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TMay June 9th 2017

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Tissue_Price

First, I suppose.

notme

Second like Corbyn.

Philip_Thompson

What a shame that the incumbent and leading rival are both crap. Especially when there are many better alternatives like Javid or Gove.

DavidL

What a remarkable smile that is. Reeks of .....something.

AlastairMeeks

Theresa May will stay while things could get worse if she is replaced. Or she might step down at a time of her own choosing.

If she wants to thwart one particular candidate, that might be at a moment of a passing cloud. Who might she want to thwart?

MikeSmithson

DavidL said:

What a remarkable smile that is. Reeks of .....something.

The pic of TMay is a screen grab from the day after the general election.

DavidL

AlastairMeeks said:

Theresa May will stay while things could get worse if she is replaced. Or she might step down at a time of her own choosing.

If she wants to thwart one particular candidate, that might be at a moment of a passing cloud. Who might she want to thwart?

I think the list is quite long. She doesn’t seem to have many friends in her party or her cabinet. But there is almost certainly one name at the top.

John_M

Just read either, or better yet, both of the recent Shipman books. Boris can't fake sincerity or disguise his utter lack of interest in anyone other than his good self. He reeks of self-interest and would cheerfully throw anyone under a bus if it served his goal.

DavidL

MikeSmithson said:

DavidL said:

What a remarkable smile that is. Reeks of .....something.

The pic of TMay is a screen grab from the day after the general election.

Maybe not one of her better days then, in fairness. But there is no happiness, no humour, no sincerity, just deep regret with more than a hint of hurt.

DavidL

John_M said:

Just read either, or better yet, both of the recent Shipman books. Boris can't fake sincerity or disguise his utter lack of interest in anyone other than his good self. He reeks of self-interest and would cheerfully throw anyone under a bus if it served his goal.

He knows the utility of a bus, that is for sure.

John_M

DavidL said:

MikeSmithson said:

DavidL said:

What a remarkable smile that is. Reeks of .....something.

The pic of TMay is a screen grab from the day after the general election.

Maybe not one of her better days then, in fairness. But there is no happiness, no humour, no sincerity, just deep regret with more than a hint of hurt.

I'm afraid her expression puts me in mind of some victims of mild strokes.

Pulpstar

John_M said:

DavidL said:

MikeSmithson said:

DavidL said:

What a remarkable smile that is. Reeks of .....something.

The pic of TMay is a screen grab from the day after the general election.

Maybe not one of her better days then, in fairness. But there is no happiness, no humour, no sincerity, just deep regret with more than a hint of hurt.

I'm afraid her expression puts me in mind of some victims of mild strokes.

Individual frames from a video can be used to show anything you want.

Philip_Thompson

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

kle4

Catching up, very interesting threat from Nick Palmer on Cultural Leftism.

Tissue_Price

kle4 said:

Catching up, very interesting threat from Nick Palmer on Cultural Leftism.

It was, wasn't it? The whole header was good too, mind.

AlastairMeeks

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

Sunil_Prasannan

https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/876894066478329857

HYUFD

May is a far better choice than Boris to conduct the Brexit negotiations.

Whether May is a better choice than Boris to beat Corbyn at the next general election is less clear cut

felix

kle4 said:

Catching up, very interesting threat from Nick Palmer on Cultural Leftism.

You mean the one which failed to mention anti-semitism while suggesting Labour was in line with modern culture. Rather you than me. I found it nauseating.

DavidL

HYUFD said:

May is a far better choice than Boris to conduct the Brexit negotiations.

Whether May is a better choice than Boris to beat Corbyn at the next general election is less clear cut

It is pretty much inconceivable, major ill health apart, that anyone else could finalise the Brexit negotiations now. For good or ill the party made its choice by default. The priority now is to get it done.

Sandpit

Pulpstar said:

John_M said:

DavidL said:

MikeSmithson said:

DavidL said:

What a remarkable smile that is. Reeks of .....something.

The pic of TMay is a screen grab from the day after the general election.

Maybe not one of her better days then, in fairness. But there is no happiness, no humour, no sincerity, just deep regret with more than a hint of hurt.

I'm afraid her expression puts me in mind of some victims of mild strokes.

Individual frames from a video can be used to show anything you want.

Look at Ed Miliband and a bacon sandwich for evidence of that.

HYUFD

Philip_Thompson said:

What a shame that the incumbent and leading rival are both crap. Especially when there are many better alternatives like Javid or Gove.

Who according to Yougov would see the Tories poll a significantly lower voteshare against Corbyn Labour under their leadership than under May or Boris

Sandpit

For some reason India are out to 1.16 to win this match, and they’re about to take a new ball. That’s silly value.

Sunil_Prasannan

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/582164115260641280

DavidL

Sandpit said:

For some reason India are out to 1.16 to win this match, and they’re about to take a new ball. That’s silly value.

