God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
When I was growing up in the Seventies and Eighties, there were plenty of veterans at Remembrance Services
Yes the remembrance industry really took off after the Falklands I think.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
The problem is telling the diferrence. Even in hindsight, basically impossible.
No not "big implications". Engineers will examine, design fix, implement. During the fix/implement time, there will be a regime of more-frequent inspections, or replacements at shorter intervals than before, or a limit to 6G turns or something. Happens all the time.
What a shame the US cancelled the F136 alternative engine. We should have pulled out of the project the moment they did that ...
No not "big implications". Engineers will examine, design fix, implement. During the fix/implement time, there will be a regime of more-frequent inspections, or replacements at shorter intervals than before, or a limit to 6G turns or something. Happens all the time.
Do people get that hyperbolic when Airbus, Boeing or one of the engine OEMs issues an AD or changes repetitive inspection times? The desire to advertise marginal knowledge going on ignorance is startling.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
When I was growing up in the Seventies and Eighties, there were plenty of veterans at Remembrance Services
Yes the remembrance industry really took off after the Falklands I think.
No I don't think so it was still a grubby, dirty little secret then. Soldiers transmogrified much later, maybe with seeds around Gulf I. It then grew with Gulf II, Afghan, and beyond, by which time HMF were full blown "heroes". Perhaps a reaction to the numbers coming back injured as well as those who died.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
No not "big implications". Engineers will examine, design fix, implement. During the fix/implement time, there will be a regime of more-frequent inspections, or replacements at shorter intervals than before, or a limit to 6G turns or something. Happens all the time.
Do people get that hyperbolic when Airbus, Boeing or one of the engine OEMs issues an AD or changes repetitive inspection times? The desire to advertise marginal knowledge going on ignorance is startling.
That's the joy of the internet. Everyone has a voice and thinks they're an expert. I mean, just look at my posts. And most of the rest on here :-)
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
No not "big implications". Engineers will examine, design fix, implement. During the fix/implement time, there will be a regime of more-frequent inspections, or replacements at shorter intervals than before, or a limit to 6G turns or something. Happens all the time.
Do people get that hyperbolic when Airbus, Boeing or one of the engine OEMs issues an AD or changes repetitive inspection times? The desire to advertise marginal knowledge going on ignorance is startling.
Well, their 'your aircraft carrier hasn't got any planes' has pretty much run its course....so they have to think of something else.....
No not "big implications". Engineers will examine, design fix, implement. During the fix/implement time, there will be a regime of more-frequent inspections, or replacements at shorter intervals than before, or a limit to 6G turns or something. Happens all the time.
Do people get that hyperbolic when Airbus, Boeing or one of the engine OEMs issues an AD or changes repetitive inspection times? The desire to advertise marginal knowledge going on ignorance is startling.
Well, their 'your aircraft carrier hasn't got any planes' has pretty much run its course....so they have to think of something else.....
No not "big implications". Engineers will examine, design fix, implement. During the fix/implement time, there will be a regime of more-frequent inspections, or replacements at shorter intervals than before, or a limit to 6G turns or something. Happens all the time.
Do people get that hyperbolic when Airbus, Boeing or one of the engine OEMs issues an AD or changes repetitive inspection times? The desire to advertise marginal knowledge going on ignorance is startling.
There's probably several things going on. It's a massive high-tech toy of the modern military, and therefore ripe for ridicule. It's late, massively over-budget and controversial. And finally there are other branches of the forces, and other suppliers, who'd quite like the numbers reduced so that the money saved would be spent on other shiny high-tech toys for, or from, them.
So much has been spent on this project (and I quite like it as a plane, although IANAE and like shiny toys) that you'd hope the roll-out to be fairly straightforward.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
When I was growing up in the Seventies and Eighties, there were plenty of veterans at Remembrance Services
Yes the remembrance industry really took off after the Falklands I think.
No I don't think so it was still a grubby, dirty little secret then. Soldiers transmogrified much later, maybe with seeds around Gulf I. It then grew with Gulf II, Afghan, and beyond, by which time HMF were full blown "heroes". Perhaps a reaction to the numbers coming back injured as well as those who died.
It was also as a result of social media. Prior to that, campaigns were mainly shrouded in mystery and, as I said, grubby, and arguably immoral. Once the country could see a properly televised war, embedded journalists, and watch firefights in Sangin on youtube set to music by The Automatic, then perceptions changed, and responses to the soldiers and "soldiers" was changed accordingly.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
When I was growing up in the Seventies and Eighties, there were plenty of veterans at Remembrance Services
Yes the remembrance industry really took off after the Falklands I think.
No I don't think so it was still a grubby, dirty little secret then. Soldiers transmogrified much later, maybe with seeds around Gulf I. It then grew with Gulf II, Afghan, and beyond, by which time HMF were full blown "heroes". Perhaps a reaction to the numbers coming back injured as well as those who died.
It was also as a result of social media. Prior to that, campaigns were mainly shrouded in mystery and, as I said, grubby, and arguably immoral. Once the country could see a properly televised war, embedded journalists, and watch firefights in Sangin on youtube set to music by The Automatic, then perceptions changed, and responses to the soldiers and "soldiers" was changed accordingly.
