Keep digging, small man. One day you will wonder why Vote Leave fixated on this.
I know why. Because the idea of 74 million largely poor Turks getting free movement wouldn't be popular. Doesn't change the fact it was government and EU policy.
Government policy isn't always popular. Oppositions are allowed to campaign against unpopular policies.
You are showing glimmerings of understanding the xenophobia underlying the focus.
The fact you're not disputing the EU uses the words Joining the EU in that context shows you are showing glimmerings of understanding it's not a lie to use the EU's own words.
No, it’s a clear lie. Turkey is not joining the EU. Only small men pretend otherwise.
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I think he'll be ousted the moment he tries to pardon himself.
You can't 'oust' a US president Mr Eagles. They can only be removed following trial and conviction in the Senate, which as we saw is a long drawn out and tedious process.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I appear to be in the opposite camp on this one. I think (fear) he will serve three terms.
Hmmm.
He would have to amend the US constitution in under six years. He would have to do it without a grandfather clause.
The record for such an amendment to be passed is 203 years. Admittedly some have passed in a few months but they have been uncontroversial ones (e.g. The Presidential succession). Two term limits took four years.
I don't see how he gets supermajorities in congress and a supermajority among state legislatures in the timeframe needed.
That's also not including if he is re-elected he'll be 79 at the end of his second term and his program is already frayed with his popularity slipping.
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I appear to be in the opposite camp on this one. I think (fear) he will serve three terms.
Hmmm.
He would have to amend the US constitution in under six years. He would have to do it without a grandfather clause.
The record for such an amendment to be passed is 203 years. Admittedly some have passed in a few months but they have been uncontroversial ones (e.g. The Presidential succession). Two term limits took four years.
I don't see how he gets supermajorities in congress and a supermajority among state legislatures in the timeframe needed.
That's also not including if he is re-elected he'll be 79 at the end of his second term and his program is already frayed with his popularity slipping.
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I think he'll be ousted the moment he tries to pardon himself.
You can't 'oust' a US president Mr Eagles. They can only be removed following trial and conviction in the Senate, which as we saw is a long drawn out and tedious process.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I appear to be in the opposite camp on this one. I think (fear) he will serve three terms.
Hmmm.
He would have to amend the US constitution in under six years. He would have to do it without a grandfather clause.
The record for such an amendment to be passed is 203 years. Admittedly some have passed in a few months but they have been uncontroversial ones (e.g. The Presidential succession). Two term limits took four years.
I don't see how he gets supermajorities in congress and a supermajority among state legislatures in the timeframe needed.
That's also not including if he is re-elected he'll be 79 at the end of his second term and his program is already frayed with his popularity slipping.
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I think he'll be ousted the moment he tries to pardon himself.
You can't 'oust' a US president Mr Eagles. They can only be removed following trial and conviction in the Senate, which as we saw is a long drawn out and tedious process.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
Check out Section IV of the 25th Amendment.
Doesn't that require a majority in Cabinet? The Cabinet handpicked by Donald?
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I think he'll be ousted the moment he tries to pardon himself.
You can't 'oust' a US president Mr Eagles. They can only be removed following trial and conviction in the Senate, which as we saw is a long drawn out and tedious process.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
Check out Section IV of the 25th Amendment.
Doesn't that require a majority in Cabinet? The Cabinet handpicked by Donald?
It does but I suspect most of them will vote against the Don.
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I think he'll be ousted the moment he tries to pardon himself.
You can't 'oust' a US president Mr Eagles. They can only be removed following trial and conviction in the Senate, which as we saw is a long drawn out and tedious process.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
Check out Section IV of the 25th Amendment.
Doesn't that require a majority in Cabinet? The Cabinet handpicked by Donald?
It does but I suspect most of them will vote against the Don.
It will be one of those moments where suddenly the room turns
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I think he'll be ousted the moment he tries to pardon himself.
You can't 'oust' a US president Mr Eagles. They can only be removed following trial and conviction in the Senate, which as we saw is a long drawn out and tedious process.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
Check out Section IV of the 25th Amendment.
