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  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    Roger said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anorak said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
    I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
    It does have the Frankfurt Book Fair, an opera house, and an English Theatre. With 750,000 people there's probably a lot going on.
    I reckon @Thescreamingeagles will be lederhosen clad and will have joined a local Oompah band within a month of touchdown at FRA
    I’d sooner eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    They serve nothing else in Frankfurt......
    I’ve been to Frankfurt several times this year. I’ve been satisfied with the food.
    I don't advise acting on gourmet advice from someone from Sheffield

    Mancunion sense of humour. My favourite
    Manchester doesn’t have a single Michelin starred restaurant.
    The Lowry
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anorak said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
    I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
    It does have the Frankfurt Book Fair, an opera house, and an English Theatre. With 750,000 people there's probably a lot going on.
    I reckon @Thescreamingeagles will be lederhosen clad and will have joined a local Oompah band within a month of touchdown at FRA
    I expect that he will enjoy a singalong in the bars:

    https://youtu.be/29Mg6Gfh9Co

    More like this, surely.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReIAna459sg
    God I miss Spitting Image. That program had real genius and stung. Now we have arseholes sitting on a "quiz" no one gives a damn about.
    The main writing credit there is for Ian Hislop.
    Yes I noticed that but he has got a bit too smug and comfortable too. Our political class are absurd, vain, ignorant, incompetent and egotistical. They could really do with something like Spitting Image taking them down a peg or 6.
    I’ll never forgive Hislop for supporting Andrew Wakefield.

    He’s ruined the lives of so many.
    It was the lack of apology or contrition that was the main thing.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    If May lost the Brexit vote and told HMQ her govt was resigning, what would Corbyn do? As things stand he can't get any kind of legislative programme passed. I assume he'd immediately call a general election in order to get the approx 15 more MPs he needs to be able to form a de facto coalition government that would support some of his programme.
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047

    Pulpstar said:

    The strange thing is though, their accounts from the 31st March 2018 look very strong. They had 4 times cash to pay their creditors !

    http://investors.patisserieholdings.co.uk/~/media/Files/P/Patisserie-Valerie-IR/results-presentations/interim-results-6months-31082018.pdf

    Cash and cash equivalents +28,840,000; Total liabilities +6,944,000; Net cash generated from operating activities +11,871,000

    OK So they do have "some" 'intangibles' but strip them out and the company's ratios still look great.
    Strong-looking accounts might be the problem.
    Luke Johnson is a BREXITer. He's used to presenting figures that don't add up.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    I see UC is finally blowing up. How is this a surprise to people like Johnny Mercer or indeed, by the sound of it the Cabinet (who Ester McVey had to brief this week)?

    I've been warning about the £2K or so many couples and lone parents would lose for months on here.

    I do sometimes really wonder what politicians actually do all day, when they don't know basic policy implications like this.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45817897

    "But it was made significantly less generous by former Chancellor George Osborne in his 2015 Budget, who raided it to pay for an increase in the personal allowance, the point at which people start paying income tax."

  • AndyJS said:

    Anyone know why Patisserie Valerie is on the brink of collapse?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45824285

    The stark statement to investors comes after the firm uncovered "significant, and potentially fraudulent, accounting irregularities".

    My guess would be that the rapid expansion hasn't gone well and they have actually been losing shit tonne of money, like so many of these "premium" high street food outlets.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    edited October 2018
    AndyJS said:

    Anyone know why Patisserie Valerie is on the brink of collapse?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45824285

    Fraud, by the sounds of it. They owe Inland Revenue over a million pounds.
  • Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anorak said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
    I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
    It does have the Frankfurt Book Fair, an opera house, and an English Theatre. With 750,000 people there's probably a lot going on.
    I reckon @Thescreamingeagles will be lederhosen clad and will have joined a local Oompah band within a month of touchdown at FRA
    I’d sooner eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    They serve nothing else in Frankfurt......
    I’ve been to Frankfurt several times this year. I’ve been satisfied with the food.
    I don't advise acting on gourmet advice from someone from Sheffield

    Mancunion sense of humour. My favourite
    Manchester doesn’t have a single Michelin starred restaurant.
    The Lowry
    Nope, even they don’t have one.

    Manchester hasn’t had one for years.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/manchester-misses-out-michelin-star-15223937.amp
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Anorak said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anorak said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
    I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
    It does have the Frankfurt Book Fair, an opera house, and an English Theatre. With 750,000 people there's probably a lot going on.
    I reckon @Thescreamingeagles will be lederhosen clad and will have joined a local Oompah band within a month of touchdown at FRA
    I expect that he will enjoy a singalong in the bars:

    https://youtu.be/29Mg6Gfh9Co

    More like this, surely.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReIAna459sg
    God I miss Spitting Image. That program had real genius and stung. Now we have arseholes sitting on a "quiz" no one gives a damn about.
    The main writing credit there is for Ian Hislop.
    Yes I noticed that but he has got a bit too smug and comfortable too. Our political class are absurd, vain, ignorant, incompetent and egotistical. They could really do with something like Spitting Image taking them down a peg or 6.
    I’ll never forgive Hislop for supporting Andrew Wakefield.

