Hunt on News at Ten putting the boot into Robbins - saying the last thing we need is another extension and more Brexit paralysis.....
The strategy is psychological destruction of the Brexiteers. That depends on making them think they will be responsible for no deal. An extension let’s them off the hook.
Frankly, and I will not be alone in thinking this, I am surprised even 6 are on course. Has this government achieved anything worthwhile on Brexit? No, the deal does not count because while I'd sign it, Parliament won't so it is pointless.
It's why, horrible though it is, remaining really is the best option now - there's no f*cking way this absolute clownish group of incompetents manage anything worthwhile in the next phase.
I reckon OGS hasn't got what it takes, seems tactically naive, despite his prolonged post Jose bounce.
Worth a Lay for next manager?
Give him a break. He has lifted United into the top four, is well ahead of the rest of the premier league on all stats goals scored and points secured since he took over.
He will have ups and downs but he is certainly in a good place to get the job
It hasn't occurred to some of the dopier Remainers that whilst they would like no deal Brexit to stalk among us like the Black Death, killing the first born and leaving everyone else with weeping sores, there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions. Put simply, they have, once again, overegged it. Because (thank goodness) they never learn.
It hasn't occurred to some of the dopier Remainers that whilst they would like no deal Brexit to stalk among us like the Black Death, killing the first born and leaving everyone else with weeping sores, there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions. Put simply, they have, once again, overegged it. Because (thank goodness) they never learn.
Nice.
How is your own learning mechanism doing these days? Still think that Jo Cox was killed as part of a false flag operation?
It hasn't occurred to some of the dopier Remainers that whilst they would like no deal Brexit to stalk among us like the Black Death, killing the first born and leaving everyone else with weeping sores, there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions. Put simply, they have, once again, overegged it. Because (thank goodness) they never learn.
On topic, I've been banging on for ages, and betting accordingly, that we're leaving next month with No Deal.
The only question left is for how long the country is prepared to tolerate No Deal.
Those close to Gove say he thinks the harder the Brexit the quicker we rejoin, which is fine by me.
No deal scenario - The commission is in disarray, Juncker has left and the new commission has not been appointed. So Herr Selymar steps up as the top EU bod. He is unequivocal "The Brits have left they need to lie in the bed they have made, solidarity for the remaining EU members."
Merkel has just met with the bosses of Ford and Opel who have told her that all plants in Germany will close as their largest most profitable market is now not in the EU. GDP is forceast to drop 5%+ YoY in Germany this year.
Merkel has requested emergency talks with the Prime Minister to try to salvage the dramatic drop in German goods exports to the UK.
Am I a fiction writer or a non-fiction writer?
A fiction writer.
When a Mercedes is sold in the UK, it adds more than twice as much to our GDP as theirs .
But I have not mentioned Mercs or Beemers or Audi's. I said Fords and Opels.
We will replace their models with Seat Exeo's and Skoda Superbs, and Hyundai's and Kia's.
Which means as you say our GDP will be ok'ish and Merkel still has a problem with production levels at those non premium car plants in Germany, as their largest market in the EU by quite a long way is the UK.
Also nobody has picked up on my point that there will be no effective commission in place until about September. With Selmayr in charge why will he agree to anything that we request?
On the topic of people disbelieving biographical details, there was a guy called Runnymede on here back in the golden years, who questioned the most mundane of personal experiences shared by other posters.
You could say, “a few weekends ago I visited a pub in Ealing” or “last Tuesday I went to a cobblers in Kingsbury”, and he’d accuse you of making it all up.
It hasn't occurred to some of the dopier Remainers that whilst they would like no deal Brexit to stalk among us like the Black Death, killing the first born and leaving everyone else with weeping sores, there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions. Put simply, they have, once again, overegged it. Because (thank goodness) they never learn.
It hasn't occurred to some of the dopier Remainers that whilst they would like no deal Brexit to stalk among us like the Black Death, killing the first born and leaving everyone else with weeping sores, there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions. Put simply, they have, once again, overegged it. Because (thank goodness) they never learn.
No Deal being fine is reliant on Chris Grayling making sure things run smoothly. Yeah, think on that.
there's a danger Leave won the battle in 2016 but ultimately lost the war.
Success equals performance minus expectation.
BoZo knew that the day after the vote
Indeed. Boris and Gove looked positively funereal at the "victory" press conference on 27 June. They knew they could not deliver what had been promised.
I reckon OGS hasn't got what it takes, seems tactically naive, despite his prolonged post Jose bounce.
Worth a Lay for next manager?
United have been pretty awful. I thought they’d win tonight.
Have been pretty awful. Remind me which team tops the premier league in all stats since Ole took over
They were outclassed tonight but they have made great progress recently
I don't think so. Looked rather witless in recent matches.
They outwitted Leicester City a couple of weeks ago though.
Sure, our tendency to leak an early goal caused our 1 nil loss, but they could barely manage another shot on target. Apart from Pogba, De Gea and Matic, they looked bog standard, and tactically poor. I was at the game, and could see the players were confused about what to do.
Mind you Puels methods are beginning to bear fruit. We did the same to Loverpool and Spurs. We are losing by fine margins, like the Leicester Team of 14-15, it won't take a lot of improvement to be winning by fine margins. Leicester will learn to love Puel.
Bloody hell you lot; this is one loss ! Obviously doing too well as a PL manager is a terrible thing, best to aim for consistent "never quite made it to the top, but doing ok" like Moyes at Everton.
