I think it is fairly clear now that the nation has turned against Brexit. May has a clear opportunity for a BINO fudge. She should grab it with both hands.
Wait, I thought the Leave/Remain split was still about the same?
I’m no believer in polls. They are a very blunt instrument, at best. The mood music is a better indicator. Brexit is no longer popular.
While the absolute number may be inaccurate, the trend is probably good. And the trend has been static.
O/T Just been dipping into the European Championships...
How did Britain become so good at sport? I seem to remember in the 30 or 40 years ago we were always embarrassingly poor compared with (both East & West) Germany; but this time Britain 25 golds, Germany only 12 !?
All thanks to John Major and the National Lottery.
Allowed sport to funded like never before.
Blair deserves an honourable mention, biding and winning the Olympics also helped focus the minds and allow new funding streams.
O/T Just been dipping into the European Championships...
How did Britain become so good at sport? I seem to remember in the 30 or 40 years ago we were always embarrassingly poor compared with (both East & West) Germany; but this time Britain 25 golds, Germany only 12 !?
Lottery money. Just walked the 4x100m in both men and women as well. Good to see. Interesting that Russia won overall though.
I think it is fairly clear now that the nation has turned against Brexit. May has a clear opportunity for a BINO fudge. She should grab it with both hands.
Wait, I thought the Leave/Remain split was still about the same?
I’m no believer in polls. They are a very blunt instrument, at best. The mood music is a better indicator. Brexit is no longer popular.
I’m no massive believer of polls either; but down here in Dorset the mood music is that people want to get on with Brexit.
You see the problem with ‘mood music’?
Mood music is simply an unweighted, heavily biased form of polling.
Trump was moving in that direction of course but it was Bannon who provided the intellectual heft behind the Trump message based on Bannon's economic nationalist beliefs in reducing immigration and restricting free trade with China and Mexico and an opposition to military interventions overseas.
He is a populist nationalist conservative rather than a fiscal conservative, he even supports raising income tax on those with incomes of over $5 million dollars a year. Indeed despite his Harvard MBA and his position as a VP at Goldman Sachs and as an executive producer in Hollywood Bannon despises the California, New York, Ivy League and DC coastal elites all of whom voted heavily for Hillary
In other words Trump won on his own philosophy, not Bannon's.
O/T Just been dipping into the European Championships...
How did Britain become so good at sport? I seem to remember in the 30 or 40 years ago we were always embarrassingly poor compared with (both East & West) Germany; but this time Britain 25 golds, Germany only 12 !?
Politic is a tough business. You've got to have a programme, win people over to it and implement it. If you aren't in that game you are just posturing. Winning a referendum isn't enough. You need to be able to put the plan into action.
I think that is wishful thinking. May and Corbyn are not going to agree a second vote, indeed May would be gone the minute she suggests it.
Trump was moving in that direction of course but it was Bannon who provided the intellectual heft behind the Trump message based on Bannon's economic nationalist beliefs in reducing immigration and restricting free trade with China and Mexico and an opposition to military interventions overseas.
He is a populist nationalist conservative rather than a fiscal conservative, he even supports raising income tax on those with incomes of over $5 million dollars a year. Indeed despite his Harvard MBA and his position as a VP at Goldman Sachs and as an executive producer in Hollywood Bannon despises the California, New York, Ivy League and DC coastal elites all of whom voted heavily for Hillary
In other words Trump won on his own philosophy, not Bannon's.
Bannon had been having regular calls with Trump since 2013! Bannon molded Trump in his own image.
I think it is fairly clear now that the nation has turned against Brexit. May has a clear opportunity for a BINO fudge. She should grab it with both hands.
Wait, I thought the Leave/Remain split was still about the same?
I’m no believer in polls. They are a very blunt instrument, at best. The mood music is a better indicator. Brexit is no longer popular.
While the absolute number may be inaccurate, the trend is probably good. And the trend has been static.
Pre EU referendum the polls tended to be 50-55% Remain, 45-50% Leave.
I think it is fairly clear now that the nation has turned against Brexit. May has a clear opportunity for a BINO fudge. She should grab it with both hands.
O/T Just been dipping into the European Championships...
How did Britain become so good at sport? I seem to remember in the 30 or 40 years ago we were always embarrassingly poor compared with (both East & West) Germany; but this time Britain 25 golds, Germany only 12 !?
I think it is fairly clear now that the nation has turned against Brexit. May has a clear opportunity for a BINO fudge. She should grab it with both hands.
I think it is fairly clear now that the nation has turned against Brexit. May has a clear opportunity for a BINO fudge. She should grab it with both hands.
You're right of course. Good job it's such a safe pair of hands... Oh, sh*t...
Come on now - she is the only grown up and is more than likely to get a deal, probably helped by the EU's fear of Boris
Why are we talking about Boris' intention? His intentions are clear - it's all about him and his career. Anyone who doesn't understand that fact is as thick as shit!
The c*nt knifed his so-called friend David Cameron. He's far from stupid and came to the conclusion that staying in the EU was the most appropriate and logical choice at the referendum but decided to play against that retaliation purely for HIS own political ambitions.
The same viz-a-viz the burka/niqab. It's all about him folks!
Brexit = a calamity Bexiteers = xenophobes / little Englanders / thickos (delete as appropriate).
Why do you continue to demean yourself with your language.
Calling Boris a c*nt is hardly demeaning!
