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Although I disagree with her on so many things you can but admire the way she is holding on and battling forward in spite of all the obstacles and setbacks. This was always going to be a very difficult period for the Prime Minister who took over shortly after the referendum in July 2016 never more so than today.

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  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    edited November 2018
    First like Jack Leach
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,676
    Unlike her enemies, she ended the day with her dignity intact.
  • Coy tracey
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871
    Fourth
  • My, she is tenacious, isn't she?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    May is easy to shift. It just requires the Brexiteers to be able to count.

    Hang on, may be a slight flaw in the plan...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,742

    My, she is tenacious, isn't she?

    Unflushable.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Is there a list somewhere of those MPs who've publicly admitted to sending a letter so far?
  • Clearly the letters to Brady have all been posted early on pb.com threads and lost in the bowels of the vanilla commenting system.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier
  • I think we should pay a lot less attention to the ERG in future. They are clearly not the well-organised highly disciplined party within a party that the media have portrayed.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet

    They never had the numbers. And they can't count.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,676
    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    Feeble. Less ERG more ER?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    edited November 2018
    Our Ambassador to Burma wrote his Master's Thesis on the Oasis song 'Wonderwall' according to 'Inside the FO' on BBC2
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    AndyJS said:

    Is there a list somewhere of those MPs who've publicly admitted to sending a letter so far?

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-may-letters-factbox/factbox-who-has-submitted-letters-of-no-confidence-in-pm-may-idUKKCN1NK2AU
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    I think we should pay a lot less attention to the ERG in future.

    If Cameron had faced down the swivel-eyed loons we wouldn't be in this mess
  • If the 48-threshold is reached tomorrow does that mean the vote wouldn't happen until Monday so this would be hanging over everyone all weekend with a VONC called but not yet having happened?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    I think it is far too early to call the ERG’s move a failure.

    I wish they hadn’t done it, but they generally achieve their objectives when they act.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    So why did their unofficial leader call a big press conference and state that he was doing so himself?
  • HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    I think they should seriously consider re-branding - for a group with that "R" in the title, they seem to do precious little research.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    alex. said:

    So why did their unofficial leader call a big press conference and state that he was doing so himself?

    He's a twat. And can't count
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Is there a list somewhere of those MPs who've publicly admitted to sending a letter so far?

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-may-letters-factbox/factbox-who-has-submitted-letters-of-no-confidence-in-pm-may-idUKKCN1NK2AU
    Thanks very much. 14 isn't very many to declare openly.
  • Mortimer said:

    I think it is far too early to call the ERG’s move a failure.

    I wish they hadn’t done it, but they generally achieve their objectives when they act.

    Only because no-one has called their bluff before. Now it has been called and we find that Jacob wasn't holding a winning hand after all.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Mortimer said:

    I think it is far too early to call the ERG’s move a failure.

    I wish they hadn’t done it, but they generally achieve their objectives when they act.

    For an organisation that has been “achieving its objectives” for a long period of time, they sure don’t seem very happy.
  • Scott_P said:

    I think we should pay a lot less attention to the ERG in future.

    If Cameron had faced down the swivel-eyed loons we wouldn't be in this mess
    He didn't even need to face them down. All he needed to do was ignore them.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,627
    Anybody heard anything from Javid today? Hunt? Boris?

  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127

    Mortimer said:

    I think it is far too early to call the ERG’s move a failure.

    I wish they hadn’t done it, but they generally achieve their objectives when they act.

    Only because no-one has called their bluff before. Now it has been called and we find that Jacob wasn't holding a winning hand after all.
    If Brady received the 48th letter the afternoon, for example, I doubt anything would have happened yet. And probably wouldn’t until Monday.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    alex. said:


    For an organisation that has been “achieving its objectives” for a long period of time, they sure don’t seem very happy.

    Maybe they are tired of all the winning. So much winning. The best.
  • HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    I think they should seriously consider re-branding - for a group with that "R" in the title, they seem to do precious little research.
    Nor, does it seem, they are actually a group...
  • HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    That has been so obvious for so long. They are a shambles
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    In that case, May ought to be encouraging her loyalists to send in letters to settle the issue for a year.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453


    He didn't even need to face them down. All he needed to do was ignore them.

    Sadly true
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    I think they should seriously consider re-branding - for a group with that "R" in the title, they seem to do precious little research.
    Nor, does it seem, they are actually a group...
    Ironically, they are European, even if they don't want to be.
  • If the 48-threshold is reached tomorrow does that mean the vote wouldn't happen until Monday so this would be hanging over everyone all weekend with a VONC called but not yet having happened?