Simple fact is Man United don't have as good a team as PSG at the moment.
One loss that almost certainly puts them out of the Champions’ League. PSG are a good team but United weren’t at their best tonight - far from it.
Time to back Man Utd for the FA Cup perhaps, if they are to be free of other distractions.
Just read the Olly Robbins story. Apart from the tortured - and unethical - “I overheard a bloke in the pub” angle, er...
...so what?
May isn’t going to drive the country off a cliff to No Deal, if she has an option to extend. Why would she? Robbins doesn’t appear to me to be saying anything particularly spectacular.
Reposting ... would be genuinely interested in what people think:
I am a humble B2B journalist of some 27 years standing. I would be very uneasy running a story about the contents of what was clearly a private conversation occuring in a bar at the end of a long day. It doesn’t seem right to me. Maybe that’s why I’m B2B!!
You are quite correct, it isn't right to report a half-overheard private conversation like that, especially in a case like this where it's about exact nuances.
there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions.
Ah, you have made the classic mistake of grossly underestimating Chris Grayling.
From bean to cup, he fucks up.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
You cannot yet conceive just how many things will go wrong with him in post.
Indeed. Boris and Gove looked positively funereal at the "victory" press conference on 27 June. They knew they could not deliver what had been promised.
The political declaration isn’t legally binding so it’s irrelevant what that says re future customs arrangements .
It’s likely May will step down in the summer to be replaced by a hardline Brexiteer who will ditch the political declaration anyway .
That’s why any assurances by May about workers rights etc are worthless . Any Labour MP buying into her faux concern for workers needs their head tested .
If only March 29 was the end of this fiasco . Brexit and its fall out will go on and on .
And the chaos in the UK over the last two years is a good example to other EU nations of what to expect if any other country decides to go down this route .
UK negotiators have failed because they stupidly ignored that Brexit was a political project and yet expected the EU to view the negotiations in a different way .
The EU has never been just about economics , and that’s in a sense why we got to the Leave vote but it’s the very thing that also stops the EU from doing what’s just in their economic interest .
UK politicians fail to understand that Tusks emotional outbursts over the last few years come from his total belief in the EU project , just as those on the other side of the debate in the UK passionately believe in leaving .
You either get it or you don’t . I get Tusk because I get the EU , imperfect but at its heart a positive force .
Every time I cross a different border in the EU and see those stars welcoming me to another wonderful EU country I smile .
And every time I hear Ode To Joy my spirits soar .
Hopefully one day in the near future the UK returns to its place at the heart of Europe. Until then so long UK .
You annoyed the hell out of the rest of the EU but you will be missed .
there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions.
Ah, you have made the classic mistake of grossly underestimating Chris Grayling.
From bean to cup, he fucks up.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
You cannot yet conceive just how many things will go wrong with him in post.
Actually that doesn't look too bad. The only one of any importance which is 'significantly off track' is Morocco, which could be a useful alternative source for some agricultural produce we currently get from the southern EU countries. Japan is obviously very important but is so new that we're not losing anything compared with what we're used to.
And one of those is the Faroe Islands. No disrespect to the Faroes but it's not going to be a big slice of our trade is it?
It could be...
The UN should totally vote on whether to force the country in question to officially change its name to, "No Disrespect to the Faroe Islands But." Constantly disrepected, in football and in trade negotiations.
Actually that doesn't look too bad. The only one of any importance which is 'significantly off track' is Morocco, which could be a useful alternative source for some agricultural produce we currently get from the southern EU countries. Japan is obviously very important but is so new that we're not losing anything compared with what we're used to.
The analysis I saw was that 11 countries out of 55 accounted for 90%+ of the trade doen by all 55 countries. It is those 11 that Fox should be concentrating on.
there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions.
Ah, you have made the classic mistake of grossly underestimating Chris Grayling.
From bean to cup, he fucks up.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
You cannot yet conceive just how many things will go wrong with him in post.
Actually that doesn't look too bad. The only one of any importance which is 'significantly off track' is Morocco, which could be a useful alternative source for some agricultural produce we currently get from the southern EU countries. Japan is obviously very important but is so new that we're not losing anything compared with what we're used to.
The analysis I saw was that 11 countries out of 55 accounted for 90%+ of the trade doen by all 55 countries. It is those 11 that Fox should be concentrating on.
The political declaration isn’t legally binding so it’s irrelevant what that says re future customs arrangements .
It’s likely May will step down in the summer to be replaced by a hardline Brexiteer who will ditch the political declaration anyway .
That’s why any assurances by May about workers rights etc are worthless . Any Labour MP buying into her faux concern for workers needs their head tested .
If only March 29 was the end of this fiasco . Brexit and its fall out will go on and on .
And the chaos in the UK over the last two years is a good example to other EU nations of what to expect if any other country decides to go down this route .
UK negotiators have failed because they stupidly ignored that Brexit was a political project and yet expected the EU to view the negotiations in a different way .
The EU has never been just about economics , and that’s in a sense why we got to the Leave vote but it’s the very thing that also stops the EU from doing what’s just in their economic interest .
UK politicians fail to understand that Tusks emotional outbursts over the last few years come from his total belief in the EU project , just as those on the other side of the debate in the UK passionately believe in leaving .
You either get it or you don’t . I get Tusk because I get the EU , imperfect but at its heart a positive force .
Every time I cross a different border in the EU and see those stars welcoming me to another wonderful EU country I smile .
And every time I hear Ode To Joy my spirits soar .
