I hope they crow so much that the decent moderate MPs that still make up a good part of the Labour party break away and set up a rival parliamentary group
Is that all you got left.
Sad really
That post has all the vacuousness that I would expect of a Corbyn apologist.
What is "sad" is that a once great party ( I am not a supporter but can recognise them as such) has been taken over by a bunch of fruitcakes who idolise a man who is clearly not just not very bright but who also shows the ultimate in human stupidity; racist prejudice.
You would never vote Labour so your views are completely irrelevant.
Anyway Im off to drink Champagne and prepare for open selection
These polls are telling you something, even if it isn't exactly what the formal results suggest.
It's always worth remembering that poll responses are not given under oath. Respondents are quite capable of lying or overstating their position for emphasis.
I understand that when you fill out medical questionnaires, doctors multiply your stated alcohol consumption by two and your stated cigarette consumption by five. Anything that is designed to show a poll respondent in a particular light should similarly be held with tongs and scrutinised carefully.
I got quite a talking to by our college Nurse on matriculating; apparently being honest on the 'units of alcohol' question wasn't customary, so doubling the true figure gave her cause for concern.....
Studies based on alcohol consumption diaries do give figures for UK of 40-60% of consumption according to Excise. On a population level the doubling rule is pretty accurate, but not on an individual basis.
I hope they crow so much that the decent moderate MPs that still make up a good part of the Labour party break away and set up a rival parliamentary group
Is that all you got left.
Sad really
That post has all the vacuousness that I would expect of a Corbyn apologist.
What is "sad" is that a once great party ( I am not a supporter but can recognise them as such) has been taken over by a bunch of fruitcakes who idolise a man who is clearly not just not very bright but who also shows the ultimate in human stupidity; racist prejudice.
You would never vote Labour so your views are completely irrelevant.
Anyway Im off to drink Champagne and prepare for open selection
Remember when marathon became snickers, well the Labour party has become the maomentum party, now with added anti-Semitism.
Dear FU I remember when Lab (Tory Lite War Mongering Party) polled 8.6m votes in 2010
and I remember when Lab (for the many not the few) polled 12.8m in 2017
Yet you appear to think a return to Rascist Anti Arab Tory Lite war mongering party is the way forward.
Fortunately your FAKE NEWS cannot stop the fact that Change that is coming
Love BJO
You sound like you're losing it big man.
BJO is having his moment, bless him, but this is the reverse Neil Kinnock moment, but in this case labour have finally reached the abyss and break up is coming
Remember when marathon became snickers, well the Labour party has become the maomentum party, now with added anti-Semitism.
Dear FU I remember when Lab (Tory Lite War Mongering Party) polled 8.6m votes in 2010
and I remember when Lab (for the many not the few) polled 12.8m in 2017
Yet you appear to think a return to Rascist Anti Arab Tory Lite war mongering party is the way forward.
Fortunately your FAKE NEWS cannot stop the fact that Change that is coming
Love BJO
You sound like you're losing it big man.
BJO is having his moment, bless him, but this is the reverse Neil Kinnock moment, but in this case labour have finally reached the abyss and break up is coming
Hmm. I'm not so sure. The tribal Labour feeling is so strong.
Remember when marathon became snickers, well the Labour party has become the maomentum party, now with added anti-Semitism.
Dear FU I remember when Lab (Tory Lite War Mongering Party) polled 8.6m votes in 2010
and I remember when Lab (for the many not the few) polled 12.8m in 2017
Yet you appear to think a return to Rascist Anti Arab Tory Lite war mongering party is the way forward.
Fortunately your FAKE NEWS cannot stop the fact that Change that is coming
Love BJO
You sound like you're losing it big man.
BJO is having his moment, bless him, but this is the reverse Neil Kinnock moment, but in this case labour have finally reached the abyss and break up is coming
Doubt it, Big G - not enough good men in the Labour Party doing anything.
Remember when marathon became snickers, well the Labour party has become the maomentum party, now with added anti-Semitism.
Dear FU I remember when Lab (Tory Lite War Mongering Party) polled 8.6m votes in 2010
and I remember when Lab (for the many not the few) polled 12.8m in 2017
Yet you appear to think a return to Rascist Anti Arab Tory Lite war mongering party is the way forward.
Fortunately your FAKE NEWS cannot stop the fact that Change that is coming
Love BJO
You sound like you're losing it big man.
