So far, the ERG seem to have exhibited little spine. I think Mrs May would have little risk in facing them down. They appear to be nothing but ill-informed, bluster merchants. Why the Tory party lets them hold it ransom is beyond me.
So far, the ERG seem to have exhibited little spine. I think Mrs May would have little risk in facing them down. They appear to be nothing but ill-informed, bluster merchants. Why the Tory party lets them hold it ransom is beyond me.
Labour MPs won't vote that they have confidence in Theresa May or even abstain. It would, rightly, mark the end of their career in Parliament under the Labour banner. Might they jump ship beforehand? Perhaps.
More likely, they would vote that they had no confidence in Theresa May and then work behind the scenes to put together another government under another leader (other than Jeremy Corbyn) with a more stable majority, if they could.
FPT @ Pulpstar Nigel Dodds and Emma Pengelly would probably hold their seats, but it would be tight, and their chances would be considerably enhanced if the new boundaries had gone through.
So far, the ERG seem to have exhibited little spine. I think Mrs May would have little risk in facing them down. They appear to be nothing but ill-informed, bluster merchants. Why the Tory party lets them hold it ransom is beyond me.
I think that May can call their bluff.
It strikes me that the ERG gang have cried wolf far too often. Failing to follow through on threats undermines your credibility.
So far, the ERG seem to have exhibited little spine. I think Mrs May would have little risk in facing them down. They appear to be nothing but ill-informed, bluster merchants. Why the Tory party lets them hold it ransom is beyond me.
I think that May can call their bluff.
It strikes me that the ERG gang have cried wolf far too often. Failing to follow through on threats undermines your credibility.
As Tuco Ramirez put it "When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk."
Momentum is on other side is this piece of news, being accused of systematically uninviting Jews from a meeting hosted by McDonnell which is seen as a precursor to installing a 'problematic' JVL bod as Labour candidate in one of the most Jewish constituencies in the UK. https://twitter.com/BenWeich/status/1050313619936825345 What a shower.
So far, the ERG seem to have exhibited little spine. I think Mrs May would have little risk in facing them down. They appear to be nothing but ill-informed, bluster merchants. Why the Tory party lets them hold it ransom is beyond me.
I think that May can call their bluff.
It strikes me that the ERG gang have cried wolf far too often. Failing to follow through on threats undermines your credibility.
So far, the ERG seem to have exhibited little spine. I think Mrs May would have little risk in facing them down. They appear to be nothing but ill-informed, bluster merchants. Why the Tory party lets them hold it ransom is beyond me.
I think that May can call their bluff.
It strikes me that the ERG gang have cried wolf far too often. Failing to follow through on threats undermines your credibility.
Having said that, the ERG have done remarkably well considering their complete lack of ability. Bluster and threats have allowed them to paralyse an entire government.
The DUP, on the other hand, have the certainty of the fanatic.They will carry out their threats.
So far, the ERG seem to have exhibited little spine. I think Mrs May would have little risk in facing them down. They appear to be nothing but ill-informed, bluster merchants. Why the Tory party lets them hold it ransom is beyond me.
I think that May can call their bluff.
It strikes me that the ERG gang have cried wolf far too often. Failing to follow through on threats undermines your credibility.
Having said that, the ERG have done remarkably well considering their complete lack of ability. Bluster and threats have allowed them to paralyse an entire government.
The DUP, on the other hand, have the certainty of the fanatic.They will carry out their threats.
ERG and DUP - birds of the same feather - crazed lunatics!
Momentum is on other side is this piece of news, being accused of systematically uninviting Jews from a meeting hosted by McDonnell which is seen as a precursor to installing a 'problematic' JVL bod as Labour candidate in one of the most Jewish constituencies in the UK. https://twitter.com/BenWeich/status/1050313619936825345 What a shower.
Last time I was there I complained to the long serving Spanish waitress and she whispered in my ear 'everything here has changed. They now use a central warehouse and it takes days for them to arrive. Speak to the manager' The fact that it had gone from the busyest cafe on Old Compton St to the Marie Celeste should have given people a clue.
