Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No Deal though not only risks an economic crash but the end of the Union and Scotland voting for independence.
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
Many of them seem to believe that no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit. And if so, should not moan if they don't get Brexit after all.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
I always thought of it as a time to mourn for lives needlessly lost and a reminder of the futility of war rather than glorifying it
That is what it should be. What it has turned into in the last few years is close to grotesque.
I've notice no big change at all since I was a child.
It depends how old you are.
Football fixtures with embroidered poppies on the shirts are a new thing for example. I was at the first ever one in 2003 (Leicester vs Blackburn), now it is ubiquitous. I don't object, and seeing the matchball delivered by the army helicopter has some amusement factor, but does it have the same significance to our Danish, German, Austrian, Nigerian, Ghanaian, Portuguese, Malian, Algerian and French players?
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
Last time I looked, the DUP democratically represents one of the four component countries of the United Kingdom. They represent their loyalist voters in Westminster. (That Sinn Fein chooses not to take their seats is for them to consider. But for now, the only voice of Northern Ireland in Westminster is the DUP, whose members voted overwhelmingly to Brexit.) As democratically elected representatives, they have every right - probably more so - to "influence the process" than the arch-Remainers of Soubry and Clarke and Grieve and Wollaston, who were elected as Conservative MPs under a Manifesto that pledged to Brexit whilst exiting the CU.
Theresa May gave the DUP their power by calling a wholly unnecesary General Election. The DUP are happily playing the hand dealt them. If our Government took some lessons and played with the same steely determination in their dealings with Brussels, we might have got somewhere sooner. Indeed, Cameron might not have lost the Referendum in the first place.
Some of the attitudes expressed about the Northern Irish on this site in recent days have shown up a number of the posters on this site in a very poor light.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
I always thought of it as a time to mourn for lives needlessly lost and a reminder of the futility of war rather than glorifying it
That is what it should be. What it has turned into in the last few years is close to grotesque.
I've notice no big change at all since I was a child.
I have. It was a small poppy one wore, understated.
Now there are massive ones available, ones you can stick on the front of your car etc.
No one now has a personal memory of anyone who fought and died in the 1914-18 war and you'd have to be over 80 to remember anyone who fought and died in the 1939-45 war . So wearing a poppy can't be personal.
Is it a) to honour the long dead who died in war or b) to remind ourselves of the horror of war?
If it is a) why restrict it to WW1 and WW2. Why not the Boer war or 1066?
If it is b) why a poppy? Why not a picture of a mutilated child or a devastated city? A poppy is too pretty.
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
Last time I looked, the DUP democratically represents one of the four component countries of the United Kingdom. They represent their loyalist voters in Westminster. (That Sinn Fein chooses not to take their seats is for them to consider. But for now, the only voice of Northern Ireland in Westminster is the DUP, whose members voted overwhelmingly to Brexit.) As democratically elected representatives, they have every right - probably more so - to "influence the process" than the arch-Remainers of Soubry and Clarke and Grieve and Wollaston, who were elected as Conservative MPs under a Manifesto that pledged to Brexit whilst exiting the CU.
Theresa May gave the DUP their power by calling a wholly unneccesary General Election. The DUP are happily playing the hand dealt them. If our Government took some lessons and played with the same steely determination in their dealings with Brussels, we might have got somewhere sooner. Indeed, Cameron might not have lost the Referendum in the first place.
Some of the attitudes expressed about the Northern Irish on this site in recent days have shown up a number of the posters on this site in a very poor light.
+1
My maternal grandmother was born on the Falls Road and I feel just as at home in Belfast as anywhere in England, Wales or Scotland.
We can’t divide our kingdom to please some technocrats in Brussels.
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No Deal though not only risks an economic crash but the end of the Union and Scotland voting for independence.
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
I am sure that you are right, voters will not like No Deal Brexit. However as that is the default on March 29th, it requires no positive action to happen, merely a lack of agreement on anything else.
Voters cannot prevent it, unless we get a #peoplesvote.
We will know if No Deal is on the cards after the conclusion of negotiations and the Commons vote in November.
If it is a peoplesvote is almost certain in the 4 months before Brexit is due and if No Deal is the alternative that vote will almost certainly be to Remain. About 40 Tory MPs led by Amber Rudd have said they will vote for a peoples vote with opposition MPs if the alternative is No Deal.
Either that or most Leavers move to the Norway option fast given they will have killed off chances of a FTA
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No Deal though not only risks an economic crash but the end of the Union and Scotland voting for independence.
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
I always thought of it as a time to mourn for lives needlessly lost and a reminder of the futility of war rather than glorifying it
That is what it should be. What it has turned into in the last few years is close to grotesque.
I've notice no big change at all since I was a child.
30 years ago we didn't stop for a minutes silence on armistamce day. The only silence was on Rememberance Sunday. I don't remember wall to wall tat plastered in poppies, pop up Poppy shops on the high street, I don't remember a fucking Tornado plane covered in Poppy livery.
A bomber, covered in the symbol of quiet remeberance? Just, no.
I agree re Tat and Tornados.
But remember silence at school on Remembrance day from 5 onwards. And that was 26 years ago.
Doesn't sound like a compromise they can accept, on the basis it is not really a compromise, since one definition of compromise involves both sides making concessions.
A compromise between doing significant harm to the economy and not, perhaps?
That is not a compromise. That is invalidating the referendum result.
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No Deal though not only risks an economic crash but the end of the Union and Scotland voting for independence.
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
I agree it is not a compromise that is being offered. So assume, for a moment, that MPs simply will not tolerate a no deal Brexit (which is not as simple for them to avoid as they seem to think) - would you rather remain or BINO? Because those look like the options. I wouldn't blame people for thinking remain is preferable to BINO.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may rees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
I always thought of it as a time to mourn for lives needlessly lost and a reminder of the futility of war rather than glorifying it
That is what it should be. What it has turned into in the last few years is close to grotesque.
I've notice no big change at all since I was a child.
It depends how old you are.
Football fixtures with embroidered poppies on the shirts are a new thing for example. I was at the first ever one in 2003 (Leicester vs Blackburn), now it is ubiquitous. I don't object, and seeing the matchball delivered by the army helicopter has some amusement factor, but does it have the same significance to our Danish, German, Austrian, Nigerian, Ghanaian, Portuguese, Malian, Algerian and French players?
Probably not, but it does no harm. I have no issue if people think things are overblown, but as so often criticism of things being overblown can very easily be overblown themselves, if you follow me.
In world news, the PM of Ethiopia seems like a very interesting chap - ever since he was appointed he seems to have been in a story on the BBC most weeks.
Ethiopia's prime minister has done press-ups with dozens of protesting soldiers, who had marched into his office in the capital, Addis Ababa.
Abiy Ahmed was unhappy that soldiers had brought weapons and ordered them to do 10 press-ups.
My hospital has a link with the University hospital in Gondar, Ethiopia. It is not a place that I have been, but several of my colleagues are actively been involved. Ethiopia is looking up. The new prime minister has freed a lot of political prisoners, allowed political exiles to return and ended the war with Eritrea.
As ever, political progress in Africa is fragile, but Ethiopia seems on a good trajectory.
Hmmm. The Grand Ethiopian Rennaissance Dam across the Nile - and the consequential impact on Egyptian farming, electricity generation from the Aswan Dam, plus the lack of water to supply Cairo - could yet see those two countries go to war. As Sudan is going to be getting water for irrigation from it too, it could spill over into a nasty regional conflict.