How does that tally with 27 million poppies made in 1924?
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
When I was growing up in the Seventies and Eighties, there were plenty of veterans at Remembrance Services
Yes the remembrance industry really took off after the Falklands I think.
No I don't think so it was still a grubby, dirty little secret then. Soldiers transmogrified much later, maybe with seeds around Gulf I. It then grew with Gulf II, Afghan, and beyond, by which time HMF were full blown "heroes". Perhaps a reaction to the numbers coming back injured as well as those who died.
It was also as a result of social media. Prior to that, campaigns were mainly shrouded in mystery and, as I said, grubby, and arguably immoral. Once the country could see a properly televised war, embedded journalists, and watch firefights in Sangin on youtube set to music by The Automatic, then perceptions changed, and responses to the soldiers and "soldiers" was changed accordingly.
WWI was heavily censored, but WWII much less so. In the case of the latter, most people would have had a reasonably clear idea of what was going on.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
When I was growing up in the Seventies and Eighties, there were plenty of veterans at Remembrance Services
Yes the remembrance industry really took off after the Falklands I think.
No I don't think so it was still a grubby, dirty little secret then. Soldiers transmogrified much later, maybe with seeds around Gulf I. It then grew with Gulf II, Afghan, and beyond, by which time HMF were full blown "heroes". Perhaps a reaction to the numbers coming back injured as well as those who died.
It was also as a result of social media. Prior to that, campaigns were mainly shrouded in mystery and, as I said, grubby, and arguably immoral. Once the country could see a properly televised war, embedded journalists, and watch firefights in Sangin on youtube set to music by The Automatic, then perceptions changed, and responses to the soldiers and "soldiers" was changed accordingly.
How does that tally with 27 million poppies made in 1924?
The scope and breadth of WWI was extraordinary and hence it is perfectly understandable that there should have been a corresponding reaction to it.
And as for @Sean_F, there was still a lot of Pathe-isation in WWII. Whereas not so much of this
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
When I was growing up in the Seventies and Eighties, there were plenty of veterans at Remembrance Services
Yes the remembrance industry really took off after the Falklands I think.
No I don't think so it was still a grubby, dirty little secret then. Soldiers transmogrified much later, maybe with seeds around Gulf I. It then grew with Gulf II, Afghan, and beyond, by which time HMF were full blown "heroes". Perhaps a reaction to the numbers coming back injured as well as those who died.
It was also as a result of social media. Prior to that, campaigns were mainly shrouded in mystery and, as I said, grubby, and arguably immoral. Once the country could see a properly televised war, embedded journalists, and watch firefights in Sangin on youtube set to music by The Automatic, then perceptions changed, and responses to the soldiers and "soldiers" was changed accordingly.
How does that tally with 27 million poppies made in 1924?
The scope and breadth of WWI was extraordinary and hence it is perfectly understandable that there should have been a corresponding reaction to it.
And as for @Sean_F, there was still a lot of Pathe-isation in WWII. Whereas not so much of this
This is one of the most shocking WWII videos I've seen. People get badly hurt on camera. Don't watch if that will upset you. It wasn't all sanitised 'They don't like it up 'em, sir!' stuff.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
When I was growing up in the Seventies and Eighties, there were plenty of veterans at Remembrance Services
Yes the remembrance industry really took off after the Falklands I think.
No I don't think so it was still a grubby, dirty little secret then. Soldiers transmogrified much later, maybe with seeds around Gulf I. It then grew with Gulf II, Afghan, and beyond, by which time HMF were full blown "heroes". Perhaps a reaction to the numbers coming back injured as well as those who died.
It was also as a result of social media. Prior to that, campaigns were mainly shrouded in mystery and, as I said, grubby, and arguably immoral. Once the country could see a properly televised war, embedded journalists, and watch firefights in Sangin on youtube set to music by The Automatic, then perceptions changed, and responses to the soldiers and "soldiers" was changed accordingly.
How does that tally with 27 million poppies made in 1924?
The scope and breadth of WWI was extraordinary and hence it is perfectly understandable that there should have been a corresponding reaction to it.
And as for @Sean_F, there was still a lot of Pathe-isation in WWII. Whereas not so much of this
My mate is in Kabul at the moment, working private security for the Japanese. He works eight weeks on, four off. He said it's gotten really bad out there this past 12 months. He showed me some footage of a suicide car bomber taken from their dashcam this summer. Nobody was killed except the bomber, but still mental to watch.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
When I was growing up in the Seventies and Eighties, there were plenty of veterans at Remembrance Services
Yes the remembrance industry really took off after the Falklands I think.
No I don't think so it was still a grubby, dirty little secret then. Soldiers transmogrified much later, maybe with seeds around Gulf I. It then grew with Gulf II, Afghan, and beyond, by which time HMF were full blown "heroes". Perhaps a reaction to the numbers coming back injured as well as those who died.
It was also as a result of social media. Prior to that, campaigns were mainly shrouded in mystery and, as I said, grubby, and arguably immoral. Once the country could see a properly televised war, embedded journalists, and watch firefights in Sangin on youtube set to music by The Automatic, then perceptions changed, and responses to the soldiers and "soldiers" was changed accordingly.
How does that tally with 27 million poppies made in 1924?