Doesn't that require a majority in Cabinet? The Cabinet handpicked by Donald?
It does but I suspect most of them will vote against the Don.
It also requires 2/3 majorities in both houses (quite likely if the cabinet have decided Trump is unfit).
Interestingly though: "Nothing in Section IV limits the number of times a President may initiate the process to resume office by sending a written declaration to Congress." How farcical would that be? Trump writing repeated requests to have himself reinstated!
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I think he'll be ousted the moment he tries to pardon himself.
You can't 'oust' a US president Mr Eagles. They can only be removed following trial and conviction in the Senate, which as we saw is a long drawn out and tedious process.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
Check out Section IV of the 25th Amendment.
Doesn't that require a majority in Cabinet? The Cabinet handpicked by Donald?
It does but I suspect most of them will vote against the Don.
It will be one of those moments where suddenly the room turns
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I think he'll be ousted the moment he tries to pardon himself.
You can't 'oust' a US president Mr Eagles. They can only be removed following trial and conviction in the Senate, which as we saw is a long drawn out and tedious process.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
Check out Section IV of the 25th Amendment.
Doesn't that require a majority in Cabinet? The Cabinet handpicked by Donald?
It does but I suspect most of them will vote against the Don.
It also requires 2/3 majorities in both houses (quite likely if the cabinet have decided Trump is unfit).
Interestingly though: "Nothing in Section IV limits the number of times a President may initiate the process to resume office by sending a written declaration to Congress." How farcical would that be? Trump writing repeated requests to have himself reinstated!
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I think he'll be ousted the moment he tries to pardon himself.
You can't 'oust' a US president Mr Eagles. They can only be removed following trial and conviction in the Senate, which as we saw is a long drawn out and tedious process.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
Check out Section IV of the 25th Amendment.
Doesn't that require a majority in Cabinet? The Cabinet handpicked by Donald?
It does but I suspect most of them will vote against the Don.
It also requires 2/3 majorities in both houses (quite likely if the cabinet have decided Trump is unfit).
Interestingly though: "Nothing in Section IV limits the number of times a President may initiate the process to resume office by sending a written declaration to Congress." How farcical would that be? Trump writing repeated requests to have himself reinstated!
Dear Congress,
I am a stable genius. What is your problem?
In fact, I am the most stable, greatest genius ever - as everybody agrees.
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I think he'll be ousted the moment he tries to pardon himself.
You can't 'oust' a US president Mr Eagles. They can only be removed following trial and conviction in the Senate, which as we saw is a long drawn out and tedious process.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
Check out Section IV of the 25th Amendment.
Doesn't that require a majority in Cabinet? The Cabinet handpicked by Donald?
It does but I suspect most of them will vote against the Don.
It also requires 2/3 majorities in both houses (quite likely if the cabinet have decided Trump is unfit).
Interestingly though: "Nothing in Section IV limits the number of times a President may initiate the process to resume office by sending a written declaration to Congress." How farcical would that be? Trump writing repeated requests to have himself reinstated!
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I think he'll be ousted the moment he tries to pardon himself.
You can't 'oust' a US president Mr Eagles. They can only be removed following trial and conviction in the Senate, which as we saw is a long drawn out and tedious process.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
Check out Section IV of the 25th Amendment.
Doesn't that require a majority in Cabinet? The Cabinet handpicked by Donald?
It does but I suspect most of them will vote against the Don.
It will be one of those moments where suddenly the room turns
Honestly, I doubt it.
But let's live in hope.
I can't believe they actually like him, they just suffer him. They just have to think that it's no longer in their best interests and he's gone. But maybe not by formal vote, that part seems unlikely.
Keep digging, small man. One day you will wonder why Vote Leave fixated on this.
I know why. Because the idea of 74 million largely poor Turks getting free movement wouldn't be popular. Doesn't change the fact it was government and EU policy.
