Oh dear. Cable indicating his support for a Labour VoNC. The Lib Dems have just lost me as a voter.
The stamina May shows is astonishing.
Absolutely.
Parliament is acting like a bunch of children. May is one of the few there who is acting in a vaguely adult way. She is no political titan - but in the company of these fools, she is head and shoulders above the majority of MPs
Skinner is showing clear signs of senility with his sad contribution
I think we need an upper age limit on MPs.
I suggest 70.
Which would have meant that Churchill would have been forced to retire in 1944.
Well, it would have to be retirement at the first election after their 70th birthday, I suppose. Can't logically kick people out halfway through a term.
Precisely, it is about setting an upper limit for the age of candidates. We already have a lower limit. An upper limit seems eminently reasonable.
We have a lower limit because we have an age of majority. There is an obvious absurdity in allowing people to legislate on things they are banned from doing because they have not yet attained the age required to do it. It's completely different for an upper age.
You might as well use the same logic to require intelligence tests of candidates. Or perhaps physical tests too - after all, doing an MP's job properly requires stamina. You don't have to go far down that road before you seriously start compromising democracy.
Mrs M calling on some MPs to be honest that they want a second referendum. But why would anyone vote in one it? Seriously? If they won't implement the result unless THEY like it, there's surely no point at all They promised to implement this one but they had their fingers crossed firmly behind their backs.
I would give up on democracy if a second referendum happens. At my age, it would only mean as much tax avoidance as possible (not that I pay a lot), insulting any canvasser who comes to my door, and voting for Joe Stalin or Adolf Hitler. Rage, rage against the dying of the democratic light.
If the MPs had any brains, rather than just getting up and screaming people's vote, why not frame questions about what happens if you don't get any changes, what happens, where are we going....what happens if we no deal etc
Fiorello (Chico ) : Hey, wait, wait. What does this say here, this thing here? Driftwood (Groucho ): Oh, that? Oh, that's the usual clause that's in every contract. That just says, uh, it says, uh, if any of the parties participating in this contract are shown not to be in their right mind, the entire agreement is automatically nullified. Fiorello: Well, I don't know... Driftwood: It's all right. That's, that's in every contract. That's, that's what they call a sanity clause. Fiorello: Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
If the MPs had any brains, rather than just getting up and screaming people's vote, why not frame it as "well what happens if you don't get any changes, what happens, where are we going....what happens if we no deal etc"
Phillips did that and she just dodged the question and repeated her earlier answers
If the MPs had any brains, rather than just getting up and screaming people's vote, why not frame it as "well what happens if you don't get any changes, what happens, where are we going....what happens if we no deal etc"
Phillips did that and she just dodged the question and repeated her earlier answers
And that looks worse if you keep dodging the question. Rather than screaming people's vote 100 times and getting the same answer, I have already said, there won't be one.
Brexit is going to go down to the wire I think. 28th March, high drama.
I think May isn't going to let Brexiteers just get away with sabotaging it. She wants to hold their feet to the fire and force them to admit they've changed their minds.
It could be that the HoC twitter feed was referring to the meaningful vote ratifying the WA. if so, that would be right, I think. However, what isn't possible is to get to March 29 without any vote in the Commons mandated by the Act on something or other.
Listening to TM she knows her subject in such detail she can stand at the dispatch box for hours responding to questions in a calm, polite and firm manner
It is also clear that TM is brexiteers best chance of brexit. She is standing firm against all the calls for the peoples vote and is ramping up no deal planning. She confirms that the UK will leave in March 19
Listening to TM she knows her subject in such detail she can stand at the dispatch box for hours responding to questions in a calm, polite and firm manner
It is also clear that TM is brexiteers best chance of brexit. She is standing firm against all the calls for the peoples vote and is ramping up no deal planning. She confirms that the UK will leave in March 19
Oh dear. Cable indicating his support for a Labour VoNC. The Lib Dems have just lost me as a voter.
The stamina May shows is astonishing.
And only surpassed by her breathtaking inability to hear anything contrary to what she wants to hear.
That may be so. I was simply commenting on her physical and mental stamina in what is undoubtedly a stressful role while suffering from diabetes. As someone who suffers from asthma and who has worked in stressful jobs too, on a human level I sympathise with her, even while thinking that she is, alas, not the PM we needed at this time.