I would agree, but with different reasoning.
While I appreciate that the C word is used as the most offensive form of swearing, I see it as inherently misogynistic to do so. It implies that the sexual organs of women are the most shameful and dirty thing possible. To use such language suggests a deeply held fear of female sexuality. Being a dick or a prick is mild in comparison. I personally think female sexuality should be respected and celebrated so would not use the C word as a term of abuse.
So, while I have a low opinion of Boris, I would prefer other terms to describe him, indeed in the flowery archaic language that Boris favours, I would suggest that he is a cad, blackguard and mounteback.
In Glasgow 'prick' is more derogatory than 'cunt'. In fact the 'c' word is almost neutral, e.g. 'that boy's a good cunt' is quite normal. 'Prick' tends to be vehemently negative. Of course Glasgow has its own fine store of insults from which to draw.
Does anyone agree with me that this years Premiership will be a procession for City with Liverpool coming second but not on the same planet as City
As a Man Utd supporter since 1953 I can only say that City deserve all the praise they are receiving, even after only one round of matches
Many Premier league teams are just not up to the standard and some are going to get hammered. The PL runs the risk of becoming one long predictable bore
I wouldn't be so sure about City winning easily. I certainly wouldn't judge them too much on what they did today.
That is the worst Arsenal performance at the Emirates. By a mile. It's early days, but Emery needs to figure out what he wants the players to do because today I didn't have a clue what the tactics were.
I didn't see the Liverpool game but I reckon they could give City a run for their money. But they absolutely have to be in touch with City come their first meeting in October.
I think it is fairly clear now that the nation has turned against Brexit. May has a clear opportunity for a BINO fudge. She should grab it with both hands.
You're right of course. Good job it's such a safe pair of hands... Oh, sh*t...
Come on now - she is the only grown up and is more than likely to get a deal, probably helped by the EU's fear of Boris
O/T Just been dipping into the European Championships...
How did Britain become so good at sport? I seem to remember in the 30 or 40 years ago we were always embarrassingly poor compared with (both East & West) Germany; but this time Britain 25 golds, Germany only 12 !?
Getting prepared for Brexit !!!!!
I think you'll find our improvement has been during our EU membership
I think it is fairly clear now that the nation has turned against Brexit. May has a clear opportunity for a BINO fudge. She should grab it with both hands.
Does anyone agree with me that this years Premiership will be a procession for City with Liverpool coming second but not on the same planet as City
As a Man Utd supporter since 1953 I can only say that City deserve all the praise they are receiving, even after only one round of matches
Many Premier league teams are just not up to the standard and some are going to get hammered. The PL runs the risk of becoming one long predictable bore
Yes, everyone agrees with you. Nip down to your local betting shop and look at the odds.
Man City 8/13 Liverpool 7/2 Man Utd 12 Chelsea 14 Spurs 16 Arsenal 33
Trump was moving in that direction of course but it was Bannon who provided the intellectual heft behind the Trump message based on Bannon's economic nationalist beliefs in reducing immigration and restricting free trade with China and Mexico and an opposition to military interventions overseas.
He is a populist nationalist conservative rather than a fiscal conservative, he even supports raising income tax on those with incomes of over $5 million dollars a year. Indeed despite his Harvard MBA and his position as a VP at Goldman Sachs and as an executive producer in Hollywood Bannon despises the California, New York, Ivy League and DC coastal elites all of whom voted heavily for Hillary
In other words Trump won on his own philosophy, not Bannon's.
20 years ago Trump was a Clinton Democrat
His political philosophy has been very consistent.
Does anyone agree with me that this years Premiership will be a procession for City with Liverpool coming second but not on the same planet as City
As a Man Utd supporter since 1953 I can only say that City deserve all the praise they are receiving, even after only one round of matches
Many Premier league teams are just not up to the standard and some are going to get hammered. The PL runs the risk of becoming one long predictable bore
I wouldn't be so sure about City winning easily. I certainly wouldn't judge them too much on what they did today.
That is the worst Arsenal performance at the Emirates. By a mile. It's early days, but Emery needs to figure out what he wants the players to do because today I didn't have a clue what the tactics were.
I didn't see the Liverpool game but I reckon they could give City a run for their money. But they absolutely have to be in touch with City come their first meeting in October.
We were fab against West Ham who liked they had never met each other nor were they aware of the dangers of a playing a high line against Liverpool.
My own view is that we massively underpaid for Keita.
Woods could be just one back in the PGA soon. Off to watch it on the bloody laptop - farcical that we can’t watch it on telly.
I find it amazing that it is not on Sky
They're more interested in pissing our money up the wall on studio graphics that makes it look like they're not at the ground when, in fact, they are.
We were visiting family in Scotland during the open and had to invite ourselves round on the Sunday to see the final round live on Sky, not that it was difficult as they held a BBQ for us
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
Getting away with it? Perhaps you’ve not read a newspaper this week...
Woods could be just one back in the PGA soon. Off to watch it on the bloody laptop - farcical that we can’t watch it on telly.
I find it amazing that it is not on Sky
They're more interested in pissing our money up the wall on studio graphics that makes it look like they're not at the ground when, in fact, they are.