Hopefully one day in the near future the UK returns to its place at the heart of Europe. Until then so long UK .
You annoyed the hell out of the rest of the EU but you will be missed .
Yes very funny that the Leavers told us all that it wasn't about the economics but was more important than that and yet we approached the negotiations as though it was only about economics and that the German carmakers, driven by economic concerns, would force the EU to abandon their political ideals.
Actually that doesn't look too bad. The only one of any importance which is 'significantly off track' is Morocco, which could be a useful alternative source for some agricultural produce we currently get from the southern EU countries. Japan is obviously very important but is so new that we're not losing anything compared with what we're used to.
The analysis I saw was that 11 countries out of 55 accounted for 90%+ of the trade doen by all 55 countries. It is those 11 that Fox should be concentrating on.
there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions.
Ah, you have made the classic mistake of grossly underestimating Chris Grayling.
From bean to cup, he fucks up.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
You cannot yet conceive just how many things will go wrong with him in post.
It hasn't occurred to some of the dopier Remainers that whilst they would like no deal Brexit to stalk among us like the Black Death, killing the first born and leaving everyone else with weeping sores, there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions. Put simply, they have, once again, overegged it. Because (thank goodness) they never learn.
The bit that seems to me to have been overlooked is that demanding a long extension without any particular plan for what to do with it will not get EU agreement. A short extension to tidy up an agreement, certainly. A long extension to hold a referendum or a GE or try some completely different track, maybe. But a few months to kick the can? Nah.
And one of those is the Faroe Islands. No disrespect to the Faroes but it's not going to be a big slice of our trade is it?
It could be...
The UN should totally vote on whether to force the country in question to officially change its name to, "No Disrespect to the Faroe Islands But." Constantly disrepected, in football and in trade negotiations.
The Faroes Islands show that it's possible for a European country to exist outside the EU; Britain can be the new Faroes!
there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions.
Ah, you have made the classic mistake of grossly underestimating Chris Grayling.
From bean to cup, he fucks up.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
You cannot yet conceive just how many things will go wrong with him in post.
And one of those is the Faroe Islands. No disrespect to the Faroes but it's not going to be a big slice of our trade is it?
It could be...
The UN should totally vote on whether to force the country in question to officially change its name to, "No Disrespect to the Faroe Islands But." Constantly disrepected, in football and in trade negotiations.
The Faroes Islands show that it's possible for a European country to exist outside the EU; Britain can be the new Faroes!
A treeless bleak windswept archipelago, where the main sport is slaughtering trapped whales?
Sounds a step up from the proposed No Deal Brexit Zombie Apocalypse.
The bit that seems to me to have been overlooked is that demanding a long extension without any particular plan for what to do with it will not get EU agreement. A short extension to tidy up an agreement, certainly. A long extension to hold a referendum or a GE or try some completely different track, maybe. But a few months to kick the can? Nah.
The bit that seems to me to have been overlooked is that demanding a long extension without any particular plan for what to do with it will not get EU agreement. A short extension to tidy up an agreement, certainly. A long extension to hold a referendum or a GE or try some completely different track, maybe. But a few months to kick the can? Nah.
Can we theoretically just revoke it then reinvoke it at a point of our own choosing?
there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions.
Ah, you have made the classic mistake of grossly underestimating Chris Grayling.
From bean to cup, he fucks up.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
You cannot yet conceive just how many things will go wrong with him in post.
Actually that doesn't look too bad. The only one of any importance which is 'significantly off track' is Morocco, which could be a useful alternative source for some agricultural produce we currently get from the southern EU countries. Japan is obviously very important but is so new that we're not losing anything compared with what we're used to.
The analysis I saw was that 11 countries out of 55 accounted for 90%+ of the trade doen by all 55 countries. It is those 11 that Fox should be concentrating on.
And one of those is the Faroe Islands. No disrespect to the Faroes but it's not going to be a big slice of our trade is it?
It could be...
The UN should totally vote on whether to force the country in question to officially change its name to, "No Disrespect to the Faroe Islands But." Constantly disrepected, in football and in trade negotiations.
The Faroes Islands show that it's possible for a European country to exist outside the EU; Britain can be the new Faroes!
Well [‘no offence to the Faroes’] it’s an improvement on Philip Thompson’s billing last night - “Brexit won’t be as bad as WW1”
there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions.
Ah, you have made the classic mistake of grossly underestimating Chris Grayling.
From bean to cup, he fucks up.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
You cannot yet conceive just how many things will go wrong with him in post.
The bit that seems to me to have been overlooked is that demanding a long extension without any particular plan for what to do with it will not get EU agreement. A short extension to tidy up an agreement, certainly. A long extension to hold a referendum or a GE or try some completely different track, maybe. But a few months to kick the can? Nah.
Can we theoretically just revoke it then reinvoke it at a point of our own choosing?
I think so. But any remaining goodwill would terminally evaporate - they'd think we were taking the piss.
The bit that seems to me to have been overlooked is that demanding a long extension without any particular plan for what to do with it will not get EU agreement. A short extension to tidy up an agreement, certainly. A long extension to hold a referendum or a GE or try some completely different track, maybe. But a few months to kick the can? Nah.
I know everybody's saying that and I hate to be the "the EU are bluffing" guy since that guy is always wrong, but I wonder if that will really hold. We're looking at all kinds of disruption and real-world damage. The damage *mainly* applies to the UK, but it also applies to people and businesses from every member state. If the UK request an extension, and allowing it would make the problem go away for a while, and possibly even end up with it getting solved somehow, why wouldn't you?