Thinking of croissants and France, and perhaps this is atypical of where I visited or live; but the amount of small bars, restaurants, shops, bakers in Domfront (Pop ~ 4000 I think) seemed way way higher than a small english town or large village of comparable size. Any thoughts on this ?
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Last year, I was near the end of a half-marathon run around my village when I passed the playground opposite my son's nursery. He was in the playground with some other children from the nursery and a few staff members.
He saw me and waved, so I went in through the gate, ran over to him, gave him a hug and kiss, and then ran off.
As I ran away, I saw two staff members I didn't know staring at me.
That evening, they laughed as they told me that they just saw a sweaty, messy man run up to one of their kids, kiss and handle him, and then run off. Fortunately there was a third staff member nearby who could tell them that I was actually his father.
It was a stupid thing for me to do, but I was rather tired at the time ...
So far, the ERG seem to have exhibited little spine. I think Mrs May would have little risk in facing them down. They appear to be nothing but ill-informed, bluster merchants. Why the Tory party lets them hold it ransom is beyond me.
I think that May can call their bluff.
It strikes me that the ERG gang have cried wolf far too often. Failing to follow through on threats undermines your credibility.
Having said that, the ERG have done remarkably well considering their complete lack of ability. Bluster and threats have allowed them to paralyse an entire government.
The DUP, on the other hand, have the certainty of the fanatic.They will carry out their threats.
ERG and DUP - birds of the same feather - crazed lunatics!
It is not politically correct or logical to call people lunatics because they hold different political views to you.
So far, the ERG seem to have exhibited little spine. I think Mrs May would have little risk in facing them down. They appear to be nothing but ill-informed, bluster merchants. Why the Tory party lets them hold it ransom is beyond me.
I think that May can call their bluff.
It strikes me that the ERG gang have cried wolf far too often. Failing to follow through on threats undermines your credibility.
Having said that, the ERG have done remarkably well considering their complete lack of ability. Bluster and threats have allowed them to paralyse an entire government.
The DUP, on the other hand, have the certainty of the fanatic.They will carry out their threats.
ERG and DUP - birds of the same feather - crazed lunatics!
It is not politically correct or logical to call people lunatics because they hold different political views to you.
So far, the ERG seem to have exhibited little spine. I think Mrs May would have little risk in facing them down. They appear to be nothing but ill-informed, bluster merchants. Why the Tory party lets them hold it ransom is beyond me.
I think that May can call their bluff.
It strikes me that the ERG gang have cried wolf far too often. Failing to follow through on threats undermines your credibility.
Having said that, the ERG have done remarkably well considering their complete lack of ability. Bluster and threats have allowed them to paralyse an entire government.
The DUP, on the other hand, have the certainty of the fanatic.They will carry out their threats.
ERG and DUP - birds of the same feather - crazed lunatics!
It is not politically correct or logical to call people lunatics because they hold different political views to you.
Last time I was there I complained to the long serving Spanish waitress and she whispered in my ear 'everything here has changed. They now use a central warehouse and it takes days for them to arrive. Speak to the manager' The fact that it had gone from the busyest cafe on Old Compton St to the Marie Celeste should have given people a clue.
Thinking of croissants and France, and perhaps this is atypical of where I visited or live; but the amount of small bars, restaurants, shops, bakers in Domfront (Pop ~ 4000 I think) seemed way way higher than a small english town or large village of comparable size. Any thoughts on this ?
I live somewhere a little bigger. We don’t have a baker as such, although the Co-op..... a medium sized store ... claims to ‘bake’ on the premises. We have ‘a’ butcher/deli and a pharmacy. Otherwise we have four or five ladies hairdressers, two mens' and a unisex.We’re much better off for restaurants pubs though. Three ‘good’ ones.... two very good...... and three pubs, all of which serve food. We also have one/two empty shops (plus living accommodation) which the landlord is trying to either let as one at £20,000 pa or sell as two residential units. The usual reason for the closure of cafe’s etc is the level of rates. Plus, of course the inflated and unreasonable demands of one in particular landlord.
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Voting down the deal would put the country on very dangerous and uncertain ground now.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
I doubt it. May would propose a Norway model via EFTA as the only plausible safe harbour. This I think would carry in parliament. The ERG would be apoplectic, but they would have been served their just desserts for wrecking any prospect of compromise.