The Egptian Cabinet talked about how to blow up the dam - in a meeting that was "accidentally" broadcast live. The hope is that previous water sharing agreements regarding the Nile can be reworked, to allow Egypt to continue its use but it is not certain. Tripartite talks collapsed in 2017. Just filling the Grand Ethiopian Rennaissance Dam could take anything up to 15 years. That is a big problem for Egypt. All its other recent actions suggest it won't just meekly acquiesce....
Football fixtures with embroidered poppies on the shirts are a new thing for example. I was at the first ever one in 2003 (Leicester vs Blackburn), now it is ubiquitous. I don't object, and seeing the matchball delivered by the army helicopter has some amusement factor, but does it have the same significance to our Danish, German, Austrian, Nigerian, Ghanaian, Portuguese, Malian, Algerian and French players?
It was around the turn of the millennium that I noticed the step change from remeberance to poppy fetishisation.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
I always thought of it as a time to mourn for lives needlessly lost and a reminder of the futility of war rather than glorifying it
That is what it should be. What it has turned into in the last few years is close to grotesque.
I've notice no big change at all since I was a child.
30 years ago we didn't stop for a minutes silence on armistamce day. The only silence was on Rememberance Sunday. I don't remember wall to wall tat plastered in poppies, pop up Poppy shops on the high street, I don't remember a fucking Tornado plane covered in Poppy livery.
A bomber, covered in the symbol of quiet remeberance? Just, no.
Everything in modern life is more vulgar and showbizzy than 30-40 years ago. I personally don’t like that but it’s the way it is
I can surmise that some people will be very angry if there is ultimately a soft / CU Brexit 😳
However, I do think that's the closest position to the political centre of gravity / middle ground. 52 per cent definitely didn't vote for (or want) no deal....
The slightly unfortunate question that naturally arises is that, assuming the reaction to this in some quarters is "what's the point?"; does remain become the more attractive option.
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No Deal though not only risks an economic crash but the end of the Union and Scotland voting for independence.
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
I agree it is not a compromise that is being offered. So assume, for a moment, that MPs simply will not tolerate a no deal Brexit (which is not as simple for them to avoid as they seem to think) - would you rather remain or BINO? Because those look like the options. I wouldn't blame people for thinking remain is preferable to BINO.
If MPs are not prepared to carry out the results of the referendum, then the honourable thing is that they vote publicly to overturn A50 and remain. They can then be voted out of office at the next election.
Pretending to leave but locking us into EU control and lying about it is unacceptable.
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No Deal though not only risks an economic crash but the end of the Union and Scotland voting for independence.
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
No YOU just don't get it do you. You pontificate from Australia about how we will go to No Deal and true Brexit and the voters will all be fine and dandy with the economy crashing and the UK potentially breaking up without a single poll to back you up while rejecting any form of compromise May makes with the EU to enable talks on any sort of FTA.
Chequers plus Remain was comfortably ahead of No Deal in the polls, not a single poll has shown No Deal would beat Remain in an EUref2. Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA the only sustainable Brexit left will be a Norway style one, if you do not like that tough, you have hoist yourself with your own petard!
Doesn't sound like a compromise they can accept, on the basis it is not really a compromise, since one definition of compromise involves both sides making concessions.
A compromise between doing significant harm to the economy and not, perhaps?
That is not a compromise. That is invalidating the referendum result.
It’s still leaving the EU. I must have missed the foot-stamping “right now” on the ballot paper.
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No Deal though not only risks an economic crash but the end of the Union and Scotland voting for independence.
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
Why do you hector posters in the way you do.
You are in a minority view in the UK by any measure and you will not convert posters to your cause with your attitude to them.
The UK seems to be heading to Norway ++ deal or remain through a second referendum.
Today's poll has seen a move towards EEA and a big move away from no deal. As HYUFD has called it for some time it will be a BINO or second referendum. The DUP have put paid to Canada ++
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No Deal though not only risks an economic crash but the end of the Union and Scotland voting for independence.
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
I agree it is not a compromise that is being offered. So assume, for a moment, that MPs simply will not tolerate a no deal Brexit (which is not as simple for them to avoid as they seem to think) - would you rather remain or BINO? Because those look like the options. I wouldn't blame people for thinking remain is preferable to BINO.
If MPs are not prepared to carry out the results of the referendum, then the honourable thing is that they vote publicly to overturn A50 and remain. They can then be voted out of office at the next election.
Pretending to leave but locking us into EU control and lying about it is unacceptable.
For the first time , I agree with you. The next election would be interesting. I wonder what would be in the party manifestos? A second referendum?
Doesn't sound like a compromise they can accept, on the basis it is not really a compromise, since one definition of compromise involves both sides making concessions.
A compromise between doing significant harm to the economy and not, perhaps?
That is not a compromise. That is invalidating the referendum result.
It’s still leaving the EU. I must have missed the foot-stamping “right now” on the ballot paper.
It is still leaving the EU, but if the people who voted to leave wanted leaving to mean exactly the same as remaining, they would have voted Remain. Obviously it is legitimate for a PM who wants to Remain to do this, but its a bit like asking your neighbour to turn the tv down because the baby is trying to sleep, him doing so then proceeding to shout at the top of his voice whilst walking around the house crashing cymbals
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No Deal though not only risks an economic crash but the end of the Union and Scotland voting for independence.
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
Why do you hector posters in the way you do.
You are in a minority view in the UK by any measure and you will not convert posters to your cause with your attitude to them.
The UK seems to be heading to Norway ++ deal or remain through a second referendum.
Today's poll has seen a move towards EEA and a big move away from no deal. As HYUFD has called it for some time it will be a BINO or second referendum. The DUP have put paid to Canada ++
The DUP have not put paid to Canada +. They reject the backstop, as we should do.
Football fixtures with embroidered poppies on the shirts are a new thing for example. I was at the first ever one in 2003 (Leicester vs Blackburn), now it is ubiquitous. I don't object, and seeing the matchball delivered by the army helicopter has some amusement factor, but does it have the same significance to our Danish, German, Austrian, Nigerian, Ghanaian, Portuguese, Malian, Algerian and French players?
The Rangers have gone increasingly mental for anything military, poppies are the least of it. Needless to say there's not much of it going on at the other end of town.
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
No YOU just don't get it do you. You pontificate from Australia about how we will go to No Deal and true Brexit and the voters will all be fine and dandy with the economy crashing and the UK potentially breaking up without a single poll to back you up while rejecting any form of compromise May makes with the EU to enable talks on any sort of FTA.
Chequers plus Remain was comfortably ahead of No Deal in the polls, not a single poll has shown No Deal would beat Remain in an EUref2. Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA the only sustainable Brexit left will be a Norway style one, if you do not like that tough, you have hoist yourself with your own petard!
May is not making a compromise now. She promised that if the Cabinet supported her compromise (Chequers) and the EU would not accept it, she would go for No Deal. The EU rejected her plan. She is now simply selling out by refusing to implement Brexit and giving the EU a veto over it happening in future.
Your lack of understanding is legendary. "Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA.." - er, staying in the CU is incompatible with a FTA. It is the Leavers who are in favour of an FTA. May is not. She is now ensuring that there can never be an FTA. And is she getting Chequers instead? Of course not! She is getting nothing in return - no concessions, no plan. Just no Brexit.
Nobody cares what the polls say about Remain. Remain is not an option and your silly second referendum is never going to happen. When the polls are done for the REAL choice - May's deal vs No Deal - the majority will favour No Deal.