Imagine it's the day before Brexit Day. What's the national interest that's protected, or the principle that's defended, by making the UK crash out tomorrow?
there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions.
Ah, you have made the classic mistake of grossly underestimating Chris Grayling.
From bean to cup, he fucks up.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
You cannot yet conceive just how many things will go wrong with him in post.
Actually that doesn't look too bad. The only one of any importance which is 'significantly off track' is Morocco, which could be a useful alternative source for some agricultural produce we currently get from the southern EU countries. Japan is obviously very important but is so new that we're not losing anything compared with what we're used to.
The analysis I saw was that 11 countries out of 55 accounted for 90%+ of the trade doen by all 55 countries. It is those 11 that Fox should be concentrating on.
How many of those 11 are in the EU?
None.
So not our major trading partner?
Liam Fox is not negotiating our deal with the EU that is May, Fox has been asked to grandfather or replicate the deals that the EU has with the rest of the world. He may be crap but at least lets not say he is crap because of something he has not been asked to do.
The bit that seems to me to have been overlooked is that demanding a long extension without any particular plan for what to do with it will not get EU agreement. A short extension to tidy up an agreement, certainly. A long extension to hold a referendum or a GE or try some completely different track, maybe. But a few months to kick the can? Nah.
It wouldn't be to kick the can, it would be one prong of a two-prong offensive to force MPs to sign up to the deal. As such it makes pretty good sense for both the UK government and the EU.
The bit that seems to me to have been overlooked is that demanding a long extension without any particular plan for what to do with it will not get EU agreement. A short extension to tidy up an agreement, certainly. A long extension to hold a referendum or a GE or try some completely different track, maybe. But a few months to kick the can? Nah.
Can we theoretically just revoke it then reinvoke it at a point of our own choosing?
I think so. But any remaining goodwill would terminally evaporate - they'd think we were taking the piss.
O/T Got a regular sales email from Cunard today. I notice they have started putting in this attempted soother about Brexit:
Peace of mind. Cunard welcomes the latest guidance from the UK government on passenger travel to the EU, that irrespective of the Brexit outcome cruise operations will continue on the same basis as today. As a trusted international British brand, we'd like to reassure all guests booking with Cunard that we will continue to offer peace of mind to everyone holidaying with us.
I wonder how hard their sales are currently being hit?
Actually that doesn't look too bad. The only one of any importance which is 'significantly off track' is Morocco, which could be a useful alternative source for some agricultural produce we currently get from the southern EU countries. Japan is obviously very important but is so new that we're not losing anything compared with what we're used to.
The analysis I saw was that 11 countries out of 55 accounted for 90%+ of the trade doen by all 55 countries. It is those 11 that Fox should be concentrating on.
How many of those 11 are in the EU?
None.
So not our major trading partner?
Liam Fox is not negotiating our deal with the EU that is May, Fox has been asked to grandfather or replicate the deals that the EU has with the rest of the world. He may be crap but at least lets not say he is crap because of something he has not been asked to do.
Good thing that he has the Palestinian Authority in the bag next to the Faeroes.
Though I think these done deals just replicate current EU deals, not "improve" upon them.
Actually that doesn't look too bad. The only one of any importance which is 'significantly off track' is Morocco, which could be a useful alternative source for some agricultural produce we currently get from the southern EU countries. Japan is obviously very important but is so new that we're not losing anything compared with what we're used to.
The analysis I saw was that 11 countries out of 55 accounted for 90%+ of the trade doen by all 55 countries. It is those 11 that Fox should be concentrating on.
How many of those 11 are in the EU?
None.
So not our major trading partner?
Liam Fox is not negotiating our deal with the EU that is May, Fox has been asked to grandfather or replicate the deals that the EU has with the rest of the world. He may be crap but at least lets not say he is crap because of something he has not been asked to do.
Good thing that he has the Palestinian Authority in the bag next to the Faeroes.
Though I think these done deals just replicate current EU deals, not "improve" upon them.
That is correct because the Govt did not want to antagonise the EU by negotiating new deals so all they could do was say lets grandfather or replicate.
The bit that seems to me to have been overlooked is that demanding a long extension without any particular plan for what to do with it will not get EU agreement. A short extension to tidy up an agreement, certainly. A long extension to hold a referendum or a GE or try some completely different track, maybe. But a few months to kick the can? Nah.
It wouldn't be to kick the can, it would be one prong of a two-prong offensive to force MPs to sign up to the deal. As such it makes pretty good sense for both the UK government and the EU.
Doesn't the two-pronged offensive suffer from the same fatal defect that's dogged her efforts all along?
She's got to simultaneously convince Leavers that she's going to extend, and Remainers that she's going to No Deal. How can she do both?
And is the threat of extension really a potent one, unless people think it's going to be the first of a series - which there's no reason to think the EU will allow?
It hasn't occurred to some of the dopier Remainers that whilst they would like no deal Brexit to stalk among us like the Black Death, killing the first born and leaving everyone else with weeping sores, there may just physically not be enough, anywhere near enough, things that can go wrong, even in the worst case scenario, to fulfill their luridly painted predictions. Put simply, they have, once again, overegged it. Because (thank goodness) they never learn.
It hasn't occurred to you that Project Fear was a strategy for securing a Remain result in the referendum, so it's a bit outdated and irrelevant to be detecting it in 2019. It also has occurred to some of the brighter Leavers, apparently not including you, that it is perfectly consistent to be in favour in principle of Brexit in general while admitting that the particular kind of no deal brexit currently facing us is going to be a serious disaster.
