact. Will the EU agree to an extension and won’t this depend on what the question is?
Tusk seemed very open today in his speech to a ‘faffing about’ extension. I heard a figure of 21 months being bandied about, can’t remember source. Smart play by the EU, as they know support for Brexit is only going one way - down. Every month that goes by, it gets weaker.
Support for Brexit degrades at approximately 1 point every 4 months due to demographic changes.
That feels implausibly fast, 30% over 10 yeara?
It is implausible. It is based on the highly erroneous idea that Brexit voters are dying off and that all the youth who replace them are Remain voters. It also assumes that no one changes their mind at all as they age. It is the same myth that predicted Tory voters would become extinct because only old people who will die soon vote Tory.
So Corbyn is in favour of a confirmatory referendum on his proposed deal. In which case he would presumably campaign in favour of his deal.
Thornberry has stated that they would campaign for Remain in any second referendum.
What am I missing?
That Labour plan to play both sides. Or that they know really it won't be their deal up against anything, so in practice since they won't back May's deal they will have to back Remain.
Jeremy Corbyn’s legacy looks like being a far right, English nationalist Tory government with a majority of 100+ presiding over the break-up of the UK.
Good grief, Southam. Things are in flux. Stop catastrophising!
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Edmund Iremonger is a great name for a firebrand populist.
The great TV astronomer Patrick Moore was a fellow member. He was a very rightwing guy, largely untouched by modern mores.
He once said women shouldn’t be on the TV or radio as their voices were too soft.
In a similar vein, another rightwinger beloved of BBC programmers was Norris Macwhirter, who is arguably partially responsible for the current mess we're in.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Edmund Iremonger is a great name for a firebrand populist.
The great TV astronomer Patrick Moore was a fellow member. He was a very rightwing guy, largely untouched by modern mores.
He once said women shouldn’t be on the TV or radio as their voices were too soft.
In 1957 when he first started broadcasting, that wouldn’t have been a ‘right wing’ position. In fact I can’t see how it could be ‘right wing’ in any sense of the way. But on what he said, it would have been the prevailing view at the time.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Jeremy Corbyn’s legacy looks like being a far right, English nationalist Tory government with a majority of 100+ presiding over the break-up of the UK.
Good grief, Southam. Things are in flux. Stop catastrophising!
Ha, ha - I’m rather enjoying it on one level. However, the Tories are totally divided, utterly talentless, completely clueless and thoroughly crap. Their hard core English nationalism has no answers to any of the challenges that face our country. Endless years of Tory government will be disastrous. But that’s what Corbyn delivers. That said, I think something’s snapped this week. For the first time I do wonder whether Corbyn will lead Labour into the next election.
Mass walk out of Con Brexiteers from Tory party next?
Well it would be self-obsessed posturing so there's a chance or perhaps they might try voting for something.
It's not the ERG who are threatening to bring down the government for refusing to throw away the only leverage we have with the EU.
They've been threatening to paralyse it for years now when they do not get their way, there's little difference.
There are some deeply unimpressive MPs in the ERG but I really struggle with this. They represent the groundswell of the party membership and a third of the electorate - and that is if you subscribe to the view that they all support no deal as the preferred option. Which I certainly don't, although no doubt one or two will - most I believe want a deal, but also want to use whatever leverage we have with the EU to improve the deal. Most if not all voted for the Brady Amendment.
While the ERG's performance over Brexit has been lamentable as a whole, I struggle to see why their current position is in any way contrary to the party interest, or a niche position with regard to the public's opinion.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Mass walk out of Con Brexiteers from Tory party next?
Well it would be self-obsessed posturing so there's a chance or perhaps they might try voting for something.
It's not the ERG who are threatening to bring down the government for refusing to throw away the only leverage we have with the EU.
They've been threatening to paralyse it for years now when they do not get their way, there's little difference.
There are some deeply unimpressive MPs in the ERG but I really struggle with this. They represent the groundswell of the party membership and a third of the electorate - and that is if you subscribe to the view that they all support no deal as the preferred option. Which I certainly don't, although no doubt one or two will - most I believe want a deal, but also want to use whatever leverage we have with the EU to improve the deal. Most if not all voted for the Brady Amendment.
While the ERG's performance over Brexit has been lamentable as a whole, I struggle to see why their current position is in any way contrary to the party interest, or a niche position with regard to the public's opinion.