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
Last time I looked, the DUP democratically represents one of the four component countries of the United Kingdom. They represent their loyalist voters in Westminster. (That Sinn Fein chooses not to take their seats is for them to consider. But for now, the only voice of Northern Ireland in Westminster is the DUP, whose members voted overwhelmingly to Brexit.) As democratically elected representatives, they have every right - probably more so - to "influence the process" than the arch-Remainers of Soubry and Clarke and Grieve and Wollaston, who were elected as Conservative MPs under a Manifesto that pledged to Brexit whilst exiting the CU.
Theresa May gave the DUP their power by calling a wholly unnecesary General Election. The DUP are happily playing the hand dealt them. If our Government took some lessons and played with the same steely determination in their dealings with Brussels, we might have got somewhere sooner. Indeed, Cameron might not have lost the Referendum in the first place.
Some of the attitudes expressed about the Northern Irish on this site in recent days have shown up a number of the posters on this site in a very poor light.
IS it 11? DUP votes that could screw the whole process? I'd rather T May called A GE .
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
No YOU just don't get it do you. You pontificate from Australia about how we will go to No Deal and true Brexit and the voters will all be fine and dandy with the economy crashing and the UK potentially breaking up without a single poll to back you up while rejecting any form of compromise May makes with the EU to enable talks on any sort of FTA.
Chequers plus Remain was comfortably ahead of No Deal in the polls, not a single poll has shown No Deal would beat Remain in an EUref2. Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA the only sustainable Brexit left will be a Norway style one, if you do not like that tough, you have hoist yourself with your own petard!
May is not making a compromise now. She promised that if the Cabinet supported her compromise (Chequers) and the EU would not accept it, she would go for No Deal. The EU rejected her plan. She is now simply selling out by refusing to implement Brexit and giving the EU a veto over it happening in future.
Your lack of understanding is legendary. "Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA.." - er, staying in the CU is incompatible with a FTA. It is the Leavers who are in favour of an FTA. May is not. She is now ensuring that there can never be an FTA. And is she getting Chequers instead? Of course not! She is getting nothing in return - no concessions, no plan. Just no Brexit.
Nobody cares what the polls say about Remain. Remain is not an option and your silly second referendum is never going to happen. When the polls are done for the REAL choice - May's deal vs No Deal - the majority will favour No Deal.
Without a solution to the backstop for the Irish border ie now a Customs Union until a technical solution is found Barnier has made clear there will be no deal, no transition period and no FTA talks.
If May gets her Deal through that will be it, there will be no referendum and certainly no referendum with No Deal as an option. If your fellow diehard Brexiteers block any Deal she agrees then as BigG correctly states there will only be 2 alternatives, a Norway option Brexit or a Remain v No Deal EU referendum before the end of March
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
Why do you hector posters in the way you do.
You are in a minority view in the UK by any measure and you will not convert posters to your cause with your attitude to them.
The UK seems to be heading to Norway ++ deal or remain through a second referendum.
Today's poll has seen a move towards EEA and a big move away from no deal. As HYUFD has called it for some time it will be a BINO or second referendum. The DUP have put paid to Canada ++
Just a minute. You said that if the EU would not engage with May's Chequers plan, then we would have to leave with no deal. You said it was unacceptable that they ignored her plan. You said that Remain or a second referendum would not be acceptable and the referendum result had to be implemented. You were right.
But nothing has changed. The EU continue to ignore Chequers. May has achieved nothing since Salzberg. All that has happened is that she is trying to hand the EU a veto over whether Brexit ever happens. There is no trade deal. All May will get is a load of guff that promises nothing and certainly will not offer Chequers or anything like it.
So why are you suddenly supporting it? If the EU were talking Chequers fair enough, but they are not. If you were sticking to your word, you would be saying that May is wrong.
Saying that "The DUP have put paid to Canada ++" is just wrong. the DUP are in favour of CETA. May is the one putting paid to CETA, because you cannot be in CETA and in a Customs Union. And she is signing us up to a CU forever.
It is not the DUP or ERG blocking a 'compromise'. There is no compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan. You should stick to your guns and insist that there can be no backstop without agreement on Chequers. Then we would both end up at the same place.
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
No YOU just don't get it do you. You pontificate from Australia about how we will go to No Deal and true Brexit and the voters will all be fine and dandy with the economy crashing and the UK potentially breaking up without a single poll to back you up while rejecting any form of compromise May makes with the EU to enable talks on any sort of FTA.
Chequers plus Remain was comfortably ahead of No Deal in the polls, not a single poll has shown No Deal would beat Remain in an EUref2. Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA the only sustainable Brexit left will be a Norway style one, if you do not like that tough, you have hoist yourself with your own petard!
May is not making a compromise now. She promised that if the Cabinet supported her compromise (Chequers) and the EU would not accept it, she would go for No Deal. The EU rejected her plan. She is now simply selling out by refusing to implement Brexit and giving the EU a veto over it happening in future.
Your lack of understanding is legendary. "Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA.." - er, staying in the CU is incompatible with a FTA. It is the Leavers who are in favour of an FTA. May is not. She is now ensuring that there can never be an FTA. And is she getting Chequers instead? Of course not! She is getting nothing in return - no concessions, no plan. Just no Brexit.
Nobody cares what the polls say about Remain. Remain is not an option and your silly second referendum is never going to happen. When the polls are done for the REAL choice - May's deal vs No Deal - the majority will favour No Deal.
I did say earlier yours is a minority view and your last sentence is a minority view of a minority
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
Last time I looked, the DUP democratically represents one of the four component countries of the United Kingdom. They represent their loyalist voters in Westminster. (That Sinn Fein chooses not to take their seats is for them to consider. But for now, the only voice of Northern Ireland in Westminster is the DUP, whose members voted overwhelmingly to Brexit.) As democratically elected representatives, they have every right - probably more so - to "influence the process" than the arch-Remainers of Soubry and Clarke and Grieve and Wollaston, who were elected as Conservative MPs under a Manifesto that pledged to Brexit whilst exiting the CU.
Theresa May gave the DUP their power by calling a wholly unnecesary General Election. The DUP are happily playing the hand dealt them. If our Government took some lessons and played with the same steely determination in their dealings with Brussels, we might have got somewhere sooner. Indeed, Cameron might not have lost the Referendum in the first place.
Some of the attitudes expressed about the Northern Irish on this site in recent days have shown up a number of the posters on this site in a very poor light.
IS it 11? DUP votes that could screw the whole process? I'd rather T May called A GE .
What are the DUP screwing? All the DUP are asking for is to be treated the same as everyone else in the UK. That's entirely reasonable!
The only variances in laws between GB and NI should be due to devolution and because NI have asked for a change, not because voters outside of NI have demanded one.
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
While I don’t hold with groups holding the whole of the country to ransome in this case it looks like they are being asked to accept rules over which they will have no say....which does seem a bit rum...
Same as Scotland, which is even more rum The sooner the LOL bring down the Tories the better.
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
Last time I looked, the DUP democratically represents one of the four component countries of the United Kingdom. They represent their loyalist voters in Westminster. (That Sinn Fein chooses not to take their seats is for them to consider. But for now, the only voice of Northern Ireland in Westminster is the DUP, whose members voted overwhelmingly to Brexit.) As democratically elected representatives, they have every right - probably more so - to "influence the process" than the arch-Remainers of Soubry and Clarke and Grieve and Wollaston, who were elected as Conservative MPs under a Manifesto that pledged to Brexit whilst exiting the CU.