Momentum is on other side is this piece of news, being accused of systematically uninviting Jews from a meeting hosted by McDonnell which is seen as a precursor to installing a 'problematic' JVL bod as Labour candidate in one of the most Jewish constituencies in the UK. https://twitter.com/BenWeich/status/1050313619936825345 What a shower.
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Voting down the deal would put the country on very dangerous and uncertain ground now.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
No Deal of course being the most obvious route to No Brexit at all
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
I doubt it. May would propose a Norway model via EFTA as the only plausible safe harbour. This I think would carry in parliament. The ERG would be apoplectic, but they would have been served their just desserts for wrecking any prospect of compromise.
EFTA is possible but it would need to be approved pretty quickly
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Voting down the deal would put the country on very dangerous and uncertain ground now.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
No Deal of course being the most obvious route to No Brexit at all
Pretty much. There's no way parliment, or a signifigant majorty of MPs on both sides which would accept no deal.
Unless we end up there by default as time runs out, which is a possibility.
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
I doubt it. May would propose a Norway model via EFTA as the only plausible safe harbour. This I think would carry in parliament. The ERG would be apoplectic, but they would have been served their just desserts for wrecking any prospect of compromise.
Problem is she probably wouldn't get a chance as those letters would be flooding in from ERG if she tried it.
Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
You don't have to go to Frankfurt to see rabbits on a roundabout. I saw a pair at Gatwick Airport once. How the hell they got there and whether they made if off again I'll never know.
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
I doubt it. May would propose a Norway model via EFTA as the only plausible safe harbour. This I think would carry in parliament. The ERG would be apoplectic, but they would have been served their just desserts for wrecking any prospect of compromise.
Problem is she probably wouldn't get a chance as those letters would be flooding in from ERG if she tried it.
That does not stop the fact a majority of MPs would prefer EFTA to No Deal and maybe even up to half of Tory MPs
So far, the ERG seem to have exhibited little spine. I think Mrs May would have little risk in facing them down. They appear to be nothing but ill-informed, bluster merchants. Why the Tory party lets them hold it ransom is beyond me.
I think that May can call their bluff.
This is all most amusing. The EU have ignored Chequers and are offering CETA. So basically May has achieved nothing and wants to offer a permanent backstop. That is not calling anyones’s bluff.
IF May had managed to agree Chequers with the EU, you could talk about compromise. But she proposed Chequers because it ‘solved’ the NI border and therefore the backstop would be unnecessary. Since it has been rejected the backstop is certain to be used. So based on May’s public comments she should reject it as the outcome crosses all her redlines. Selling out is simply an act of cowardice and lack of principle, not a compromise. And that is why the ERG and DUP will have no qualms about voting it down.
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Voting down the deal would put the country on very dangerous and uncertain ground now.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
No Deal of course being the most obvious route to No Brexit at all
Pretty much. There's no way parliment, or a signifigant majorty of MPs on both sides which would accept no deal.
Unless we end up there by default as time runs out, which is a possibility.
We will know if No Deal is on the cards next month when negotiations are complete, that gives 4 months until Brexit to change course
My only visit to Frankfurt was to tour a deep freezer factory.
Frankfurt has the infamous Lido Club which services (ahem) Rhein-Main AFB. That place is as sketchy as fuck. I went with a USMC KC-130 crew on the way back from Iraq. Once the brawl (employing fists, knives and boots) with Georgian gangsters started I almost wished I was back in Basra. The bouncers will also helpfully escort you to an ATM with a stun gun stuck up your arse if you can't pay your "champagne" bill. Recommended. 4.5 stars on the Dura Ace Depravity Scale.
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Voting down the deal would put the country on very dangerous and uncertain ground now.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
No Deal of course being the most obvious route to No Brexit at all
Pretty much. There's no way parliment, or a signifigant majorty of MPs on both sides which would accept no deal.
Unless we end up there by default as time runs out, which is a possibility.
I think that if No-Deal becomes imminent - say we reach February with the current paralysis continuing - then realpolitik will kick in and Brexit will be put on "Hold". No Deal has too many downsides for both us and the EU.