BJO is having his moment, bless him, but this is the reverse Neil Kinnock moment, but in this case labour have finally reached the abyss and break up is coming
Hmm. I'm not so sure. The tribal Labour feeling is so strong.
Those who knock on doors for Corbyn are complicit in anti semetism.
1. Willsman sat on the disputes panel reviewing cases of anti-semitism 2. Willsman bangs the table at the NEC saying Where Is Your Evidence (of anti-semitism) 3. Willsman may not personally be an anti-semite. But he is a tosser who provides cover to anti-semites 4. The re-election of Willsman is a disgrace. But its this year's elections. The idea of "thats the party lost forever" is absurd 5. The re-election of Willsman highlights the growing rift on the loony left. Momentum dropped and disowned him. Lansman and Momentum heavily attacked for selling out out. People quitting Momentum on Facebook in protest. These people won't just shut up even having won. They won the two leadership elections as well and still won't let it lie 6. "Moderate" core vote appears to be c. 40,000. OK so most members don't vote but even so, its pretty small beer...
Remember when marathon became snickers, well the Labour party has become the maomentum party, now with added anti-Semitism.
Dear FU I remember when Lab (Tory Lite War Mongering Party) polled 8.6m votes in 2010
and I remember when Lab (for the many not the few) polled 12.8m in 2017
Yet you appear to think a return to Rascist Anti Arab Tory Lite war mongering party is the way forward.
Fortunately your FAKE NEWS cannot stop the fact that Change that is coming
Love BJO
You sound like you're losing it big man.
BJO is having his moment, bless him, but this is the reverse Neil Kinnock moment, but in this case labour have finally reached the abyss and break up is coming
Doubt it, Big G - not enough good men in the Labour Party doing anything.
Now is the time and hopefully it will be led by the good women and men in labour
I hope they crow so much that the decent moderate MPs that still make up a good part of the Labour party break away and set up a rival parliamentary group
Is that all you got left.
Sad really
That post has all the vacuousness that I would expect of a Corbyn apologist.
What is "sad" is that a once great party ( I am not a supporter but can recognise them as such) has been taken over by a bunch of fruitcakes who idolise a man who is clearly not just not very bright but who also shows the ultimate in human stupidity; racist prejudice.
You would never vote Labour so your views are completely irrelevant.
Anyway Im off to drink Champagne and prepare for open selection
Completely wrong on both counts. If you had a half sensible leader that wasn't a racist, apologist for terrorists, apologist for Putin, advocate of lunatic economic policies I would happily lend Labour my vote. There are plenty of sensible people in the Labour party and they should be giving the electorate a proper choice of leadership instead of a bunch of juvenile dullards who have never grown out of thinking contrarianism is "edgy".
Bit of a typo in the Telegraph, or has May hatched a plan to massively reduce the Commons?
"The new boundaries for the UK’s parliamentary constituencies will be published shortly, and for the first time, a political decision has been taken to reduce the number of seats from 650 to 50."
1. Willsman sat on the disputes panel reviewing cases of anti-semitism 2. Willsman bangs the table at the NEC saying Where Is Your Evidence (of anti-semitism) 3. Willsman may not personally be an anti-semite. But he is a tosser who provides cover to anti-semites 4. The re-election of Willsman is a disgrace. But its this year's elections. The idea of "thats the party lost forever" is absurd 5. The re-election of Willsman highlights the growing rift on the loony left. Momentum dropped and disowned him. Lansman and Momentum heavily attacked for selling out out. People quitting Momentum on Facebook in protest. These people won't just shut up even having won. They won the two leadership elections as well and still won't let it lie 6. "Moderate" core vote appears to be c. 40,000. OK so most members don't vote but even so, its pretty small beer...
The Left slate usually do well on NEC elections, but the swing was against them this time:
Bit of a typo in the Telegraph, or has May hatched a plan to massively reduce the Commons?
"The new boundaries for the UK’s parliamentary constituencies will be published shortly, and for the first time, a political decision has been taken to reduce the number of seats from 650 to 50."
Bit of a typo in the Telegraph, or has May hatched a plan to massively reduce the Commons?
"The new boundaries for the UK’s parliamentary constituencies will be published shortly, and for the first time, a political decision has been taken to reduce the number of seats from 650 to 50."
I sense a circling of the wagons. Jeremy is being unfairly traduced by some pretty unpleasant right-wingers with an agenda. Those who were irritated by Jeremy's poor leadership (like myself) are now seeing him as the only show in town.
