Passports will still be checked coming into Northern Ireland even if there remains free movement for goods over the Irish border.
If they don't have a visa they will be denied entry exactly as they would be at Dover
Oh dear. And how do you distinguish between Irish and Bulgarians?
Fairly easily, we do not yet even now have fully EU only passports but the nationality is stated on the cover. In any case whether Irish or Bulgarian the rules on work permits and study places and tourism visas would apply to both
But there are no passport checks on the Irish border, and implementing them would go against the Good Friday Agreement.
Ending free movement as it stood before the EU referendum is the only way to properly respect the Leave vote
Perhaps you can point to where LEAVE advocated visas for all foreign visitors?
There are currently (ex-EU/EEA) 56 countries nationals who qualify for Visa free entry (for up to 6 months) to the UK. Are you suggesting that should change?
EU 'Freedom of Movement' is not controlled at the border - but at the workplace and benefits office.
We already have passport checks as we are not in Schengen for EU/EEA citizens though as you point out it is at the workplace or university and the benefit office where a job offer or study place on arrival requirement will be enforced
"On arrival" again... It's meaningless if you can enter freely as a tourist and a job offer automatically gets transformed into a work permit with no limit. In practice it's almost identical to free movement of labour.
If that really becomes an issue tourism visas could then be issued with an explicit exclusion of work whilst in the UK.
Visa free entry already excludes 'work'.
Well that is another of William Glenn's nitpicking points torpedoed then
I’d also like to know where in the GFA it explicitly bans passport checks.
Passports will still be checked coming into Northern Ireland even if there remains free movement for goods over the Irish border.
If they don't have a visa they will be denied entry exactly as they would be at Dover
Oh dear. And how do you distinguish between Irish and Bulgarians?
Fairly easily, we do not yet even now have fully EU only passports but the nationality is stated on the cover. In any case whether Irish or Bulgarian the rules on work permits and study places and tourism visas would apply to both
But there are no passport checks on the Irish border, and implementing them would go against the Good Friday Agreement.
Citation required.
Dismantling the Common Travel Area, unlike a few customs posts, would be taken very negatively in NI.
No doubt - but since Mr Glenn knows the GFA backwards I'm sure he can point to the specific text......
And as for the Common Travel Area - the Irish check passports on entry to the Republic from the UK mainland.....
Maybe in Dublin they do, but when I flew into Kerry there wasn't even a place where immigration officers could have been.
Passports will still be checked coming into Northern Ireland even if there remains free movement for goods over the Irish border.
If they don't have a visa they will be denied entry exactly as they would be at Dover
Oh dear. And how do you distinguish between Irish and Bulgarians?
Fairly easily, we do not yet even now have fully EU only passports but the nationality is stated on the cover. In any case whether Irish or Bulgarian the rules on work permits and study places and tourism visas would apply to both
But there are no passport checks on the Irish border, and implementing them would go against the Good Friday Agreement.
Citation required.
Dismantling the Common Travel Area, unlike a few customs posts, would be taken very negatively in NI.
No doubt - but since Mr Glenn knows the GFA backwards I'm sure he can point to the specific text......
And as for the Common Travel Area - the Irish check passports on entry to the Republic from the UK mainland.....
Maybe in Dublin they do, but when I flew into Kerry there wasn't even a place where immigration officers could have been.
I presume you’d already shown photo ID to board your flight?
Passports will still be checked coming into Northern Ireland even if there remains free movement for goods over the Irish border.
If they don't have a visa they will be denied entry exactly as they would be at Dover
Oh dear. And how do you distinguish between Irish and Bulgarians?
Fairly easily, we do not yet even now have fully EU only passports but the nationality is stated on the cover. In any case whether Irish or Bulgarian the rules on work permits and study places and tourism visas would apply to both
But there are no passport checks on the Irish border, and implementing them would go against the Good Friday Agreement.
Ending free movement as it stood before the EU referendum is the only way to properly respect the Leave vote
Perhaps you can point to where LEAVE advocated visas for all foreign visitors?
There are currently (ex-EU/EEA) 56 countries nationals who qualify for Visa free entry (for up to 6 months) to the UK. Are you suggesting that should change?
EU 'Freedom of Movement' is not controlled at the border - but at the workplace and benefits office.
We already have passport checks as we are not in Schengen for EU/EEA citizens though as you point out it is at the workplace or university and the benefit office where a job offer or study place on arrival requirement will be enforced
"On arrival" again... It's meaningless if you can enter freely as a tourist and a job offer automatically gets transformed into a work permit with no limit. In practice it's almost identical to free movement of labour.
If that really becomes an issue tourism visas could then be issued with an explicit exclusion of work whilst in the UK.
Visa free entry already excludes 'work'.
Well that is another of William Glenn's nitpicking points torpedoed then
I’d also like to know where in the GFA it explicitly bans passport checks.