I agree although India are just starting to look a bowler light. If the game is still going they are going to be stiff tomorrow.

MarqueeMark

Boris's fate was sealed in 2017 when he didn't stand.

He may yet be PM in 2018/19/20 IF

1. he can convince enough of his his fellow MPs that he has a personal credo that isn't just "I'm Boris - enough said" AND

2. he can come up with a convincing reason why he was not a fit and proper candidate in 2017 - but is now AND

3. enough of those MPs believe he has the vim and vigour to deliver - and won't just be bored and an idle delegator AND

4. enough of those MPs are prepared to take a leap of faith and put him forward to the membership AND

5. enough of the membership are convinced of their ability to sell Boris's personal credo on the doorstep

So far we have had very little from him that would satisfy any of those five points. It's still not impossible - because frankly he is the only personality in front line Tory politics who could pull it off (and the only one with much personality). But he starts from a very, very long way back - and appears to have spent the summer not having heard the starting pistol (a short provocative piece on burqas notwithstanding).

Unlike many on here, I have not been entirely persuaded against Boris. But he has a lot of work to do to get me to vote for him. (Of course, depending on the choice, I may end up voting against his opponent. But I would like a positive reason to vote. Or to stop me from just abstaining altogether.)

Nigel_Foremain

John_M said:

Just read either, or better yet, both of the recent Shipman books. Boris can't fake sincerity or disguise his utter lack of interest in anyone other than his good self. He reeks of self-interest and would cheerfully throw anyone under a bus if it served his goal.

Which is why he is fundamentally unsuited for high office, along with a general impression of complete incompetence when he held the role of FS for what was thankfully for the nation a relatively short period. He desperately wants to be seen as Churchill, when in reality he is more Coco The Clown. Quite sad really

Nigel_Foremain

HYUFD said:

Philip_Thompson said:

What a shame that the incumbent and leading rival are both crap. Especially when there are many better alternatives like Javid or Gove.

Who according to Yougov would see the Tories poll a significantly lower voteshare against Corbyn Labour under their leadership than under May or Boris

Because a large amount of the population don't know who they are. Boris has the advantage of a highly recognisable appearance

MarqueeMark

felix said:

kle4 said:

Catching up, very interesting threat from Nick Palmer on Cultural Leftism.

You mean the one which failed to mention anti-semitism while suggesting Labour was in line with modern culture. Rather you than me. I found it nauseating.

Nicely put.

Sandpit

Nigel_Foremain said:

John_M said:

Just read either, or better yet, both of the recent Shipman books. Boris can't fake sincerity or disguise his utter lack of interest in anyone other than his good self. He reeks of self-interest and would cheerfully throw anyone under a bus if it served his goal.

Which is why he is fundamentally unsuited for high office, along with a general impression of complete incompetence when he held the role of FS for what was thankfully for the nation a relatively short period. He desperately wants to be seen as Churchill, when in reality he is more Coco The Clown. Quite sad really

We agree on that. Mrs May gave him enough rope to hang himself.

DavidL

That is ridiculous. Umpires call on both outside the line and hitting the stumps. What happened to the benefit of the doubt going to the batsman?

Superb innings by Buttler but that is a harsh dismissal. Bairstow not so much.

Sandpit

DavidL said:

That is ridiculous. Umpires call on both outside the line and hitting the stumps. What happened to the benefit of the doubt going to the batsman?

Superb innings by Buttler but that is a harsh dismissal. Bairstow not so much.

He didn’t look like he wanted to be out there.

Odds 1.03 now, for everyone who put their mortgage on India at 1.16 10 mins ago.

DavidL

Real chance of this finishing tonight now.

Nigel_Foremain

MarqueeMark said:

felix said:

kle4 said:

Catching up, very interesting threat from Nick Palmer on Cultural Leftism.

You mean the one which failed to mention anti-semitism while suggesting Labour was in line with modern culture. Rather you than me. I found it nauseating.

Nicely put.

Yes, a loss of credibility in extremis on that point. He also failed to mention that he did rather well out of the capitalist system through (unusually for a Labour politician) having a moderately successful pre-politics career in the pharmaceutical industry. I wonder whether he benefits from a good capitalist's pension to supplement his ex-MP's pension?

ydoethur

DavidL said:

John_M said:

Just read either, or better yet, both of the recent Shipman books. Boris can't fake sincerity or disguise his utter lack of interest in anyone other than his good self. He reeks of self-interest and would cheerfully throw anyone under a bus if it served his goal.

He knows the utility of a bus, that is for sure.

He'll find it has other uses when the PCP throw him under one.

ydoethur

DavidL said:

Real chance of this finishing tonight now.

While Stoke and Woakes are still there, there's hope of play tomorrow.

When they're out, that's all folks.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Doethur, this is serious, not a time for jokes.