Government policy isn't always popular. Oppositions are allowed to campaign against unpopular policies.
Nor, whatever official policy, was it actually going to happen. There are no votes in [x] for politicians who sign a Turkish accession treaty.
For x, fill in pretty much any European country's name.
Forgive my ignorance but I have lost the POTUS plot somewhat. Are there any PB views on how serious this is for Trump?
I'm changing my betting position.
For the first time someone has admitted their guilt in breaking campaign laws during the Trump campaign.
He's got two and a half years to go.
It would probably take two years to bring charges.
It will take several months to even frame them should the AG do so.
I think he will survive this term but I think it's unlikely he'll be re-elected even if nominated.
I think he'll be ousted the moment he tries to pardon himself.
You can't 'oust' a US president Mr Eagles. They can only be removed following trial and conviction in the Senate, which as we saw is a long drawn out and tedious process.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
Check out Section IV of the 25th Amendment.
Doesn't that require a majority in Cabinet? The Cabinet handpicked by Donald?
It does but I suspect most of them will vote against the Don.
It will be one of those moments where suddenly the room turns
Honestly, I doubt it.
But let's live in hope.
I can't believe they actually like him, they just suffer him. They just have to think that it's no longer in their best interests and he's gone. But maybe not by formal vote, that part seems unlikely.
Agreed - the Dems obviously want rid of him asap but the GOP get the benefit of having a Republican president still in the White House [at last].
Wildly O/T: I've been arranging a new landline/broadband contract. BT took 20 minutes to answer and gave an unsatisfactory offer. One of their competitors warned "you will have to wait at least 20 minutes": I hung up. The Post Office (who had the second cheapest deal on Comparethemarket) answered instantly. I didn't have all the info they needed, so had to bring again next day. This time it took them 10 seconds to answer. Nice people too, both times. Recommended!
On the other hand, Betfair, who suspended my account (reasonably enough) because I'd not notified them of my last change of address, (1) told me to go to a specified email address to discuss it (2) responded there with information on what I needed to do that proved incorrect (3) responded again with the correct info, but then ignored it when I sent it (4) when I rang the main number, asked me all the info again, then said it wasn't their department. Grrr.
Wildly O/T: I've been arranging a new landline/broadband contract. BT took 20 minutes to answer and gave an unsatisfactory offer. One of their competitors warned "you will have to wait at least 20 minutes": I hung up. The Post Office (who had the second cheapest deal on Comparethemarket) answered instantly. I didn't have all the info they needed, so had to bring again next day. This time it took them 10 seconds to answer. Nice people too, both times. Recommended!
On the other hand, Betfair, who suspended my account (reasonably enough) because I'd not notified them of my last change of address, (1) told me to go to a specified email address to discuss it (2) responded there with information on what I needed to do that proved incorrect (3) responded again with the correct info, but then ignored it when I sent it (4) when I rang the main number, asked me all the info again, then said it wasn't their department. Grrr.
Hang on, I don't think I've ever told betfair my last three addresses
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Measnwhile, contemplate why the lie was told.
But nor is it likely they can pardon themselves. So he would look even more of an idiot if he tried to do that, and damage his re-election chances further.
But could we maybe swap the numbers round?
Sounds familiar. How long before his supporters are chanting 'Fake News' at the BBC reporters?
Interestingly though: "Nothing in Section IV limits the number of times a President may initiate the process to resume office by sending a written declaration to Congress." How farcical would that be? Trump writing repeated requests to have himself reinstated!
But let's live in hope.
I am a stable genius. What is your problem?
For x, fill in pretty much any European country's name.
On the other hand, Betfair, who suspended my account (reasonably enough) because I'd not notified them of my last change of address, (1) told me to go to a specified email address to discuss it (2) responded there with information on what I needed to do that proved incorrect (3) responded again with the correct info, but then ignored it when I sent it (4) when I rang the main number, asked me all the info again, then said it wasn't their department. Grrr.
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That said, I think he'll stand in 2020, get the nomination and lose the general election.