And if the Deal is not improved what do they do then ?
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Jeremy Corbyn’s legacy looks like being a far right, English nationalist Tory government with a majority of 100+ presiding over the break-up of the UK.
Ah, a week is a long time in politics, and in the several weeks between now and the election I think you'll find that several things happen that will surprise you.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
In a alphabetical reversal on TIG, the new ERG breakaway group is to be called the Group of Independent Tories.
GIT.
Have made this joke before, but for the benefit of repetition. After all it never stopped Sunil. If they merge with DUP... Finally United Closet Kipper and Unionist Party.
Jeremy Corbyn’s legacy looks like being a far right, English nationalist Tory government with a majority of 100+ presiding over the break-up of the UK.
Good grief, Southam. Things are in flux. Stop catastrophising!
If it is any consolation he had a similarly disastrous take before the last election, like a calmer Dan Hodges.
Jeremy Corbyn’s legacy looks like being a far right, English nationalist Tory government with a majority of 100+ presiding over the break-up of the UK.
No, May is this week set to rule out No Deal, BINO or her Deal or even EUref2 looks ever more likely.
In fact the 'far right, English nationalists' will soon to be found in a resurgent Farage and his new Brexit Party if we get to Brexit Day and are still in the EU after the Commons and May extend Art 50, the Brexit Party now has a good chance of topping the poll in the EU Parliament elections which will have to be held in May now
All this excitable talk about another referendum ignores one crucial fact. Will the EU agree to an extension and won’t this depend on what the question is?
Tusk seemed very open today in his speech to a ‘faffing about’ extension. I heard a figure of 21 months being bandied about, can’t remember source. Smart play by the EU, as they know support for Brexit is only going one way - down. Every month that goes by, it gets weaker.
Support for Brexit degrades at approximately 1 point every 4 months due to demographic changes.
That feels implausibly fast, 30% over 10 yeara?
It is implausible. It is based on the highly erroneous idea that Brexit voters are dying off and that all the youth who replace them are Remain voters. It also assumes that no one changes their mind at all as they age. It is the same myth that predicted Tory voters would become extinct because only old people who will die soon vote Tory.
The old live longer and go on voting is the truth of it. The country is about to turn right for a few decades at least, so that even conservatives governments will be conservative and not liberals is the truth of it.
May set to rule out No Deal after 15 of her Ministers threatened to resign to vote for Cooper Letwin.
'Allies of the Prime Minister revealed that the Cabinet will discuss proposals this morning that could see the UK request a short extension of Article 50 of around two months if the PM’s deal is voted down by MPs again, for a second time, on March 12.'
How will that help, I wonder? If what we've been told in the past was true, they'd need nearly two months after approving a deal, just to pass the necessary legislation.
It is the first in I expect many can kickings as Brexit Day moves ever further into the sunset
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Edmund Iremonger is a great name for a firebrand populist.
The great TV astronomer Patrick Moore was a fellow member. He was a very rightwing guy, largely untouched by modern mores.
He once said women shouldn’t be on the TV or radio as their voices were too soft.
An extremely far-sighted politician, though. Light years ahead of his time and an all-round stellar performer.
He did have one rather unique claim to fame which he always liked to mention on his talking tours which I saw on a number of occasions.
He met Orville Wright when on leave in New York from flight training in Canada in 1942. In 1960 he was invited to the USSR to meet Yuri Gagarin In 1970 he interviewed Neil Armstrong for the Sky at Night.
He was therefore, he believed, the only person to have met the first man to fly, the first man in space and the first man to walk on the moon.
BBC news confirming confusion over Corbyn's position which seems he will only back his deal (which is not available) and then put it to a referendum
He seems to be tying himself in knots.
Stephen Kinnock has just expressed dismay at the thought of a referendum and the BBC said that while he has pleased the remain part of his party, he has not pleased his leaving mps
Incredible decision by Corbyn tonight, especially in light of the YouGov Welsh poll earlier today, no wonder Stephen Kinnock is dismayed.
Kinnock is fine with a #peoplesvote, but putting on a show for his constituents, perhaps it is Corbyn removing his nuts from the fire which really appals.