OblitusSumMe

DavidL said:

That is ridiculous. Umpires call on both outside the line and hitting the stumps. What happened to the benefit of the doubt going to the batsman?

Superb innings by Buttler but that is a harsh dismissal. Bairstow not so much.

It is a review system, not a decision system. The umpire is mandated to give the benefit of the doubt to the batsman. DRS is mandated to give the benefit of the doubt to the umpire.

Sandpit

ydoethur said:

DavidL said:

Real chance of this finishing tonight now.

While Stoke and Woakes are still there, there's hope of play tomorrow.

When they're out, that's all folks.

Well one of them is. This could finish tonight.

David_Evershed

Woakes out.

Meanwhile at Scarborough, after scoring a double century, Moeen Ali has taken the first four Yorkshire wickets.

Nigel_Foremain

ydoethur said:

DavidL said:

John_M said:

Just read either, or better yet, both of the recent Shipman books. Boris can't fake sincerity or disguise his utter lack of interest in anyone other than his good self. He reeks of self-interest and would cheerfully throw anyone under a bus if it served his goal.

He knows the utility of a bus, that is for sure.

He'll find it has other uses when the PCP throw him under one.

Perhaps enough of them will "lend him their vote to ensure all wings of he party have their say". Problem is, no-one knows what wing of the party Boris really does represent as he is a lying maipulative little shit

Sandpit

OblitusSumMe said:

DavidL said:

That is ridiculous. Umpires call on both outside the line and hitting the stumps. What happened to the benefit of the doubt going to the batsman?

Superb innings by Buttler but that is a harsh dismissal. Bairstow not so much.

It is a review system, not a decision system. The umpire is mandated to give the benefit of the doubt to the batsman. DRS is mandated to give the benefit of the doubt to the umpire.

That’s a good way of putting it.

The idea of DRS is to stop the ‘howlers’ made by an ump who gets one look in real time, not to endlessly go over every decision.

Sandpit

David_Evershed said:

Woakes out.

Meanwhile at Scarborough, after scoring a double century, Moeen Ali has taken the first four Yorkshire wickets.

What’s he doing next week?

HYUFD

DavidL said:

HYUFD said:

May is a far better choice than Boris to conduct the Brexit negotiations.

Whether May is a better choice than Boris to beat Corbyn at the next general election is less clear cut

It is pretty much inconceivable, major ill health apart, that anyone else could finalise the Brexit negotiations now. For good or ill the party made its choice by default. The priority now is to get it done.

Yes and she will do so

HYUFD

Nigel_Foremain said:

HYUFD said:

Philip_Thompson said:

What a shame that the incumbent and leading rival are both crap. Especially when there are many better alternatives like Javid or Gove.

Who according to Yougov would see the Tories poll a significantly lower voteshare against Corbyn Labour under their leadership than under May or Boris

Because a large amount of the population don't know who they are. Boris has the advantage of a highly recognisable appearance

Javid is now Home Secretary, one of the 3 big offices of state and Gove is still in the Cabinet while Boris has left it. They cannot rely on the name recognition argument much longer and certainly not in a leadership campaign where they will have plenty of publicity

IanB2

Some politicians look better viewed from a distance.

HYUFD

Culture Secretary Jeremy Wright to give his party conference speech as a hologram


https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/aliceazania-jarvis-obama-might-get-away-with-book-bragging-but-the-rest-of-us-should-think-before-we-a3916891.html

williamglenn

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1031943630590763010?s=21

PClipp

Philip_Thompson said:

What a shame that the incumbent and leading rival are both crap. Especially when there are many better alternatives like Javid or Gove.

But only relatively better, Mr Thompson. Nothing there to get the pulse beating.

It`s like comparing May with Corbyn.

HYUFD

'Is Boris Islamophobic?'

Huge difference in view of Leavers and Remainers

https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1031896199492644864

ydoethur

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Doethur, this is serious, not a time for jokes.

Was that about Boris or about cricket?

HYUFD

Corbyn refuses six times to say whether or not Britain is better off outside the EU

https://mobile.twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1031943630590763010

tlg86

DavidL said:

That is ridiculous. Umpires call on both outside the line and hitting the stumps. What happened to the benefit of the doubt going to the batsman?

Superb innings by Buttler but that is a harsh dismissal. Bairstow not so much.

Basically Michael Holding wants the stumps to be smaller for LBW.

And Buttler wasn't playing a shot so where his pad was when the ball hit him doesn't matter.

TOPPING

Great news team!

EU residents will not be turfed out.

Says our Brexit secretary.

Huzzah!

Benpointer

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1031943630590763010?s=21

Clearest sign yet that Corbyn will not be around for much longer... At 1:04 in that interview "The Prime Minister delivering Brexit, if it's us, will be ensuring that..."

Which I interpret as, "if Labour are negotiating Brexit the PM will not be me".