The Brexiting Tories are the worst of the worst and the Jewish wannabies on the right of the Labour Party who are lining up with the Telegraph and Guido's mob are making most of us feel pretty sick.
All in all things are falling well for Jeremy and he doesn't deserve it.
I sense a circling of the wagons. Jeremy is being unfairly traduced by some pretty unpleasant right-wingers with an agenda. Those who were irritated by Jeremy's poor leadership (like myself) are now seeing him as the only show in town.
The Brexiting Tories are the worst of the worst and the Jewish wannabies on the right of the Labour Party who are lining up with the Telegraph and Guido's mob are making most of us feel pretty sick.
All in all things are falling well for Jeremy and he doesn't deserve it.
I think most people are feeling sick, but it is the stench coming from Corbyn and his mob, but of course he is bound to have some fellow travellers
Bit of a typo in the Telegraph, or has May hatched a plan to massively reduce the Commons?
"The new boundaries for the UK’s parliamentary constituencies will be published shortly, and for the first time, a political decision has been taken to reduce the number of seats from 650 to 50."
These polls are telling you something, even if it isn't exactly what the formal results suggest.
It's always worth remembering that poll responses are not given under oath. Respondents are quite capable of lying or overstating their position for emphasis.
I understand that when you fill out medical questionnaires, doctors multiply your stated alcohol consumption by two and your stated cigarette consumption by five. Anything that is designed to show a poll respondent in a particular light should similarly be held with tongs and scrutinised carefully.
I got quite a talking to by our college Nurse on matriculating; apparently being honest on the 'units of alcohol' question wasn't customary, so doubling the true figure gave her cause for concern.....
I thought the only possible answer was 'Sufficient, thank you'.
I suspect that new undergraduates, without access to the cellar, should have been the least of her concerns!
Yeah, I have a young relative who was recently at Trinity, Cambridge, and was able to buy some of the wines which the dons didn't want, at very favourable prices. All I can say is that, if those are the wines the dons rejected, one wonders what ones they decided to keep.
My brother’s employer gives him that perk. He’s got a great gig all round but that bit makes me reeeeaaaly jealous
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
It's a shame the Irish lanuage has become weaponised by Sinn Fein. Irish needs as much support across the communiuty as it can get if it is to survive.
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
Is that 70 per cent of Irish citizens or Irish residents? There are actually more Irish citizens living in the UK than in the Irish republic!
Hardly anyone in reality speaks Irish Gaelic fluently - they learn it at school but never use it again - and outside some remote parts of Kerry and Connemara it's not spoken at all day to day!
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
Have they decided how mother-tongue English speakers are going to get on in the EU when the UK leaves & English is no longer anyone's first-choice language?
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
Have they decided how mother-tongue English speakers are going to get on in the EU when the UK leaves & English is no longer anyone's first-choice language?
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
Have they decided how mother-tongue English speakers are going to get on in the EU when the UK leaves & English is no longer anyone's first-choice language?
English will remain the EUs working language
That's interesting, thank you - I hadn't heard that.
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
It's a shame the Irish lanuage has become weaponised by Sinn Fein. Irish needs as much support across the communiuty as it can get if it is to survive.
As everybody was anxious to know...Labour National Policy Forum election results are coming through
Scotland: 4 Momentum backed elected Wales: 4 Momentum East Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First West Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First South East: 4 Momentum North East: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First East: 4 Momentum
As everybody was anxious to know...Labour National Policy Forum election results are coming through
Scotland: 4 Momentum backed elected Wales: 4 Momentum East Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First West Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First South East: 4 Momentum North East: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First East: 4 Momentum
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
Irish can hardly be called a native language for them, and english can't really be called a foreign one. AnneJGP seemed to imply that Irish folk speaking English meant they'd learnt a foreign language.
I’m going to stick my neck out and say Peter Altmaier (the “committed European federalist”, who is “well connected in Brussels” and “unlikely to be much of a reformer”) will win it.
I’m going to stick my neck out and say Peter Altmaier (the “committed European federalist”, who is “well connected in Brussels” and “unlikely to be much of a reformer”) will win it.
this is excellent news
we can kidnap him and subsitiute Matt Lucas then we control the EU
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
Have they decided how mother-tongue English speakers are going to get on in the EU when the UK leaves & English is no longer anyone's first-choice language?