He was not fine on the news tonight
I understand why you are panicking Big G. You are a one nation Tory. You believe and you care.
this suspicion the age of one nation Tory, just to the right economically culturally to the left embracing social liberalism is coming to an end. Why? Listening to the Conservative Party Education Minister on R4 this morning, it seems wrong the Conservatives running rough shod over parents concerns on their primary child’s teaching on sexual and religious matters. Such a thing as Conservatism so progressive, utilitarian and social liberal has surely had its day, it is due time for a reformation, values renewal.
Farage calls it realignment. And he’s right. His Brexit party will destroy the Tories if brexit doesn’t happen.
What are you on about. I do not panic and never have
And why have you decided to turn your fire on me.
Farage is yesterdays news
I don’t think his day is done yet
Farage Brexit party will destroy the Tories if brexit doesn’t happen. Its not just Brexit, he will supplant them as the Conservative voice for England, because a barmy left wing Labour council from the eighties wanting to teach six year old about the birds and the bees and the gender unclear creatures of this world is exactly what the modern Tory party has become.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Edmund Iremonger is a great name for a firebrand populist.
The great TV astronomer Patrick Moore was a fellow member. He was a very rightwing guy, largely untouched by modern mores.
He once said women shouldn’t be on the TV or radio as their voices were too soft.
An extremely far-sighted politician, though. Light years ahead of his time and an all-round stellar performer.
He did have one rather unique claim to fame which he always liked to mention on his talking tours which I saw on a number of occasions.
He met Orville Wright when on leave in New York from flight training in Canada in 1942. In 1960 he was invited to the USSR to meet Yuri Gagarin In 1970 he interviewed Neil Armstrong for the Sky at Night.
He was therefore, he believed, the only person to have met the first man to fly, the first man in space and the first man to walk on the moon.
I think I've read that before - thanks for the reminder! - a remarkable set to complete*.
*Although the Montgolfier brothers might have a bone to pick with you.
That'd be fun. Con 353, Lab 133, Lib 15. Tiggies 78!
In reality the splitters would struggle once they had to offer some policies.
First past the post is absolubtely brutal to new parties, checking back - General Election 2015, if UKIP had scored 26% then on a UNS basis they'd have won 7 seats (In reality they might have held Rochester and Strood as well). If you want a slightly more optimistic outlook then 1983 provides 23 seats for the alliance on just under 26%.
Meanwhile Labour take 150 odd seats no matter what happens to anyone else.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
BBC news confirming confusion over Corbyn's position which seems he will only back his deal (which is not available) and then put it to a referendum
He seems to be tying himself in knots.
Stephen Kinnock has just expressed dismay at the thought of a referendum and the BBC said that while he has pleased the remain part of his party, he has not pleased his leaving mps
Incredible decision by Corbyn tonight, especially in light of the YouGov Welsh poll earlier today, no wonder Stephen Kinnock is dismayed.
Kinnock is fine with a #peoplesvote, but putting on a show for his constituents, perhaps it is Corbyn removing his nuts from the fire which really appals.
He was not fine on the news tonight
I understand why you are panicking Big G. You are a one nation Tory. You believe and you care.
this suspicion the age of one nation Tory, just to the right economically culturally to the left embracing social liberalism is coming to an end. Why? Listening to the Conservative Party Education Minister on R4 this morning, it seems wrong the Conservatives running rough shod over parents concerns on their primary child’s teaching on sexual and religious matters. Such a thing as Conservatism so progressive, utilitarian and social liberal has surely had its day, it is due time for a reformation, values renewal.
Farage calls it realignment. And he’s right. His Brexit party will destroy the Tories if brexit doesn’t happen.
What are you on about. I do not panic and never have
And why have you decided to turn your fire on me.
Farage is yesterdays news
I don’t think his day is done yet
Farage Brexit party will destroy the Tories if brexit doesn’t happen. Its not just Brexit, he will supplant them as the Conservative voice for England, because a barmy left wing Labour council from the eighties wanting to teach six year old about the birds and the bees and the gender unclear creatures of this world is exactly what the modern Tory party has become.
Somebody will need to take the rap for Brexit failing to be delivered.
May should let remainer mp’s take control and have Labour take responsibility.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Edmund Iremonger is a great name for a firebrand populist.
The great TV astronomer Patrick Moore was a fellow member. He was a very rightwing guy, largely untouched by modern mores.