Theresa May gave the DUP their power by calling a wholly unnecesary General Election. The DUP are happily playing the hand dealt them. If our Government took some lessons and played with the same steely determination in their dealings with Brussels, we might have got somewhere sooner. Indeed, Cameron might not have lost the Referendum in the first place.
Some of the attitudes expressed about the Northern Irish on this site in recent days have shown up a number of the posters on this site in a very poor light.
IS it 11? DUP votes that could screw the whole process? I'd rather T May called A GE .
Good news for Remainers like myself . Brexit is eating itself and this lunacy should end soon either with the softest of exits or better still no Brexit. As I always suspected the nutjob ERG coupled with the even nuttier DUP would push too hard and destroy Brexit with no help needed from us Remainers !
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
No YOU just don't get it do you. You pontificate from Australia about how we will go to No Deal and true Brexit and the voters will all be fine and dandy with the economy crashing and the UK potentially breaking up without a single poll to back you up while rejecting any form of compromise May makes with the EU to enable talks on any sort of FTA.
Chequers plus Remain was comfortably ahead of No Deal in the polls, not a single poll has shown No Deal would beat Remain in an EUref2. Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA the only sustainable Brexit left will be a Norway style one, if you do not like that tough, you have hoist yourself with your own petard!
May is not making a compromise now. She promised that if the Cabinet supported her compromise (Chequers) and the EU would not accept it, she would go for No Deal. The EU rejected her plan. She is now simply selling out by refusing to implement Brexit and giving the EU a veto over it happening in future.
Your lack of understanding is legendary. "Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA.." - er, staying in the CU is incompatible with a FTA. It is the Leavers who are in favour of an FTA. May is not. She is now ensuring that there can never be an FTA. And is she getting Chequers instead? Of course not! She is getting nothing in return - no concessions, no plan. Just no Brexit.
Nobody cares what the polls say about Remain. Remain is not an option and your silly second referendum is never going to happen. When the polls are done for the REAL choice - May's deal vs No Deal - the majority will favour No Deal.
I did say earlier yours is a minority view and your last sentence is a minority view of a minority
There will not be a no deal
Why do the government say that no deal is better than a bad deal. You’re saying any deal is better than no deal.
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
Last time I looked, the DUP democratically represents one of the four component countries of the United Kingdom. They represent their loyalist voters in Westminster. (That Sinn Fein chooses not to take their seats is for them to consider. But for now, the only voice of Northern Ireland in Westminster is the DUP, whose members voted overwhelmingly to Brexit.) As democratically elected representatives, they have every right - probably more so - to "influence the process" than the arch-Remainers of Soubry and Clarke and Grieve and Wollaston, who were elected as Conservative MPs under a Manifesto that pledged to Brexit whilst exiting the CU.
Theresa May gave the DUP their power by calling a wholly unnecesary General Election. The DUP are happily playing the hand dealt them. If our Government took some lessons and played with the same steely determination in their dealings with Brussels, we might have got somewhere sooner. Indeed, Cameron might not have lost the Referendum in the first place.
Some of the attitudes expressed about the Northern Irish on this site in recent days have shown up a number of the posters on this site in a very poor light.
IS it 11? DUP votes that could screw the whole process? I'd rather T May called A GE .
What are the DUP screwing? All the DUP are asking for is to be treated the same as everyone else in the UK. That's entirely reasonable!
The only variances in laws between GB and NI should be due to devolution and because NI have asked for a change, not because voters outside of NI have demanded one.
You better have a word with Northern Irish qualified lawyers about there being differences only because of devolution.
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
While I don’t hold with groups holding the whole of the country to ransome in this case it looks like they are being asked to accept rules over which they will have no say....which does seem a bit rum...
Same as Scotland, which is even more rum The sooner the LOL bring down the Tories the better.
If not for Scotland would the Tories not be in power right now?
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
Last time I looked, the DUP democratically represents one of the four component countries of the United Kingdom. They represent their loyalist voters in Westminster. (That Sinn Fein chooses not to take their seats is for them to consider. But for now, the only voice of Northern Ireland in Westminster is the DUP, whose members voted overwhelmingly to Brexit.) As democratically elected representatives, they have every right - probably more so - to "influence the process" than the arch-Remainers of Soubry and Clarke and Grieve and Wollaston, who were elected as Conservative MPs under a Manifesto that pledged to Brexit whilst exiting the CU.
Theresa May gave the DUP their power by calling a wholly unnecesary General Election. The DUP are happily playing the hand dealt them. If our Government took some lessons and played with the same steely determination in their dealings with Brussels, we might have got somewhere sooner. Indeed, Cameron might not have lost the Referendum in the first place.
Some of the attitudes expressed about the Northern Irish on this site in recent days have shown up a number of the posters on this site in a very poor light.
IS it 11? DUP votes that could screw the whole process? I'd rather T May called A GE .
What are the DUP screwing? All the DUP are asking for is to be treated the same as everyone else in the UK. That's entirely reasonable!
The only variances in laws between GB and NI should be due to devolution and because NI have asked for a change, not because voters outside of NI have demanded one.
But same does not apply for Scotland , so explain that one. Parliament voted for second referendum but were crapped on by Tories. PS what is this GB, it is UK
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
Why do you hector posters in the way you do.
You are in a minority view in the UK by any measure and you will not convert posters to your cause with your attitude to them.
The UK seems to be heading to Norway ++ deal or remain through a second referendum.
Today's poll has seen a move towards EEA and a big move away from no deal. As HYUFD has called it for some time it will be a BINO or second referendum. The DUP have put paid to Canada ++
Just a minute. You said that if the EU would not engage with May's Chequers plan, then we would have to leave with no deal. You said it was unacceptable that they ignored her plan. You said that Remain or a second referendum would not be acceptable and the referendum result had to be implemented. You were right.
But nothing has changed. The EU continue to ignore Chequers. May has achieved nothing since Salzberg. All that has happened is that she is trying to hand the EU a veto over whether Brexit ever happens. There is no trade deal. All May will get is a load of guff that promises nothing and certainly will not offer Chequers or anything like it.
So why are you suddenly supporting it? If the EU were talking Chequers fair enough, but they are not. If you were sticking to your word, you would be saying that May is wrong.
Saying that "The DUP have put paid to Canada ++" is just wrong. the DUP are in favour of CETA. May is the one putting paid to CETA, because you cannot be in CETA and in a Customs Union. And she is signing us up to a CU forever.
It is not the DUP or ERG blocking a 'compromise'. There is no compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan. You should stick to your guns and insist that there can be no backstop without agreement on Chequers. Then we would both end up at the same place.
Sadly not. I am content with Norway and all the indications are that it would pass easily.
Canada has few supporters outside ERG who have failed to explain how to prevent an Irish sea border ot jit manufacturing.
I want to leave and for me Norway returns our fishing and control to our Scottish fishing Industry which is my wife's heritage
The DUP have said tonight no deal or Norway, so it is Norway for me
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
Last time I looked, the DUP democratically represents one of the four component countries of the United Kingdom. They represent their loyalist voters in Westminster. (That Sinn Fein chooses not to take their seats is for them to consider. But for now, the only voice of Northern Ireland in Westminster is the DUP, whose members voted overwhelmingly to Brexit.) As democratically elected representatives, they have every right - probably more so - to "influence the process" than the arch-Remainers of Soubry and Clarke and Grieve and Wollaston, who were elected as Conservative MPs under a Manifesto that pledged to Brexit whilst exiting the CU.