If it did it would be a bit rum as the Irish already carry them out. I think you’ll find it’s contrary to that ephemeral thing which no one can quite pin down the spirit of the GFA....
Sir, – I’d like to add my voice to that of JH Martin (May 16th) regarding the woeful queues at Dublin Airport immigration. But what makes this baffling is that UK visitors have to go through this rigmarole, the same as visitors from anywhere else in the world, despite our much-vaunted and supposedly valued Common Travel Area. Yet when I travel back to the UK, the authorities there keep their side of the bargain. I never have to pass through immigration and am treated much as an internal UK traveller.
How can we mope and moan about Brexit barriers being introduced when we haven’t made an effort to take advantage of existing agreements to make life easier for trade and travel between Ireland and the UK? – Yours, etc,
Passports will still be checked coming into Northern Ireland even if there remains free movement for goods over the Irish border.
If they don't have a visa they will be denied entry exactly as they would be at Dover
Oh dear. And how do you distinguish between Irish and Bulgarians?
Fairly easily, we do not yet even now have fully EU only passports but the nationality is stated on the cover. In any case whether Irish or Bulgarian the rules on work permits and study places and tourism visas would apply to both
But there are no passport checks on the Irish border, and implementing them would go against the Good Friday Agreement.
Ending free movement as it stood before the EU referendum is the only way to properly respect the Leave vote
Perhaps you can point to where LEAVE advocated visas for all foreign visitors?
There are currently (ex-EU/EEA) 56 countries nationals who qualify for Visa free entry (for up to 6 months) to the UK. Are you suggesting that should change?
EU 'Freedom of Movement' is not controlled at the border - but at the workplace and benefits office.
We already have passport checks as we are not in Schengen for EU/EEA citizens though as you point out it is at the workplace or university and the benefit office where a job offer or study place on arrival requirement will be enforced
"On arrival" again... It's meaningless if you can enter freely as a tourist and a job offer automatically gets transformed into a work permit with no limit. In practice it's almost identical to free movement of labour.
Doesn’t work like that. Looking for a job is a breach of a tourist visa. You need the offer before you come
Doesn’t work like that. Looking for a job is a breach of a tourist visa. You need the offer before you come
Arw we talking about the letter of the rules or actual reality? Countries all over the world have this restriction and I don't think it's enforceable in any of them. North Korea, possibly.
Doesn’t work like that. Looking for a job is a breach of a tourist visa. You need the offer before you come
Arw we talking about the letter of the rules or actual reality? Countries all over the world have this restriction and I don't think it's enforceable in any of them. North Korea, possibly.
Australia routinely arrests imprisons and deports people working on a tourist visa.
Doesn’t work like that. Looking for a job is a breach of a tourist visa. You need the offer before you come
Arw we talking about the letter of the rules or actual reality? Countries all over the world have this restriction and I don't think it's enforceable in any of them. North Korea, possibly.
Australia routinely arrests imprisons and deports people working on a tourist visa.
That's not what williamglenn is talking about, he's talking about finding a job on a tourist visa, then using the job offer to get a work visa. This is officially forbidden but totally standard behaviour across the world, although some countries try to save face by making you fly to the neighbouring country, apply for the visa there and come right back.
Doesn’t work like that. Looking for a job is a breach of a tourist visa. You need the offer before you come
Arw we talking about the letter of the rules or actual reality? Countries all over the world have this restriction and I don't think it's enforceable in any of them. North Korea, possibly.
Australia routinely arrests imprisons and deports people working on a tourist visa.
That's not what williamglenn is talking about, he's talking about finding a job on a tourist visa, then using the job offer to get a work visa. This is officially forbidden but totally standard behaviour across the world, although some countries try to save face by making you fly to the neighbouring country, apply for the visa there and come right back.
And the latter is what the UK may choose to do. Most UK visas cannot be applied for from within the UK.
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https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1033515751284662272
Sir, – I’d like to add my voice to that of JH Martin (May 16th) regarding the woeful queues at Dublin Airport immigration. But what makes this baffling is that UK visitors have to go through this rigmarole, the same as visitors from anywhere else in the world, despite our much-vaunted and supposedly valued Common Travel Area. Yet when I travel back to the UK, the authorities there keep their side of the bargain. I never have to pass through immigration and am treated much as an internal UK traveller.
How can we mope and moan about Brexit barriers being introduced when we haven’t made an effort to take advantage of existing agreements to make life easier for trade and travel between Ireland and the UK? – Yours, etc,
DAVID CLARKE,
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/passport-control-1.3097967?mode=amp
https://twitter.com/DailyMail/status/1033542203073867781?s=20
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/border-force-deport-detain-and-stopped-229-illegal-foreign-workers-in-sixweek-nationwide-hunt/news-story/b7419fcc66cce8dd44f2b0d0b50e7908