Benpointer

HYUFD said:

Culture Secretary Jeremy Wright to give his party conference speech as a hologram


https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/aliceazania-jarvis-obama-might-get-away-with-book-bragging-but-the-rest-of-us-should-think-before-we-a3916891.html

Struggling to see the link to the, er, link.

MarqueeMark

TOPPING said:

Great news team!

EU residents will not be turfed out.

Says our Brexit secretary.

Huzzah!

Save the "great news" for the EU saying likewise....

oxfordsimon

HYUFD said:

Corbyn refuses six times to say whether or not Britain is better off outside the EU

https://mobile.twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1031943630590763010

It is more than a refusal. It is an absolute inability to articulate anything other than his prepared line over and over and over again.

It is his Howard moment.

ExiledInScotland

Nigel_Foremain said:

HYUFD said:

Philip_Thompson said:

What a shame that the incumbent and leading rival are both crap. Especially when there are many better alternatives like Javid or Gove.

Who according to Yougov would see the Tories poll a significantly lower voteshare against Corbyn Labour under their leadership than under May or Boris

Because a large amount of the population don't know who they are. Boris has the advantage of a highly recognisable appearance

At the risk of being a broken record, the next Tory leader must be comfortable in their own skin, perform well on TV and sell sunlit uplands or they will lose the election. Gove no. Javid maybe. Boris probably.

TOPPING

MarqueeMark said:

TOPPING said:

Great news team!

EU residents will not be turfed out.

Says our Brexit secretary.

Huzzah!

Save the "great news" for the EU saying likewise....

It's great isn't it that this needs to be said.

Sandpit

MarqueeMark said:

TOPPING said:

Great news team!

EU residents will not be turfed out.

Says our Brexit secretary.

Huzzah!

Save the "great news" for the EU saying likewise....

Quite. One side seems to be happy to use people as pawns in the negotiations.

Philip_Thompson

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

The EU lists Turkey under "joining the EU" on their own website. Why is the EU promoting a xenophobic lie? https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en#joining-the-eu

You make out like all that happens to be joining the EU is the date you join but to quote "Becoming a member of the EU is a complex procedure which does not happen overnight."

Turkey is in the middle of the Joining the EU procedure listed there and is listed as nation under it.

HYUFD

Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

Culture Secretary Jeremy Wright to give his party conference speech as a hologram


https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/aliceazania-jarvis-obama-might-get-away-with-book-bragging-but-the-rest-of-us-should-think-before-we-a3916891.html

Struggling to see the link to the, er, link.

Scroll down, it is about third comment piece

Jonathan

ExiledInScotland said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

HYUFD said:

Philip_Thompson said:

What a shame that the incumbent and leading rival are both crap. Especially when there are many better alternatives like Javid or Gove.

Who according to Yougov would see the Tories poll a significantly lower voteshare against Corbyn Labour under their leadership than under May or Boris

Because a large amount of the population don't know who they are. Boris has the advantage of a highly recognisable appearance

At the risk of being a broken record, the next Tory leader must be comfortable in their own skin, perform well on TV and sell sunlit uplands or they will lose the election. Gove no. Javid maybe. Boris probably.

Nothing about being a good, effective PM capable of leading Britain through a difficult period. Just a telegenic salesman with an ego.

John_M

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

The EU lists Turkey under "joining the EU" on their own website. Why is the EU promoting a xenophobic lie? https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en#joining-the-eu

You make out like all that happens to be joining the EU is the date you join but to quote "Becoming a member of the EU is a complex procedure which does not happen overnight."

Turkey is in the middle of the Joining the EU procedure listed there and is listed as nation under it.

Websites don't necessarily reflect ground truth, whodathunk it? Turkey became a candidate country in 2005. Since then, it's completed one of the 35 elements of the accession criteria. After the coup attempt, accession talks were suspended.

So, I think in a bureaucratic, technical sense, Turkey is a candidate country, but in the same way that I'm a candidate to be Michelle Pfeiffer's next husband.

If there were no more Erdogan, and the remaining elements of the accession criteria were met and the North Cyprus question were settled and the French and Austrian referendums on the matter were in favour and no one else vetoed their accession, then hey presto! the leaflet is correct.

John_M

Jonathan said:

ExiledInScotland said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

HYUFD said:

Philip_Thompson said:

What a shame that the incumbent and leading rival are both crap. Especially when there are many better alternatives like Javid or Gove.

Who according to Yougov would see the Tories poll a significantly lower voteshare against Corbyn Labour under their leadership than under May or Boris

Because a large amount of the population don't know who they are. Boris has the advantage of a highly recognisable appearance

At the risk of being a broken record, the next Tory leader must be comfortable in their own skin, perform well on TV and sell sunlit uplands or they will lose the election. Gove no. Javid maybe. Boris probably.

Nothing about being a good, effective PM capable of leading Britain through a difficult period. Just a telegenic salesman with an ego.