English will remain the EUs working language
It's like Washington DC: because it's no one's national language (officially) , it's a neutral choice.
Only Labour members matter? What about potential Labour voters?
12.9M in 2017 an increase of 4.2mM on 2010
DH went the opposite way
DH is irrelevant
We lost in 2010 and we lost in 2017. We have become experts at losing GEs.
As I keep saying, politics is like football - winning is pretty important.
At the moment I'd rate stopping the other side as more important than getting a majority. Who in their right mind would want Boris Rees-Mogg or Corbyn to have decent majorities? Any one of them and we'd all be screwed.
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
Have they decided how mother-tongue English speakers are going to get on in the EU when the UK leaves & English is no longer anyone's first-choice language?
English will remain the EUs working language
It's like Washington DC: because it's no one's national language (officially) , it's a neutral choice.
English is a bad language for international business. Too much nuance. It's also missing a grammatical structure to distinguishing asking questions to gain information and questioning something because you think it's shite. Most people defensively assume the latter.
I’m going to stick my neck out and say Peter Altmaier (the “committed European federalist”, who is “well connected in Brussels” and “unlikely to be much of a reformer”) will win it.
this is excellent news
we can kidnap him and subsitiute Matt Lucas then we control the EU
If there was a prospect of us controlling the EU, for instance by helping to elect the ACR candidate to EU Commission President to reform it and institute mechanisms to return powers to the member states, then we’d have stayed.
But, it will be a Franco-German stitch up (along with the President of the ECB) as per usual.
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
Have they decided how mother-tongue English speakers are going to get on in the EU when the UK leaves & English is no longer anyone's first-choice language?
English will remain the EUs working language
It's like Washington DC: because it's no one's national language (officially) , it's a neutral choice.
English is a bad language for international business. Too much nuance. It's also missing a grammatical structure to distinguishing asking questions to gain information and questioning something because you think it's shite. Most people defensively assume the latter.
I’m not sure international business has got the memo about English being bad for it, nor English law which many insist their contracts are written in.
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
Have they decided how mother-tongue English speakers are going to get on in the EU when the UK leaves & English is no longer anyone's first-choice language?
English will remain the EUs working language
It's like Washington DC: because it's no one's national language (officially) , it's a neutral choice.
Corbyn would be better than May/Hunt/Johnson. And thats why there wont be a split
An evil anti-Semite and his fellow travellers better than Hunt or May?
You may not agree with them but they are fundamentally doing what they think is right for the country.
That is not enough. All tyrants through history did what they thought was the right.
They are fundamentally decent people who are trying to improve the lot of the ordinary people of the U.K. within the framework of parliamentary democracy. They are not racist. They don’t hang out with murderers.
Hypothetical polling is not perfect but nor should it be dismissed. Hypothetical polling told us for example that John Major would be competitive against Kinnock in 1990 or that Cameron would be the Tories best bet against Brown in 2005 or that Ed Miliband would be a weaker opponent for the Tories than David Miliband in 2010, all of which proved correct.
Maybe, the reason TSE is not so keen on hypothetical polling at the moment is it does not favour his preferred candidates to be next Tory leader
Corbyn would be better than May/Hunt/Johnson. And thats why there wont be a split
An evil anti-Semite and his fellow travellers better than Hunt or May?
You may not agree with them but they are fundamentally doing what they think is right for the country.
That is not enough. All tyrants through history did what they thought was the right.
They are fundamentally decent people who are trying to improve the lot of the ordinary people of the U.K. within the framework of parliamentary democracy. They are not racist. They don’t hang out with murderers.
I think this is calling cutting off one’s face to spite one’s nose.
As everybody was anxious to know...Labour National Policy Forum election results are coming through
Scotland: 4 Momentum backed elected Wales: 4 Momentum East Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First West Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First South East: 4 Momentum North East: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First East: 4 Momentum
Big gains for Momentum as they also launch a bid to deselect Enfield North MP Joan Ryan
I find those numbers for the UK very hard to believe.
Me too. I expect that many people who did a gcse in a foreign language claimed they can speak it. I did four foreign language GCSEs but never studied them further. I wouldn't say I can speak any of those without admitting the severe limitations of my knowledge.
Hypothetical polling is not perfect but nor should it be dismissed. Hypothetical polling told us for example that John Major would be competitive against Kinnock in 1990 or that Cameron would be the Tories best bet against Brown in 2005 or that Ed Miliband would be a weaker opponent for the Tories than David Miliband in 2010, all of which proved correct.