Actually that doesn't look too bad. The only one of any importance which is 'significantly off track' is Morocco, which could be a useful alternative source for some agricultural produce we currently get from the southern EU countries. Japan is obviously very important but is so new that we're not losing anything compared with what we're used to.
The analysis I saw was that 11 countries out of 55 accounted for 90%+ of the trade doen by all 55 countries. It is those 11 that Fox should be concentrating on.
How many of those 11 are in the EU?
None.
So not our major trading partner?
Liam Fox is not negotiating our deal with the EU that is May, Fox has been asked to grandfather or replicate the deals that the EU has with the rest of the world. He may be crap but at least lets not say he is crap because of something he has not been asked to do.
Good thing that he has the Palestinian Authority in the bag next to the Faeroes.
Though I think these done deals just replicate current EU deals, not "improve" upon them.
That is correct because the Govt did not want to antagonise the EU by negotiating new deals so all they could do was say lets grandfather or replicate.
I certainly hope that Brexit Britain replicates the EBA deal that the EU signed with the LDCs of Africa and Asia.
That has been one of the best trade initiatives in recent decades.
Does the two-pronged offensive suffer from the same fatal defect that's dogged her efforts all along?
She's got to simultaneously convince Leavers that she's going to extend, and Remainers that she's going to No Deal. How can she do both?
And is the threat of extension really a potent one, unless people think it's going to be the first of a series - which there's no reason to think the EU will allow?
I think it might not suffer from that problem. The proposal would be: 'We've run out of time. We need an extension to avoid total chaos in a few days' time, but the extension is only available if we sign up to the deal on offer.'
The complicating factor is that the government won't be the only one manoeuvring. The Yvette Cooper amendment is designed to provide a Revoke alternative to No Deal (effectively). However, it has some tricky procedural hurdles to overcome even if the initial amendment is passed (which I think it will be, with more Tory realists switching over, unless there's some other breakthrough in the meantime).
Does the two-pronged offensive suffer from the same fatal defect that's dogged her efforts all along?
She's got to simultaneously convince Leavers that she's going to extend, and Remainers that she's going to No Deal. How can she do both?
And is the threat of extension really a potent one, unless people think it's going to be the first of a series - which there's no reason to think the EU will allow?
I think it might not suffer from that problem. The proposal would be: 'We've run out of time. We need an extension to avoid total chaos in a few days' time, but the extension is only available if we sign up to the deal on offer.'
The complicating factor is that the government won't be the only one manoeuvring. The Yvette Cooper amendment is designed to provide a Revoke alternative to No Deal (effectively). However, it has some tricky procedural hurdles to overcome even if the initial amendment is passed (which I think it will be, with more Tory realists switching over, unless there's some other breakthrough in the meantime).
Sorry, I must have misunderstand what the two-pronged offensive was.
What you describe is what I'd been assuming would be the strategy - no extension unless the deal is passed.
Anyone got any idea why the FSTE is holding up so well, given all the Brexit uncertainty?
I can't think it's the prospect of bright sunlit uplands.
Well, the outlook for the FTSE100 is probably fairly Brexit neutral overall. If we crash out in chaos, the pound will collapse and all those foreign earnings will be worth more in sterling terms. Conversely if some kind of sensible transition is agreed (let alone revocation or delay for a referendum), the pound will rise but that will be offset by a big surge of relief and renewed confidence in the UK market. For that reason, my personal view is that FTSE100 trackers (which I wouldn't normally invest in, because the FTSE100 is such a bizarre, unbalanced, and over-concentrated index) are rather attractive at the moment.
For the smaller companies, more tied to the UK economy, the outlook is binary: crash out bad, deal or delay or revocation good. The market price is the weighted average of the two outcomes (overlaid of course on other factors). It's a risky play investing in the UK economy, but it could be a very profitable one if we don't crash out.
Does the two-pronged offensive suffer from the same fatal defect that's dogged her efforts all along?
She's got to simultaneously convince Leavers that she's going to extend, and Remainers that she's going to No Deal. How can she do both?
And is the threat of extension really a potent one, unless people think it's going to be the first of a series - which there's no reason to think the EU will allow?
I think it might not suffer from that problem. The proposal would be: 'We've run out of time. We need an extension to avoid total chaos in a few days' time, but the extension is only available if we sign up to the deal on offer.'
The complicating factor is that the government won't be the only one manoeuvring. The Yvette Cooper amendment is designed to provide a Revoke alternative to No Deal (effectively). However, it has some tricky procedural hurdles to overcome even if the initial amendment is passed (which I think it will be, with more Tory realists switching over, unless there's some other breakthrough in the meantime).
Sorry, I must have misunderstand what the two-pronged offensive was.
What you describe is what I'd been assuming would be the strategy - no extension unless the deal is passed.
Yes, that's what I meant by the two prongs. I should have made that clearer.
The political declaration isn’t legally binding so it’s irrelevant what that says re future customs arrangements .
It’s likely May will step down in the summer to be replaced by a hardline Brexiteer who will ditch the political declaration anyway .
That’s why any assurances by May about workers rights etc are worthless . Any Labour MP buying into her faux concern for workers needs their head tested .
If only March 29 was the end of this fiasco . Brexit and its fall out will go on and on .
And the chaos in the UK over the last two years is a good example to other EU nations of what to expect if any other country decides to go down this route .