    Frankly I do not care. TM would win hands down
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,676

    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    That has been so obvious for so long. They are a shambles
    They look foolish and cheap. May looks honourable. She won the day.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T:

    Greens almost there in Germany.


    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects

    Germany, Infratest dimap poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 26% (+1)
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 23% (+4)
    AfD-EFDD: 14% (-2)
    SPD-S&D: 14%
    LINKE-LEFT: 9%
    FDP-ALDE: 8% (-3)

    Field work: 12/11/18 – 14/11/18
    Sample size: 1,506"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    So why did their unofficial leader call a big press conference and state that he was doing so himself?
    Mogg apparently has had to pull back after divisions emerged at the ERG meeting of about 30-40 ERG MPs tonight with reservations over launcing a VONC now
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,676
    HYUFD said:

    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    So why did their unofficial leader call a big press conference and state that he was doing so himself?
    Mogg apparently has had to pull back after divisions emerged at the ERG meeting of about 30-40 ERG MPs tonight with reservations over launcing a VONC now
    Pathetic.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    I would just like to say that Rees Mogg is a prat of epic proportions.

    A demain...
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Foxy said:

    My, she is tenacious, isn't she?

    Unflushable.
    Is she a floater?

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Jonathan said:

    Unlike her enemies, she ended the day with her dignity intact.

    Not so sure about that

  • Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    I think it is far too early to call the ERG’s move a failure.

    I wish they hadn’t done it, but they generally achieve their objectives when they act.

    Only because no-one has called their bluff before. Now it has been called and we find that Jacob wasn't holding a winning hand after all.
    If Brady received the 48th letter the afternoon, for example, I doubt anything would have happened yet. And probably wouldn’t until Monday.
    Yes. That is possible. I made the argument myself earlier.

    I suppose I was expecting that they would know who had sent a letter in, even if some of those who had didn't want to be public about it. But this doesn't seem to be the case.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    That has been so obvious for so long. They are a shambles
    They look foolish and cheap. May looks honourable. She won the day.
    She should get a dozen or so of her supporters to put letters in to provoke a VoNC.

    But she won't - she too ethical for that.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Re Thread header - your first sentence absolutely summarises my feelings too Mike.
  • Mogg is Tony Marlow, circa 1995.
  • Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    That has been so obvious for so long. They are a shambles
    They look foolish and cheap. May looks honourable. She won the day.
    She should get a dozen or so of her supporters to put letters in to provoke a VoNC.

    But she won't - she too ethical for that.
    I think she is wise not to dignify the moggsters by calling her own vnoc

    Today has seen ERG exposed as a sham and no doubt added many to TM cause in her mps
  • eekeek Posts: 28,409
    48th - which is about 30 more than Mogg can count to by the looks of it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,742
    HYUFD said:

    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    So why did their unofficial leader call a big press conference and state that he was doing so himself?
    Mogg apparently has had to pull back after divisions emerged at the ERG meeting of about 30-40 ERG MPs tonight with reservations over launcing a VONC now
    Why do the words "piss up" and "in a brewery" spring to mind in whenever a Brexiteer hoves into view?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    edited November 2018
    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Greens almost there in Germany.


    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects

    Germany, Infratest dimap poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 26% (+1)
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 23% (+4)
    AfD-EFDD: 14% (-2)
    SPD-S&D: 14%
    LINKE-LEFT: 9%
    FDP-ALDE: 8% (-3)

    Field work: 12/11/18 – 14/11/18
    Sample size: 1,506"

    AfD also level with SPD, even if Greens get closer to the CDU, CDU + AfD are now on 40%, 3% ahead of SPD + Greens on 37%.

    The main movement is still SPD to Green, especially as the CDU are also up 1% in this poll
  • Talking of Bridgen's brigade.... this has aged well

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1062831927231741953
  • AndyJS said:

    Is there a list somewhere of those MPs who've publicly admitted to sending a letter so far?

    14 last I heard.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,676
    I wonder if letters have been withdrawn today. I would not be surprised. If I were Brady I would actively confirm the old ones were still active.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871

    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    I think they should seriously consider re-branding - for a group with that "R" in the title, they seem to do precious little research.
    Nor, does it seem, they are actually a group...
    And they certainly aren't very European.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    If the 48-threshold is reached tomorrow does that mean the vote wouldn't happen until Monday so this would be hanging over everyone all weekend with a VONC called but not yet having happened?

    It's a very big 'if' by the look of it.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    The damage to the Brexit cause from having Rees Mogg as their most prominent spokesman must be incalculable. He looks like a caricature of upper class twit of the year and if Theresa May gets to stay on she'll largely owe it to Jacob.
  • Jonathan said:

    I wonder if letters have been withdrawn today. I would not be surprised. If I were Brady I would actively confirm the old ones were still active.