Maybe, the reason TSE is not so keen on hypothetical polling at the moment is it does not favour his preferred candidates to be next Tory leader
How did the last two prove correct? Are you an interdimensional traveller?
Hypothetical polling is not perfect but nor should it be dismissed. Hypothetical polling told us for example that John Major would be competitive against Kinnock in 1990 or that Cameron would be the Tories best bet against Brown in 2005 or that Ed Miliband would be a weaker opponent for the Tories than David Miliband in 2010, all of which proved correct.
Maybe, the reason TSE is not so keen on hypothetical polling at the moment is it does not favour his preferred candidates to be next Tory leader
How did the last two prove correct? Are you an interdimensional traveller?
Cameron won the most seats for the Tories in 2010 and gained the most seats for the party in decades and then won a majority in 2015, Ed Miliband got Labour's worst result in 28 years in 2015 as the Tories won an overall majority
Hypothetical polling is not perfect but nor should it be dismissed. Hypothetical polling told us for example that John Major would be competitive against Kinnock in 1990 or that Cameron would be the Tories best bet against Brown in 2005 or that Ed Miliband would be a weaker opponent for the Tories than David Miliband in 2010, all of which proved correct.
Maybe, the reason TSE is not so keen on hypothetical polling at the moment is it does not favour his preferred candidates to be next Tory leader
How did the last two prove correct? Are you an interdimensional traveller?
Cameron won the most seats for the Tories in 2010 and gained the most seats for the party in decades and then won a majority in 2015, Ed Miliband got Labour's worst result in 28 years in 2015 as the Tories won an overall majority
Okay, and where's the evidence that other Tories or David Miliband would have done worse/better?
Hypothetical polling is not perfect but nor should it be dismissed. Hypothetical polling told us for example that John Major would be competitive against Kinnock in 1990 or that Cameron would be the Tories best bet against Brown in 2005 or that Ed Miliband would be a weaker opponent for the Tories than David Miliband in 2010, all of which proved correct.
Maybe, the reason TSE is not so keen on hypothetical polling at the moment is it does not favour his preferred candidates to be next Tory leader
How did the last two prove correct? Are you an interdimensional traveller?
Cameron won the most seats for the Tories in 2010 and gained the most seats for the party in decades and then won a majority in 2015, Ed Miliband got Labour's worst result in 28 years in 2015 as the Tories won an overall majority
Okay, and where's the evidence that other Tories or David Miliband would have done worse/better?
As other Tories did worse in 2005 and 2001 (when Ken Clarke did best in hypothetical polls).
As for David Miliband he may not have won in 2010 or 2015 but he would almost certainly have done better than Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband, Blair favoured him as his heir for a reason
Hypothetical polling is not perfect but nor should it be dismissed. Hypothetical polling told us for example that John Major would be competitive against Kinnock in 1990 or that Cameron would be the Tories best bet against Brown in 2005 or that Ed Miliband would be a weaker opponent for the Tories than David Miliband in 2010, all of which proved correct.
Maybe, the reason TSE is not so keen on hypothetical polling at the moment is it does not favour his preferred candidates to be next Tory leader
How did the last two prove correct? Are you an interdimensional traveller?
Cameron won the most seats for the Tories in 2010 and gained the most seats for the party in decades and then won a majority in 2015, Ed Miliband got Labour's worst result in 28 years in 2015 as the Tories won an overall majority
Do you have a citation for hypothetical polls comparing Davis and Cameron with Brown?
Hypothetical polling is not perfect but nor should it be dismissed. Hypothetical polling told us for example that John Major would be competitive against Kinnock in 1990 or that Cameron would be the Tories best bet against Brown in 2005 or that Ed Miliband would be a weaker opponent for the Tories than David Miliband in 2010, all of which proved correct.
Maybe, the reason TSE is not so keen on hypothetical polling at the moment is it does not favour his preferred candidates to be next Tory leader
How did the last two prove correct? Are you an interdimensional traveller?
Cameron won the most seats for the Tories in 2010 and gained the most seats for the party in decades and then won a majority in 2015, Ed Miliband got Labour's worst result in 28 years in 2015 as the Tories won an overall majority
Do you have a citation for hypothetical polls comparing Davis and Cameron with Brown?