UK negotiators have failed because they stupidly ignored that Brexit was a political project and yet expected the EU to view the negotiations in a different way .
The EU has never been just about economics , and that’s in a sense why we got to the Leave vote but it’s the very thing that also stops the EU from doing what’s just in their economic interest .
UK politicians fail to understand that Tusks emotional outbursts over the last few years come from his total belief in the EU project , just as those on the other side of the debate in the UK passionately believe in leaving .
You either get it or you don’t . I get Tusk because I get the EU , imperfect but at its heart a positive force .
Every time I cross a different border in the EU and see those stars welcoming me to another wonderful EU country I smile .
And every time I hear Ode To Joy my spirits soar .
Hopefully one day in the near future the UK returns to its place at the heart of Europe. Until then so long UK .
You annoyed the hell out of the rest of the EU but you will be missed .
If seeing a flag and hearing a bit of Beethoven (and by no means his best bit) makes your heart soar then you desperately need to get a life...or get laid... or anything that actually means something.
It is the equivalent of admitting you get a hard on from seeing a party political broadcast.
The political declaration isn’t legally binding so it’s irrelevant what that says re future customs arrangements .
It’s likely May will step down in the summer to be replaced by a hardline Brexiteer who will ditch the political declaration anyway .
That’s why any assurances by May about workers rights etc are worthless . Any Labour MP buying into her faux concern for workers needs their head tested .
If only March 29 was the end of this fiasco . Brexit and its fall out will go on and on .
And the chaos in the UK over the last two years is a good example to other EU nations of what to expect if any other country decides to go down this route .
UK negotiators have failed because they stupidly ignored that Brexit was a political project and yet expected the EU to view the negotiations in a different way .
The EU has never been just about economics , and that’s in a sense why we got to the Leave vote but it’s the very thing that also stops the EU from doing what’s just in their economic interest .
UK politicians fail to understand that Tusks emotional outbursts over the last few years come from his total belief in the EU project , just as those on the other side of the debate in the UK passionately believe in leaving .
You either get it or you don’t . I get Tusk because I get the EU , imperfect but at its heart a positive force .
Every time I cross a different border in the EU and see those stars welcoming me to another wonderful EU country I smile .
And every time I hear Ode To Joy my spirits soar .
Hopefully one day in the near future the UK returns to its place at the heart of Europe. Until then so long UK .
You annoyed the hell out of the rest of the EU but you will be missed .
If seeing a flag and hearing a bit of Beethoven (and by no means his best bit) makes your heart soar then you desperately need to get a life...or get laid... or anything that actually means something.
It is the equivalent of admitting you get a hard on from seeing a party political broadcast.
More seriously, no one who has watched the three excellent programmes on the ten years of EU crisis and has seen the utterly shameful and disgusting attitude the EU leaders have towards democracy should be in any doubt that the EU is a force for evil, not good.
Anyone got any idea why the FSTE is holding up so well, given all the Brexit uncertainty?
I can't think it's the prospect of bright sunlit uplands.
Well, the outlook for the FTSE100 is probably fairly Brexit neutral overall. If we crash out in chaos, the pound will collapse and all those foreign earnings will be worth more in sterling terms. Conversely if some kind of sensible transition is agreed (let alone revocation or delay for a referendum), the pound will rise but that will be offset by a big surge of relief and renewed confidence in the UK market. For that reason, my personal view is that FTSE100 trackers (which I wouldn't normally invest in, because the FTSE100 is such a bizarre, unbalanced, and over-concentrated index) are rather attractive at the moment.
For the smaller companies, more tied to the UK economy, the outlook is binary: crash out bad, deal or delay or revocation good. The market price is the weighted average of the two outcomes (overlaid of course on other factors). It's a risky play investing in the UK economy, but it could be a very profitable one if we don't crash out.
We will replace their models with Seat Exeo's and Skoda Superbs, and Hyundai's and Kia's.
The ability to use an apostrophe has definitely supplanted BMI as the most statistically reliable indicator of Leave/Remain proclivity.
Interesting. You have an antipathy for Leavers who are slapdash with their punctuation. Fair enough. It may seem pedantic to some, but it is important to you. Your call.
Except... you wrote THIS in January.
"Probably... May deposed and A50 revoked or at the very least delayed. What we lotophagi of pb.com often forget is how wildly popular No Deal will be among the belligerent shit munchers of the north who smoke cigarettes and have clothes with writing on it."
So you don't just believe some Leaver PB-ers are a bit cavalier with their semi-colons. You believe your fellow Britons - millions of them - who voted Leave, and who come from the north - literally eat human feces. They are "shit eaters". And you support this with the clinching evidence that they smoke cigarettes and have "clothes with writing on it".
I suggest you are a virulent, anti-white racist snob. You are a fucking disgrace to this site and the best thing you can do is apologise, grovel, then leave the site and never return.
I disagree - @Dura_Ace is one of the more interesting and often witty PB posters and certainly nowhere near as offensive as a fully tanked-up SeanT.
We will replace their models with Seat Exeo's and Skoda Superbs, and Hyundai's and Kia's.
The ability to use an apostrophe has definitely supplanted BMI as the most statistically reliable indicator of Leave/Remain proclivity.
Interesting. You have an antipathy for Leavers who are slapdash with their punctuation. Fair enough. It may seem pedantic to some, but it is important to you. Your call.
Except... you wrote THIS in January.