He once said women shouldn’t be on the TV or radio as their voices were too soft.
In a similar vein, another rightwinger beloved of BBC programmers was Norris Macwhirter, who is arguably partially responsible for the current mess we're in.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Edmund Iremonger is a great name for a firebrand populist.
The great TV astronomer Patrick Moore was a fellow member. He was a very rightwing guy, largely untouched by modern mores.
He once said women shouldn’t be on the TV or radio as their voices were too soft.
An extremely far-sighted politician, though. Light years ahead of his time and an all-round stellar performer.
He did have one rather unique claim to fame which he always liked to mention on his talking tours which I saw on a number of occasions.
He met Orville Wright when on leave in New York from flight training in Canada in 1942. In 1960 he was invited to the USSR to meet Yuri Gagarin In 1970 he interviewed Neil Armstrong for the Sky at Night.
He was therefore, he believed, the only person to have met the first man to fly, the first man in space and the first man to walk on the moon.
I think I've read that before - thanks for the reminder! - a remarkable set to complete*.
*Although the Montgolfier brothers might have a bone to pick with you.
I know. I always see that but I always consider that if we want to split hairs then the criminals thrown off the Tarpeian Rock in Rome would be able to put in a strong case.
Proper flight rather than all that silly balloon stuff.
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Edmund Iremonger is a great name for a firebrand populist.
The great TV astronomer Patrick Moore was a fellow member. He was a very rightwing guy, largely untouched by modern mores.
He once said women shouldn’t be on the TV or radio as their voices were too soft.
An extremely far-sighted politician, though. Light years ahead of his time and an all-round stellar performer.
He did have one rather unique claim to fame which he always liked to mention on his talking tours which I saw on a number of occasions.
He met Orville Wright when on leave in New York from flight training in Canada in 1942. In 1960 he was invited to the USSR to meet Yuri Gagarin In 1970 he interviewed Neil Armstrong for the Sky at Night.
He was therefore, he believed, the only person to have met the first man to fly, the first man in space and the first man to walk on the moon.
I think I've read that before - thanks for the reminder! - a remarkable set to complete*.
*Although the Montgolfier brothers might have a bone to pick with you.
I know. I always see that but I always consider that if we want to split hairs then the criminals thrown off the Tarpeian Rock in Rome would be able to put in a strong case.
Proper flight rather than all that silly balloon stuff.
I'd characterise that as falling rather than flying! But I know what you mean on balloons. Powered, fixed-wing flight revolutionised the world; wobbly sacks of hot air, not so much.
"NEW LAW THAT CATS KILLED/INJURED BY A VEHICLE ARE CHECKED FOR A CHIP: ROUND 3 Thousands of cats are just disposed of every year without being scanned for a chip after being involved in RTAs. Owners search for months and years and never get closure. Scanning takes two minutes. Cats are a part of a family and deserve to be returned home, not thrown into landfill."
So we've got the following labour parties as it stands from the 17 election Labour Corbyn branch Ex labour tiggers Labour brexiteers Labour elementaries under Watson Independent ex labour non tigger Labour prison branch
Lol
Weren't there something like 19 different Communist/left socialist parties registered in the UK at one point?
Edmund Iremonger is a great name for a firebrand populist.
The great TV astronomer Patrick Moore was a fellow member. He was a very rightwing guy, largely untouched by modern mores.
He once said women shouldn’t be on the TV or radio as their voices were too soft.
An extremely far-sighted politician, though. Light years ahead of his time and an all-round stellar performer.
He did have one rather unique claim to fame which he always liked to mention on his talking tours which I saw on a number of occasions.
He met Orville Wright when on leave in New York from flight training in Canada in 1942. In 1960 he was invited to the USSR to meet Yuri Gagarin In 1970 he interviewed Neil Armstrong for the Sky at Night.
He was therefore, he believed, the only person to have met the first man to fly, the first man in space and the first man to walk on the moon.
Neil Gaiman has a great imposters' syndrome story about Neil Armstrong
"NEW LAW THAT CATS KILLED/INJURED BY A VEHICLE ARE CHECKED FOR A CHIP: ROUND 3 Thousands of cats are just disposed of every year without being scanned for a chip after being involved in RTAs. Owners search for months and years and never get closure. Scanning takes two minutes. Cats are a part of a family and deserve to be returned home, not thrown into landfill."