We were visiting family in Scotland during the open and had to invite ourselves round on the Sunday to see the final round live on Sky, not that it was difficult as they held a BBQ for us
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
Does anyone agree with me that this years Premiership will be a procession for City with Liverpool coming second but not on the same planet as City
As a Man Utd supporter since 1953 I can only say that City deserve all the praise they are receiving, even after only one round of matches
Many Premier league teams are just not up to the standard and some are going to get hammered. The PL runs the risk of becoming one long predictable bore
I wouldn't be so sure about City winning easily. I certainly wouldn't judge them too much on what they did today.
That is the worst Arsenal performance at the Emirates. By a mile. It's early days, but Emery needs to figure out what he wants the players to do because today I didn't have a clue what the tactics were.
I didn't see the Liverpool game but I reckon they could give City a run for their money. But they absolutely have to be in touch with City come their first meeting in October.
We were fab against West Ham who liked they had never met each other nor were they aware of the dangers of a playing a high line against Liverpool.
My own view is that we massively underpaid for Keita.
I haven't seen much o Keita; all I remember about him is that he had a bit of a disciplinary issue at one time.
What's going to mix things up is the Champions League. The competition should be a bit stiffer in the group stage and Liverpool could find themselves in Pot 3 and potentially a really nasty group.
Woods could be just one back in the PGA soon. Off to watch it on the bloody laptop - farcical that we can’t watch it on telly.
I find it amazing that it is not on Sky
They're more interested in pissing our money up the wall on studio graphics that makes it look like they're not at the ground when, in fact, they are.
We were visiting family in Scotland during the open and had to invite ourselves round on the Sunday to see the final round live on Sky, not that it was difficult as they held a BBQ for us
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
I have witnessed a few weeks after Brexit a woman spitting at an Irish man and throwing a glass bottle at him due to nationalistic rhetoric, she said she thought Brexit meant people like him should have gone!
Does anyone agree with me that this years Premiership will be a procession for City with Liverpool coming second but not on the same planet as City
As a Man Utd supporter since 1953 I can only say that City deserve all the praise they are receiving, even after only one round of matches
Many Premier league teams are just not up to the standard and some are going to get hammered. The PL runs the risk of becoming one long predictable bore
I wouldn't be so sure about City winning easily. I certainly wouldn't judge them too much on what they did today.
That is the worst Arsenal performance at the Emirates. By a mile. It's early days, but Emery needs to figure out what he wants the players to do because today I didn't have a clue what the tactics were.
I didn't see the Liverpool game but I reckon they could give City a run for their money. But they absolutely have to be in touch with City come their first meeting in October.
We were fab against West Ham who liked they had never met each other nor were they aware of the dangers of a playing a high line against Liverpool.
My own view is that we massively underpaid for Keita.
Was watching that in the car on the way back, completely insane decision to play a high line against that attack. Surely sit deep and go for counter attacks. It's the only way to play against Liverpool.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
I have witnessed a few weeks after Brexit a woman spitting at an Irish man and throwing a glass bottle at him due to nationalistic rhetoric, she said she thought Brexit meant people like him should have gone!
As I said his words were clumsy and it is very regretable if women are attacked
However, it is unlikely anything further will happen to him as the Met have said he has no case to answer
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
I have witnessed a few weeks after Brexit a woman spitting at an Irish man and throwing a glass bottle at him due to nationalistic rhetoric, she said she thought Brexit meant people like him should have gone!
What ethic group has he incited hatred against? I read that of Muslims in the UK only 0.1% wear the Burka/Niqab. Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
Does anyone agree with me that this years Premiership will be a procession for City with Liverpool coming second but not on the same planet as City
As a Man Utd supporter since 1953 I can only say that City deserve all the praise they are receiving, even after only one round of matches
Many Premier league teams are just not up to the standard and some are going to get hammered. The PL runs the risk of becoming one long predictable bore
I wouldn't be so sure about City winning easily. I certainly wouldn't judge them too much on what they did today.
That is the worst Arsenal performance at the Emirates. By a mile. It's early days, but Emery needs to figure out what he wants the players to do because today I didn't have a clue what the tactics were.
I didn't see the Liverpool game but I reckon they could give City a run for their money. But they absolutely have to be in touch with City come their first meeting in October.
It does look like Liverpool vs Man City to me for the title, but holding onto the Championahip while competing in the CL is a tough prospect.
I was quite heartened by my own teams performance at Old Trafford. A little short of cutting edge until Vardy came on, and fragile defensively until our new unpronounceable Centrebacks start, but nonetheless dominated the possession for much of the game.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
I have witnessed a few weeks after Brexit a woman spitting at an Irish man and throwing a glass bottle at him due to nationalistic rhetoric, she said she thought Brexit meant people like him should have gone!
What ethic group has he incited hatred against? I read that of Muslims in the UK only 0.1% wear the Burka/Niqab. Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
So it's ok to discriminate against a minority, if it's a small enough one? And discrimination in itself is not bad, only discrimination against ethnic groups? And it is beyond your wit to see that muslim immigrants into this country tend to belong to one of a short listof ethnic groups?
Does anyone agree with me that this years Premiership will be a procession for City with Liverpool coming second but not on the same planet as City
As a Man Utd supporter since 1953 I can only say that City deserve all the praise they are receiving, even after only one round of matches
Many Premier league teams are just not up to the standard and some are going to get hammered. The PL runs the risk of becoming one long predictable bore
I wouldn't be so sure about City winning easily. I certainly wouldn't judge them too much on what they did today.