Theresa May gave the DUP their power by calling a wholly unnecesary General Election. The DUP are happily playing the hand dealt them. If our Government took some lessons and played with the same steely determination in their dealings with Brussels, we might have got somewhere sooner. Indeed, Cameron might not have lost the Referendum in the first place.
Some of the attitudes expressed about the Northern Irish on this site in recent days have shown up a number of the posters on this site in a very poor light.
IS it 11? DUP votes that could screw the whole process? I'd rather T May called A GE .
What are the DUP screwing? All the DUP are asking for is to be treated the same as everyone else in the UK. That's entirely reasonable!
The only variances in laws between GB and NI should be due to devolution and because NI have asked for a change, not because voters outside of NI have demanded one.
You better have a word with Northern Irish qualified lawyers about there being differences only because of devolution.
Which laws are different between NI and GB because of non-NI and non-GB voters choosing them to be so?
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
Last time I looked, the DUP democratically represents one of the four component countries of the United Kingdom. They represent their loyalist voters in Westminster. (That Sinn Fein chooses not to take their seats is for them to consider. But for now, the only voice of Northern Ireland in Westminster is the DUP, whose members voted overwhelmingly to Brexit.) As democratically elected representatives, they have every right - probably more so - to "influence the process" than the arch-Remainers of Soubry and Clarke and Grieve and Wollaston, who were elected as Conservative MPs under a Manifesto that pledged to Brexit whilst exiting the CU.
Theresa May gave the DUP their power by calling a wholly unnecesary General Election. The DUP are happily playing the hand dealt them. If our Government took some lessons and played with the same steely determination in their dealings with Brussels, we might have got somewhere sooner. Indeed, Cameron might not have lost the Referendum in the first place.
Some of the attitudes expressed about the Northern Irish on this site in recent days have shown up a number of the posters on this site in a very poor light.
IS it 11? DUP votes that could screw the whole process? I'd rather T May called A GE .
What are the DUP screwing? All the DUP are asking for is to be treated the same as everyone else in the UK. That's entirely reasonable!
The only variances in laws between GB and NI should be due to devolution and because NI have asked for a change, not because voters outside of NI have demanded one.
But same does not apply for Scotland , so explain that one. Parliament voted for second referendum but were crapped on by Tories. PS what is this GB, it is UK
Good news for Remainers like myself . Brexit is eating itself and this lunacy should end soon either with the softest of exits or better still no Brexit. As I always suspected the nutjob ERG coupled with the even nuttier DUP would push too hard and destroy Brexit with no help needed from us Remainers !
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
No YOU just don't get it do you. You pontificate from Australia about how we will go to No Deal and true Brexit and the voters will all be fine and dandy with the economy crashing and the UK potentially breaking up without a single poll to back you up while rejecting any form of compromise May makes with the EU to enable talks on any sort of FTA.
Chequers plus Remain was comfortably ahead of No Deal in the polls, not a single poll has shown No Deal would beat Remain in an EUref2. Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA the only sustainable Brexit left will be a Norway style one, if you do not like that tough, you have hoist yourself with your own petard!
May is not making a compromise now. She promised that if the Cabinet supported her compromise (Chequers) and the EU would not accept it, she would go for No Deal. The EU rejected her plan. She is now simply selling out by refusing to implement Brexit and giving the EU a veto over it happening in future.
Your lack of understanding is legendary. "Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA.." - er, staying in the CU is incompatible with a FTA. It is the Leavers who are in favour of an FTA. May is not. She is now ensuring that there can never be an FTA. And is she getting Chequers instead? Of course not! She is getting nothing in return - no concessions, no plan. Just no Brexit.
Nobody cares what the polls say about Remain. Remain is not an option and your silly second referendum is never going to happen. When the polls are done for the REAL choice - May's deal vs No Deal - the majority will favour No Deal.
I did say earlier yours is a minority view and your last sentence is a minority view of a minority
There will not be a no deal
With respect, this is why the country is so divided. Remainers have been trying to tell Leavers what they think since the day after the referendum. You thought you were the majority for decades and you were wrong. Now you are saying that we really support Soft Brexit (or BINO). You are wrong. Leave means Leave. Handing control over whether we can leave to the EU is not Brexit. Leavers will not accept it. And we are the majority.
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
While I don’t hold with groups holding the whole of the country to ransome in this case it looks like they are being asked to accept rules over which they will have no say....which does seem a bit rum...
Same as Scotland, which is even more rum The sooner the LOL bring down the Tories the better.
If not for Scotland would the Tories not be in power right now?
Idiots for sure, ably assisted by their dopey partners Scottish Labour regional office who gave them their votes. Bigger idiots you could not find.
Just a minute. You said that if the EU would not engage with May's Chequers plan, then we would have to leave with no deal. You said it was unacceptable that they ignored her plan. You said that Remain or a second referendum would not be acceptable and the referendum result had to be implemented. You were right.
But nothing has changed. The EU continue to ignore Chequers. May has achieved nothing since Salzberg. All that has happened is that she is trying to hand the EU a veto over whether Brexit ever happens. There is no trade deal. All May will get is a load of guff that promises nothing and certainly will not offer Chequers or anything like it.
So why are you suddenly supporting it? If the EU were talking Chequers fair enough, but they are not. If you were sticking to your word, you would be saying that May is wrong.
Saying that "The DUP have put paid to Canada ++" is just wrong. the DUP are in favour of CETA. May is the one putting paid to CETA, because you cannot be in CETA and in a Customs Union. And she is signing us up to a CU forever.
It is not the DUP or ERG blocking a 'compromise'. There is no compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan. You should stick to your guns and insist that there can be no backstop without agreement on Chequers. Then we would both end up at the same place.
Sadly not. I am content with Norway and all the indications are that it would pass easily.
Canada has few supporters outside ERG who have failed to explain how to prevent an Irish sea border ot jit manufacturing.
I want to leave and for me Norway returns our fishing and control to our Scottish fishing Industry which is my wife's heritage
The DUP have said tonight no deal or Norway, so it is Norway for me
Well, May is not offering Norway. So does that mean that you oppose her?
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
Why do you hector posters in the way you do.
You are in a minority view in the UK by any measure and you will not convert posters to your cause with your attitude to them.
The UK seems to be heading to Norway ++ deal or remain through a second referendum.
Today's poll has seen a move towards EEA and a big move away from no deal. As HYUFD has called it for some time it will be a BINO or second referendum. The DUP have put paid to Canada ++
.
Sadly not. I am content with Norway and all the indications are that it would pass easily.
Canada has few supporters outside ERG who have failed to explain how to prevent an Irish sea border ot jit manufacturing.
I want to leave and for me Norway returns our fishing and control to our Scottish fishing Industry which is my wife's heritage
The DUP have said tonight no deal or Norway, so it is Norway for me
G , Westminster will never give Scotland control of fishing, it will be retained powers or used as bargaining chip. You are dreaming if you think Scotland will control fishing unless independent.
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
Last time I looked, the DUP democratically represents one of the four component countries of the United Kingdom. They represent their loyalist voters in Westminster. (That Sinn Fein chooses not to take their seats is for them to consider. But for now, the only voice of Northern Ireland in Westminster is the DUP, whose members voted overwhelmingly to Brexit.) As democratically elected representatives, they have every right - probably more so - to "influence the process" than the arch-Remainers of Soubry and Clarke and Grieve and Wollaston, who were elected as Conservative MPs under a Manifesto that pledged to Brexit whilst exiting the CU.