The scope and breadth of WWI was extraordinary and hence it is perfectly understandable that there should have been a corresponding reaction to it.
And as for @Sean_F, there was still a lot of Pathe-isation in WWII. Whereas not so much of this
This is one of the most shocking WWII videos I've seen. People get badly hurt on camera. Don't watch if that will upset you. It wasn't all sanitised 'They don't like it up 'em, sir!' stuff.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
When I was growing up in the Seventies and Eighties, there were plenty of veterans at Remembrance Services
Yes the remembrance industry really took off after the Falklands I think.
No I don't think so it was still a grubby, dirty little secret then. Soldiers transmogrified much later, maybe with seeds around Gulf I. It then grew with Gulf II, Afghan, and beyond, by which time HMF were full blown "heroes". Perhaps a reaction to the numbers coming back injured as well as those who died.
It was also as a result of social media. Prior to that, campaigns were mainly shrouded in mystery and, as I said, grubby, and arguably immoral. Once the country could see a properly televised war, embedded journalists, and watch firefights in Sangin on youtube set to music by The Automatic, then perceptions changed, and responses to the soldiers and "soldiers" was changed accordingly.
How does that tally with 27 million poppies made in 1924?
The scope and breadth of WWI was extraordinary and hence it is perfectly understandable that there should have been a corresponding reaction to it.
And as for @Sean_F, there was still a lot of Pathe-isation in WWII. Whereas not so much of this
This is one of the most shocking WWII videos I've seen. People get badly hurt on camera. Don't watch if that will upset you. It wasn't all sanitised 'They don't like it up 'em, sir!' stuff.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
When I was growing up in the Seventies and Eighties, there were plenty of veterans at Remembrance Services
Yes the remembrance industry really took off after the Falklands I think.
No I don't think so it was still a grubby, dirty little secret then. Soldiers transmogrified much later, maybe with seeds around Gulf I. It then grew with Gulf II, Afghan, and beyond, by which time HMF were full blown "heroes". Perhaps a reaction to the numbers coming back injured as well as those who died.
It was also as a result of social media. Prior to that, campaigns were mainly shrouded in mystery and, as I said, grubby, and arguably immoral. Once the country could see a properly televised war, embedded journalists, and watch firefights in Sangin on youtube set to music by The Automatic, then perceptions changed, and responses to the soldiers and "soldiers" was changed accordingly.
How does that tally with 27 million poppies made in 1924?
The scope and breadth of WWI was extraordinary and hence it is perfectly understandable that there should have been a corresponding reaction to it.
And as for @Sean_F, there was still a lot of Pathe-isation in WWII. Whereas not so much of this
My mate is in Kabul at the moment, working private security for the Japanese. He works eight weeks on, four off. He said it's gotten really bad out there this past 12 months. He showed me some footage of a suicide car bomber taken from their dashcam this summer. Nobody was killed except the bomber, but still mental to watch.
Yep it's keeping ex-HMF personnel well engaged albeit the work is not as lucrative as it once was.
If May lost the Brexit vote and told HMQ her govt was resigning, what would Corbyn do? As things stand he can't get any kind of legislative programme passed. I assume he'd immediately call a general election in order to get the approx 15 more MPs he needs to be able to form a de facto coalition government that would support some of his programme.
He would have no choice, is how I understand it. If he cannot command the house, and that effectively means win a confidence vote, then it's an election.
This is the latest ElectoralCalculus forecast based on recent polls:
Con 305 (-13) Lab 262 (nc) LD 17 (+5) SNP 44 (+9) PC 3 (-1) Greens 1 (nc) Others 18 (nc)
Wow, that's even more unworkable than what they've got now. Con-SNP? Grand Coalition with a Tory Prime Minister and Jeremy Corbyn as Chancellor or Foreign Secretary?
It effectively gives the LDs a veto on any type of government.
No not "big implications". Engineers will examine, design fix, implement. During the fix/implement time, there will be a regime of more-frequent inspections, or replacements at shorter intervals than before, or a limit to 6G turns or something. Happens all the time.
Do people get that hyperbolic when Airbus, Boeing or one of the engine OEMs issues an AD or changes repetitive inspection times? The desire to advertise marginal knowledge going on ignorance is startling.
To be fair, it did result in a smoking crater. But then again there's only one engine on one of those beasts. Commercial airliners have a tad more redundancy! But to answer your question, no they, don't, other than the usual excitement on social media when a fan blade, or disc fragment leaves holes in places where there aren't normally holes. The lack of grounding the fleet even in those instances is telling in itself.
I'll be celebrating with a 6 mile run this evening, need to drop around a stone to get out of the obese category acording to http://bmi.webmasters.sk/bmi-table.php.. quite how it is the same for men and women I'm not sure though given men's naturally higher muscle mass.
because BMI is an absolute bollocks metric....
It doesn't work for bulky people with a lot of muscle rather than fat. At least that's what I've read.
I think that's used as an excuse by more people than it is true for. However I think my legs are unusually short for my height (31", just under 6'1 tall). Edit: It's also curious as to why the chart is the same for males and females, a woman at 20% bodyfat will look a hell of alot fitter/leaner than a man with the same.