That is the worst Arsenal performance at the Emirates. By a mile. It's early days, but Emery needs to figure out what he wants the players to do because today I didn't have a clue what the tactics were.
I didn't see the Liverpool game but I reckon they could give City a run for their money. But they absolutely have to be in touch with City come their first meeting in October.
It does look like Liverpool vs Man City to me for the title, but holding onto the Championahip while competing in the CL is a tough prospect.
I was quite heartened by my own teams performance at Old Trafford. A little short of cutting edge until Vardy came on, and fragile defensively until our new unpronounceable Centrebacks start, but nonetheless dominated the possession for much of the game.
And yet the press reckon Puel is on thin ice. Weird.
Does anyone agree with me that this years Premiership will be a procession for City with Liverpool coming second but not on the same planet as City
As a Man Utd supporter since 1953 I can only say that City deserve all the praise they are receiving, even after only one round of matches
Many Premier league teams are just not up to the standard and some are going to get hammered. The PL runs the risk of becoming one long predictable bore
I wouldn't be so sure about City winning easily. I certainly wouldn't judge them too much on what they did today.
That is the worst Arsenal performance at the Emirates. By a mile. It's early days, but Emery needs to figure out what he wants the players to do because today I didn't have a clue what the tactics were.
I didn't see the Liverpool game but I reckon they could give City a run for their money. But they absolutely have to be in touch with City come their first meeting in October.
We were fab against West Ham who liked they had never met each other nor were they aware of the dangers of a playing a high line against Liverpool.
My own view is that we massively underpaid for Keita.
West Ham bottom of the table already - not a good look
Any one looking forward to the new BBC six part drama about a ruthlessly ambitious female Home Secretary who will do anything to get the top job. It stars Keeley Hawes as Theresa May - sorry Julia Montague - and Richard Madden as her bodyguard
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
I have witnessed a few weeks after Brexit a woman spitting at an Irish man and throwing a glass bottle at him due to nationalistic rhetoric, she said she thought Brexit meant people like him should have gone!
What ethic group has he incited hatred against? I read that of Muslims in the UK only 0.1% wear the Burka/Niqab. Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
So it's ok to discriminate against a minority, if it's a small enough one? And discrimination in itself is not bad, only discrimination against ethnic groups? And it is beyond your wit to see that muslim immigrants into this country tend to belong to one of a short listof ethnic groups?
What a preposterously silly post.
I've never seen Yasmin Alibhai-Brown wear burqa, or Saira Khan, or Samira Ahmed, or Tulip Siddiqui, or Baroness Warsi, or Rushanara Ali. Need I go on?
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
I have witnessed a few weeks after Brexit a woman spitting at an Irish man and throwing a glass bottle at him due to nationalistic rhetoric, she said she thought Brexit meant people like him should have gone!
What ethic group has he incited hatred against? I read that of Muslims in the UK only 0.1% wear the Burka/Niqab. Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
So it's ok to discriminate against a minority, if it's a small enough one? And discrimination in itself is not bad, only discrimination against ethnic groups? And it is beyond your wit to see that muslim immigrants into this country tend to belong to one of a short listof ethnic groups?
What a preposterously silly post.
I will repeat the point what "ethnic" group do Burka wearers belong to. It is a fashion choice, just like some women like to wear mini-skirts, some men like to wear pointy shoes. Some Muslim immigrants have no hair covering, some head coverings partial or full. It is like saying the BBC is inciting a hate crime for depicting poor people in the UK wearing shells suits, or sports wear.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
I have witnessed a few weeks after Brexit a woman spitting at an Irish man and throwing a glass bottle at him due to nationalistic rhetoric, she said she thought Brexit meant people like him should have gone!
As I said his words were clumsy and it is very regretable if women are attacked
However, it is unlikely anything further will happen to him as the Met have said he has no case to answer
I would not say they were clumsy but deliberate!
Don't be fobbed off by the popular appeal angle. This man could be PM in weeks, his judgement is terrible and if white folk incite hatred against a section of society do not be surprised if we have another Manchester type attack because of it. The two play off each other. Believe me I am not a bleeding heart liberal but it is not sensible to push people into a corner through ostracization for a marginal political gain. Johnson does these things for political gain, often he rides two opposing issues at the same time. He is so full of contradictions it makes me wonder what the true Boris Johnson is like. I see people taken in by them, they have this stupid expression on their face where they are impressed by him. It is like a trance. Cannot people see right through him? He is just like Gordon Brown in 2007 getting adulation for little political effort and he is just as Clueless as Brown should he get power.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
I have witnessed a few weeks after Brexit a woman spitting at an Irish man and throwing a glass bottle at him due to nationalistic rhetoric, she said she thought Brexit meant people like him should have gone!
As I said his words were clumsy and it is very regretable if women are attacked
However, it is unlikely anything further will happen to him as the Met have said he has no case to answer
I would not say they were clumsy but deliberate!
Don't be fobbed off by the popular appeal angle. This man could be PM in weeks, his judgement is terrible and if white folk incite hatred against a section of society do not be surprised if we have another Manchester type attack because of it. The two play off each other. Believe me I am not a bleeding heart liberal but it is not sensible to push people into a corner through ostracization for a marginal political gain. Johnson does these things for political gain, often he rides two opposing issues at the same time. He is so full of contradictions it makes me wonder what the true Boris Johnson is like. I see people taken in by them, they have this stupid expression on their face where they are impressed by him. It is like a trance. Cannot people see right through him? He is just like Gordon Brown in 2007 getting adulation for little political effort and he is just as Clueless as Brown should he get power.