"Probably... May deposed and A50 revoked or at the very least delayed. What we lotophagi of pb.com often forget is how wildly popular No Deal will be among the belligerent shit munchers of the north who smoke cigarettes and have clothes with writing on it."
So you don't just believe some Leaver PB-ers are a bit cavalier with their semi-colons. You believe your fellow Britons - millions of them - who voted Leave, and who come from the north - literally eat human feces. They are "shit eaters". And you support this with the clinching evidence that they smoke cigarettes and have "clothes with writing on it".
I suggest you are a virulent, anti-white racist snob. You are a fucking disgrace to this site and the best thing you can do is apologise, grovel, then leave the site and never return.
"Probably... May deposed and A50 revoked or at the very least delayed. What we lotophagi of pb.com often forget is how wildly popular No Deal will be among the belligerent shit munchers of the north who smoke cigarettes and have clothes with writing on it."
That's pretty good. You should nick it for one of your books.
Anyone got any idea why the FSTE is holding up so well, given all the Brexit uncertainty?
I can't think it's the prospect of bright sunlit uplands.
Well, the outlook for the FTSE100 is probably fairly Brexit neutral overall. If we crash out in chaos, the pound will collapse and all those foreign earnings will be worth more in sterling terms. Conversely if some kind of sensible transition is agreed (let alone revocation or delay for a referendum), the pound will rise but that will be offset by a big surge of relief and renewed confidence in the UK market. For that reason, my personal view is that FTSE100 trackers (which I wouldn't normally invest in, because the FTSE100 is such a bizarre, unbalanced, and over-concentrated index) are rather attractive at the moment.
For the smaller companies, more tied to the UK economy, the outlook is binary: crash out bad, deal or delay or revocation good. The market price is the weighted average of the two outcomes (overlaid of course on other factors). It's a risky play investing in the UK economy, but it could be a very profitable one if we don't crash out.
The FTSE small cap and FTSE 250 have more UK companies and have followed a similar curve. Down a bit over recent months, but up over 2 years. It is a combination of foreign earnings, Sterling depreciation, bravado about a Deal, and genuine value searching.
Mostly though it is because people have to put their money somewhere. Interest rates are still on the floor, and housing bubble looks likely to deflate, so equities dont look so bad. My own are in a mixture of cash, defensive stocks and a few companies resilient to Brexit. I followed a similar strategy in Spring 2016, and bought back some of my more volatile stocks during the dip. I did pretty well.
We will replace their models with Seat Exeo's and Skoda Superbs, and Hyundai's and Kia's.
The ability to use an apostrophe has definitely supplanted BMI as the most statistically reliable indicator of Leave/Remain proclivity.
Interesting. You have an antipathy for Leavers who are slapdash with their punctuation. Fair enough. It may seem pedantic to some, but it is important to you. Your call.
Except... you wrote THIS in January.
"Probably... May deposed and A50 revoked or at the very least delayed. What we lotophagi of pb.com often forget is how wildly popular No Deal will be among the belligerent shit munchers of the north who smoke cigarettes and have clothes with writing on it."
So you don't just believe some Leaver PB-ers are a bit cavalier with their semi-colons. You believe your fellow Britons - millions of them - who voted Leave, and who come from the north - literally eat human feces. They are "shit eaters". And you support this with the clinching evidence that they smoke cigarettes and have "clothes with writing on it".
I suggest you are a virulent, anti-white racist snob. You are a fucking disgrace to this site and the best thing you can do is apologise, grovel, then leave the site and never return.
I am from the north , I don’t eat shit , I don’t smoke and I don’t wear clothes with writing on , but I voted leave , mainly because people like Dura Ace irritate the shit out of me
We will replace their models with Seat Exeo's and Skoda Superbs, and Hyundai's and Kia's.
The ability to use an apostrophe has definitely supplanted BMI as the most statistically reliable indicator of Leave/Remain proclivity.
Interesting. You have an antipathy for Leavers who are slapdash with their punctuation. Fair enough. It may seem pedantic to some, but it is important to you. Your call.
Except... you wrote THIS in January.
"Probably... May deposed and A50 revoked or at the very least delayed. What we lotophagi of pb.com often forget is how wildly popular No Deal will be among the belligerent shit munchers of the north who smoke cigarettes and have clothes with writing on it."
So you don't just believe some Leaver PB-ers are a bit cavalier with their semi-colons. You believe your fellow Britons - millions of them - who voted Leave, and who come from the north - literally eat human feces. They are "shit eaters". And you support this with the clinching evidence that they smoke cigarettes and have "clothes with writing on it".
I suggest you are a virulent, anti-white racist snob. You are a fucking disgrace to this site and the best thing you can do is apologise, grovel, then leave the site and never return.
I disagree - @Dura_Ace is one of the more interesting and often witty PB posters and certainly nowhere near as offensive as a fully tanked-up SeanT.
Dura is entertaining and SeanT should be one of the last posters to accuse others of being racist.
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It's why, horrible though it is, remaining really is the best option now - there's no f*cking way this absolute clownish group of incompetents manage anything worthwhile in the next phase.
He will have ups and downs but he is certainly in a good place to get the job
They were outclassed tonight but they have made great progress recently
How is your own learning mechanism doing these days? Still think that Jo Cox was killed as part of a false flag operation?
We will replace their models with Seat Exeo's and Skoda Superbs, and Hyundai's and Kia's.
Which means as you say our GDP will be ok'ish and Merkel still has a problem with production levels at those non premium car plants in Germany, as their largest market in the EU by quite a long way is the UK.