A lot of rugby players would be classified as overweight using BMI despite being good athletes so I don't think it's always an excuse.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
Hence the importance of early intervention and constant watchfulness. WW2 may not have been preventable in 1938, but was that true in 1930?
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
Hence the importance of early intervention and constant watchfulness. WW2 may not have been preventable in 1938, but was that true in 1930?
Mr. Glenn, better to remain in the EU than to leave on those terms, subject to the EU rules without even a glimmer of influence. It'd be an insane thing to agree.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
Hence the importance of early intervention and constant watchfulness. WW2 may not have been preventable in 1938, but was that true in 1930?
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
Hence the importance of early intervention and constant watchfulness. WW2 may not have been preventable in 1938, but was that true in 1930?
Yes, IMHO, had we been willing to act as soon as it was clear that Germany was not prepared to abide by the terms of the Versailles Treaty.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
Hence the importance of early intervention and constant watchfulness. WW2 may not have been preventable in 1938, but was that true in 1930?
It was probably preventable in 1918.
WW1 was preventable in 1914
we should have sat it out
The French would still have won on the Marne without us, in 1914, and so there would have been a lengthy slogging match on the Eastern and Western fronts.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
Hence the importance of early intervention and constant watchfulness. WW2 may not have been preventable in 1938, but was that true in 1930?
It was probably preventable in 1918.
Yes, probably so. Unconditional surrender and occupation, or a less punitive treaty of Versaillies.
Or even a lifting of the economic blockade in the period between the armistice and the treaty. Estimates vary, but perhaps 100,000 Germans died of hunger during the eight months postwar blockade.
For anyone who hasn't seen the BBC prog about the Assad family it's well worth watching. As I suspected Bashir comes accross as sincere and thoughtful and a long way from the beast that has been painted. His father is a different story. Watching his male soldiers mangling puppies to death and getting the female soldiers to bite the heads off snakes for his amusement was something else.
For those who know the area the contrast between the primitive Saudis and the more civilised Lebanese and Syrians couldn't be more stark.
Mr. Glenn, better to remain in the EU than to leave on those terms, subject to the EU rules without even a glimmer of influence. It'd be an insane thing to agree.
Insane? You seem to think that "EU rules" will lead to mass starvation and apocalyptic landscapes. What exactly do you think they are going to do, given the same rules will apply in Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, Warsaw, ... , ... ?
I think the more vocal brexiteers might object, but I have a feeling the foot soldiers are getting tired of the whole thing. The 3 or 4 people I know in real life who have expressed phobic opinions in the past seem noticeably quiet about the whole thing now. If May's plan is to obfuscate, frustrate and bore the opposition to a soft Brexit into torpid inaction - I think it is working.
Mr. Glenn, better to remain in the EU than to leave on those terms, subject to the EU rules without even a glimmer of influence. It'd be an insane thing to agree.
And our hanky-waving friend provides more data to support my idea.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
Hence the importance of early intervention and constant watchfulness. WW2 may not have been preventable in 1938, but was that true in 1930?
It was probably preventable in 1918.
Hard to restrain the French desire for vengeance after their abject humiliation in 1870-71.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
Hence the importance of early intervention and constant watchfulness. WW2 may not have been preventable in 1938, but was that true in 1930?
No, because it's only really obvious that's where we were heading in retrospect.
For anyone who hasn't seen the BBC prog about the Assad family it's well worth watching. As I suspected Bashir comes accross as sincere and thoughtful and a long way from the beast that has been painted. His father is a different story. Watching his soldiers mangling puppies to death while and getting the female soldiers to bite the heads off snakes for his amusement was something else.
For those who know the area the contrast between the primitive Saudis and the more civilised Lebanese and Syrians couldn't be more stark.
I thoroughly enjoyed the puppies being stabbed to death in the first two minutes. Really liked that. URGH, horrible viewing.
Seriously though, it is very very good. Assad does come across as a conflicted bloke but he lacked the bravery to challenge the anti-US, anti-Jew strain in the Middle East, pandered to the loony Islamic extremists and has since reaped what he sowed.
For anyone who hasn't seen the BBC prog about the Assad family it's well worth watching. As I suspected Bashir comes accross as sincere and thoughtful and a long way from the beast that has been painted. His father is a different story. Watching his soldiers mangling puppies to death while and getting the female soldiers to bite the heads off snakes for his amusement was something else.
For those who know the area the contrast between the primitive Saudis and the more civilised Lebanese and Syrians couldn't be more stark.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
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Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
Hence the importance of early intervention and constant watchfulness. WW2 may not have been preventable in 1938, but was that true in 1930?
It was probably preventable in 1918.
Yes, probably so. Unconditional surrender and occupation, or a less punitive treaty of Versaillies.
Or even a lifting of the economic blockade in the period between the armistice and the treaty. Estimates vary, but perhaps 100,000 Germans died of hunger during the eight months postwar blockade.
Easy to say with the distance of a century. Millions dead, millions more seriously wounded, with men from almost every town and village killed. The desire for revenge or at least *some* punitive measures was very strong, and politically overwhelming.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
Hence the importance of early intervention and constant watchfulness. WW2 may not have been preventable in 1938, but was that true in 1930?
It was probably preventable in 1918.