Theresa May gave the DUP their power by calling a wholly unnecesary General Election. The DUP are happily playing the hand dealt them. If our Government took some lessons and played with the same steely determination in their dealings with Brussels, we might have got somewhere sooner. Indeed, Cameron might not have lost the Referendum in the first place.
Some of the attitudes expressed about the Northern Irish on this site in recent days have shown up a number of the posters on this site in a very poor light.
IS it 11? DUP votes that could screw the whole process? I'd rather T May called A GE .
What are the DUP screwing? All the DUP are asking for is to be treated the same as everyone else in the UK. That's entirely reasonable!
The only variances in laws between GB and NI should be due to devolution and because NI have asked for a change, not because voters outside of NI have demanded one.
But same does not apply for Scotland , so explain that one. Parliament voted for second referendum but were crapped on by Tories. PS what is this GB, it is UK
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
No YOU just don't get it do you.
Chequers plus Remain was comfortably ahead of No Deal in the polls, not a single poll has shown No Deal would beat Remain in an EUref2. Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA the only sustainable Brexit left will be a Norway style one, if you do not like that tough, you have hoist yourself with your own petard!
May is not making a compromise now. She promised that if the Cabinet supported her compromise (Chequers) and the EU would not accept it, she would go for No Deal. The EU rejected her plan. She is now simply selling out by refusing to implement Brexit and giving the EU a veto over it happening in future.
Your lack of understanding is legendary. "Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA.." - er, staying in the CU is incompatible with a FTA. It is the Leavers who are in favour of an FTA. May is not. She is now ensuring that there can never be an FTA. And is she getting Chequers instead? Of course not! She is getting nothing in return - no concessions, no plan. Just no Brexit.
Nobody cares what the polls say about Remain. Remain is not an option and your silly second referendum is never going to happen. When the polls are done for the REAL choice - May's deal vs No Deal - the majority will favour No Deal.
I did say earlier yours is a minority view and your last sentence is a minority view of a minority
There will not be a no deal
With respect, this is why the country is so divided. Remainers have been trying to tell Leavers what they think since the day after the referendum. You thought you were the majority for decades and you were wrong. Now you are saying that we really support Soft Brexit (or BINO). You are wrong. Leave means Leave. Handing control over whether we can leave to the EU is not Brexit. Leavers will not accept it. And we are the majority.
You are knowledgable and intelligent but your last sentence is 'hype'.
You are not a majority especially in the HOC with 550 plus mps against and virtually all the HOL
In the country remain supporters outnumber you and many leavers are happy for BINO
Good news for Remainers like myself . Brexit is eating itself and this lunacy should end soon either with the softest of exits or better still no Brexit. As I always suspected the nutjob ERG coupled with the even nuttier DUP would push too hard and destroy Brexit with no help needed from us Remainers !
Welcome to PB
And I agree with you
Thanks I was willing to accept the result and move on in the hope a sensible exit would happen . However it’s turning into a monumental disaster driven by the ERG and DUP nutjobs . May is too spineless to go down fighting and is more interested in hanging onto her job which is hilarious given she’s gone by next spring anyway . I don’t care how Brexit is ditched but it needs to be put out of its misery .
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
No YOU just don't get it do you. You pontificate from Australia about how we will go to No Deal and true Brexit and the voters will all be fine and dandy with the economy crashing and the UK potentially breaking up without a single poll to back you up while rejecting any form of compromise May makes with the EU to enable talks on any sort of FTA.
Chequers plus Remain was comfortably ahead of No Deal in the polls, not a single poll has shown No Deal would beat Remain in an EUref2. Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA the only sustainable Brexit left will be a Norway style one, if you do not like that tough, you have hoist yourself with your own petard!
May is not making a compromise now. She promised that if the Cabinet supported her compromise (Chequers) and the EU would not accept it, she would go for No Deal. The EU rejected her plan. She is now simply selling out by refusing to implement Brexit and giving the EU a veto over it happening in future.
Your lack of understanding is legendary. "Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA.." - er, staying in the CU is incompatible with a FTA. It is the Leavers who are in favour of an FTA. May is not. She is now ensuring that there can never be an FTA. And is she getting Chequers instead? Of course not! She is getting nothing in return - no concessions, no plan. Just no Brexit.
Nobody cares what the polls say about Remain. Remain is not an option and your silly second referendum is never going to happen. When the polls are done for the REAL choice - May's deal vs No Deal - the majority will favour No Deal.
I did say earlier yours is a minority view and your last sentence is a minority view of a minority
There will not be a no deal
Why do the government say that no deal is better than a bad deal. You’re saying any deal is better than no deal.
TM deal yes - no deal unacceptable - if TM gets no deal then the choice needs to go to the country
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
Last time I looked, the DUP democratically represents one of the four component countries of the United Kingdom. They represent their loyalist voters in Westminster. (That Sinn Fein chooses not to take their seats is for them to consider. But for now, the only voice of Northern Ireland in Westminster is the DUP, whose members voted overwhelmingly to Brexit.) As democratically elected representatives, they have every right - probably more so - to "influence the process" than the arch-Remainers of Soubry and Clarke and Grieve and Wollaston, who were elected as Conservative MPs under a Manifesto that pledged to Brexit whilst exiting the CU.
Theresa May gave the DUP their power by calling a wholly unnecesary General Election. The DUP are happily playing the hand dealt them. If our Government took some lessons and played with the same steely determination in their dealings with Brussels, we might have got somewhere sooner. Indeed, Cameron might not have lost the Referendum in the first place.
Some of the attitudes expressed about the Northern Irish on this site in recent days have shown up a number of the posters on this site in a very poor light.
IS it 11? DUP votes that could screw the whole process? I'd rather T May called A GE .
What are the DUP screwing? All the DUP are asking for is to be treated the same as everyone else in the UK. That's entirely reasonable!
The only variances in laws between GB and NI should be due to devolution and because NI have asked for a change, not because voters outside of NI have demanded one.
But same does not apply for Scotland , so explain that one. Parliament voted for second referendum but were crapped on by Tories. PS what is this GB, it is UK
GB is rUK excluding NI.
GB appears nowhere, it is United Kingdom and NI
No it isn't. NI is part of the United Kingdom.
It is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Just a minute. You said that if the EU would not engage with May's Chequers plan, then we would have to leave with no deal. You said it was unacceptable that they ignored her plan. You said that Remain or a second referendum would not be acceptable and the referendum result had to be implemented. You were right.
But nothing has changed. The EU continue to ignore Chequers. May has achieved nothing since Salzberg. All that has happened is that she is trying to hand the EU a veto over whether Brexit ever happens. There is no trade deal. All May will get is a load of guff that promises nothing and certainly will not offer Chequers or anything like it.
So why are you suddenly supporting it? If the EU were talking Chequers fair enough, but they are not. If you were sticking to your word, you would be saying that May is wrong.
Saying that "The DUP have put paid to Canada ++" is just wrong. the DUP are in favour of CETA. May is the one putting paid to CETA, because you cannot be in CETA and in a Customs Union. And she is signing us up to a CU forever.
It is not the DUP or ERG blocking a 'compromise'. There is no compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan. You should stick to your guns and insist that there can be no backstop without agreement on Chequers. Then we would both end up at the same place.
Sadly not. I am content with Norway and all the indications are that it would pass easily.
Canada has few supporters outside ERG who have failed to explain how to prevent an Irish sea border ot jit manufacturing.