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
I doubt it. May would propose a Norway model via EFTA as the only plausible safe harbour. This I think would carry in parliament. The ERG would be apoplectic, but they would have been served their just desserts for wrecking any prospect of compromise.
Problem is she probably wouldn't get a chance as those letters would be flooding in from ERG if she tried it.
That does not stop the fact a majority of MPs would prefer EFTA to No Deal and maybe even up to half of Tory MPs
Thats true, but it doesn't take a majority for a leadership challenge.
The ERG can't win for sure, but they can do enough wrecking damage.
Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
You don't have to go to Frankfurt to see rabbits on a roundabout. I saw a pair at Gatwick Airport once. How the hell they got there and whether they made if off again I'll never know.
Hint: Rabbits dig tunnels
They do make one heck of a *bump* when you run over them...
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Voting down the deal would put the country on very dangerous and uncertain ground now.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
No Deal of course being the most obvious route to No Brexit at all
Pretty much. There's no way parliment, or a signifigant majorty of MPs on both sides which would accept no deal.
Unless we end up there by default as time runs out, which is a possibility.
I think that if No-Deal becomes imminent - say we reach February with the current paralysis continuing - then realpolitik will kick in and Brexit will be put on "Hold". No Deal has too many downsides for both us and the EU.
In theory yes. But it only takes 'something' or someone to say 'Nope, March it is, you're out' and we crash out, either on their side, or on ours. Who knows who the PM would be then or what they would say or do, let alone the EU27.
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
I doubt it. May would propose a Norway model via EFTA as the only plausible safe harbour. This I think would carry in parliament. The ERG would be apoplectic, but they would have been served their just desserts for wrecking any prospect of compromise.
Problem is she probably wouldn't get a chance as those letters would be flooding in from ERG if she tried it.
The ERG can precipotate a VONC but they can't win it.
There is an interesting theory that if we went straight from EU membership to EFTA membership we would retain our status as a contracting party to the EEA Agreement. Now the EEA Agreement is outside the customs union and so we could gain the upper hand over the Irish border fandango.
Lets be clear - Corbyn wants Brexit. Ideologically he dislikes the capitalist scum in Brussels brutally oppressing the Workers and Peasants. A Marxist crisis in Capitalism bringing about True Socialism is a prize that only is possible very occasionally. Practically he thinks that the EU will stop his ambitions to nationalise Cable and Wireless. Politically he understands that a lot of Labour voters in a lot of swing seats held or targeted want Brexit.
Whats more, he considers that having his MPs prop up the Tories and thus prove they cannot be trusted is a bonus. Significant chance of a vote where he whips his MPs to vote down a Tory deal that passes enough of Labour's 6 tests to be palatable...
If the City types who voted Remain still get to move to Europe for work, while the people who work locally and voted Leave don't... isn't that a nice outcome?
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Voting down the deal would put the country on very dangerous and uncertain ground now.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
No Deal of course being the most obvious route to No Brexit at all
Pretty much. There's no way parliment, or a signifigant majorty of MPs on both sides which would accept no deal.
Unless we end up there by default as time runs out, which is a possibility.
I think that if No-Deal becomes imminent - say we reach February with the current paralysis continuing - then realpolitik will kick in and Brexit will be put on "Hold". No Deal has too many downsides for both us and the EU.
The real reason that the establishment are desperate to avoid No Deal is because it will be a success. If the World does not end after all (and apart from a few hairy weeks it will be fine), there will be no way that the UK will ever rejoin or even realign with the EU, and plenty of EU members will start thinking that they can do the same and leave.
The risk in No Deal is not the economic risk, it is the political fallout. It calls the pro-EU bluff once and for all and they are terrified that their endless fear campaigns will be exposed for the utter nonense that it has always been.
Whatever the dreams of remainers, if May’s deal is defeated it will be no deal. The HOC is not going to be able to do anything about it.
If the City types who voted Remain still get to move to Europe for work, while the people who work locally and voted Leave don't... isn't that a nice outcome?
No. Those Leave voters are going to miss out on my tax revenues.
They won’t be happy when the government has to stop their working tax credits.