So Boris’ comments could be used for justification for another terrorist bombing? Those lunatics need no such reason.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
I have witnessed a few weeks after Brexit a woman spitting at an Irish man and throwing a glass bottle at him due to nationalistic rhetoric, she said she thought Brexit meant people like him should have gone!
What ethic group has he incited hatred against? I read that of Muslims in the UK only 0.1% wear the Burka/Niqab. Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
We hear a lot about the rights of Muslim women to 'choose' to wear the Burqa - in reality the Niqab in the UK which exposes the eyes - - but very little about the rights of women who are forced to wear it by their husbands and fathers and brothers by direct and indirect pressure. I expect few of them have a voice. Or is it only white middle class women who are victims of the patriarchy and me too?
I almost never saw women wearing niqabs in east London - which has a relatively large Muslim population - until the last year or two and now it's a regular and often multiple times a day occurrence. The numbers are increasing and that percentage share you quote (assuming there is any data behind it) is only likely to rise.
For many the debate is a theoretical concept as they rarely come across it in their white middle class liberal suburbs and shires - but who speaks up for the women in the UK and elsewhere for whom is not a choice.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I don’t believe it was in the slightest bit clumsy. I think it very carefully calibrated to give offence, and appeal to islamophobes, while retaining a shred of defensibility.
That he’d recently consulted with Bannon tends to support that belief.
Does anyone agree with me that this years Premiership will be a procession for City with Liverpool coming second but not on the same planet as City
As a Man Utd supporter since 1953 I can only say that City deserve all the praise they are receiving, even after only one round of matches
Many Premier league teams are just not up to the standard and some are going to get hammered. The PL runs the risk of becoming one long predictable bore
I wouldn't be so sure about City winning easily. I certainly wouldn't judge them too much on what they did today.
That is the worst Arsenal performance at the Emirates. By a mile. It's early days, but Emery needs to figure out what he wants the players to do because today I didn't have a clue what the tactics were.
I didn't see the Liverpool game but I reckon they could give City a run for their money. But they absolutely have to be in touch with City come their first meeting in October.
It does look like Liverpool vs Man City to me for the title, but holding onto the Championahip while competing in the CL is a tough prospect.
I was quite heartened by my own teams performance at Old Trafford. A little short of cutting edge until Vardy came on, and fragile defensively until our new unpronounceable Centrebacks start, but nonetheless dominated the possession for much of the game.
And yet the press reckon Puel is on thin ice. Weird.
Certainly the fans were against him by April, but seem now to have got behind him.
Our Thai owners are increasingly astute, and if they wanted to sack Puel would have done so before the summer. Instead they backed him and so far his new signings look very good indeed, particularly Maddison. Ndidi just gets better and keeping Maguire was the correct decision. We may be a little light up front but top 10 will see him safe, though the owners want to be back in Europe.
The owners are pretty intolerant of a manager who drops into the the relegation zone, but I think that his 4231 system is looking better after Puel has had a proper pre season.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
What ethic group has he incited hatred against? I read that of Muslims in the UK only 0.1% wear the Burka/Niqab. Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
So it's ok to discriminate against a minority, if it's a small enough one? And discrimination in itself is not bad, only discrimination against ethnic groups? And it is beyond your wit to see that muslim immigrants into this country tend to belong to one of a short listof ethnic groups?
What a preposterously silly post.
Wearing shell suits is not a criminal offence (Although some might claim it should be!). Robbing a bank is a criminal offence.
Don't be pedantic about ethnic groups, it shows how valid the argument that he was inciting hatred that you skate on a pin. Indeed, I would go further still in that he was using the head dress as a veiled attack on all Muslims as guess what head dress most people associate most commonly with Muslims (Despite it being a small number actively wearing them). The only white woman I can think of who wears head gear in the UK is Lauren Booth who converted to the Muslim faith IIRC.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I don’t believe it was in the slightest bit clumsy. I think it very carefully calibrated to give offence, and appeal to islamophobes, while retaining a shred of defensibility.
That he’d recently consulted with Bannon tends to support that belief.
I just do not see any connection with Bannon other than some who are trying to make out he is supporting the alt right
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
What ethic group has he incited hatred against? I read that of Muslims in the UK only 0.1% wear the Burka/Niqab. Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
So it's ok to discriminate against a minority, if it's a small enough one? And discrimination in itself is not bad, only discrimination against ethnic groups? And it is beyond your wit to see that muslim immigrants into this country tend to belong to one of a short listof ethnic groups?
What a preposterously silly post.
Wearing shell suits is not a criminal offence (Although some might claim it should be!). Robbing a bank is a criminal offence.
Don't be pedantic about ethnic groups, it shows how valid the argument that he was inciting hatred that you skate on a pin. Indeed, I would go further still in that he was using the head dress as a veiled attack on all Muslims as guess what head dress most people associate most commonly with Muslims (Despite it being a small number actively wearing them). The only white woman I can think of who wears head gear in the UK is Lauren Booth who converted to the Muslim faith IIRC.
I've never seen Yasmin Alibhai-Brown wear burqa, or Saira Khan, or Samira Ahmed, or Tulip Siddiqui, or Baroness Warsi, or Rushanara Ali. Need I go on?