I want to leave and for me Norway returns our fishing and control to our Scottish fishing Industry which is my wife's heritage
The DUP have said tonight no deal or Norway, so it is Norway for me
Well, May is not offering Norway. So does that mean that you oppose her?
TM is in negotiation and I support her in that endeavour but politics is moving fast away from no deal and she may have to tack towards Norway, but we will see how it evolves over the next few weeks
May is not making a compromise now. She promised that if the Cabinet supported her compromise (Chequers) and the EU would not accept it, she would go for No Deal. The EU rejected her plan. She is now simply selling out by refusing to implement Brexit and giving the EU a veto over it happening in future.
Your lack of understanding is legendary. "Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA.." - er, staying in the CU is incompatible with a FTA. It is the Leavers who are in favour of an FTA. May is not. She is now ensuring that there can never be an FTA. And is she getting Chequers instead? Of course not! She is getting nothing in return - no concessions, no plan. Just no Brexit.
Nobody cares what the polls say about Remain. Remain is not an option and your silly second referendum is never going to happen. When the polls are done for the REAL choice - May's deal vs No Deal - the majority will favour No Deal.
I did say earlier yours is a minority view and your last sentence is a minority view of a minority
There will not be a no deal
With respect, this is why the country is so divided. Remainers have been trying to tell Leavers what they think since the day after the referendum. You thought you were the majority for decades and you were wrong. Now you are saying that we really support Soft Brexit (or BINO). You are wrong. Leave means Leave. Handing control over whether we can leave to the EU is not Brexit. Leavers will not accept it. And we are the majority.
You are knowledgable and intelligent but your last sentence is 'hype'.
You are not a majority especially in the HOC with 550 plus mps against and virtually all the HOL
In the country remain supporters outnumber you and many leavers are happy for BINO
We won the referendum. And we will win in the HoC as well. May's 'deal' will be defeated and we will leave with No Deal. Parliament doesn't have the guts to overtly overturn the referendum result. They don't actually have any other options.
But back to the point. May's approach is not going to achieve Norway. So why support her offering a backstop that will simply create a new cliff edge in December 2020? If you want Norway, surely it is time to come out and oppose May who has no plan whatsoever now?
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
Why do you hector posters in the way you do.
You are in a minority view in the UK by any measure and you will not convert posters to your cause with your attitude to them.
The UK seems to be heading to Norway ++ deal or remain through a second referendum.
Today's poll has seen a move towards EEA and a big move away from no deal. As HYUFD has called it for some time it will be a BINO or second referendum. The DUP have put paid to Canada ++
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Sadly not. I am content with Norway and all the indications are that it would pass easily.
Canada has few supporters outside ERG who have failed to explain how to prevent an Irish sea border ot jit manufacturing.
I want to leave and for me Norway returns our fishing and control to our Scottish fishing Industry which is my wife's heritage
The DUP have said tonight no deal or Norway, so it is Norway for me
G , Westminster will never give Scotland control of fishing, it will be retained powers or used as bargaining chip. You are dreaming if you think Scotland will control fishing unless independent.
I expect an agreement between the parliaments and TM knows she has several seats in the Scottish fishing community
There was a time I was willing to placate Leavers but no more . They voted for a fantasy outcome where the UK kept all the benefits without the obligations . And on immigration that’s rocketing from non EU countries and falling rapidly from the EU so why this obsession with keeping fellow Europeans out. The Brexit con job is falling apart and this lunacy must end .
May is not making a compromise now. She promised that if the Cabinet supported her compromise (Chequers) and the EU would not accept it, she would go for No Deal. The EU rejected her plan. She is now simply selling out by refusing to implement Brexit and giving the EU a veto over it happening in future.
Your lack of understanding is legendary. "Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA.." - er, staying in the CU is incompatible with a FTA. It is the Leavers who are in favour of an FTA. May is not. She is now ensuring that there can never be an FTA. And is she getting Chequers instead? Of course not! She is getting nothing in return - no concessions, no plan. Just no Brexit.
Nobody cares what the polls say about Remain. Remain is not an option and your silly second referendum is never going to happen. When the polls are done for the REAL choice - May's deal vs No Deal - the majority will favour No Deal.
I did say earlier yours is a minority view and your last sentence is a minority view of a minority
There will not be a no deal
With respect, this is why the country is so divided. Remainers have been trying to tell Leavers what they think since the day after the referendum. You thought you were the majority for decades and you were wrong. Now you are saying that we really support Soft Brexit (or BINO). You are wrong. Leave means Leave. Handing control over whether we can leave to the EU is not Brexit. Leavers will not accept it. And we are the majority.
You are knowledgable and intelligent but your last sentence is 'hype'.
You are not a majority especially in the HOC with 550 plus mps against and virtually all the HOL
In the country remain supporters outnumber you and many leavers are happy for BINO
We won the referendum. And we will win in the HoC as well. May's 'deal' will be defeated and we will leave with No Deal. Parliament doesn't have the guts to overtly overturn the referendum result. They don't actually have any other options.
But back to the point. May's approach is not going to achieve Norway. So why support her offering a backstop that will simply create a new cliff edge in December 2020? If you want Norway, surely it is time to come out and oppose May who has no plan whatsoever now?
I really give up with your blind belief and you are in denial over the HOC
I will not oppose TM until I see her deal or see someone who could resolve this better
May is not making a compromise now. She promised that if the Cabinet supported her compromise (Chequers) and the EU would not accept it, she would go for No Deal. The EU rejected her plan. She is now simply selling out by refusing to implement Brexit and giving the EU a veto over it happening in future.
Your lack of understanding is legendary. "Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA.." - er, staying in the CU is incompatible with a FTA. It is the Leavers who are in favour of an FTA. May is not. She is now ensuring that there can never be an FTA. And is she getting Chequers instead? Of course not! She is getting nothing in return - no concessions, no plan. Just no Brexit.
Nobody cares what the polls say about Remain. Remain is not an option and your silly second referendum is never going to happen. When the polls are done for the REAL choice - May's deal vs No Deal - the majority will favour No Deal.
I did say earlier yours is a minority view and your last sentence is a minority view of a minority
There will not be a no deal
Why do the government say that no deal is better than a bad deal. You’re saying any deal is better than no deal.
TM deal yes - no deal unacceptable - if TM gets no deal then the choice needs to go to the country
TM is not negotiating a deal. She is negotiating a No Deal, just a different type of No Deal. In May's No Deal, we pay all the money and kick the can down the road for 20 months but don't get anything in return. The political declaration will not offer any actual trade deal, just a series of options that are not going to be acceptable. And in 20 months time, we will be back at the cliff edge because we can't activate the backstop.
I expect the ERG will frame the debate as the choice between No Deal and No Deal.
Oh, and by the way, in the EEA/CU of which you dream, you will not get control of fishing.
There was a time I was willing to placate Leavers but no more . They voted for a fantasy outcome where the UK kept all the benefits without the obligations . And on immigration that’s rocketing from non EU countries and falling rapidly from the EU so why this obsession with keeping fellow Europeans out. The Brexit con job is falling apart and this lunacy must end .
Always good to have a Remainer remind us why you lost the referendum.
You just can't get it, can you? It is not the Leavers who are refusing to compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan - they have refused to compromise. She has no other plan. So she expects to ignore the referendum result. Not going to happen.
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
Why do you hector posters in the way you do.
You are in a minority view in the UK by any measure and you will not convert posters to your cause with your attitude to them.
The UK seems to be heading to Norway ++ deal or remain through a second referendum.