    He’s ruined the lives of so many.
    Did you put that down to an error-of-judgement or lost-the-plot anti-vaxing?
    Error of judgement followed by massive pride failure with refusal to admit he was wrong when the huge and copious evidence that Wakefield was a fraud came to light.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    AndyJS said:

    Anyone know why Patisserie Valerie is on the brink of collapse?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45824285

    Dodgy accounting seems to be the prevailing theory (backed up my PV press release). Heard rumours of embezzlement, but nothing firm on that. [can i get into trouble for posting that?]
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Alistair said:

    Anorak said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anorak said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
    I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
    It does have the Frankfurt Book Fair, an opera house, and an English Theatre. With 750,000 people there's probably a lot going on.
    I reckon @Thescreamingeagles will be lederhosen clad and will have joined a local Oompah band within a month of touchdown at FRA
    I expect that he will enjoy a singalong in the bars:

    https://youtu.be/29Mg6Gfh9Co

    More like this, surely.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReIAna459sg
    God I miss Spitting Image. That program had real genius and stung. Now we have arseholes sitting on a "quiz" no one gives a damn about.
    The main writing credit there is for Ian Hislop.
    Yes I noticed that but he has got a bit too smug and comfortable too. Our political class are absurd, vain, ignorant, incompetent and egotistical. They could really do with something like Spitting Image taking them down a peg or 6.
    I’ll never forgive Hislop for supporting Andrew Wakefield.

    He’s ruined the lives of so many.
    Did you put that down to an error-of-judgement or lost-the-plot anti-vaxing?
    Error of judgement followed by massive pride failure with refusal to admit he was wrong when the huge and copious evidence that Wakefield was a fraud came to light.
    So, like voting Leave.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2018
    GMS poll, Germany:

    CDU/CSU 27%
    AfD 18%
    Greens 16% (+1)
    SPD 15% (-1)
    FDP 10% (+1)
    Left 10%
    Others 4% (-1)

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    edited October 2018
    Scott_P said:
    Er, this has already happened in the past, on days other than April 1.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    AndyJS said:

    Anyone know why Patisserie Valerie is on the brink of collapse?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45824285

    The stark statement to investors comes after the firm uncovered "significant, and potentially fraudulent, accounting irregularities".

    My guess would be that the rapid expansion hasn't gone well and they have actually been losing shit tonne of money, like so many of these "premium" high street food outlets.
    http://investors.patisserieholdings.co.uk/~/media/Files/P/Patisserie-Valerie-IR/pr/pr-290115.pdf

    "Patisserie Holdings have been named IPO of the Year at the Grant Thornton Quoted Company
    Awards 2015."

    :D
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Current state of play in Nevada with the NYT phone polling:

    GOP 47%
    Dem 45%
    Undecided 7%

    Sample size: 608 so far
    Margin of error: 4%

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/upshot/elections-poll-nvsen-2.html
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    AndyJS said:

    GMS poll, Germany:

    CDU/CSU 27%
    AfD 18%
    Greens 16%
    SPD 15%
    FDP 10%
    Left 10%
    Others 4%

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

    if the SPD stay in coalition they are dead
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778
    Scott_P said:
    Who will stop this madness?

    We are being led to catastrophe by almost an entire political generation.

    If they can't get Brexit to be at least vaguely workable and sensible, then stop the clock and buy more time.

    It will not be forgotten.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:

    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Is he the one pointing and laughing at the fat people?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    GMS poll, Germany:

    CDU/CSU 27%
    AfD 18%
    Greens 16%
    SPD 15%
    FDP 10%
    Left 10%
    Others 4%

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

    if the SPD stay in coalition they are dead
    There's no sign of them pulling out. Inertia seems to be keeping them in the coalition.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anorak said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
    I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
    It does have the Frankfurt Book Fair, an opera house, and an English Theatre. With 750,000 people there's probably a lot going on.
    I reckon @Thescreamingeagles will be lederhosen clad and will have joined a local Oompah band within a month of touchdown at FRA
    I’d sooner eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    They serve nothing else in Frankfurt......
    I’ve been to Frankfurt several times this year. I’ve been satisfied with the food.
    I don't advise acting on gourmet advice from someone from Sheffield

    Mancunion sense of humour. My favourite
    Manchester doesn’t have a single Michelin starred restaurant.
    The Lowry
    Nope, even they don’t have one.