    I am not sure he is allowed to comment on the numbers until 48 are confirmed
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Jonathan said:

    I wonder if letters have been withdrawn today. I would not be surprised. If I were Brady I would actively confirm the old ones were still active.

    Yeah I imagine some people panic withdrew after Mogg's stupid stunt.
  • Roger said:

    The damage to the Brexit cause from having Rees Mogg as their most prominent spokesman must be incalculable. He looks like a caricature of upper class twit of the year and if Theresa May gets to stay on she'll largely owe it to Jacob.

    I agree
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    Roger said:

    The damage to the Brexit cause from having Rees Mogg as their most prominent spokesman must be incalculable. He looks like a caricature of upper class twit of the year and if Theresa May gets to stay on she'll largely owe it to Jacob.

    Rogerdamus has just doomed the PM...
  • HYUFD said:

    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apparently the ERG have decided not to send in all their letters yet as they do not have the numbers to topple her which means a VONC now would see her stay in place for a year and she could not then be replaced until after Brexit according to C4 news earlier

    So why did their unofficial leader call a big press conference and state that he was doing so himself?
    Mogg apparently has had to pull back after divisions emerged at the ERG meeting of about 30-40 ERG MPs tonight with reservations over launcing a VONC now
    They can't even knife their leader properly. Useless pillocks.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    When the story of Brexit is written, the change of editor at the Daily Mail may prove to be decisive
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Greens almost there in Germany.


    "Europe Elects
    @EuropeElects

    Germany, Infratest dimap poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 26% (+1)
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 23% (+4)
    AfD-EFDD: 14% (-2)
    SPD-S&D: 14%
    LINKE-LEFT: 9%
    FDP-ALDE: 8% (-3)

    Field work: 12/11/18 – 14/11/18
    Sample size: 1,506"

    AfD also level with SPD, even if Greens get closer to the CDU, CDU + AfD are now on 40%, 3% ahead of SPD + Greens on 37%.

    The main movement is still SPD to Green, especially as the CDU are also up 1% in this poll
    What the CDU plus AfD are is irrelevant. The CDU will not work with them. Far more likely to work with Greens, as in Hesse. That is a clear majority.
  • Jonathan said:

    I wonder if letters have been withdrawn today. I would not be surprised. If I were Brady I would actively confirm the old ones were still active.

    I am not sure he is allowed to comment on the numbers until 48 are confirmed
    I'm surprised I have to say, but it seems they haven't got the numbers. Pathetic.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,676
    I get the impression that the serious politicians said as little as possible today.
  • Scott_P said:
    Bloody hell.

    Talk about the editorship being in new hands.

    Stunning from the Mail...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,134
    edited November 2018
    Scott_P said:
    Need a chess grandmaster....Don’t 90% of chess matches end up in a drawn out stalemate these days?
  • Scott_P said:

    When the story of Brexit is written, the change of editor at the Daily Mail may prove to be decisive

    And their circulation is up
  • AmpfieldAndyAmpfieldAndy Posts: 1,445
    edited November 2018
    Tellls you what muppets the Tory Brexiteers are that Graham Brady still hasn’t received 48 letters after May produces a complete capitluation to the EU over Brexit. Tory Brexiteers are all mouth and no trousers.
  • Dacre is gone.

  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,855
    edited November 2018
    Jonathan said:

    I get the impression that the serious politicians said as little as possible today.

    Didn't hear a peep out of certain Cabinet ministers, Javid, Hammond etc.

    Much like yesterday, they let the idiots rush to the 24 hour news channels, and sat it out. Wise.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,743
    Scott_P said:
    Calls the Brexiteers “peacocking saboteurs”.
  • Scott_P said:
    Calls the Brexiteers “peacocking saboteurs”.
    180 degree turn in only a few months. Amazing.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Scott_P said:
    Hah - I bet he buys stocks at their peak too.
  • Tellls you what muppets the Tory Brexiteers are that Graham Brady still hasn’t received 48 letters after May produces a complete capitluation to the EU over Brexit. Tory Brexiteers are all mouth and no trousers.

    Indeed.

    It seems changing PM is not quite as easy as ordering Nanny to change another nappy.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    Scott_P said:

    When the story of Brexit is written, the change of editor at the Daily Mail may prove to be decisive

    And their circulation is up
    No that can't be right Big_G - because we were assured their editorial line would change back to headbanger Brexit as their circulation declined.


    Or could it just be that DM readers actually quite admire TMay and respect loyalty?
  • Scott_P said:
    Bit difficult if the govenment takes the amendments first before the meaningful vote, as has been muted
  • Jonathan said:

    I get the impression that the serious politicians said as little as possible today.