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I don’t believe it was in the slightest bit clumsy. I think it very carefully calibrated to give offence, and appeal to islamophobes, while retaining a shred of defensibility.
That he’d recently consulted with Bannon tends to support that belief.
I just do not see any connection with Bannon other than some who are trying to make out he is supporting the alt right
I think the truth is more than Bannon is trying to present himself an an omnipotent Svengali and is latching onto anyone who looks popular. Unfortunately the media buy into it.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
What ethic group has he incited hatred against? I read that of Muslims in the UK only 0.1% wear the Burka/Niqab. Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
So it's ok to discriminate against a minority, if it's a small enough one? And discrimination in itself is not bad, only discrimination against ethnic groups? And it is beyond your wit to see that muslim immigrants into this country tend to belong to one of a short listof ethnic groups?
What a preposterously silly post.
Wearing shell suits is not a criminal offence (Although some might claim it should be!). Robbing a bank is a criminal offence.
Don't be pedantic about ethnic groups, it shows how valid the argument that he was inciting hatred that you skate on a pin. Indeed, I would go further still in that he was using the head dress as a veiled attack on all Muslims as guess what head dress most people associate most commonly with Muslims (Despite it being a small number actively wearing them). The only white woman I can think of who wears head gear in the UK is Lauren Booth who converted to the Muslim faith IIRC.
I think to be classified as inciting hatred he would have needed to say something along the line of "All burka wearers are bank robbers."
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
As I said his words were clumsy and it is very regretable if women are attacked
I would not say they were clumsy but deliberate!
Don't be fobbed off by the popular appeal angle. This man could be PM in weeks, his judgement is terrible and if white folk incite hatred against a section of society do not be surprised if we have another Manchester type attack because of it. The two play off each other. Believe me I am not a bleeding heart liberal but it is not sensible to push people into a corner through ostracization for a marginal political gain. Johnson does these things for political gain, often he rides two opposing issues at the same time. He is so full of contradictions it makes me wonder what the true Boris Johnson is like. I see people taken in by them, they have this stupid expression on their face where they are impressed by him. It is like a trance. Cannot people see right through him? He is just like Gordon Brown in 2007 getting adulation for little political effort and he is just as Clueless as Brown should he get power.
So Boris’ comments could be used for justification for another terrorist bombing? Those lunatics need no such reason.
True, but there is no good to be had in giving them an excuse for an attack. If a sub section of society feels oppressed by a larger group of individuals bad things happen, just look what happened in Northern Ireland. Catholics felt oppressed by the protestants and it led to violence.
What utility other than political expediency for Boris is there in marginalising them?
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
As I said his words were clumsy and it is very regretable if women are attacked
I would not say they were clumsy but deliberate!
Cannot people see right through him? He is just like Gordon Brown in 2007 getting adulation for little political effort and he is just as Clueless as Brown should he get power.
So Boris’ comments could be used for justification for another terrorist bombing? Those lunatics need no such reason.
True, but there is no good to be had in giving them an excuse for an attack. If a sub section of society feels oppressed by a larger group of individuals bad things happen, just look what happened in Northern Ireland. Catholics felt oppressed by the protestants and it led to violence.
What utility other than political expediency for Boris is there in marginalising them?
People need to wake up about this.
In Western Europe where we have questioned, ridiculed and come to an arrangement with religion, it is unacceptable that you can not cartoon or mock a religion because the guys with AK47's will turn up.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
What ethic group has he incited hatred against? I read that of Muslims in the UK only 0.1% wear the Burka/Niqab. Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
So it's ok to discriminate against a minority, if it's a small enough one? And discrimination in itself is not bad, only discrimination against ethnic groups? And it is beyond your wit to see that muslim immigrants into this country tend to belong to one of a short listof ethnic groups?
What a preposterously silly post.
Wearing shell suits is not a criminal offence (Although some might claim it should be!). Robbing a bank is a criminal offence.
Don't be pedantic about ethnic groups, it shows how valid the argument that he was inciting hatred that you skate on a pin. Indeed, I would go further still in that he was using the head dress as a veiled attack on all Muslims as guess what head dress most people associate most commonly with Muslims (Despite it being a small number actively wearing them). The only white woman I can think of who wears head gear in the UK is Lauren Booth who converted to the Muslim faith IIRC.
I've never seen Yasmin Alibhai-Brown wear burqa, or Saira Khan, or Samira Ahmed, or Tulip Siddiqui, or Baroness Warsi, or Rushanara Ali. Need I go on?
I never said they did.
Don't be taken in by Johnson. It's easy to believe "He didn't mean it" and think he has altruistic motives. But he does mean it and more people than the intended target get sucked into the negative fallout. I should not care I am from a white background but what if other sections of society are targeted in this way.
Boris is playing a whistle and it is not a nice tune!
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
What ethic group has he incited hatred against? I read that of Muslims in the UK only 0.1% wear the Burka/Niqab. Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
So it's ok to discriminate against a minority, if it's a small enough one? And discrimination in itself is not bad, only discrimination against ethnic groups? And it is beyond your wit to see that muslim immigrants into this country tend to belong to one of a short listof ethnic groups?
What a preposterously silly post.
Wearing shell suits is not a criminal offence (Although some might claim it should be!). Robbing a bank is a criminal offence.