    Manchester hasn’t had one for years.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/manchester-misses-out-michelin-star-15223937.amp
    You're right! Surprising. Maybe the Ivy or Tast will get one next year
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    GMS poll, Germany:

    CDU/CSU 27%
    AfD 18%
    Greens 16%
    SPD 15%
    FDP 10%
    Left 10%
    Others 4%

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

    if the SPD stay in coalition they are dead
    There's no sign of them pulling out. Inertia seems to be keeping them in the coalition.
    theyre probably shit scared of an election, but really if they dont do something different theyre dead. The Greens are taking their voters.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    2nd referendum it is then

    Hold on, where did @Dura_Ace get to? Anyone seen him?
    J'y suis. J'y reste. To quote Patrice de McMahon.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited October 2018
    TGOHF said:

    AndyJS said:

    Anyone know why Patisserie Valerie is on the brink of collapse?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45824285

    The stark statement to investors comes after the firm uncovered "significant, and potentially fraudulent, accounting irregularities".

    My guess would be that the rapid expansion hasn't gone well and they have actually been losing shit tonne of money, like so many of these "premium" high street food outlets.
    http://investors.patisserieholdings.co.uk/~/media/Files/P/Patisserie-Valerie-IR/pr/pr-290115.pdf

    "Patisserie Holdings have been named IPO of the Year at the Grant Thornton Quoted Company
    Awards 2015."

    :D
    Is this where Mike Ashley appears at the last minute, offers a £1, stiffs the suppliers and turns the chain into a cake version of Greggs?
  • Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anorak said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
    I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
    It does have the Frankfurt Book Fair, an opera house, and an English Theatre. With 750,000 people there's probably a lot going on.
    I reckon @Thescreamingeagles will be lederhosen clad and will have joined a local Oompah band within a month of touchdown at FRA
    I’d sooner eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    They serve nothing else in Frankfurt......
    I’ve been to Frankfurt several times this year. I’ve been satisfied with the food.
    I don't advise acting on gourmet advice from someone from Sheffield

    Mancunion sense of humour. My favourite
    Manchester doesn’t have a single Michelin starred restaurant.
    The Lowry
    Nope, even they don’t have one.

    Manchester hasn’t had one for years.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/manchester-misses-out-michelin-star-15223937.amp
    You're right! Surprising. Maybe the Ivy or Tast will get one next year
    They really ought to give one star to The Adam Reid.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anorak said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
    I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
    It does have the Frankfurt Book Fair, an opera house, and an English Theatre. With 750,000 people there's probably a lot going on.
    I reckon @Thescreamingeagles will be lederhosen clad and will have joined a local Oompah band within a month of touchdown at FRA
    I’d sooner eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    They serve nothing else in Frankfurt......
    I’ve been to Frankfurt several times this year. I’ve been satisfied with the food.
    I don't advise acting on gourmet advice from someone from Sheffield

    Mancunion sense of humour. My favourite
    Manchester doesn’t have a single Michelin starred restaurant.
    The Lowry
    Nope, even they don’t have one.

    Manchester hasn’t had one for years.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/manchester-misses-out-michelin-star-15223937.amp
    You're right! Surprising. Maybe the Ivy or Tast will get one next year
    https://www.theupcoming.co.uk/2017/10/02/uk-michelin-star-restaurants-2018-full-list-and-map/
    It's like the little stars are afraid of Manchester. Wide berth.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,910
    AndyJS said:

    GMS poll, Germany:

    CDU/CSU 27%
    AfD 18%
    Greens 16%
    SPD 15%
    FDP 10%
    Left 10%
    Others 4%

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

    Of perhaps more immediate importance is the latest Civey poll (which samples over 5,000 people) in Bavaria:

    https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/special/bayern-monitor/CSU-faellt-in-Umfrage-auf-neuen-Tiefstand-id52413451.html

    For those whose German isn't up to it (and why not, we're all good Europeans, aren't we?):

    CSU 32.9% (-14.8 on the previous Landtag election in 2013)
    Greens 18.5% (+9.9)
    AfD 12.8% (+12.8%)
    SPD 11.0% (-9.6%)
    Free Voters 9.8% (+1.8%)
    FDP 5.9% (+2.6%)

    CSU/SPD had 68% of the vote in 2013, now they have 44%. On these numbers the CSU majority will go but what replaces them? Could they ally with the FDP and the Free Voters to form a new administration?
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited October 2018
    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    Anyone who's lived in Kent will be familiar with Operation Stack, which turns part of the M20 into a lorry park whenever there's bad weather in the Channel or a strike in France. This planned "Operation Brock" (which I suspect is a portmanteau of "Brexit" and "Stack") will be Operation Stack on steroids.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "The Natural History Museum must cancel tonight’s shameful Saudi party
    Owen Jones"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/11/natural-history-museum-blood-saudi-arabia-party
  • A Labour "rebellion" voting for a TM deal will either be v small (Hoey et al) or very large and effectively a VONC in Corbyn, and may thus precipitate the split many expect.