You know what? I'd be very motivated to vote for a party with sensible, costed, coherent policies on, oh I don't know, housing, health and social care and maybe even taxation reform. If some party were to make those proposals I wouldn't care if they were led by Kermit the frog.

FF43

I bore for Brexit, but it's worth taking stock from time to time of where we are. This is a good summary of the state of play.

Key passage :
Almost all Conservative MPs would reject the EU's backstop proposal, so signing up to the Withdrawal Agreement as it currently exists is not an option for May.

It basically comes down to whether Tory and DUP MPs are prepared to accept chaos instead of signing up to the NI backstop or whether they will take the chaos first and THEN sign up.

TheWhiteRabbit

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TOPPING

Sandpit said:

MarqueeMark said:

TOPPING said:

Great news team!

EU residents will not be turfed out.

Says our Brexit secretary.

Huzzah!

Save the "great news" for the EU saying likewise....

Quite. One side seems to be happy to use people as pawns in the negotiations.

Should you care to look back you will see that unlike the weasel Leavers who wanted to unilaterally guarantee EU nationals' rights, I from the start realised that there must be an agreement on both.

We are in a negotiation and it is one item on the agenda.

Philip_Thompson

FF43 said:

I bore for Brexit, but it's worth taking stock from time to time of where we are. This is a good summary of the state of play.

Key passage :
Almost all Conservative MPs would reject the EU's backstop proposal, so signing up to the Withdrawal Agreement as it currently exists is not an option for May.

It basically comes down to whether Tory and DUP MPs are prepared to accept chaos instead of signing up to the NI backstop or whether they will take the chaos first and THEN sign up.

Or whether the EU accepts this is a bridge too far and agrees something else.

Philip_Thompson

John_M said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

The EU lists Turkey under "joining the EU" on their own website. Why is the EU promoting a xenophobic lie? https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en#joining-the-eu

You make out like all that happens to be joining the EU is the date you join but to quote "Becoming a member of the EU is a complex procedure which does not happen overnight."

Turkey is in the middle of the Joining the EU procedure listed there and is listed as nation under it.

Websites don't necessarily reflect ground truth, whodathunk it? Turkey became a candidate country in 2005. Since then, it's completed one of the 35 elements of the accession criteria. After the coup attempt, accession talks were suspended.

So, I think in a bureaucratic, technical sense, Turkey is a candidate country, but in the same way that I'm a candidate to be Michelle Pfeiffer's next husband.

If there were no more Erdogan, and the remaining elements of the accession criteria were met and the North Cyprus question were settled and the French and Austrian referendums on the matter were in favour and no one else vetoed their accession, then hey presto! the leaflet is correct.

Joining is a process not an event. Hey presto on your scenario and they'd have then joined not be joining.

The coup and suspension came AFTER the referendum.

Calling using the exact words the EU uses on it's OWN website a xenophobic lie and dismissing it as just a website is a stretch don't you think?

John_M

Philip_Thompson said:

John_M said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

The EU lists Turkey under "joining the EU" on their own website. Why is the EU promoting a xenophobic lie? https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en#joining-the-eu

You make out like all that happens to be joining the EU is the date you join but to quote "Becoming a member of the EU is a complex procedure which does not happen overnight."

Turkey is in the middle of the Joining the EU procedure listed there and is listed as nation under it.

Joining is a process not an event. Hey presto on your scenario and they'd have then joined not be joining.

The coup and suspension came AFTER the referendum.

Calling using the exact words the EU uses on it's OWN website a xenophobic lie and dismissing it as just a website is a stretch don't you think?

Alastair is just that crazy old guy who comes and sits next to you on the bus and rants about space aliens. Don't pay him no never mind. Think of him like those WWI invalids with shell shock. There are a few of them around...Adonis, Grayling, Maugham etc.

David_Evershed

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ABC news of America reporting that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen has entered into a plea bargain with the Feds.

Tick tock???

Aren't lawyers supposed to maintain client confidentiality.

If Cohen breaks that confidentiality then he becomes dishonourable and discredits his evidence. Also the plea bagain itself puts doubt on the evidence provided in the bargain exchange eg make up something to bargain with.

David_Evershed

Jonathan said:

ExiledInScotland said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

HYUFD said:

Philip_Thompson said:

What a shame that the incumbent and leading rival are both crap. Especially when there are many better alternatives like Javid or Gove.

Who according to Yougov would see the Tories poll a significantly lower voteshare against Corbyn Labour under their leadership than under May or Boris

Because a large amount of the population don't know who they are. Boris has the advantage of a highly recognisable appearance

At the risk of being a broken record, the next Tory leader must be comfortable in their own skin, perform well on TV and sell sunlit uplands or they will lose the election. Gove no. Javid maybe. Boris probably.

Nothing about being a good, effective PM capable of leading Britain through a difficult period. Just a telegenic salesman with an ego.