Hard to restrain the French desire for vengeance after their abject humiliation in 1870-71.
Not to mention what they suffered in 1914-18. In reality, the peace terms imposed on Germany were pretty generous.
For anyone who hasn't seen the BBC prog about the Assad family it's well worth watching. As I suspected Bashir comes accross as sincere and thoughtful and a long way from the beast that has been painted. His father is a different story. Watching his male soldiers mangling puppies to death and getting the female soldiers to bite the heads off snakes for his amusement was something else.
For those who know the area the contrast between the primitive Saudis and the more civilised Lebanese and Syrians couldn't be more stark.
For those of us who know the area, I didn't realise that civilised meant one could wire somebody's testicles to the mains and flick the switch and still be seen as good chaps by you.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
Hence the importance of early intervention and constant watchfulness. WW2 may not have been preventable in 1938, but was that true in 1930?
It was probably preventable in 1918.
WW1 was preventable in 1914
we should have sat it out
The French would still have won on the Marne without us, in 1914, and so there would have been a lengthy slogging match on the Eastern and Western fronts.
the french wouldnt have got much past 1915 then peace
I think the more vocal brexiteers might object, but I have a feeling the foot soldiers are getting tired of the whole thing. The 3 or 4 people I know in real life who have expressed phobic opinions in the past seem noticeably quiet about the whole thing now. If May's plan is to obfuscate, frustrate and bore the opposition to a soft Brexit into torpid inaction - I think it is working.
The more vocal brexiteers might try learning from people here on the concept of banking gains. A run of luck rarely lasts forever.
For anyone who hasn't seen the BBC prog about the Assad family it's well worth watching. As I suspected Bashir comes accross as sincere and thoughtful and a long way from the beast that has been painted. His father is a different story. Watching his male soldiers mangling puppies to death and getting the female soldiers to bite the heads off snakes for his amusement was something else.
For those who know the area the contrast between the primitive Saudis and the more civilised Lebanese and Syrians couldn't be more stark.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Sometimes, war is unavoidable.
and all too often it is entirely avoidable.
Not in the case of either World War, unless we were prepared to acquiesce in Germany's war aims and leave our allies in the lurch.
Both wars were preventable, but not at the last minute. Peace takes decades to build, but can be demolished much more quickly by those who forget the price of war. As indeed we may find out in Northern Ireland.
It's hard to prevent war when one or more parties wants war.
Hence the importance of early intervention and constant watchfulness. WW2 may not have been preventable in 1938, but was that true in 1930?
It was probably preventable in 1918.
Hard to restrain the French desire for vengeance after their abject humiliation in 1870-71.
I question the premise that Labour MPs are as opposed to Corbyn as they claim. Actions speak louder than words. Yes they fought hard against him becoming leader, tried to take him down while leader, but only one was willing to confirm they don't want him as PM, and bar the occasional flutter of noise of anti-semitism they usually seem to keep very quiet, and on domestic issues there seems a lot less disagreement.
So while I don't doubt loads of MPs remain who really don't want him to be Labour leader let alone PM, and that they are opposed to him becoming PM, I don't think they are totally opposed to it, to the point of a threat to call him as PM being the thing that will persuade them.
Doesn't sound like a compromise they can accept, on the basis it is not really a compromise, since one definition of compromise involves both sides making concessions.
For anyone who hasn't seen the BBC prog about the Assad family it's well worth watching. As I suspected Bashir comes accross as sincere and thoughtful and a long way from the beast that has been painted. His father is a different story. Watching his male soldiers mangling puppies to death and getting the female soldiers to bite the heads off snakes for his amusement was something else.
For those who know the area the contrast between the primitive Saudis and the more civilised Lebanese and Syrians couldn't be more stark.
For those of us who know the area, I didn't realise that civilised meant one could wire somebody's testicles to the mains and flick the switch and still be seen as good chaps by you.
As noted, the 'primitive' Saudis have to use cudgels and boiling oil to assualt one's dangly bits. Civilisation in Syria means the modern marvel of electricity can be used, which is much more sanitary.
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
For anyone who hasn't seen the BBC prog about the Assad family it's well worth watching. As I suspected Bashir comes accross as sincere and thoughtful and a long way from the beast that has been painted. His father is a different story. Watching his male soldiers mangling puppies to death and getting the female soldiers to bite the heads off snakes for his amusement was something else.
For those who know the area the contrast between the primitive Saudis and the more civilised Lebanese and Syrians couldn't be more stark.
For those of us who know the area, I didn't realise that civilised meant one could wire somebody's testicles to the mains and flick the switch and still be seen as good chaps by you.
As noted, the 'primitive' Saudis have to use cudgels and boiling oil to assualt one's dangly bits. Civilisation in Syria means the modern marvel of electricity can be used, which is much more sanitary.
There are much worse things one can do to a victim's private parts than either of those.
Doesn't sound like a compromise they can accept, on the basis it is not really a compromise, since one definition of compromise involves both sides making concessions.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
It may indeed be overdone, but what it is not is glorifying war. People can wear whatever they want, but remembrance of WW1 in particular is very maudlin, and it is drummed in from school days how pointless it all was, how tragic. If there was ever a need for a different kind of poppy to get away from the glorification of war, that day is not now, making it pretty darn redundant, and even more aggressive virtue signalling than just a regular poppy.