Don't be pedantic about ethnic groups, it shows how valid the argument that he was inciting hatred that you skate on a pin. Indeed, I would go further still in that he was using the head dress as a veiled attack on all Muslims as guess what head dress most people associate most commonly with Muslims (Despite it being a small number actively wearing them). The only white woman I can think of who wears head gear in the UK is Lauren Booth who converted to the Muslim faith IIRC.
I've never seen Yasmin Alibhai-Brown wear burqa, or Saira Khan, or Samira Ahmed, or Tulip Siddiqui, or Baroness Warsi, or Rushanara Ali. Need I go on?
I never said they did.
Don't be taken in by Johnson. It's easy to believe "He didn't mean it" and think he has altruistic motives. But he does mean it and more people than the intended target get sucked into the negative fallout. I should not care I am from a white background but what if other sections of society are targeted in this way.
Boris is playing a whistle and it is not a nice tune!
Well, Taxman, I'm a tad "different" or "browner" than you, and I sympathise with Boris. So too, anecdotally, does my mum. This has nothing to do with race.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. I don't have a problem with Letter Boxes jibe but Johnson in saying that Women wearing a particular type of headdress look like Bank Robbers is inciting hatred of an ethnic minority! I think only the Great Train Robbers have been perceived (Wrongly as a man was murdered) in a positive light. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He has raised an issue but in a clumsy manner. 60% support him with 26% against
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
I met some people this afternoon who agreed with Johnson, I am not saying it has not got popular appeal.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
I have witnessed a few weeks after Brexit a woman spitting at an Irish man and throwing a glass bottle at him due to nationalistic rhetoric, she said she thought Brexit meant people like him should have gone!
What ethic group has he incited hatred against? I read that of Muslims in the UK only 0.1% wear the Burka/Niqab. Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
So it's ok to discriminate against a minority, if it's a small enough one? And discrimination in itself is not bad, only discrimination against ethnic groups? And it is beyond your wit to see that muslim immigrants into this country tend to belong to one of a short listof ethnic groups?
What a preposterously silly post.
I've never seen Yasmin Alibhai-Brown wear burqa, or Saira Khan, or Samira Ahmed, or Tulip Siddiqui, or Baroness Warsi, or Rushanara Ali. Need I go on?
As I said his words were clumsy and it is very regretable if women are attacked
I would not say they were clumsy but deliberate!
Cannot people see right through him? He is just like Gordon Brown in 2007 getting adulation for little political effort and he is just as Clueless as Brown should he get power.
So Boris’ comments could be used for justification for another terrorist bombing? Those lunatics need no such reason.
True, but there is no good to be had in giving them an excuse for an attack. If a sub section of society feels oppressed by a larger group of individuals bad things happen, just look what happened in Northern Ireland. Catholics felt oppressed by the protestants and it led to violence.
What utility other than political expediency for Boris is there in marginalising them?
People need to wake up about this.
In Western Europe where we have questioned, ridiculed and come to an arrangement with religion, it is unacceptable that you can not cartoon or mock a religion because the guys with AK47's will turn up.
The letterbox jibe is acceptable IMO, some people might find it funny. What on the other hand is funny about linking something to bank robbers? It is not about humour but has something more sinister in its utilisation. Some things are acceptable and some are not, Ken Livingstone said Hitler was a Zionist. He was forced out in the end due to this comment. Boris Johnson equated wearing a Burka/ Hijab to being a bank robber.
I think Johnson should be punished for this in a harsh way. He wrote it under free will and the DT published it. I might also point out he breached the ministerial code in taking that job on as well. Johnson is just a charlatan, we don't want a puppet mini Trump as PM.
As I said his words were clumsy and it is very regretable if women are attacked
I would not say they were clumsy but deliberate!
Cannot people see right through him? He is just like Gordon Brown in 2007 getting adulation for little political effort and he is just as Clueless as Brown should he get power.
So Boris’ comments could be used for justification for another terrorist bombing? Those lunatics need no such reason.
True, but there is no good to be had in giving them an excuse for an attack. If a sub section of society feels oppressed by a larger group of individuals bad things happen, just look what happened in Northern Ireland. Catholics felt oppressed by the protestants and it led to violence.
What utility other than political expediency for Boris is there in marginalising them?
People need to wake up about this.
In Western Europe where we have questioned, ridiculed and come to an arrangement with religion, it is unacceptable that you can not cartoon or mock a religion because the guys with AK47's will turn up.
The letterbox jibe is acceptable IMO, some people might find it funny. What on the other hand is funny about linking something to bank robbers? It is not about humour but has something more sinister in its utilisation. Some things are acceptable and some are not, Ken Livingstone said Hitler was a Zionist. He was forced out in the end due to this comment. Boris Johnson equated wearing a Burka/ Hijab to being a bank robber.
I think Johnson should be punished for this in a harsh way. He wrote it under free will and the DT published it. I might also point out he breached the ministerial code in taking that job on as well. Johnson is just a charlatan, we don't want a puppet mini Trump as PM.
I agree with you halfway so to speak. Boris Johnson was boorish and nasty, I just do not agree that he was inciting hate.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
So it's ok to discriminate against a minority, if it's a small enough one? And discrimination in itself is not bad, only discrimination against ethnic groups? And it is beyond your wit to see that muslim immigrants into this country tend to belong to one of a short listof ethnic groups?
What a preposterously silly post.