I will have a look in the archives but I remember there was a Mori poll in 2005 which had the Tories on 36% under Cameron and Clarke v Brown, 33% under Davis and 32% under Fox as I had a vote in the leadership election at the time
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
Have they decided how mother-tongue English speakers are going to get on in the EU when the UK leaves & English is no longer anyone's first-choice language?
English will remain the EUs working language
It's like Washington DC: because it's no one's national language (officially) , it's a neutral choice.
Malta?
You need to wear more suntan lotion
Maltese is technically their official language. Despite almost no one speaking it.
Hypothetical polling is not perfect but nor should it be dismissed. Hypothetical polling told us for example that John Major would be competitive against Kinnock in 1990 or that Cameron would be the Tories best bet against Brown in 2005 or that Ed Miliband would be a weaker opponent for the Tories than David Miliband in 2010, all of which proved correct.
Maybe, the reason TSE is not so keen on hypothetical polling at the moment is it does not favour his preferred candidates to be next Tory leader
How did the last two prove correct? Are you an interdimensional traveller?
Cameron won the most seats for the Tories in 2010 and gained the most seats for the party in decades and then won a majority in 2015, Ed Miliband got Labour's worst result in 28 years in 2015 as the Tories won an overall majority
Do you have a citation for hypothetical polls comparing Davis and Cameron with Brown?
After much trawling found the link here
Tories on 36% under Cameron, 33% under Davis and 31% under Fox
As everybody was anxious to know...Labour National Policy Forum election results are coming through
Scotland: 4 Momentum backed elected Wales: 4 Momentum East Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First West Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First South East: 4 Momentum North East: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First East: 4 Momentum
I've never come across any Irish person who can't speak fluent English.
How many of them can speak Irish?
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
Have they decided how mother-tongue English speakers are going to get on in the EU when the UK leaves & English is no longer anyone's first-choice language?
English will remain the EUs working language
It's like Washington DC: because it's no one's national language (officially) , it's a neutral choice.
Malta?
You need to wear more suntan lotion
Maltese is technically their official language. Despite almost no one speaking it.
As everybody was anxious to know...Labour National Policy Forum election results are coming through
Scotland: 4 Momentum backed elected Wales: 4 Momentum East Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First West Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First South East: 4 Momentum North East: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First East: 4 Momentum
Momentum have...umm... rapid forward motion with no signs of slowing?
As everybody was anxious to know...Labour National Policy Forum election results are coming through
Scotland: 4 Momentum backed elected Wales: 4 Momentum East Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First West Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First South East: 4 Momentum North East: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First East: 4 Momentum
Momentum have...umm... rapid forward motion with no signs of slowing?
"A great party, rotten from within, was defeated from without"
As everybody was anxious to know...Labour National Policy Forum election results are coming through
Scotland: 4 Momentum backed elected Wales: 4 Momentum East Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First West Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First South East: 4 Momentum North East: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First East: 4 Momentum
Looks like Labour will have to try to infiltrate the Momentum Party.
These polls are telling you something, even if it isn't exactly what the formal results suggest.
It's always worth remembering that poll responses are not given under oath. Respondents are quite capable of lying or overstating their position for emphasis.
I understand that when you fill out medical questionnaires, doctors multiply your stated alcohol consumption by two and your stated cigarette consumption by five. Anything that is designed to show a poll respondent in a particular light should similarly be held with tongs and scrutinised carefully.
What do they do with a "Don't smoke, don't drink" response?
Although mine isn't quite that - I do drink, regularly: one glass of Tio Pepe every Christmas. Or New Year's eve, if I happen to miss out at Christmas.
Good afternoon, everyone.
With respect affection you sound a bit like a Barbara Pym character.
"even with the most generous interpretation, Corbyn has been exposed as intellectually unequipped to understand antisemitism, let alone combat it effectively."
He doesn't deserve that most generous interpretation.
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Anyway Im off to drink Champagne and prepare for open selection
Similarly food diaries under report:
https://jech.bmj.com/content/54/8/611
Argentina imposes austerity measures in bid to stabilise peso
Taxes on exports of some grains and other products will rise and "about half" of the nation's government ministries will be abolished.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45392362
Anyway, I must be off. Play nicely, everyone.