Ever make it to Tanamur in Jakarta? Asking for a friend.....
Nope. Never had a run ashore in Indonesia. The Bangkok visit on Invincible remains the gold standard. The aftermath involved the Captain and some briefcase wanker from the British embassy attending a meeting with Thai police where no coffee was served. I had a note that read "stole a tuk-tuk" permanently affixed to my file which is the only reason I never became 1st Sea Lord.
From pre-EURef it had been put to me that the UK is too large an economy for EEA/EFTA.
Neither do I think it now likely, nor do I believe the govt could get its sh*t together to organise it, but if they did decide EFTA was the preferred route, having sounded out current EFTA members first, then I'm sure the EU would put everything on hold until it was sorted.
But once again we would have a FoM roadblock. Or would we......!??
If the City types who voted Remain still get to move to Europe for work, while the people who work locally and voted Leave don't... isn't that a nice outcome?
No. Those Leave voters are going to miss out on my tax revenues.
They won’t be happy when the government has to stop their working tax credits.
That's not going to happen so I guess they'll manage fine. Nice outcome for everyone
If the City types who voted Remain still get to move to Europe for work, while the people who work locally and voted Leave don't... isn't that a nice outcome?
It depends whether they continue to get their subsidies. Indirectly, once senior people leave, they tend to be less interested in maintaining a presence in their old jurisdiction. To take a pertinent example, on anything other than a compromise exit, if Airbus has any material presence in the UK 10 years from now, I'd be surprised.
If the City types who voted Remain still get to move to Europe for work, while the people who work locally and voted Leave don't... isn't that a nice outcome?
No. Those Leave voters are going to miss out on my tax revenues.
They won’t be happy when the government has to stop their working tax credits.
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Voting down the deal would put the country on very dangerous and uncertain ground now.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
No Deal of course being the most obvious route to No Brexit at all
Pretty much. There's no way parliment, or a signifigant majorty of MPs on both sides which would accept no deal.
Unless we end up there by default as time runs out, which is a possibility.
I think that if No-Deal becomes imminent - say we reach February with the current paralysis continuing - then realpolitik will kick in and Brexit will be put on "Hold". No Deal has too many downsides for both us and the EU.
In theory yes. But it only takes 'something' or someone to say 'Nope, March it is, you're out' and we crash out, either on their side, or on ours. Who knows who the PM would be then or what they would say or do, let alone the EU27.
Even if it's a 10/20/30% chance, it's a risk.
Everything is a risk
This place is PoliticalBetting, not politicalcertainty.com
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Voting down the deal would put the country on very dangerous and uncertain ground now.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
No Deal of course being the most obvious route to No Brexit at all
Pretty much. There's no way parliment, or a signifigant majorty of MPs on both sides which would accept no deal.
Unless we end up there by default as time runs out, which is a possibility.
I think that if No-Deal becomes imminent - say we reach February with the current paralysis continuing - then realpolitik will kick in and Brexit will be put on "Hold". No Deal has too many downsides for both us and the EU.
I am not sure that’s true. No deal has been on the table for a while.
Ever make it to Tanamur in Jakarta? Asking for a friend.....
Nope. Never had a run ashore in Indonesia. The Bangkok visit on Invincible remains the gold standard. The aftermath involved the Captain and some briefcase wanker from the British embassy attending a meeting with Thai police where no coffee was served. I had a note that read "stole a tuk-tuk" permanently affixed to my file which is the only reason I never became 1st Sea Lord.
"Borrowed" surely?
I loved the story of slightly squiffy sailors enquiring of the US Cops in Florida 'does the queen know?' HMS not HM....
I was in Mombassa once when the US Fleet was in port....the working girls had been flocking in from all over East Africa....
From pre-EURef it had been put to me that the UK is too large an economy for EEA/EFTA.
Neither do I think it now likely, nor do I believe the govt could get its sh*t together to organise it, but if they did decide EFTA was the preferred route, having sounded out current EFTA members first, then I'm sure the EU would put everything on hold until it was sorted.
But once again we would have a FoM roadblock. Or would we......!??