    Something in between strikes me as risky for those involved as it will be a small enough group to be deselection targets.

    Those soft Remainers wanting to reclaim the Labour mantle could use the opportunity to secure a soft Brexit, undermine Corbyn as wanting a no deal/hard brexit, and start with a political clean sheet post-Brexit.

    If I was wargaming getting rid of JC, this would be one of my key scenarios.

    I can see its appeal to voters too. The Tories own Brexit (and to be fair the credit for delivering "victory" but like Churchill mightn't win the peace), and Labour is in thrall to the Trots - possibly fertile ground for a moderate post-Brexit party.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Anyone know why Patisserie Valerie is on the brink of collapse?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45824285

    Fraud, by the sounds of it. They owe Inland Revenue over a million pounds.
    I've spotted fraud myself (Cheques heading out to a company masquerading as fake suppliers), but the banks still reconciled... ! (Essentially the company just looked like it was doing less well than it actually was during the time of the fraud)
    Stock can be a bit of a nebulous concept, I'd love to know how the £28.8m cash and equivalents got through the audit though. Can't see any other way than faking the bank statements.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    stodge said:

    AndyJS said:

    GMS poll, Germany:

    CDU/CSU 27%
    AfD 18%
    Greens 16%
    SPD 15%
    FDP 10%
    Left 10%
    Others 4%

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

    Of perhaps more immediate importance is the latest Civey poll (which samples over 5,000 people) in Bavaria:

    https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/special/bayern-monitor/CSU-faellt-in-Umfrage-auf-neuen-Tiefstand-id52413451.html

    For those whose German isn't up to it (and why not, we're all good Europeans, aren't we?):

    CSU 32.9% (-14.8 on the previous Landtag election in 2013)
    Greens 18.5% (+9.9)
    AfD 12.8% (+12.8%)
    SPD 11.0% (-9.6%)
    Free Voters 9.8% (+1.8%)
    FDP 5.9% (+2.6%)

    CSU/SPD had 68% of the vote in 2013, now they have 44%. On these numbers the CSU majority will go but what replaces them? Could they ally with the FDP and the Free Voters to form a new administration?
    some polls have the FDP just about on the 5% threshold in Bavaria. If they fall below it there are few viable coalitions.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:

    Er, this has already happened in the past, on days other than April 1.

    Errrr, no it hasn't...

    Read the article first.
  • Anorak said:

    AndyJS said:

    Anyone know why Patisserie Valerie is on the brink of collapse?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45824285

    Dodgy accounting seems to be the prevailing theory (backed up my PV press release). Heard rumours of embezzlement, but nothing firm on that. [can i get into trouble for posting that?]
    They've had their cake and eaten it?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778
    Dadge said:

    If May lost the Brexit vote and told HMQ her govt was resigning, what would Corbyn do? As things stand he can't get any kind of legislative programme passed. I assume he'd immediately call a general election in order to get the approx 15 more MPs he needs to be able to form a de facto coalition government that would support some of his programme.

    He would have no choice, is how I understand it. If he cannot command the house, and that effectively means win a confidence vote, then it's an election.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anorak said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
    I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
    It does have the Frankfurt Book Fair, an opera house, and an English Theatre. With 750,000 people there's probably a lot going on.
    I reckon @Thescreamingeagles will be lederhosen clad and will have joined a local Oompah band within a month of touchdown at FRA
    I’d sooner eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    They serve nothing else in Frankfurt......
    Don't laugh. I had a 12 month period of spending 2 days a week in Frankfurt. The food was goddamm awful
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited October 2018
    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    I presume we all know it is World Obesity day today....apparently we should all be ending our stigma / prejudices of fatties.

    https://twitter.com/WorldObesity/status/1050364129016520706
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    Er, this has already happened in the past, on days other than April 1.

    Errrr, no it hasn't...

    Read the article first.
    Isn’t it called operation stack?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2018
    stodge said:

    AndyJS said:

    GMS poll, Germany:

    CDU/CSU 27%
    AfD 18%
    Greens 16%
    SPD 15%
    FDP 10%
    Left 10%
    Others 4%

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

    Of perhaps more immediate importance is the latest Civey poll (which samples over 5,000 people) in Bavaria:

    https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/special/bayern-monitor/CSU-faellt-in-Umfrage-auf-neuen-Tiefstand-id52413451.html

    For those whose German isn't up to it (and why not, we're all good Europeans, aren't we?):

    CSU 32.9% (-14.8 on the previous Landtag election in 2013)
    Greens 18.5% (+9.9)
    AfD 12.8% (+12.8%)
    SPD 11.0% (-9.6%)
    Free Voters 9.8% (+1.8%)
    FDP 5.9% (+2.6%)

    CSU/SPD had 68% of the vote in 2013, now they have 44%. On these numbers the CSU majority will go but what replaces them? Could they ally with the FDP and the Free Voters to form a new administration?
    I don't know whether a CSU / Green coalition would be a possibility.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    Roger and I have a long and noble tradition of winding each other up Mr T.