Doesn't sound like a compromise they can accept, on the basis it is not really a compromise, since one definition of compromise involves both sides making concessions.
A compromise between doing significant harm to the economy and not, perhaps?
Doesn't sound like a compromise they can accept, on the basis it is not really a compromise, since one definition of compromise involves both sides making concessions.
The EU has told May to bolt once more.
She has made a pigs ear of this again.
May is in a very weak position and keeps coming up with options. Crap options, to be sure, and ones which are certain to be rejected, but that is only partly the fault of her own weakness, and partly the weakness of those who refuse to just openly attempt to remove her and change direction. OK, it might not work, but every second she continues on in her weak way and offers further solutions, no matter how bad those solutions may be, without them actually doing more than moaning, makes them look as weak as she does.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
Doesn't sound like a compromise they can accept, on the basis it is not really a compromise, since one definition of compromise involves both sides making concessions.
A compromise between doing significant harm to the economy and not, perhaps?
Political reality is relevant. May already couldn't get what the EU were demanding through, she cannot do so if they demand more without offering more. It may well do significant harm, which is why May would attempt this, but it isn't a compromise, it's just a climbdown.
Even a climbdown may be the best option, regrettably, but the fundamental problem remains there are not the votes for that, making it pointless.
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No we don't retain all the obligations of membership, or the membership costs. Only some of them which relate to the SM. We are obliged to comply with WTO rules too, with (virtually) no say in setting them.
And you must be new to the internet if you don't recognise the utility of a nice straw man. This one is trebuchet-proofed, and haddock-proofed (all sizes).
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
Doesn't sound like a compromise they can accept, on the basis it is not really a compromise, since one definition of compromise involves both sides making concessions.
The EU has told May to bolt once more.
She has made a pigs ear of this again.
May is in a very weak position and keeps coming up with options. Crap options, to be sure, and ones which are certain to be rejected, but that is only partly the fault of her own weakness, and partly the weakness of those who refuse to just openly attempt to remove her and change direction. OK, it might not work, but every second she continues on in her weak way and offers further solutions, no matter how bad those solutions may be, without them actually doing more than moaning, makes them look as weak as she does.
DUP could win this for May - they have the correct level of hard headed intransigence that opponents have to respect. The ERG could learn from them. And May.
However - instead of concrete fisted Arlene she has jelly legged Olly - hence why she is being reamed by the EU.
Doesn't sound like a compromise they can accept, on the basis it is not really a compromise, since one definition of compromise involves both sides making concessions.
The EU has told May to bolt once more.
She has made a pigs ear of this again.
May is in a very weak position and keeps coming up with options. Crap options, to be sure, and ones which are certain to be rejected, but that is only partly the fault of her own weakness, and partly the weakness of those who refuse to just openly attempt to remove her and change direction. OK, it might not work, but every second she continues on in her weak way and offers further solutions, no matter how bad those solutions may be, without them actually doing more than moaning, makes them look as weak as she does.
DUP could win this for May - they have the correct level of hard headed intransigence that opponents have to respect. The ERG could learn from them. And May.
However - instead of concrete fisted Arlene she has jelly legged Olly - hence why she is being reamed by the EU.
The DUP I don't doubt will act on what they say - they appear much more willing to do so, for better and for ill. It's the ERG I cannot respect.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
In world news, the PM of Ethiopia seems like a very interesting chap - ever since he was appointed he seems to have been in a story on the BBC most weeks.
Ethiopia's prime minister has done press-ups with dozens of protesting soldiers, who had marched into his office in the capital, Addis Ababa.
Abiy Ahmed was unhappy that soldiers had brought weapons and ordered them to do 10 press-ups.
Doesn't sound like a compromise they can accept, on the basis it is not really a compromise, since one definition of compromise involves both sides making concessions.
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No Deal though not only risks an economic crash but the end of the Union and Scotland voting for independence.
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No Deal though not only risks an economic crash but the end of the Union and Scotland voting for independence.
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
Many of them seem to believe that no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit. And if so, should not moan if they don't get Brexit after all.
I question the premise that Labour MPs are as opposed to Corbyn as they claim. Actions speak louder than words. Yes they fought hard against him becoming leader, tried to take him down while leader, but only one was willing to confirm they don't want him as PM, and bar the occasional flutter of noise of anti-semitism they usually seem to keep very quiet, and on domestic issues there seems a lot less disagreement.
So while I don't doubt loads of MPs remain who really don't want him to be Labour leader let alone PM, and that they are opposed to him becoming PM, I don't think they are totally opposed to it, to the point of a threat to call him as PM being the thing that will persuade them.
True the Conservatives are presenting a government in a complete and perpetual shambles, and dissatisfaction with the government has reached a peak of 72% not seen since the nadir of Brown's administration in 2009 (Ipsos MORI). Yet faced with this open goal, in the most favourable of circumstances Labour under Corbyn is still marginally behind in the polls. Corbyn himself has a likeability rating with the public of just 24% and is still well behind the hapless May in the polling for best PM. Labour face a far bigger hurdle than the Conservatives in terms of vote share needed to secure a working majority. For Corbyn to try to put together a coalition with the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the Greens (let alone the DUP) would be like trying to herd cats. It will be even harder once seriously disaffected Labour backbenchers are factored in, and there are more of them than you think.