It's almost too sensible to be possible, but I've long felt that we would likely end up with something like EFTA or a facsimile. I just wish we had started off from that position rather than the years of fannying around.
If the City types who voted Remain still get to move to Europe for work, while the people who work locally and voted Leave don't... isn't that a nice outcome?
No. Those Leave voters are going to miss out on my tax revenues.
They won’t be happy when the government has to stop their working tax credits.
"working"
It’ll make them poorer.
They’ll moan.
Chavland places like Essex will riot and cause tens of pounds worth of damage.
Ever make it to Tanamur in Jakarta? Asking for a friend.....
Nope. Never had a run ashore in Indonesia. The Bangkok visit on Invincible remains the gold standard. The aftermath involved the Captain and some briefcase wanker from the British embassy attending a meeting with Thai police where no coffee was served. I had a note that read "stole a tuk-tuk" permanently affixed to my file which is the only reason I never became 1st Sea Lord.
"Borrowed" surely?
I loved the story of slightly squiffy sailors enquiring of the US Cops in Florida 'does the queen know?' HMS not HM....
I was in Mombassa once when the US Fleet was in port....the working girls had been flocking in from all over East Africa....
To take a pertinent example, on anything other than a compromise exit, if Airbus has any material presence in the UK 10 years from now, I'd be surprised.
So would I, but that's got little to do with Brexit and more to do with BAE selling their stake in Airbus about a decade ago.
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Voting down the deal would put the country on very dangerous and uncertain ground now.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
No Deal of course being the most obvious route to No Brexit at all
Pretty much. There's no way parliment, or a signifigant majorty of MPs on both sides which would accept no deal.
Unless we end up there by default as time runs out, which is a possibility.
I think that if No-Deal becomes imminent - say we reach February with the current paralysis continuing - then realpolitik will kick in and Brexit will be put on "Hold". No Deal has too many downsides for both us and the EU.
In theory yes. But it only takes 'something' or someone to say 'Nope, March it is, you're out' and we crash out, either on their side, or on ours. Who knows who the PM would be then or what they would say or do, let alone the EU27.
Even if it's a 10/20/30% chance, it's a risk.
Everything is a risk
This place is PoliticalBetting, not politicalcertainty.com
Well it's a little different having a flutter for a few quid and the very fact of the future of the country...
Ever make it to Tanamur in Jakarta? Asking for a friend.....
Nope. Never had a run ashore in Indonesia. The Bangkok visit on Invincible remains the gold standard. The aftermath involved the Captain and some briefcase wanker from the British embassy attending a meeting with Thai police where no coffee was served. I had a note that read "stole a tuk-tuk" permanently affixed to my file which is the only reason I never became 1st Sea Lord.
"Borrowed" surely?
I loved the story of slightly squiffy sailors enquiring of the US Cops in Florida 'does the queen know?' HMS not HM....
I was in Mombassa once when the US Fleet was in port....the working girls had been flocking in from all over East Africa....
Ever make it to Tanamur in Jakarta? Asking for a friend.....
Nope. Never had a run ashore in Indonesia. The Bangkok visit on Invincible remains the gold standard. The aftermath involved the Captain and some briefcase wanker from the British embassy attending a meeting with Thai police where no coffee was served. I had a note that read "stole a tuk-tuk" permanently affixed to my file which is the only reason I never became 1st Sea Lord.
"Borrowed" surely?
I loved the story of slightly squiffy sailors enquiring of the US Cops in Florida 'does the queen know?' HMS not HM....
I was in Mombassa once when the US Fleet was in port....the working girls had been flocking in from all over East Africa....
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Voting down the deal would put the country on very dangerous and uncertain ground now.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
No Deal of course being the most obvious route to No Brexit at all
Pretty much. There's no way parliment, or a signifigant majorty of MPs on both sides which would accept no deal.
Unless we end up there by default as time runs out, which is a possibility.
I think that if No-Deal becomes imminent - say we reach February with the current paralysis continuing - then realpolitik will kick in and Brexit will be put on "Hold". No Deal has too many downsides for both us and the EU.
In theory yes. But it only takes 'something' or someone to say 'Nope, March it is, you're out' and we crash out, either on their side, or on ours. Who knows who the PM would be then or what they would say or do, let alone the EU27.
