I see a couple of pb’ers spouses are nurturing naive delusions (I could use stronger language) about John McDonnell. Perhaps he’ll be compared to Obama and Mother Theresa next.
Let’s not beat around the bush: he’s pure filth. A shit of the first order.
He’s no worse than Dominic Raab and Esther McVey.
Those two heard the Health Secretary say in the event of no deal he couldn’t guarantee people wouldn’t die because of No Deal but they put ideology ahead of compromise and saving people’s lives.
Can you 100% guarantee that no one will die because of your legal advice?
The enemies of Corbyn's Labour (especially the alt-Centrists amongst them) seem desperately unhappy that JC refuses to be drawn into acting prematurely on things. Just as he refused to be pointlessly and damagingly bounced into an early commitment and shutting down of room to manoeuvre on Brexit policy, which would have only been of advantage to the Tories and whatever's left of the Lib Dems (aka the increasingly deranged FBPE crowd), similarly keeping the powder dry on a VONC makes complete sense at the moment. Labour's policy of masterful inaction, only to strike at just the right moment, is by far the most sensible one, hence why it has garnered years of concern trolling from those desperate to back Corbyn into a corner.
He's based himself into a corner. Fence sitting is a fine tactic but once you have to get off the fence a decision is needed. When he says that as PM he would get the EU to give us I'll access to the single market having left it, he is offering the same unicorn cake as Theresa May. It simply isn't credible - and the majority of members want us to remain and expect him to get on with it
Everyone pre- and post-vote told us how easy and how many trade deals would be.
If we've learned anything at all, it's that Brexiteers have no idea whatsoever how international trade works.
Trying to think of a comparison, kind of thought of cloud computing. What you do is you essentially outsource the grunt of your IT services. You no longer maintain your independent email server and file server. When you do the sums, it offers quite a lot of savings, not all of them are immediately cashable. But it makes sense. However, someone points out that this is largely a one way process. Once you’ve done it, you’ll lose the capacity to do it for yourself, possibly forever, and even if the price is jacked up, it will still cost you more to get out and start up again. If you decide to try and reverse it, the longer you are part of the cloud, the more difficult it will be, and you’ll be starting afresh. Your staff will no longer have the skills to maintain their own infrastructure. Our scabby old exchange server can’t cope with what we all need and got used to.
We’ve essentially deskilled ourserlves by sub contracting out all our trade negotiations for forty years. It looked easy when we saw it all done on our behalf. We are going to have to learn them again, or opt back into the cloud comfort of the customs union.
Or to put exactly the same argument, by outsourcing the generic and rote activities to a central hub, Europe was able to devote more time and effort to increasing productivity, research and creativity. Another example of where working together is win win.
I don't think I have ever read a thread of comments here less on topic than this one. The header is about Labour's standing in Scotland, not Brexit. Labour has two big problems here. The first is that Richard Leonard, nominally in charge although Labour is a UK organisation, lacks any sort of charisma or original thought. How many of you even knew his name?
The second is that a significant swathe of Scottish working class voters have worked out that voting Labour and getting a Tory government is the UK default election result. For them Scottish independence is a much more direct way to get the redistributive policies they want. Whatever form Brexit takes, any new independence referendum is not going to offer the status quo as an alternative to independence. Voting to stay in the UK post Brexit is going to look less attractive than pre Brexit. If Labour in Scotland supported independence they would clean up. They might even form the first government of Scotland, or be in coalition. But they won't so they won't.
Corbyn is not ideologically wedded to the Union but he needs Scottish MP's to make up the Westminster numbers. He need not hold his breath; Labour's traditional vote is not coming back any time soon.
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The second is that a significant swathe of Scottish working class voters have worked out that voting Labour and getting a Tory government is the UK default election result. For them Scottish independence is a much more direct way to get the redistributive policies they want. Whatever form Brexit takes, any new independence referendum is not going to offer the status quo as an alternative to independence. Voting to stay in the UK post Brexit is going to look less attractive than pre Brexit. If Labour in Scotland supported independence they would clean up. They might even form the first government of Scotland, or be in coalition. But they won't so they won't.
Corbyn is not ideologically wedded to the Union but he needs Scottish MP's to make up the Westminster numbers. He need not hold his breath; Labour's traditional vote is not coming back any time soon.