  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,726
    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anorak said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
    I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
    It does have the Frankfurt Book Fair, an opera house, and an English Theatre. With 750,000 people there's probably a lot going on.
    I reckon @Thescreamingeagles will be lederhosen clad and will have joined a local Oompah band within a month of touchdown at FRA
    I’d sooner eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    They serve nothing else in Frankfurt......
    Don't laugh. I had a 12 month period of spending 2 days a week in Frankfurt. The food was goddamm awful
    Did you enjoy the Apfelwein?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anorak said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
    I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
    It does have the Frankfurt Book Fair, an opera house, and an English Theatre. With 750,000 people there's probably a lot going on.
    I reckon @Thescreamingeagles will be lederhosen clad and will have joined a local Oompah band within a month of touchdown at FRA
    I’d sooner eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    They serve nothing else in Frankfurt......
    Don't laugh. I had a 12 month period of spending 2 days a week in Frankfurt. The food was goddamm awful
    I really loved the pineapple with pizza
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2018

    Dadge said:

    If May lost the Brexit vote and told HMQ her govt was resigning, what would Corbyn do? As things stand he can't get any kind of legislative programme passed. I assume he'd immediately call a general election in order to get the approx 15 more MPs he needs to be able to form a de facto coalition government that would support some of his programme.

    He would have no choice, is how I understand it. If he cannot command the house, and that effectively means win a confidence vote, then it's an election.
    This is the latest ElectoralCalculus forecast based on recent polls:

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

    Con 305 (-13)
    Lab 262 (nc)
    LD 17 (+5)
    SNP 44 (+9)
    PC 3 (-1)
    Greens 1 (nc)
    Others 18 (nc)
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,910

    stodge said:

    Of perhaps more immediate importance is the latest Civey poll (which samples over 5,000 people) in Bavaria:

    https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/special/bayern-monitor/CSU-faellt-in-Umfrage-auf-neuen-Tiefstand-id52413451.html

    For those whose German isn't up to it (and why not, we're all good Europeans, aren't we?):

    CSU 32.9% (-14.8 on the previous Landtag election in 2013)
    Greens 18.5% (+9.9)
    AfD 12.8% (+12.8%)
    SPD 11.0% (-9.6%)
    Free Voters 9.8% (+1.8%)
    FDP 5.9% (+2.6%)

    CSU/SPD had 68% of the vote in 2013, now they have 44%. On these numbers the CSU majority will go but what replaces them? Could they ally with the FDP and the Free Voters to form a new administration?

    some polls have the FDP just about on the 5% threshold in Bavaria. If they fall below it there are few viable coalitions.
    Indeed - the notion of the CSU not governing Bavaria is about as realistic as the Conservatives not running Surrey.

    I wonder if the CSU will do a deal with the AfD.

  • Who could have guessed this was a possibility...

    Trans inmate jailed for Wakefield prison sex offences

    The court heard White, who was born male and now identifies as a woman, used her "transgender persona" to put herself in contact with vulnerable women.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-45825838

    You couldn’t make it up
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited October 2018

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    Roger and I have a long and noble tradition of winding each other up Mr T.

    Wind him up all you want but only use the same joke once...

    Edit: then again if we were all forbidden from repeating ourselves PB would shrink to 1/10th its current size.
  • Did they celebrate this decision with jazz hands?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:

    Isn’t it called operation stack?

    If you read the article, you would know.

    And no.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    Isn’t it called operation stack?

    If you read the article, you would know.

    And no.
    I am talking about the previous times it has happened.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Who could have guessed this was a possibility...

    Trans inmate jailed for Wakefield prison sex offences

    The court heard White, who was born male and now identifies as a woman, used her "transgender persona" to put herself in contact with vulnerable women.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-45825838

    You couldn’t make it up
    What type of prison will they be going to now?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
  • On the M26 news - TBH that is news. I knew that they were going to close J8-9 on the M20. Closing the M26 as well demonstrates just how bad this will get if Archer gets his way. How is it that "fake news" continues to be screamed despite the work having been started? News that the head of HMRC received death threats really drives home (not down the M26) point that hard core Brexiteers are morons.