That's the celebrity culture we live in. Better to be on Love Island than go to Uni.

Sandpit

TOPPING said:

Sandpit said:

MarqueeMark said:

TOPPING said:

Great news team!

EU residents will not be turfed out.

Says our Brexit secretary.

Huzzah!

Save the "great news" for the EU saying likewise....

Quite. One side seems to be happy to use people as pawns in the negotiations.

Should you care to look back you will see that unlike the weasel Leavers who wanted to unilaterally guarantee EU nationals' rights, I from the start realised that there must be an agreement on both.

We are in a negotiation and it is one item on the agenda.

Two years ago I’d have agreed with you, that it was a negotiation item. Now that it’s quite clear that the EU side have no intention of negotiating in good faith and are quite prepared to screw their own economy as long as we also suffer, it’s time to make it clear that we are the adults in the room.

David_Evershed

Sandpit said:

David_Evershed said:

Woakes out.

Meanwhile at Scarborough, after scoring a double century, Moeen Ali has taken the first four Yorkshire wickets.

What’s he doing next week?

Solving Brexit.

Anorak

John_M said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

The EU lists Turkey under "joining the EU" on their own website. Why is the EU promoting a xenophobic lie? https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en#joining-the-eu

You make out like all that happens to be joining the EU is the date you join but to quote "Becoming a member of the EU is a complex procedure which does not happen overnight."

Turkey is in the middle of the Joining the EU procedure listed there and is listed as nation under it.

Websites don't necessarily reflect ground truth, whodathunk it? Turkey became a candidate country in 2005. Since then, it's completed one of the 35 elements of the accession criteria. After the coup attempt, accession talks were suspended.

So, I think in a bureaucratic, technical sense, Turkey is a candidate country, but in the same way that I'm a candidate to be Michelle Pfeiffer's next husband.

If there were no more Erdogan, and the remaining elements of the accession criteria were met and the North Cyprus question were settled and the French and Austrian referendums on the matter were in favour and no one else vetoed their accession, then hey presto! the leaflet is correct.

And luckily the Greeks luuurve the Turks, so that won't be a veto problem either.

HYUFD

David_Evershed said:

Jonathan said:

ExiledInScotland said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

HYUFD said:

Philip_Thompson said:

What a shame that the incumbent and leading rival are both crap. Especially when there are many better alternatives like Javid or Gove.

Who according to Yougov would see the Tories poll a significantly lower voteshare against Corbyn Labour under their leadership than under May or Boris

Because a large amount of the population don't know who they are. Boris has the advantage of a highly recognisable appearance

At the risk of being a broken record, the next Tory leader must be comfortable in their own skin, perform well on TV and sell sunlit uplands or they will lose the election. Gove no. Javid maybe. Boris probably.

Nothing about being a good, effective PM capable of leading Britain through a difficult period. Just a telegenic salesman with an ego.

That's the celebrity culture we live in. Better to be on Love Island than go to Uni.

Boris went to Oxford and is a classicist, it is not that, just charisma normally wins general elections

SquareRoot

Re comments about Corbyn leaving or being replaced. McDonnell, is arguably worse. He wants to seize the means of production as he told the brothers.

williamglenn

Reassuring.

https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1031957257775472642

Foxy

Philip_Thompson said:

FF43 said:

I bore for Brexit, but it's worth taking stock from time to time of where we are. This is a good summary of the state of play.

Key passage :
Almost all Conservative MPs would reject the EU's backstop proposal, so signing up to the Withdrawal Agreement as it currently exists is not an option for May.

It basically comes down to whether Tory and DUP MPs are prepared to accept chaos instead of signing up to the NI backstop or whether they will take the chaos first and THEN sign up.

Or whether the EU accepts this is a bridge too far and agrees something else.

We agreed the backstop in December.

Is it now part of the Leaver negotiating strategy to build successful talks on the back of going back on our word? What masterful strategists they are!

Pulpstar

SquareRoot said:

Re comments about Corbyn leaving or being replaced. McDonnell, is arguably worse. He wants to seize the means of production as he told the brothers.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

Anorak

SquareRoot said:

Re comments about Corbyn leaving or being replaced. McDonnell, is arguably worse. He wants to seize the means of production as he told the brothers.

Yeah but while Corbyn has this (utterly false) affable, lovable, peace-loving persona, much beloved by his followers, McDonnell has the appeal of gangrene.

He might be a worse prospect for the country, but he'd fail to energise the base in the same way and - IMHO - would see Labour on sub-30%.

David_Evershed

HYUFD said:

David_Evershed said:

Jonathan said:

ExiledInScotland said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

HYUFD said:

Philip_Thompson said:

What a shame that the incumbent and leading rival are both crap. Especially when there are many better alternatives like Javid or Gove.