So the prospect of Corbyn as PM is still pretty remote. The talk of Corbyn as future PM is an empty threat put around by the May as a last ditch appeal to her backbenchers, rather than something threatening to become an imminent reality.
Mr. Anorak, that's a wonderful fiction you've created to argue against.
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
No Deal though not only risks an economic crash but the end of the Union and Scotland voting for independence.
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
I am sure that you are right, voters will not like No Deal Brexit. However as that is the default on March 29th, it requires no positive action to happen, merely a lack of agreement on anything else.
Voters cannot prevent it, unless we get a #peoplesvote.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
While I don’t hold with groups holding the whole of the country to ransome in this case it looks like they are being asked to accept rules over which they will have no say....which does seem a bit rum...
Well i hope T May tells them to fuck right off. The DUP cannot be allowed to influence the process
If she doesn't have DUP votes she needs Labour votes (plus more Labour votes to counter her rebels). Which if it is the best option, presumably also means the end of the government as the DUP will on longer provide confidence and supply, and May will have enough rebels to make passing any legislation impossible.
So might we get Brexit through, and then an immediate GE?
In world news, the PM of Ethiopia seems like a very interesting chap - ever since he was appointed he seems to have been in a story on the BBC most weeks.
Ethiopia's prime minister has done press-ups with dozens of protesting soldiers, who had marched into his office in the capital, Addis Ababa.
Abiy Ahmed was unhappy that soldiers had brought weapons and ordered them to do 10 press-ups.
My hospital has a link with the University hospital in Gondar, Ethiopia. It is not a place that I have been, but several of my colleagues are actively been involved. Ethiopia is looking up. The new prime minister has freed a lot of political prisoners, allowed political exiles to return and ended the war with Eritrea.
As ever, political progress in Africa is fragile, but Ethiopia seems on a good trajectory.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
I always thought of it as a time to mourn for lives needlessly lost and a reminder of the futility of war rather than glorifying it
That is what it should be. What it has turned into in the last few years is close to grotesque.
I've notice no big change at all since I was a child.
30 years ago we didn't stop for a minutes silence on armistamce day. The only silence was on Rememberance Sunday. I don't remember wall to wall tat plastered in poppies, pop up Poppy shops on the high street, I don't remember a fucking Tornado plane covered in Poppy livery.
A bomber, covered in the symbol of quiet remeberance? Just, no.
Doesn't sound like a compromise they can accept, on the basis it is not really a compromise, since one definition of compromise involves both sides making concessions.
The EU has told May to bolt once more.
She has made a pigs ear of this again.
May is in a very weak position and keeps coming up with options. Crap options, to be sure, and ones which are certain to be rejected, but that is only partly the fault of her own weakness, and partly the weakness of those who refuse to just openly attempt to remove her and change direction. OK, it might not work, but every second she continues on in her weak way and offers further solutions, no matter how bad those solutions may be, without them actually doing more than moaning, makes them look as weak as she does.
DUP could win this for May - they have the correct level of hard headed intransigence that opponents have to respect. The ERG could learn from them. And May.
However - instead of concrete fisted Arlene she has jelly legged Olly - hence why she is being reamed by the EU.
The DUP could win a SM/CU for the whole UK for May.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concernre similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
I always thought of it as a time to mourn for lives needlessly lost and a reminder of the futility of war rather than glorifying it
That is what it should be. What it has turned into in the last few years is close to grotesque.
I've notice no big change at all since I was a child.
30 years ago we didn't stop for a minutes silence on armistamce day. The only silence was on Rememberance Sunday. I don't remember wall to wall tat plastered in poppies, pop up Poppy shops on the high street, I don't remember a fucking Tornado plane covered in Poppy livery.
A bomber, covered in the symbol of quiet remeberance? Just, no.
If that was the case 30 years ago then there have not been that many significant changes in the last 20 to when i was young. A bit more tat is grotesque? A flyby? More silences means glorification? Come on.
The real interesting element of this story is a significant number of EU countries joined forces to defeat Merkel. She only got lower than proposed reduction levels by getting the support of Eastern European countries, because they think they are going to get the EV plants.
God knows where we’d have been with these idiots in charge in 39.
It may be news to those of the younger generation used to the sanitised stories of derring-do that the world war 2 history has now become but the generation that actually lived through it took much the same view as these students. I grew up in the 1960s, just about everyone over 30 could remember the war but it was very rarely talked about. Few people attended remembrance services, I cannot recall any such services at school, most people saw the war as a terrible experience best left in the past. They would not have wanted to see today's over-hyped remembrance jamborees.
Yes, concern about the glorification of war on Remembrance day is nothing new. Remembrance poppies have become prolific in recent years, and are often seen all year round. It seems to have increased as living memory of the first war fades, and also the recent bloody wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
I am happy to wear my red poppy for my grandfather and great uncle who fell in the Gallipolli campaign, and the centenary is undoubtably a major anniversary, but do feel that the best way to remember them is by ensuring no more similar stupidity.