    On haute cuisine in Manchester, can I recommend the Village Chippy on Bloom Street? Who needs a bloody French star thing when you can have top Fish and Chips instead?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    AndyJS said:

    stodge said:

    AndyJS said:

    GMS poll, Germany:

    CDU/CSU 27%
    AfD 18%
    Greens 16%
    SPD 15%
    FDP 10%
    Left 10%
    Others 4%

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

    Of perhaps more immediate importance is the latest Civey poll (which samples over 5,000 people) in Bavaria:

    https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/special/bayern-monitor/CSU-faellt-in-Umfrage-auf-neuen-Tiefstand-id52413451.html

    For those whose German isn't up to it (and why not, we're all good Europeans, aren't we?):

    CSU 32.9% (-14.8 on the previous Landtag election in 2013)
    Greens 18.5% (+9.9)
    AfD 12.8% (+12.8%)
    SPD 11.0% (-9.6%)
    Free Voters 9.8% (+1.8%)
    FDP 5.9% (+2.6%)

    CSU/SPD had 68% of the vote in 2013, now they have 44%. On these numbers the CSU majority will go but what replaces them? Could they ally with the FDP and the Free Voters to form a new administration?
    I don't know whether a CSU / Green coalition would be a possibility.
    There is a CDU/Grune coalition in Hesse which has gone full term. Obviously the CSU are a different beast, but not inconceivable.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:

    I am talking about the previous times it has happened.

    The article is talking about something that has never happened before.

    Why not just read it?

    It would be quicker than repeatedly demonstrating your ignorance
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Of perhaps more immediate importance is the latest Civey poll (which samples over 5,000 people) in Bavaria:

    https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/special/bayern-monitor/CSU-faellt-in-Umfrage-auf-neuen-Tiefstand-id52413451.html

    For those whose German isn't up to it (and why not, we're all good Europeans, aren't we?):

    CSU 32.9% (-14.8 on the previous Landtag election in 2013)
    Greens 18.5% (+9.9)
    AfD 12.8% (+12.8%)
    SPD 11.0% (-9.6%)
    Free Voters 9.8% (+1.8%)
    FDP 5.9% (+2.6%)

    CSU/SPD had 68% of the vote in 2013, now they have 44%. On these numbers the CSU majority will go but what replaces them? Could they ally with the FDP and the Free Voters to form a new administration?

    some polls have the FDP just about on the 5% threshold in Bavaria. If they fall below it there are few viable coalitions.
    Indeed - the notion of the CSU not governing Bavaria is about as realistic as the Conservatives not running Surrey.

    I wonder if the CSU will do a deal with the AfD.

    the SPD have been trying to get CDU\CSU to issue a statement to the effect they will never go in to coalition with the AfD

    problem is the SPD tried the same with Die Linke and then found they couldnt form a coalition without them. So they promptly junked the promise and now sit in government in Berlin with the former communists,
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    Scott_P said:
    was Osborne was demanding he make the number bigger ?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Pulpstar said:

    The strange thing is though, their accounts from the 31st March 2018 look very strong. They had 4 times cash to pay their creditors !

    http://investors.patisserieholdings.co.uk/~/media/Files/P/Patisserie-Valerie-IR/results-presentations/interim-results-6months-31082018.pdf

    Cash and cash equivalents +28,840,000; Total liabilities +6,944,000; Net cash generated from operating activities +11,871,000

    OK So they do have "some" 'intangibles' but strip them out and the company's ratios still look great.
    Yep, something has gone, very very wrong. If they have cash, they should be able to keep trading. If they can't then where exactly has the money gone?

    Even if they discovered a liability or wrote down some assets the cash should still be there,
    And if the auditors forgot to reconcile the cash number to a bank statement they have a problem...
  • RobD said:

    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
    The man in the high castle?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    I am talking about the previous times it has happened.

    The article is talking about something that has never happened before.

    Why not just read it?

    It would be quicker than repeatedly demonstrating your ignorance
    Motorways have never been used as lorry parks in the past? Huh.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited October 2018
    RobD said:

    Motorways have never been used as lorry parks in the past? Huh.

    Read the article and you will be enlightened
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    Roger and I have a long and noble tradition of winding each other up Mr T.

    Wind him up all you want but only use the same joke once...

    Edit: then again if we were all forbidden from repeating ourselves PB would shrink to 1/10th its current size.
    Im pleading thread change as I couldnt get him to bite last time
  • RobD said:

    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
    "this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country"
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    Roger and I have a long and noble tradition of winding each other up Mr T.

    Wind him up all you want but only use the same joke once...

    Edit: then again if we were all forbidden from repeating ourselves PB would shrink to 1/10th its current size.
    Im pleading thread change as I couldnt get him to bite last time
    LOL fair enough!
  • AndyJS said:

    Who could have guessed this was a possibility...

    Trans inmate jailed for Wakefield prison sex offences

    The court heard White, who was born male and now identifies as a woman, used her "transgender persona" to put herself in contact with vulnerable women.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-45825838

    You couldn’t make it up
    What type of prison will they be going to now?
    God knows.