    Didn't hear a peep out of certain Cabinet ministers, Javid, Hammond etc.

    Much like yesterday, they let the idiots rush to the 24 hour news channels, and sat it out. Wise.
    Hammond is one of the main reasons the Brexit deal is so toxic as he has refused funding for no deal preparation which means we have no negotiating leverage. Javid is a straw man who blows with the wind.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    Scott_P said:
    Very interesting. There could be an HoC majority for that... and it will strengthen the resolve of Conservative Remainers (and soft-Remainers) not to capitulate to May's deal.
  • Scott_P said:

    When the story of Brexit is written, the change of editor at the Daily Mail may prove to be decisive

    And their circulation is up
    Seems the owner has played a blinder.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    Tellls you what muppets the Tory Brexiteers are that Graham Brady still hasn’t received 48 letters after May produces a complete capitluation to the EU over Brexit. Tory Brexiteers are all mouth and no trousers.

    Indeed.

    It seems changing PM is not quite as easy as ordering Nanny to change another nappy.
    Very good! :lol:
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,724
    FPT
    The monster of Berlaymont's hatred of Britain wins through.

    Fraser:

    But the risk, here was always that the EU would take Britain’s best offer then demand more. This is precisely what has just happened. Raab discovered at the last minute that the “backstop” clause for Northern Ireland was no longer a last resort, no longer a bridge to a proper free-trade deal. It was to become the basis on which the final Brexit deal would be built. This had been sneaked into the text at the last minute – with Raab only finding about it once the deal was agreed by No 10.

    Perhaps the worst of it was the union. British negotiators picked up word that Martin Selmayr, the chief Brussels bureaucrat, had told his officials that the UK must pay a price for Brexit – and that the price is Northern Ireland. He wanted the Brexit transition deal to be written in such a way that, if the United Kingdom wanted to break free and strike a new arrangement, it would have no choice but to leave Northern Ireland behind.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/15/despite-revulsion-mrs-mays-deal-confident-opponents-wont-move

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Scott_P said:

    "A majority of them just want to get on with it" sounds like common sense has not completely left the cabinet.
  • Scott_P said:
    Very interesting. There could be an HoC majority for that... and it will strengthen the resolve of Conservative Remainers (and soft-Remainers) not to capitulate to May's deal.
    But as I have just said, amendments are to be voted on first before the vote on the deal
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    edited November 2018

    Jonathan said:

    I get the impression that the serious politicians said as little as possible today.

    Didn't hear a peep out of certain Cabinet ministers, Javid, Hammond etc.

    Much like yesterday, they let the idiots rush to the 24 hour news channels, and sat it out. Wise.
    Hammond is one of the main reasons the Brexit deal is so toxic as he has refused funding for no deal preparation which means we have no negotiating leverage. Javid is a straw man who blows with the wind.
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  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127

    Scott_P said:
    Very interesting. There could be an HoC majority for that... and it will strengthen the resolve of Conservative Remainers (and soft-Remainers) not to capitulate to May's deal.
    And when it fails to control immigration, the public will be fuming.

    Remain MPs playing silly buggers and not respecting the result won’t end well.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Scott_P said:
    Yes they have. Wood and trees.

    Of course you can slice it up and pick out the holes. But back in the real world compromise was going to be needed. We now have a deal on the table that is miles better than Cameron’s offering, and critically changes the direction of the ever closer union ratchet. Take it, get it through, and time is on your side Jacob. Over the years we will separate further. Don’t, and you risk nothing, with all the bitterness still festering ( I really fear for us if we do not leave, and trash democracy in the process without having addressed any of Leavers’ concerns, which will not evaporate no matter how much Adonis et al think they will).

    Jacob: Take it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202

    Jonathan said:

    I get the impression that the serious politicians said as little as possible today.

    Didn't hear a peep out of certain Cabinet ministers, Javid, Hammond etc.

    Much like yesterday, they let the idiots rush to the 24 hour news channels, and sat it out. Wise.
    Hammond is one of the main reasons the Brexit deal is so toxic as he has refused funding for no deal preparation which means we have no negotiating leverage. Javid is a straw man who blows with the wind.
    Just 32% support No Deal with Sky News today, there is no point preparing for it as there is not enough support for it in the country.


    If No Deal had 50% support that would be a different matter but it does not

    https://news.sky.com/story/majority-of-brits-now-against-brexit-and-back-second-eu-referendum-sky-data-poll-11555078
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    edited November 2018
    Scott_P said:
    Could pass just if Corbyn and McDonnell back it with Labour (bar Hoey, Field and Stringer), LD, SNP, PC, Green + Tory Remainer voters but EEA means free movement and single market and UKIP back with a vengeance
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