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And why have you decided to turn your fire on me.
Farage is yesterdays news
Who knows what forces they may release.
Mind you, on the bright side, Boris is almost never mentioned now.
Hmm.
I wish him and every poster a pleasant nights rest
It looks as if the 75% of remain mps have a chance of overturning the vote. It will not be pretty
Good night folks
Don't, though, let any of tonight's news distract you from the fact that Forest just beat Derby.
GIT.
His only useful role now is motivating Remain voters to campaign harder.
Ok, it was a bit of a stretch.
'Allies of the Prime Minister revealed that the Cabinet will discuss proposals this morning that could see the UK request a short extension of Article 50 of around two months if the PM’s deal is voted down by MPs again, for a second time, on March 12.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6744547/Theresa-set-RULE-No-Deal-Brexit.html
That's not very nice...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Country_Party_(United_Kingdom)
Hmm, a monger denotes a trader of some kind, so this Edmund was a dealer in ire?
Corbyn told MPs that Labour “cannot and will not accept” May running down the clock towards no deal. “One way or another, we will do everything in our power to prevent no deal and oppose a damaging Tory Brexit based on Theresa May’s overwhelmingly rejected deal,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/25/labour-to-back-moves-for-second-brexit-referendum
It looks like Tom Watson has saved Corbyn from more immediate defections. I do hope he's grateful.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_Undead_Rights_and_Equality
He once said women shouldn’t be on the TV or radio as their voices were too soft.
Please sign this petition if you have time.
"NEW LAW THAT CATS KILLED/INJURED BY A VEHICLE ARE CHECKED FOR A CHIP: ROUND 3
Thousands of cats are just disposed of every year without being scanned for a chip after being involved in RTAs. Owners search for months and years and never get closure. Scanning takes two minutes. Cats are a part of a family and deserve to be returned home, not thrown into landfill."
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229004
Not my reading at all.
That story appears to back up Thornberry.
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A private briefing sent to Labour MPs on Monday nightand seen by the Guardian, makes it clear that Labour’s policy would be to include remain as an option in any future referendum.
“We’ve always said that any referendum would need to have a credible leave option and remain,” the briefing said. “Obviously at this stage that is yet to be decided and would have to be agreed by parliament.”
The briefing also makes it clear that the party would not support no deal being included on the ballot paper. “There’s no majority for a no-deal outcome and Labour would not countenance supporting no deal as an option,” the briefing says. “What we are calling for is a referendum to confirm a Brexit deal, not to proceed to no dea
Signed. Thanks.
Thornberry has stated that they would campaign for Remain in any second referendum.
What am I missing?
Good grief, Southam. Things are in flux. Stop catastrophising!
While the ERG's performance over Brexit has been lamentable as a whole, I struggle to see why their current position is in any way contrary to the party interest, or a niche position with regard to the public's opinion.
That'd be fun. Con 353, Lab 133, Lib 15. Tiggies 78!
And it is the ERG threatening to block the government on other issues if they can't have their way.
Patrick Moore was also an opponent of fox hunting so certainly not easy to label.
What does distance have to do with it?
Which is just another reason why a general election in 2019 is looking more likely by the day IMO.
Soz Brenda!
Finally United Closet Kipper and Unionist Party.
In fact the 'far right, English nationalists' will soon to be found in a resurgent Farage and his new Brexit Party if we get to Brexit Day and are still in the EU after the Commons and May extend Art 50, the Brexit Party now has a good chance of topping the poll in the EU Parliament elections which will have to be held in May now
He met Orville Wright when on leave in New York from flight training in Canada in 1942.
In 1960 he was invited to the USSR to meet Yuri Gagarin
In 1970 he interviewed Neil Armstrong for the Sky at Night.
He was therefore, he believed, the only person to have met the first man to fly, the first man in space and the first man to walk on the moon.
*Although the Montgolfier brothers might have a bone to pick with you.
If you want a slightly more optimistic outlook then 1983 provides 23 seats for the alliance on just under 26%.
Meanwhile Labour take 150 odd seats no matter what happens to anyone else.
May should let remainer mp’s take control and have Labour take responsibility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_McWhirter
Proper flight rather than all that silly balloon stuff.
https://twitter.com/AlanBaxter/status/863259258443374593