    The people in charge of these things are smart arses who try to be clever all the time but lack any kind of common sense. It is beyond belief that a male rapist is put in a female prison.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    Motorways have never been used as lorry parks in the past? Huh.

    Read the article and you will be enlightened
    Apparently it has implemented at least 74 times up to 2007 - https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmhansrd/cm070201/debtext/70201-0019.htm#07020135001174
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    edited October 2018
    geoffw said:

    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Anorak said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    Dunno. Frankfurt doesn't seem to be humming with ethnic diversity according to that.
    I went to Frankfurt once. Rabbits on a roundabout. Some church bell that had all sorts of overtones when rung. Err, most of it passed me by, tbh.
    It does have the Frankfurt Book Fair, an opera house, and an English Theatre. With 750,000 people there's probably a lot going on.
    I reckon @Thescreamingeagles will be lederhosen clad and will have joined a local Oompah band within a month of touchdown at FRA
    I’d sooner eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    They serve nothing else in Frankfurt......
    Don't laugh. I had a 12 month period of spending 2 days a week in Frankfurt. The food was goddamm awful
    Did you enjoy the Apfelwein?
    With Handkase mit Musik. Voms.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    I presume we all know it is World Obesity day today....apparently we should all be ending our stigma / prejudices of fatties.

    https://twitter.com/WorldObesity/status/1050364129016520706
    I'll be celebrating with a 6 mile run this evening, need to drop around a stone to get out of the obese category acording to http://bmi.webmasters.sk/bmi-table.php.. quite how it is the same for men and women I'm not sure though given men's naturally higher muscle mass.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited October 2018
    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    I presume we all know it is World Obesity day today....apparently we should all be ending our stigma / prejudices of fatties.

    https://twitter.com/WorldObesity/status/1050364129016520706
    I'll be celebrating with a 6 mile run this evening, need to drop around a stone to get out of the obese category acording to http://bmi.webmasters.sk/bmi-table.php.. quite how it is the same for men and women I'm not sure though given men's naturally higher muscle mass.
    because BMI is an absolute bollocks metric....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    I presume we all know it is World Obesity day today....apparently we should all be ending our stigma / prejudices of fatties.

    https://twitter.com/WorldObesity/status/1050364129016520706
    I'll be celebrating with a 6 mile run this evening, need to drop around a stone to get out of the obese category acording to http://bmi.webmasters.sk/bmi-table.php.. quite how it is the same for men and women I'm not sure though given men's naturally higher muscle mass.
    Equality ;)
  • Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    I presume we all know it is World Obesity day today....apparently we should all be ending our stigma / prejudices of fatties.

    https://twitter.com/WorldObesity/status/1050364129016520706
    I'll be celebrating with a 6 mile run this evening, need to drop around a stone to get out of the obese category acording to http://bmi.webmasters.sk/bmi-table.php.. quite how it is the same for men and women I'm not sure though given men's naturally higher muscle mass.
    because BMI is absolute bollocks....
    It's an indicator, not a be all or end all.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:
    Not what the article is about.

    Read it. You might learn something...

    Oh wait, a Brexiteer? Never mind.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    Feels like the torrential rain in South Wales has arrived early...

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    I presume we all know it is World Obesity day today....apparently we should all be ending our stigma / prejudices of fatties.

    https://twitter.com/WorldObesity/status/1050364129016520706
    I'll be celebrating with a 6 mile run this evening, need to drop around a stone to get out of the obese category acording to http://bmi.webmasters.sk/bmi-table.php.. quite how it is the same for men and women I'm not sure though given men's naturally higher muscle mass.
    because BMI is an absolute bollocks metric....
    It doesn't work for bulky people with a lot of muscle rather than fat. At least that's what I've read.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220

    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    I presume we all know it is World Obesity day today....apparently we should all be ending our stigma / prejudices of fatties.

    https://twitter.com/WorldObesity/status/1050364129016520706
    I'll be celebrating with a 6 mile run this evening, need to drop around a stone to get out of the obese category acording to http://bmi.webmasters.sk/bmi-table.php.. quite how it is the same for men and women I'm not sure though given men's naturally higher muscle mass.
    because BMI is an absolute bollocks metric....
    Still, I should be around 90Kg, not this current 110 or so xD.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Charles said:

    Looks like TSE has landed on his feet! What a thrilling video.....I'm packing my bags....

    https://twitter.com/FMFdigital/status/1049634298955993089

    That is possibly the worst advert I have ever seen!
    "I'm Furt. Frank Furt".