2. Willsman bangs the table at the NEC saying Where Is Your Evidence (of anti-semitism)
3. Willsman may not personally be an anti-semite. But he is a tosser who provides cover to anti-semites
4. The re-election of Willsman is a disgrace. But its this year's elections. The idea of "thats the party lost forever" is absurd
5. The re-election of Willsman highlights the growing rift on the loony left. Momentum dropped and disowned him. Lansman and Momentum heavily attacked for selling out out. People quitting Momentum on Facebook in protest. These people won't just shut up even having won. They won the two leadership elections as well and still won't let it lie
6. "Moderate" core vote appears to be c. 40,000. OK so most members don't vote but even so, its pretty small beer...
"The new boundaries for the UK’s parliamentary constituencies will be published shortly, and for the first time, a political decision has been taken to reduce the number of seats from 650 to 50."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/03/corbynites-really-mean-talk-democracy-labour-party/
https://twitter.com/220_d_92_20/status/1036642580476452866?s=19
A star columnist who then republishes his piece on his own website, completely undermining your online business model.
The Brexiting Tories are the worst of the worst and the Jewish wannabies on the right of the Labour Party who are lining up with the Telegraph and Guido's mob are making most of us feel pretty sick.
All in all things are falling well for Jeremy and he doesn't deserve it.
https://twitter.com/mapsome/status/1035965578043944961?s=19
C’est magnifique mais ce n’est pas le gare
Unknown, Worcester College, Oxford
According to the 2011 census, 1.77 million people in Ireland claimed they could speak Irish, which is 41% of the population. While this looks impressive on paper, it says nothing about the level of Irish people have or if they ever use it. More revealing is the number of people who claim to speak it on a daily basis, only 77,000 people, less than 2% of the population....
Worst still, there are no people who only speak Irish (monoglots) left, even native Irish speakers are also fluent in English.
https://whistlinginthewind.org/2015/08/20/why-dont-the-irish-speak-irish/
As I keep saying, politics is like football - winning is pretty important.
Hardly anyone in reality speaks Irish Gaelic fluently - they learn it at school but never use it again - and outside some remote parts of Kerry and Connemara it's not spoken at all day to day!
Russian state television introduces weekly show in praise of Vladimir Putin
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/03/anti-corbyn-mps-labour-party-split
Scotland: 4 Momentum backed elected
Wales: 4 Momentum
East Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First
West Midlands: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First
South East: 4 Momentum
North East: 3 Momentum 1 Lab First
East: 4 Momentum
It is just the Tories that love a good public dust up.
I’m going to stick my neck out and say Peter Altmaier (the “committed European federalist”, who is “well connected in Brussels” and “unlikely to be much of a reformer”) will win it.
But, you have to admire his determination and tenacity.
we can kidnap him and subsitiute Matt Lucas then we control the EU
But like I say given a few weeks and one of the JC9 will say something and resign and Izzard will be back on the NEC.
Why anyone would want to be on the NEC is beyond me though.
You may not agree with them but they are fundamentally doing what they think is right for the country.
You need to take a long hard look in the mirror my friend.
But, it will be a Franco-German stitch up (along with the President of the ECB) as per usual.
Discuss.
https://twitter.com/Carlaw4Eastwood/status/1036594499840090115
You need to wear more suntan lotion
Maybe, the reason TSE is not so keen on hypothetical polling at the moment is it does not favour his preferred candidates to be next Tory leader
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6126415/Italian-doctors-INVENT-new-lasso-like-tool-remove-23-inch-dildo.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/friends-of-israel-mp-targeted-for-deselection-by-corbyn-loyalists-a3926331.html
Perhaps Boris knew without looking it up.
As for David Miliband he may not have won in 2010 or 2015 but he would almost certainly have done better than Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband, Blair favoured him as his heir for a reason
@EuropeElects
18m18 minutes ago
Italy, SWG poll:
LEGA-ENF: 32% (+2)
M5S-EFDD: 28% (-2)
PD-S&D: 17%
FI-EPP: 7% (-2)
FdI-*: 4%
Field work: 29/08/18 – 3/09/18
Sample size: 1,500"
Tories on 36% under Cameron, 33% under Davis and 31% under Fox
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/conservative-party-leadership-poll
North West: 4 Momentum
Local government: 4 Lab First
International: 1...I don't know...
Youth Rep Scotland: Momentum
Youth Rep London: Momentum
Youth Rep: North West: Momentum
Youth Rep North East: Momentum
Youth Rep Yorkshire: Momentum
Youth Rep East Midlands: Momentum
He doesn't deserve that most generous interpretation.
Nasty piece of work.