Listening to TM she knows her subject in such detail she can stand at the dispatch box for hours responding to questions in a calm, polite and firm manner
It is also clear that TM is brexiteers best chance of brexit. She is standing firm against all the calls for the peoples vote and is ramping up no deal planning. She confirms that the UK will leave in March 19
Listening to TM she knows her subject in such detail she can stand at the dispatch box for hours responding to questions in a calm, polite and firm manner
It is also clear that TM is brexiteers best chance of brexit. She is standing firm against all the calls for the peoples vote and is ramping up no deal planning. She confirms that the UK will leave in March 19
It is actually quite easy to give the same monotonous answer time and time again. A better politician would have avoided this.
Well, turns out that May can put off the meaningful vote, and she has decided to dig her heels in after all. Does anyone know why?
Insofar as I can see, there are only two explanations:
(a) a desperate attempt to cling to power, for its own sake, for as long as possible (b) it's all part of a plan of unparalleled political genius, which will end in her somehow getting her deal onto the statute book without destroying her own party and provoking the DUP to bring down her Government
This government is a complete disgrace. They've wasted two years and now normal people like myself are anxious about our future. There's no guarantee I will be able to get my medicine from Denmark or Netherlands past March next year. Disgrace.
Labour members outside of the hard brexiters amongst them that voted for Art 50 must be feeling sick ! Perhaps they should have thought a little harder - I must say I was amazed with the amount of votes Art 50 received.
So what reason do avid Conservative Remainer MPs have to defer putting in their letters to Sir Graham now?
Fear of getting worse.
I repeat the question.
Theresa May is used up, like a squeezed lemon.
Who do you (a) think will replace her; (b) want to replace her?
(a) Mystic Meeks ain't that good. On the grounds that the Conservatives will choose the worst but superficially most appealing choice, Dominic Raab.
(b) Roughly 40 Conservative MPs are looking at themselves in the mirror today and perceiving the noble visage of the next First Lord of the Treasury.
Thanks.
Re (b) I was wondering what your personal preference for next Tory PM might be.
Raab is a nitwit. I hope it’s not him.
There are slim pickings. But it is time for someone else to be thrown in front of the Brexit juggernaut.
Despite being wildly unsuitable in many ways, I think the least bad choice is probably Michael Gove. He is both committed to Brexit and willing to compromise in the country's interest. Since he seems to be the only person occupying that position in the Venn diagram, I think it has to be him.
Mr. Gate, I hope there's no difficulty for you. Some months ago I recall a number of drugs firms committing to ensuring there was no such problem (and I imagine they said much the same in the other direction).
May's real problem is people distrust the EU - even some Remainers. So unless a deal is nailed down, they'll assume the worst. Anyway, as Mr T says, it's getting boring. Wake me up when we're out, or the real fascists succeed in getting a second referendum.
This government is a complete disgrace. They've wasted two years and now normal people like myself are anxious about our future. There's no guarantee I will be able to get my medicine from Denmark or Netherlands past March next year. Disgrace.
Don’t worry. There’s a pro Remain majority in the Commons.
They’ll vote to revoke a50 if No Deal looks likely.
So what reason do avid Conservative Remainer MPs have to defer putting in their letters to Sir Graham now?
Fear of getting worse.
I repeat the question.
Theresa May is used up, like a squeezed lemon.
Who do you (a) think will replace her; (b) want to replace her?
(a) Mystic Meeks ain't that good. On the grounds that the Conservatives will choose the worst but superficially most appealing choice, Dominic Raab.
(b) Roughly 40 Conservative MPs are looking at themselves in the mirror today and perceiving the noble visage of the next First Lord of the Treasury.
Thanks.
Re (b) I was wondering what your personal preference for next Tory PM might be.
Raab is a nitwit. I hope it’s not him.
There are slim pickings. But it is time for someone else to be thrown in front of the Brexit juggernaut.
Despite being wildly unsuitable in many ways, I think the least bad choice is probably Michael Gove. He is both committed to Brexit and willing to compromise in the country's interest. Since he seems to be the only person occupying that position in the Venn diagram, I think it has to be him.
What happened to the circle around those who aren't tits or shits?
There are slim pickings. But it is time for someone else to be thrown in front of the Brexit juggernaut.
Despite being wildly unsuitable in many ways, I think the least bad choice is probably Michael Gove. He is both committed to Brexit and willing to compromise in the country's interest. Since he seems to be the only person occupying that position in the Venn diagram, I think it has to be him.
Is he the only Tory politician hated by more of his peers than May (on the assumption that Bercow is ineligible...) ?