Even if it's a 10/20/30% chance, it's a risk.
Everything is a risk
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So far, the ERG seem to have exhibited little spine. I think Mrs May would have little risk in facing them down. They appear to be nothing but ill-informed, bluster merchants. Why the Tory party lets them hold it ransom is beyond me.
I think that May can call their bluff.
This is all most amusing. The EU have ignored Chequers and are offering CETA. So basically May has achieved nothing and wants to offer a permanent backstop. That is not calling anyones’s bluff.
IF May had managed to agree Chequers with the EU, you could talk about compromise. But she proposed Chequers because it ‘solved’ the NI border and therefore the backstop would be unnecessary. Since it has been rejected the backstop is certain to be used. So based on May’s public comments she should reject it as the outcome crosses all her redlines. Selling out is simply an act of cowardice and lack of principle, not a compromise. And that is why the ERG and DUP will have no qualms about voting it down.
Are you concerned that Labour rebels might get it over the line?
To take a pertinent example, on anything other than a compromise exit, if Airbus has any material presence in the UK 10 years from now, I'd be surprised.
So would I, but that's got little to do with Brexit and more to do with BAE selling their stake in Airbus about a decade ago.
It doesn't, really. It will be entirely to do with Brexit. I'm not going to post my CV to support this though so we're back to anonymous people on the internet make differing claims
Ever make it to Tanamur in Jakarta? Asking for a friend.....
Nope. Never had a run ashore in Indonesia. The Bangkok visit on Invincible remains the gold standard. The aftermath involved the Captain and some briefcase wanker from the British embassy attending a meeting with Thai police where no coffee was served. I had a note that read "stole a tuk-tuk" permanently affixed to my file which is the only reason I never became 1st Sea Lord.
"Borrowed" surely?
I loved the story of slightly squiffy sailors enquiring of the US Cops in Florida 'does the queen know?' HMS not HM....
I was in Mombassa once when the US Fleet was in port....the working girls had been flocking in from all over East Africa....
Around 30 Labour MPs are set to back May's deal according to reports this morning.
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Voting down the deal would put the country on very dangerous and uncertain ground now.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
No Deal of course being the most obvious route to No Brexit at all
Pretty much. There's no way parliment, or a signifigant majorty of MPs on both sides which would accept no deal.
Unless we end up there by default as time runs out, which is a possibility.
I think that if No-Deal becomes imminent - say we reach February with the current paralysis continuing - then realpolitik will kick in and Brexit will be put on "Hold". No Deal has too many downsides for both us and the EU.
In theory yes. But it only takes 'something' or someone to say 'Nope, March it is, you're out' and we crash out, either on their side, or on ours. Who knows who the PM would be then or what they would say or do, let alone the EU27.
Even if it's a 10/20/30% chance, it's a risk.
Everything is a risk
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Shh. You'll upset HYUFD.
Current polling indicates that HYFUD will not get upset.
To take a pertinent example, on anything other than a compromise exit, if Airbus has any material presence in the UK 10 years from now, I'd be surprised.
So would I, but that's got little to do with Brexit and more to do with BAE selling their stake in Airbus about a decade ago.
It doesn't, really. It will be entirely to do with Brexit. I'm not going to post my CV to support this though so we're back to anonymous people on the internet make differing claims
I worked there for a decade, on both sides of the sale date. Absolutely to do with Brexit. The amount of embedded expertise and corporate memory would be a huge, huge task to replace. It would not be contemplated with a very, very compelling reason to do so...
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I could see some Labour MP's and ex-Labour MP's deciding they had urgent business they had to attend to.
More likely, they would vote that they had no confidence in Theresa May and then work behind the scenes to put together another government under another leader (other than Jeremy Corbyn) with a more stable majority, if they could.
FPT @ Pulpstar Nigel Dodds and Emma Pengelly would probably hold their seats, but it would be tight, and their chances would be considerably enhanced if the new boundaries had gone through.