Seems a very strange notion that taking time to remember those who sacrificed their lives is glorifying war
I always thought of it as a time to mourn for lives needlessly lost and a reminder of the futility of war rather than glorifying it
That is what it should be. What it has turned into in the last few years is close to grotesque.
I've notice no big change at all since I was a child.
30 years ago we didn't stop for a minutes silence on armistamce day. The only silence was on Rememberance Sunday. I don't remember wall to wall tat plastered in poppies, pop up Poppy shops on the high street, I don't remember a fucking Tornado plane covered in Poppy livery.
A bomber, covered in the symbol of quiet remeberance? Just, no.
Couldn't agree more; it's all getting a bit out of hand. Keep it simple.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppy_Factory
http://archive.ppu.org.uk/remembrance/rem16.html
Poppy idolatry has grown from a simple paper symbol worn for a week or so in November into an orgy of virtue signalling.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/poppy-wear-why-not-remembrance-wars-soldiers-veterans-poppies-moeen-ali-a8031746.html
So much has been spent on this project (and I quite like it as a plane, although IANAE and like shiny toys) that you'd hope the roll-out to be fairly straightforward.
And as for @Sean_F, there was still a lot of Pathe-isation in WWII. Whereas not so much of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvUkmKRM3Qk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBI9d0-IfEM
https://share.trin.cam.ac.uk/sites/public/Comms/Rogers_brexit_as_revolution.pdf
we should have sat it out
Or even a lifting of the economic blockade in the period between the armistice and the treaty. Estimates vary, but perhaps 100,000 Germans died of hunger during the eight months postwar blockade.
For those who know the area the contrast between the primitive Saudis and the more civilised Lebanese and Syrians couldn't be more stark.
Seriously though, it is very very good. Assad does come across as a conflicted bloke but he lacked the bravery to challenge the anti-US, anti-Jew strain in the Middle East, pandered to the loony Islamic extremists and has since reaped what he sowed.
https://www.dw.com/en/syrian-women-tortured-and-humiliated-in-assad-regime-prisons/a-43600204
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/aug/18/saydnaya-prison-syria-assad-amnesty-reconstruction
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/images-syrian-torture-shock-new-yorkers-united-nations
And that's just his prisons.
then peace
So while I don't doubt loads of MPs remain who really don't want him to be Labour leader let alone PM, and that they are opposed to him becoming PM, I don't think they are totally opposed to it, to the point of a threat to call him as PM being the thing that will persuade them.
@EuropeElects
UK, YouGov poll:
CON-ECR: 41% (-1)
LAB-S&D: 37% (+1)
LDEM-ALDE: 9%
UKIP-EFDD: 4% (-1)
SNP/PC-G/EFA: 4%
GREENS-G/EFA: 2%
Field work: 08/10/18 – 09/10/18"
Voting to leave the EU and run our own affairs yet negotiating to remain in the single market and customs union is an utter contradiction. We gain no benefits, retain the obligations of membership, and lose the advantages of membership. That's insane.
Nowhere did I mention mass starvation. It's an odd thing for you to invent to argue against/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/11/theresa-may-faces-new-cabinet-revolt-backstop-amid-fears-will/
She has made a pigs ear of this again.
It's a virtue signalling war, in effect.
https://twitter.com/duponline/status/1050421745180729345?s=21
Even a climbdown may be the best option, regrettably, but the fundamental problem remains there are not the votes for that, making it pointless.
And you must be new to the internet if you don't recognise the utility of a nice straw man. This one is trebuchet-proofed, and haddock-proofed (all sizes).
However - instead of concrete fisted Arlene she has jelly legged Olly - hence why she is being reamed by the EU.
Now there are massive ones available, ones you can stick on the front of your car etc.
Maybe there's been an increase, but when I see talk about how grotesque it has gotten I think I'm living in a different world.
Ethiopia's prime minister has done press-ups with dozens of protesting soldiers, who had marched into his office in the capital, Addis Ababa.
Abiy Ahmed was unhappy that soldiers had brought weapons and ordered them to do 10 press-ups.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-45822161
Not one poll has showed voters will accept Brexit if it means No Deal. If hardline Brexiteers will not compromise the likelihood is they will not only destroy the chance of any future FTA with the EU but also leave only EFTA or a second EU referendum before March which could well be won by Remain as the only likely options and by their own intransigence have destroyed the chance of a sustainable clean Brexit or even any Brexit at all
And the chance of that is increasing by the day.
So the prospect of Corbyn as PM is still pretty remote. The talk of Corbyn as future PM is an empty threat put around by the May as a last ditch appeal to her backbenchers, rather than something threatening to become an imminent reality.
Voters cannot prevent it, unless we get a #peoplesvote.
So might we get Brexit through, and then an immediate GE?
As ever, political progress in Africa is fragile, but Ethiopia seems on a good trajectory.
A bomber, covered in the symbol of quiet remeberance? Just, no.
@europeelects
37m37 minutes ago
Germany, Infratest dimap poll:
CDU/CSU-EPP: 26% (-2)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 17% (+2)
AfD-EFDD: 16% (-2)
SPD-S&D: 15% (-2)
LINKE-LEFT: 10%
FDP-ALDE: 10% (+1)
Field work: 8/10/18 – 10/10/18
Sample size: 1,508"