So what reason do avid Conservative Remainer MPs have to defer putting in their letters to Sir Graham now?
Fear of getting worse.
I repeat the question.
Theresa May is used up, like a squeezed lemon.
Who do you (a) think will replace her; (b) want to replace her?
(a) Mystic Meeks ain't that good. On the grounds that the Conservatives will choose the worst but superficially most appealing choice, Dominic Raab.
(b) Roughly 40 Conservative MPs are looking at themselves in the mirror today and perceiving the noble visage of the next First Lord of the Treasury.
Thanks.
Re (b) I was wondering what your personal preference for next Tory PM might be.
Raab is a nitwit. I hope it’s not him.
There are slim pickings. But it is time for someone else to be thrown in front of the Brexit juggernaut.
Despite being wildly unsuitable in many ways, I think the least bad choice is probably Michael Gove. He is both committed to Brexit and willing to compromise in the country's interest. Since he seems to be the only person occupying that position in the Venn diagram, I think it has to be him.
He also has the same IQ as most of the other candidates combined.
Anyway, for each day this drags on the likelihood of either Hard Brexit or a political realignment seems to increase. If it's the former then the Brexiteers clearly get what they want; the latter, and we'll likely end up either with a Brexit Government now, or a Brexit Opposition now and a Brexit Government later.
Regardless, despite all the caterwauling about the 'People's Vote' and mass demos waving EU flags and the majority of the current Parliament being horrified at the prospect of No Deal, is a final rupture with the EU merely a matter of time?
So what reason do avid Conservative Remainer MPs have to defer putting in their letters to Sir Graham now?
Fear of getting worse.
I repeat the question.
Theresa May is used up, like a squeezed lemon.
Who do you (a) think will replace her; (b) want to replace her?
(a) Mystic Meeks ain't that good. On the grounds that the Conservatives will choose the worst but superficially most appealing choice, Dominic Raab.
(b) Roughly 40 Conservative MPs are looking at themselves in the mirror today and perceiving the noble visage of the next First Lord of the Treasury.
Thanks.
Re (b) I was wondering what your personal preference for next Tory PM might be.
Raab is a nitwit. I hope it’s not him.
There are slim pickings. But it is time for someone else to be thrown in front of the Brexit juggernaut.
Despite being wildly unsuitable in many ways, I think the least bad choice is probably Michael Gove. He is both committed to Brexit and willing to compromise in the country's interest. Since he seems to be the only person occupying that position in the Venn diagram, I think it has to be him.
He also has the same IQ as most of the other candidates combined.
I understand Gove as a suggestion - but does he resolve anything?
Could he get a deal - or optically get a deal at least - that wins the vote?
This government is a complete disgrace. They've wasted two years and now normal people like myself are anxious about our future. There's no guarantee I will be able to get my medicine from Denmark or Netherlands past March next year. Disgrace.
Don’t worry. There’s a pro Remain majority in the Commons.
They’ll vote to revoke a50 if No Deal looks likely.
This government is a complete disgrace. They've wasted two years and now normal people like myself are anxious about our future. There's no guarantee I will be able to get my medicine from Denmark or Netherlands past March next year. Disgrace.
Don’t worry. There’s a pro Remain majority in the Commons.
They’ll vote to revoke a50 if No Deal looks likely.
There are slim pickings. But it is time for someone else to be thrown in front of the Brexit juggernaut.
Despite being wildly unsuitable in many ways, I think the least bad choice is probably Michael Gove. He is both committed to Brexit and willing to compromise in the country's interest. Since he seems to be the only person occupying that position in the Venn diagram, I think it has to be him.
What happened to the circle around those who aren't tits or shits?
This is the Conservative party we're talking about.
There are slim pickings. But it is time for someone else to be thrown in front of the Brexit juggernaut.
Despite being wildly unsuitable in many ways, I think the least bad choice is probably Michael Gove. He is both committed to Brexit and willing to compromise in the country's interest. Since he seems to be the only person occupying that position in the Venn diagram, I think it has to be him.
Is he the only Tory politician hated by more of his peers than May (on the assumption that Bercow is ineligible...) ?
Likeability is only a nice-to-have in these desperate times.
There are slim pickings. But it is time for someone else to be thrown in front of the Brexit juggernaut.
Despite being wildly unsuitable in many ways, I think the least bad choice is probably Michael Gove. He is both committed to Brexit and willing to compromise in the country's interest. Since he seems to be the only person occupying that position in the Venn diagram, I think it has to be him.