Momentum is on other side is this piece of news, being accused of systematically uninviting Jews from a meeting hosted by McDonnell which is seen as a precursor to installing a 'problematic' JVL bod as Labour candidate in one of the most Jewish constituencies in the UK.
https://twitter.com/BenWeich/status/1050313619936825345
What a shower.
The DUP, on the other hand, have the certainty of the fanatic.They will carry out their threats.
https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1050327488860172288
Any thoughts on this ?
If we end up with No Deal in November I think a second EU referendum is more likely than not before the Brexit date of the end of March 2019 and Remain would likely win it
Last year, I was near the end of a half-marathon run around my village when I passed the playground opposite my son's nursery. He was in the playground with some other children from the nursery and a few staff members.
He saw me and waved, so I went in through the gate, ran over to him, gave him a hug and kiss, and then ran off.
As I ran away, I saw two staff members I didn't know staring at me.
That evening, they laughed as they told me that they just saw a sweaty, messy man run up to one of their kids, kiss and handle him, and then run off. Fortunately there was a third staff member nearby who could tell them that I was actually his father.
It was a stupid thing for me to do, but I was rather tired at the time ...
* I assume.
We also have one/two empty shops (plus living accommodation) which the landlord is trying to either let as one at £20,000 pa or sell as two residential units.
The usual reason for the closure of cafe’s etc is the level of rates. Plus, of course the inflated and unreasonable demands of one in particular landlord.
anything could happen from No-Deal to No Brexit at all, and anyone which says they know what would happen is either an idiot or lying.
"John, it's Ken. Know who else banned Jews from public meetings...?"
https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089
As we leave the EU we could say "Thanks for all the fish".
My only visit to Frankfurt was to tour a deep freezer factory.
Unless we end up there by default as time runs out, which is a possibility.
IF May had managed to agree Chequers with the EU, you could talk about compromise. But she proposed Chequers because it ‘solved’ the NI border and therefore the backstop would be unnecessary. Since it has been rejected the backstop is certain to be used. So based on May’s public comments she should reject it as the outcome crosses all her redlines. Selling out is simply an act of cowardice and lack of principle, not a compromise. And that is why the ERG and DUP will have no qualms about voting it down.
The football team is decent, Eintrach Frankfurt are doing well. Fox jr did an exchange there and rather liked the city.
The ERG can't win for sure, but they can do enough wrecking damage.
They do make one heck of a *bump* when you run over them...
https://youtu.be/29Mg6Gfh9Co
Even if it's a 10/20/30% chance, it's a risk.
There is an interesting theory that if we went straight from EU membership to EFTA membership we would retain our status as a contracting party to the EEA Agreement. Now the EEA Agreement is outside the customs union and so we could gain the upper hand over the Irish border fandango.
Whats more, he considers that having his MPs prop up the Tories and thus prove they cannot be trusted is a bonus. Significant chance of a vote where he whips his MPs to vote down a Tory deal that passes enough of Labour's 6 tests to be palatable...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReIAna459sg
The risk in No Deal is not the economic risk, it is the political fallout. It calls the pro-EU bluff once and for all and they are terrified that their endless fear campaigns will be exposed for the utter nonense that it has always been.
Whatever the dreams of remainers, if May’s deal is defeated it will be no deal. The HOC is not going to be able to do anything about it.
They won’t be happy when the government has to stop their working tax credits.
Neither do I think it now likely, nor do I believe the govt could get its sh*t together to organise it, but if they did decide EFTA was the preferred route, having sounded out current EFTA members first, then I'm sure the EU would put everything on hold until it was sorted.
But once again we would have a FoM roadblock. Or would we......!??
And someone was objecting to the characterisation of arch-brexiteers as fanatics...
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"Borrowed" surely?
I loved the story of slightly squiffy sailors enquiring of the US Cops in Florida 'does the queen know?' HMS not HM....
I was in Mombassa once when the US Fleet was in port....the working girls had been flocking in from all over East Africa....
https://twitter.com/MrTCHarris/status/1050359085802147841
https://youtu.be/D5iu8u0aVWs
They’ll moan.
Chavland places like Essex will riot and cause tens of pounds worth of damage.
Easy to spout off about betrayal and it not hurting a bit when you are 10,000 miles away from the consequences of being wrong.