Who according to Yougov would see the Tories poll a significantly lower voteshare against Corbyn Labour under their leadership than under May or Boris

Because a large amount of the population don't know who they are. Boris has the advantage of a highly recognisable appearance

At the risk of being a broken record, the next Tory leader must be comfortable in their own skin, perform well on TV and sell sunlit uplands or they will lose the election. Gove no. Javid maybe. Boris probably.

Nothing about being a good, effective PM capable of leading Britain through a difficult period. Just a telegenic salesman with an ego.

That's the celebrity culture we live in. Better to be on Love Island than go to Uni.

Boris went to Oxford and is a classicist, it is not that, just charisma normally wins general elections

Boris does seem to be lucky in love though.

AlastairMeeks

John_M said:

Philip_Thompson said:

John_M said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

The EU lists Turkey under "joining the EU" on their own website. Why is the EU promoting a xenophobic lie? https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en#joining-the-eu

You make out like all that happens to be joining the EU is the date you join but to quote "Becoming a member of the EU is a complex procedure which does not happen overnight."

Turkey is in the middle of the Joining the EU procedure listed there and is listed as nation under it.

Joining is a process not an event. Hey presto on your scenario and they'd have then joined not be joining.

The coup and suspension came AFTER the referendum.

Calling using the exact words the EU uses on it's OWN website a xenophobic lie and dismissing it as just a website is a stretch don't you think?

Alastair is just that crazy old guy who comes and sits next to you on the bus and rants about space aliens. Don't pay him no never mind. Think of him like those WWI invalids with shell shock. There are a few of them around...Adonis, Grayling, Maugham etc.

No. Just a guy who despises those who continue to propagate xenophobic lies and those who seek to benefit from them.

kle4

Tissue_Price said:

kle4 said:

Catching up, very interesting threat from Nick Palmer on Cultural Leftism.

It was, wasn't it? The whole header was good too, mind.

Simple mistake or telling mistake?

kle4

Philip_Thompson said:

FF43 said:

I bore for Brexit, but it's worth taking stock from time to time of where we are. This is a good summary of the state of play.

Key passage :
Almost all Conservative MPs would reject the EU's backstop proposal, so signing up to the Withdrawal Agreement as it currently exists is not an option for May.

It basically comes down to whether Tory and DUP MPs are prepared to accept chaos instead of signing up to the NI backstop or whether they will take the chaos first and THEN sign up.

Or whether the EU accepts this is a bridge too far and agrees something else.

Why would they do that? Right or wrong they seem to believe we will always bend first, and little more than whispers that rarely materialise indicates otherwise.

kle4

Benpointer said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1031943630590763010?s=21

Clearest sign yet that Corbyn will not be around for much longer... At 1:04 in that interview "The Prime Minister delivering Brexit, if it's us, will be ensuring that..."

Which I interpret as, "if Labour are negotiating Brexit the PM will not be me".

Might just be he's thought of himself as an outsider for so long his default language places himself outside the leadership.

AlastairMeeks

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

The EU lists Turkey under "joining the EU" on their own website. Why is the EU promoting a xenophobic lie? https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en#joining-the-eu

You make out like all that happens to be joining the EU is the date you join but to quote "Becoming a member of the EU is a complex procedure which does not happen overnight."

Turkey is in the middle of the Joining the EU procedure listed there and is listed as nation under it.

It’s going to take a long long time before you get to be a big man.

Gallowgate

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fianna-fáil-and-sdlp-in-negotiations-over-merger-1.3602403

Has this been discussed?
Another step towards normalising a united Ireland?

HYUFD

Gallowgate said:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fianna-fáil-and-sdlp-in-negotiations-over-merger-1.3602403

Has this been discussed?
Another step towards normalising a united Ireland?

No, it makes zero difference as a majority of Catholic SDLP voters already back a united Ireland as do FF at least in theory (they are after all De Valera's Party) and the SDLP have 0 MPs anyway and given Stormont is still suspended effectively no representatives beyond a few Councillors.


It is mainly to keep some SDLP MEPs post Brexit it seems

Gallowgate

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fianna-fáil-and-sdlp-in-negotiations-over-merger-1.3602403

Has this been discussed?
Another step towards normalising a united Ireland?

No, it makes zero difference as a majority of Catholic SDLP voters already back a united Ireland as do FF at least in theory (they are after all De Valera's Party) and the SDLP have 0 MPs anyway and given Stormont is still suspended effectively no representatives beyond a few Councillors

Cheers. Interesting to read about it in that context. What about the possibility of the UK Labour Party running Westminster candidates in NI?

HYUFD

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fianna-fáil-and-sdlp-in-negotiations-over-merger-1.3602403

Has this been discussed?
Another step towards normalising a united Ireland?

No, it makes zero difference as a majority of Catholic SDLP voters already back a united Ireland as do FF at least in theory (they are after all De Valera's Party) and the SDLP have 0 MPs anyway and given Stormont is still suspended effectively no representatives beyond a few Councillors

Cheers. Interesting to read about it in that context. What about the possibility of the UK Labour Party running Westminster candidates in NI?