He also has the same IQ as most of the other candidates combined.
Well, turns out that May can put off the meaningful vote, and she has decided to dig her heels in after all. Does anyone know why?
Insofar as I can see, there are only two explanations:
(a) a desperate attempt to cling to power, for its own sake, for as long as possible (b) it's all part of a plan of unparalleled political genius, which will end in her somehow getting her deal onto the statute book without destroying her own party and provoking the DUP to bring down her Government
Or is there something I'm missing here?
I think it is A from your choice. She is trying to correlate her survival to the National Interest in getting the deal through. It is pretty transparent as a strategy and MPs can see it for what it is clinging on to power. I am vexed on this deal as the deal is obviously better than No Deal, however the May Deal is less good than the current Deal: continuing membership of the EU.
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They are all shocking.
As for "going forward with a modern parliament" - double-klaxon for pointless platitudes.
May just needs to delay the MV to 28th March.
Parliament is acting like a bunch of children. May is one of the few there who is acting in a vaguely adult way. She is no political titan - but in the company of these fools, she is head and shoulders above the majority of MPs
(b) Roughly 40 Conservative MPs are looking at themselves in the mirror today and perceiving the noble visage of the next First Lord of the Treasury.
Sadly no-one else did...
You might as well use the same logic to require intelligence tests of candidates. Or perhaps physical tests too - after all, doing an MP's job properly requires stamina. You don't have to go far down that road before you seriously start compromising democracy.
I would give up on democracy if a second referendum happens. At my age, it would only mean as much tax avoidance as possible (not that I pay a lot), insulting any canvasser who comes to my door, and voting for Joe Stalin or Adolf Hitler. Rage, rage against the dying of the democratic light.
Labour needs pushing to get off the fence and actually take a position.
Fiorello (Chico ) : Hey, wait, wait. What does this say here, this thing here?
Driftwood (Groucho ): Oh, that? Oh, that's the usual clause that's in every contract. That just says, uh, it says, uh, if any of the parties participating in this contract are shown not to be in their right mind, the entire agreement is automatically nullified.
Fiorello: Well, I don't know...
Driftwood: It's all right. That's, that's in every contract. That's, that's what they call a sanity clause.
Fiorello: Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
Re (b) I was wondering what your personal preference for next Tory PM might be.
Raab is a nitwit. I hope it’s not him.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/16/section/13
It could be that the HoC twitter feed was referring to the meaningful vote ratifying the WA. if so, that would be right, I think. However, what isn't possible is to get to March 29 without any vote in the Commons mandated by the Act on something or other.
It is also clear that TM is brexiteers best chance of brexit. She is standing firm against all the calls for the peoples vote and is ramping up no deal planning. She confirms that the UK will leave in March 19
It is getting very, very, very tiresome
(from MPs on all sides)
That may be so. I was simply commenting on her physical and mental stamina in what is undoubtedly a stressful role while suffering from diabetes. As someone who suffers from asthma and who has worked in stressful jobs too, on a human level I sympathise with her, even while thinking that she is, alas, not the PM we needed at this time.
https://twitter.com/stevenjay/status/1072158549306994689?s=21
https://twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/1072166252423061504?s=21
Well, turns out that May can put off the meaningful vote, and she has decided to dig her heels in after all. Does anyone know why?
Insofar as I can see, there are only two explanations:
(a) a desperate attempt to cling to power, for its own sake, for as long as possible
(b) it's all part of a plan of unparalleled political genius, which will end in her somehow getting her deal onto the statute book without destroying her own party and provoking the DUP to bring down her Government
Or is there something I'm missing here?
Perhaps they should have thought a little harder - I must say I was amazed with the amount of votes Art 50 received.
Despite being wildly unsuitable in many ways, I think the least bad choice is probably Michael Gove. He is both committed to Brexit and willing to compromise in the country's interest. Since he seems to be the only person occupying that position in the Venn diagram, I think it has to be him.
They’ll vote to revoke a50 if No Deal looks likely.
He works tirelessly for people in the area including doing several things for my family.
If more politicians were like him they would be held in higher regard.
Regardless, despite all the caterwauling about the 'People's Vote' and mass demos waving EU flags and the majority of the current Parliament being horrified at the prospect of No Deal, is a final rupture with the EU merely a matter of time?
That odious former Monday Club member deserves to be put in his place.
Could he get a deal - or optically get a deal at least - that wins the vote?