Today's poll has seen a move towards EEA and a big move away from no deal. As HYUFD has called it for some time it will be a BINO or second referendum. The DUP have put paid to Canada ++
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Sadly not. I am content with Norway and all the indications are that it would pass easily.
Canada has few supporters outside ERG who have failed to explain how to prevent an Irish sea border ot jit manufacturing.
I want to leave and for me Norway returns our fishing and control to our Scottish fishing Industry which is my wife's heritage
The DUP have said tonight no deal or Norway, so it is Norway for me
G , Westminster will never give Scotland control of fishing, it will be retained powers or used as bargaining chip. You are dreaming if you think Scotland will control fishing unless independent.
I expect an agreement between the parliaments and TM knows she has several seats in the Scottish fishing community
The fishing industry is just a red herring. They are not the sole feature to stop Brexit. They are only invoked by people trawling for an argument, especially Kippers.
There was a time I was willing to placate Leavers but no more . They voted for a fantasy outcome where the UK kept all the benefits without the obligations . And on immigration that’s rocketing from non EU countries and falling rapidly from the EU so why this obsession with keeping fellow Europeans out. The Brexit con job is falling apart and this lunacy must end .
How do you placate Leavers? Leave a saucer of milk out of an evening?
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Football fixtures with embroidered poppies on the shirts are a new thing for example. I was at the first ever one in 2003 (Leicester vs Blackburn), now it is ubiquitous. I don't object, and seeing the matchball delivered by the army helicopter has some amusement factor, but does it have the same significance to our Danish, German, Austrian, Nigerian, Ghanaian, Portuguese, Malian, Algerian and French players?
Theresa May gave the DUP their power by calling a wholly unnecesary General Election. The DUP are happily playing the hand dealt them. If our Government took some lessons and played with the same steely determination in their dealings with Brussels, we might have got somewhere sooner. Indeed, Cameron might not have lost the Referendum in the first place.
Some of the attitudes expressed about the Northern Irish on this site in recent days have shown up a number of the posters on this site in a very poor light.
Is it a) to honour the long dead who died in war or b) to remind ourselves of the horror of war?
If it is a) why restrict it to WW1 and WW2. Why not the Boer war or 1066?
If it is b) why a poppy? Why not a picture of a mutilated child or a devastated city? A poppy is too pretty.
My maternal grandmother was born on the Falls Road and I feel just as at home in Belfast as anywhere in England, Wales or Scotland.
We can’t divide our kingdom to please some technocrats in Brussels.
If it is a peoplesvote is almost certain in the 4 months before Brexit is due and if No Deal is the alternative that vote will almost certainly be to Remain. About 40 Tory MPs led by Amber Rudd have said they will vote for a peoples vote with opposition MPs if the alternative is No Deal.
Either that or most Leavers move to the Norway option fast given they will have killed off chances of a FTA
There is no compromise here. May is not engaging in a compromise with the EU. She is selling out and receiving NOTHING in return.
You and your polls predicted that the public were desperate for Soft Brexit and would fall in behind Chequers. How did that go for you?
But remember silence at school on Remembrance day from 5 onwards. And that was 26 years ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-43170323
The Egptian Cabinet talked about how to blow up the dam - in a meeting that was "accidentally" broadcast live. The hope is that previous water sharing agreements regarding the Nile can be reworked, to allow Egypt to continue its use but it is not certain. Tripartite talks collapsed in 2017. Just filling the Grand Ethiopian Rennaissance Dam could take anything up to 15 years. That is a big problem for Egypt. All its other recent actions suggest it won't just meekly acquiesce....
However, I do think that's the closest position to the political centre of gravity / middle ground. 52 per cent definitely didn't vote for (or want) no deal....
The slightly unfortunate question that naturally arises is that, assuming the reaction to this in some quarters is "what's the point?"; does remain become the more attractive option.
Pretending to leave but locking us into EU control and lying about it is unacceptable.
Chequers plus Remain was comfortably ahead of No Deal in the polls, not a single poll has shown No Deal would beat Remain in an EUref2. Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA the only sustainable Brexit left will be a Norway style one, if you do not like that tough, you have hoist yourself with your own petard!
You are in a minority view in the UK by any measure and you will not convert posters to your cause with your attitude to them.
The UK seems to be heading to Norway ++ deal or remain through a second referendum.
Today's poll has seen a move towards EEA and a big move away from no deal. As HYUFD has called it for some time it will be a BINO or second referendum. The DUP have put paid to Canada ++
They have however put paid to Chequers.
https://twitter.com/18_coco_72/status/926878194657087488
Your lack of understanding is legendary. "Given you will have destroyed the chance of a FTA.." - er, staying in the CU is incompatible with a FTA. It is the Leavers who are in favour of an FTA. May is not. She is now ensuring that there can never be an FTA. And is she getting Chequers instead? Of course not! She is getting nothing in return - no concessions, no plan. Just no Brexit.
Nobody cares what the polls say about Remain. Remain is not an option and your silly second referendum is never going to happen. When the polls are done for the REAL choice - May's deal vs No Deal - the majority will favour No Deal.
If May gets her Deal through that will be it, there will be no referendum and certainly no referendum with No Deal as an option. If your fellow diehard Brexiteers block any Deal she agrees then as BigG correctly states there will only be 2 alternatives, a Norway option Brexit or a Remain v No Deal EU referendum before the end of March
But nothing has changed. The EU continue to ignore Chequers. May has achieved nothing since Salzberg. All that has happened is that she is trying to hand the EU a veto over whether Brexit ever happens. There is no trade deal. All May will get is a load of guff that promises nothing and certainly will not offer Chequers or anything like it.
So why are you suddenly supporting it? If the EU were talking Chequers fair enough, but they are not. If you were sticking to your word, you would be saying that May is wrong.
Saying that "The DUP have put paid to Canada ++" is just wrong. the DUP are in favour of CETA. May is the one putting paid to CETA, because you cannot be in CETA and in a Customs Union. And she is signing us up to a CU forever.
It is not the DUP or ERG blocking a 'compromise'. There is no compromise. The EU have rejected May's plan. You should stick to your guns and insist that there can be no backstop without agreement on Chequers. Then we would both end up at the same place.
There will not be a no deal
The only variances in laws between GB and NI should be due to devolution and because NI have asked for a change, not because voters outside of NI have demanded one.
The sooner the LOL bring down the Tories the better.
PS what is this GB, it is UK
Canada has few supporters outside ERG who have failed to explain how to prevent an Irish sea border ot jit manufacturing.
I want to leave and for me Norway returns our fishing and control to our Scottish fishing Industry which is my wife's heritage
The DUP have said tonight no deal or Norway, so it is Norway for me
And I agree with you
You are not a majority especially in the HOC with 550 plus mps against and virtually all the HOL
In the country remain supporters outnumber you and many leavers are happy for BINO
It is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Hmm ... I wonder where GB came from?
But back to the point. May's approach is not going to achieve Norway. So why support her offering a backstop that will simply create a new cliff edge in December 2020? If you want Norway, surely it is time to come out and oppose May who has no plan whatsoever now?
https://twitter.com/xxlfunny1/status/1049967808128438274
I will not oppose TM until I see her deal or see someone who could resolve this better
I expect the ERG will frame the debate as the choice between No Deal and No Deal.
Oh, and by the way, in the EEA/CU of which you dream, you will not get control of fishing.
If the Govt hasn't itself even decided what type of Brexit we want, what is currerntly being negotiated with the EU?
eg IF the Govt suddenly went for a Norway model, would they just say "Forget all discussions up to now, how about this?"
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