Also nobody has picked up on my point that there will be no effective commission in place until about September. With Selmayr in charge why will he agree to anything that we request?
Plus it is Leavers engaging in Project Fear.
https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1095272315569483776
Man Utd - 9 - 8 - 1 - 0 - 23 - 6 - 17 - 25
Liverpool - 9 - 6 - 2 - 1 - 22 - 8 - 14 - 20
Spurs - 8 - 6 - 0 - 2 - 20 - 8 - 12 - 18
Man City - 9 - 6 - 0 - 3 - 20 -10 -10 - 18
Arsenal - 9 - 5 - 1 - 3 - 16 -14 - 2 - 16
Watford - 9 - 3 - 4 - 2 - 11 - 9 - 2 - 13
Mind you Puels methods are beginning to bear fruit. We did the same to Loverpool and Spurs. We are losing by fine margins, like the Leicester Team of 14-15, it won't take a lot of improvement to be winning by fine margins. Leicester will learn to love Puel.
...so what?
May isn’t going to drive the country off a cliff to No Deal, if she has an option to extend. Why would she? Robbins doesn’t appear to me to be saying anything particularly spectacular.
From bean to cup, he fucks up.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
You cannot yet conceive just how many things will go wrong with him in post.
https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1095374079782281216
It’s likely May will step down in the summer to be replaced by a hardline Brexiteer who will ditch the political declaration anyway .
That’s why any assurances by May about workers rights etc are worthless . Any Labour MP buying into her faux concern for workers needs their head tested .
If only March 29 was the end of this fiasco . Brexit and its fall out will go on and on .
And the chaos in the UK over the last two years is a good example to other EU nations of what to expect if any other country decides to go down this route .
UK negotiators have failed because they stupidly ignored that Brexit was a political project and yet expected the EU to view the negotiations in a different way .
The EU has never been just about economics , and that’s in a sense why we got to the Leave vote but it’s the very thing that also stops the EU from doing what’s just in their economic interest .
UK politicians fail to understand that Tusks emotional outbursts over the last few years come from his total belief in the EU project , just as those on the other side of the debate in the UK passionately believe in leaving .
You either get it or you don’t . I get Tusk because I get the EU , imperfect but at its heart a positive force .
Every time I cross a different border in the EU and see those stars welcoming me to another wonderful EU country I smile .
And every time I hear Ode To Joy my spirits soar .
Hopefully one day in the near future the UK returns to its place at the heart of Europe. Until then so long UK .
You annoyed the hell out of the rest of the EU but you will be missed .
X The government are being sued by Eurotunnel over the way the contract was awarded.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1085815/brexit-news-eurotunnel-government-sued-ferry-contracts-brexit-latest-seaborne-freight
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1095454184953008128?s=19
Sounds a step up from the proposed No Deal Brexit Zombie Apocalypse.
Well [‘no offence to the Faroes’] it’s an improvement on Philip Thompson’s billing last night - “Brexit won’t be as bad as WW1”
Imagine it's the day before Brexit Day. What's the national interest that's protected, or the principle that's defended, by making the UK crash out tomorrow?
He may be crap but at least lets not say he is crap because of something he has not been asked to do.
Nicholas Grimshaw making a complete fool of himself on Newsnight.
Peace of mind.
Cunard welcomes the latest guidance from the UK government on passenger travel to the EU, that irrespective of the Brexit outcome cruise operations will continue on the same basis as today. As a trusted international British brand, we'd like to reassure all guests booking with Cunard that we will continue to offer peace of mind to everyone holidaying with us.
I wonder how hard their sales are currently being hit?
Though I think these done deals just replicate current EU deals, not "improve" upon them.
"Winston Churchill was a racist but still a great man
Daniel Finkelstein
It’s right to re-examine historical figures but acknowledging their flaws shouldn’t prevent them being seen as heroes"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/churchill-was-a-racist-but-still-a-great-man-vnhkhfnpm
She's got to simultaneously convince Leavers that she's going to extend, and Remainers that she's going to No Deal. How can she do both?
And is the threat of extension really a potent one, unless people think it's going to be the first of a series - which there's no reason to think the EU will allow?
That has been one of the best trade initiatives in recent decades.
The complicating factor is that the government won't be the only one manoeuvring. The Yvette Cooper amendment is designed to provide a Revoke alternative to No Deal (effectively). However, it has some tricky procedural hurdles to overcome even if the initial amendment is passed (which I think it will be, with more Tory realists switching over, unless there's some other breakthrough in the meantime).
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Neither side can reliably predict what she will do at any point, so they can both continue to believe in their particular unicorns for another 2 weeks
I can't think it's the prospect of bright sunlit uplands.
What you describe is what I'd been assuming would be the strategy - no extension unless the deal is passed.
For the smaller companies, more tied to the UK economy, the outlook is binary: crash out bad, deal or delay or revocation good. The market price is the weighted average of the two outcomes (overlaid of course on other factors). It's a risky play investing in the UK economy, but it could be a very profitable one if we don't crash out.
It is the equivalent of admitting you get a hard on from seeing a party political broadcast.
Brexit mean's Brexit!
Mostly though it is because people have to put their money somewhere. Interest rates are still on the floor, and housing bubble looks likely to deflate, so equities dont look so bad. My own are in a mixture of cash, defensive stocks and a few companies resilient to Brexit. I followed a similar strategy in Spring 2016, and bought back some of my more volatile stocks during the dip. I did pretty well.