Unlikely, certainly under Corbyn, in any case it is the SF and DUP show at the moment with other parties not getting a look in in NI

Philip_Thompson

Foxy said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FF43 said:

I bore for Brexit, but it's worth taking stock from time to time of where we are. This is a good summary of the state of play.

Key passage :
Almost all Conservative MPs would reject the EU's backstop proposal, so signing up to the Withdrawal Agreement as it currently exists is not an option for May.

It basically comes down to whether Tory and DUP MPs are prepared to accept chaos instead of signing up to the NI backstop or whether they will take the chaos first and THEN sign up.

Or whether the EU accepts this is a bridge too far and agrees something else.

We agreed the backstop in December.

Is it now part of the Leaver negotiating strategy to build successful talks on the back of going back on our word? What masterful strategists they are!

We did but we didn't agree the detail of the backstop and their detail is different to ours and not what was agreed.

What was agreed in December was a backstop that would apply to the whole of the UK including NI and that there would be no barriers between NI and GB unless NI agreed to them (ironically that is Article 50 of the agreement from December). They now want the backstop to be NI only and not apply to GB. The DUP would have vetoed that last December and quite rightly too. It is the EU that is backsliding.

Philip_Thompson

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

The EU lists Turkey under "joining the EU" on their own website. Why is the EU promoting a xenophobic lie? https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en#joining-the-eu

You make out like all that happens to be joining the EU is the date you join but to quote "Becoming a member of the EU is a complex procedure which does not happen overnight."

Turkey is in the middle of the Joining the EU procedure listed there and is listed as nation under it.

It’s going to take a long long time before you get to be a big man.

Or you. Those exact words are on the EU's own website but you're not big enough to accept that. How dare leavers use the EU's own words!?

RoyalBlue

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

The EU lists Turkey under "joining the EU" on their own website. Why is the EU promoting a xenophobic lie? https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en#joining-the-eu

You make out like all that happens to be joining the EU is the date you join but to quote "Becoming a member of the EU is a complex procedure which does not happen overnight."

Turkey is in the middle of the Joining the EU procedure listed there and is listed as nation under it.

It’s going to take a long long time before you get to be a big man.

What does that even mean?

It’s OK Mr Meeks. We already know you think that it’s acceptable for the British government to tell Turkey one thing, and expect the electorate to accept a nod and a wink that something else is the case. Cameron would have won the referendum if he’d vetoed Turkish entry or at least promised a referendum while the Tories are in power.

AlastairMeeks

RoyalBlue said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

The EU lists Turkey under "joining the EU" on their own website. Why is the EU promoting a xenophobic lie? https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en#joining-the-eu

You make out like all that happens to be joining the EU is the date you join but to quote "Becoming a member of the EU is a complex procedure which does not happen overnight."

Turkey is in the middle of the Joining the EU procedure listed there and is listed as nation under it.

It’s going to take a long long time before you get to be a big man.

What does that even mean?

It’s OK Mr Meeks. We already know you think that it’s acceptable for the British government to tell Turkey one thing, and expect the electorate to accept a nod and a wink that something else is the case. Cameron would have won the referendum if he’d vetoed Turkish entry or at least promised a referendum while the Tories are in power.

Interesting both of you focus on the lie aspect (newsflash Turkey isn’t joining the EU) and neither of you think about the xenophobic bit.

Casino_Royale

williamglenn said:

Reassuring.

https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1031957257775472642

Have they tried asking a Mr. Largo of Nassau?

Ishmael_Z

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

Torby_Fennel said:

Tissue_Price said:

Anna has 7 apples. Bryony has 4 apples. Cathy has 5 apples.

Who has the most apples? Don't all shout at once.

I think the trouble here is that the word "most" can be used in different ways that are equally correct.

At the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won the most seats but didn't win most of the seats. I think that works?

Yes that's how it works. "The most" means more than any other while simply "most of" means more than half. The Tories at the last election won the most votes and the most seats. They did not win most of the votes or most of the seats.

Waiting for Mr Clipp to apologise for dropping the word "the" from my post and accusing me falsely of making a mistake when I didn't. Not holding my breath though. It takes a big man to admit when they made a mistake.

I would have more sympathy for this observation were it not from a poster who still obdurately refuses to acknowledge that the claim that Turkey was joining the EU was a xenophobic lie.

The EU lists Turkey under "joining the EU" on their own website. Why is the EU promoting a xenophobic lie? https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en#joining-the-eu

You make out like all that happens to be joining the EU is the date you join but to quote "Becoming a member of the EU is a complex procedure which does not happen overnight."

Turkey is in the middle of the Joining the EU procedure listed there and is listed as nation under it.

It’s going to take a long long time before you get to be a big man.

Jesus.

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1031975400635740160

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1031967643727749120