    Unfortunately it does not bound into the 'so bad its good' category....its simply turgid and dull. Given the subject, quite appropriate I suppose.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    edited October 2018
    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    I presume we all know it is World Obesity day today....apparently we should all be ending our stigma / prejudices of fatties.

    https://twitter.com/WorldObesity/status/1050364129016520706
    I'll be celebrating with a 6 mile run this evening, need to drop around a stone to get out of the obese category acording to http://bmi.webmasters.sk/bmi-table.php.. quite how it is the same for men and women I'm not sure though given men's naturally higher muscle mass.
    because BMI is an absolute bollocks metric....
    It doesn't work for bulky people with a lot of muscle rather than fat. At least that's what I've read.
    I think that's used as an excuse by more people than it is true for. However I think my legs are unusually short for my height (31", just under 6'1 tall).
    Edit: It's also curious as to why the chart is the same for males and females, a woman at 20% bodyfat will look a hell of alot fitter/leaner than a man with the same.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    RobD said:

    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
    It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    AndyJS said:

    Dadge said:

    If May lost the Brexit vote and told HMQ her govt was resigning, what would Corbyn do? As things stand he can't get any kind of legislative programme passed. I assume he'd immediately call a general election in order to get the approx 15 more MPs he needs to be able to form a de facto coalition government that would support some of his programme.

    He would have no choice, is how I understand it. If he cannot command the house, and that effectively means win a confidence vote, then it's an election.
    This is the latest ElectoralCalculus forecast based on recent polls:

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

    Con 305 (-13)
    Lab 262 (nc)
    LD 17 (+5)
    SNP 44 (+9)
    PC 3 (-1)
    Greens 1 (nc)
    Others 18 (nc)
    Wow, that's even more unworkable than what they've got now. Con-SNP? Grand Coalition with a Tory Prime Minister and Jeremy Corbyn as Chancellor or Foreign Secretary?
  • Scott_P said:
    Report from Sky they need a six hour modification and not all the aircraft are affected. One of those on our aircraft carrier is unaffected
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    I presume we all know it is World Obesity day today....apparently we should all be ending our stigma / prejudices of fatties.

    https://twitter.com/WorldObesity/status/1050364129016520706
    I'll be celebrating with a 6 mile run this evening, need to drop around a stone to get out of the obese category acording to http://bmi.webmasters.sk/bmi-table.php.. quite how it is the same for men and women I'm not sure though given men's naturally higher muscle mass.
    because BMI is an absolute bollocks metric....
    Still, I should be around 90Kg, not this current 110 or so xD.
    Was it Eric Morecambe who said "I am not overweight. I may be under-tall"?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749

    RobD said:

    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
    It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
    Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

    I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389

    RobD said:

    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
    It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
    When I was growing up in the Seventies and Eighties, there were plenty of veterans at Remembrance Services
  • Bit more than a rounding error in the accounts....
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
    It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
    Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

    I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
    Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749
    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    I scrolled past that and assumed it was Monaco.

    Should have gone to Specsavers.
    that bloke sat outside Greggs is Roger
    Naughty Alan. One Greggs/Roger joke per quarter is quite enough.
    I presume we all know it is World Obesity day today....apparently we should all be ending our stigma / prejudices of fatties.

    https://twitter.com/WorldObesity/status/1050364129016520706
    I'll be celebrating with a 6 mile run this evening, need to drop around a stone to get out of the obese category acording to http://bmi.webmasters.sk/bmi-table.php.. quite how it is the same for men and women I'm not sure though given men's naturally higher muscle mass.
    because BMI is an absolute bollocks metric....
    It doesn't work for bulky people with a lot of muscle rather than fat. At least that's what I've read.
    I think that's used as an excuse by more people than it is true for. However I think my legs are unusually short for my height (31", just under 6'1 tall).
    Edit: It's also curious as to why the chart is the same for males and females, a woman at 20% bodyfat will look a hell of alot fitter/leaner than a man with the same.
    BMI is a reasonable measure on a population basis, but less useful on an individual basis for predicting risk.

    I commend the waist height ratio. Your waist (at umbilical level) should be less than half height.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Sean_F said:

    Sometimes, war is unavoidable.

    Is that a Swiss motto?
  • Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
    It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
    Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

    I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
    Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749
    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
    It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
    Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

    I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
    Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
    and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
    It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
    Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

    I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
    Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
    and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
    Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    edited October 2018
    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
    It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
    Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

    I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
    Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
    and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
    Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
    I wonder if we would have declared war in 1939 if the issue had been decided by a popular referendum.

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Scott_P said:
    No not "big implications". Engineers will examine, design fix, implement. During the fix/implement time, there will be a regime of more-frequent inspections, or replacements at shorter intervals than before, or a limit to 6G turns or something. Happens all the time.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
    It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
    Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

    I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
    Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
    and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
    Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
    I wonder if we would have declared war in 1939 if the issue had been put to a referendum.

    By September 1939, yes. Not in Autumn 1938.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
    It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
    Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

    I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
    Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
    and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
    Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
    I wonder if we would have declared war in 1939 if the issue had been decided by a popular referendum.

    This doesn't completely answer your question but

    https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-two/causes-of-ww2/public-opinion-and-appeasement-in-1938/
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