Wearing shell suits is not a criminal offence (Although some might claim it should be!). Robbing a bank is a criminal offence.
Don't be pedantic about ethnic groups, it shows how valid the argument that he was inciting hatred that you skate on a pin. Indeed,
I've never seen Yasmin Alibhai-Brown wear burqa, or Saira Khan, or Samira Ahmed, or Tulip Siddiqui, or Baroness Warsi, or Rushanara Ali. Need I go on?
I never said they did.
Don't be taken in by Johnson. It's easy to believe "He didn't mean it" and think he has altruistic motives. But he does mean it and more people than the intended target get sucked into the negative fallout. I should not care I am from a white background but what if other sections of society are targeted in this way.
Boris is playing a whistle and it is not a nice tune!
Well, Taxman, I'm a tad "different" or "browner" than you, and I sympathise with Boris. So too, anecdotally, does my mum. This has nothing to do with race.
It may not be anything to do with race with you but it does to people who are white folk. This is classic Johnson, he appeals to one group whilst he is trying to appeal to another in contradiction to the first group. All I will say is this has echoes of Hispanics voting for Trump in the US and they are left wondering why he does things they do not like. Some might say useful idiots but I am to polite to expand upon that.
In relation to the thread article done by TSE. I find it amazing that Johnson seems to be getting away with saying that an ethnic minority looks like Bank Robbers. So what was Boris Johnson doing if he was not inciting hatred of an ethnic minority in linking Bank robbers with Muslim women?
Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
So it's ok to discriminate against a minority, if it's a small enough one? And discrimination in itself is not bad, only discrimination against ethnic groups? And it is beyond your wit to see that muslim immigrants into this country tend to belong to one of a short listof ethnic groups?
What a preposterously silly post.
Wearing shell suits is not a criminal offence (Although some might claim it should be!). Robbing a bank is a criminal offence.
Don't be pedantic about ethnic groups, it shows how valid the argument that he was inciting hatred that you skate on a pin. Indeed,
I've never seen Yasmin Alibhai-Brown wear burqa, or Saira Khan, or Samira Ahmed, or Tulip Siddiqui, or Baroness Warsi, or Rushanara Ali. Need I go on?
I never said they did.
Don't be taken in by Johnson. It's easy to believe "He didn't mean it" and think he has altruistic motives. But he does mean it and more people than the intended target get sucked into the negative fallout. I should not care I am from a white background but what if other sections of society are targeted in this way.
Boris is playing a whistle and it is not a nice tune!
Well, Taxman, I'm a tad "different" or "browner" than you, and I sympathise with Boris. So too, anecdotally, does my mum. This has nothing to do with race.
It may not be anything to do with race with you but it does to people who are white folk. This is classic Johnson, he appeals to one group whilst he is trying to appeal to another in contradiction to the first group. All I will say is this has echoes of Hispanics voting for Trump in the US and they are left wondering why he does things they do not like. Some might say useful idiots but I am to polite to expand upon that.
The Hispanics who vote for Trump are there legally and are US citizens. Perhaps that might explain why - after all they did it the legal way.
Well, Taxman, I'm a tad "different" or "browner" than you, and I sympathise with Boris. So too, anecdotally, does my mum. This has nothing to do with race.
If you read the whole article it was just a blatant attempt to smear Millibars when clearly the fault over Syria lies firmly at the door of the then prime minister. The affair weakened Cameron badly.
I don’t think this is really about Corbyn’s camp panicking about Boris as a potential threat. Corbynistas generally complain about the media (on this, I think Owen Jones has point as well). Boris has also been criticised by many who aren’t Corbynistas this week, so criticism of him isn’t really a Corbynista thing.
If Corbynistas are panicking about anyone, it’s their internal rivals within the Labour Party, that’s where they have the breakdown - when anyone questions Corbyn at all.
Perhaps May could say she's recognised where Boris's true talents lie and make him party chairman.
Chapeau sir! You got us back on topic.
Suspect he would say no. Feels like he strikes this autumn or never. Has he learnt the David Milliband lesson?
Suspect Mr Glenn's comment was tongue-in-cheek. But Brandon Lewis himself has a cheek, demanding an apology while disingenuously exculpating himself from the "pairing mistake".
I don’t agree with that at all. Why is it hubris that Ed Miliband believed in himself but not David or Ed Balls, or Burnham? There’s no guarantee that David Miliband would have won against David Cameron, especially since the anecdotes posted about him by various journalists et al on twitter suggests someone with very bad people skills. He was hardly that charismatic, either.
It’s amazing how moderates will blame everyone but themselves for nominating Corbyn.
Consequences would be that Andy Burnham would be leader of the Labour Party and the piles of rubble in Syria would be a few inches higher. Doesn’t sound that much better than what we have got to be honest?
I don’t think this is really about Corbyn’s camp panicking about Boris as a potential threat. Corbynistas generally complain about the media (on this, I think Owen Jones has point as well). Boris has also been criticised by many who aren’t Corbynistas this week, so criticism of him isn’t really a Corbynista thing.
If Corbynistas are panicking about anyone, it’s their internal rivals within the Labour Party, that’s where they have the breakdown - when anyone questions Corbyn at all.
They may be dealing with two threats then, Boris and a break-away party.
Stephen Bush writes that it was touch and go with Hodge. If she had been disciplined, then several MPs would have walked.
If you read the whole article it was just a blatant attempt to smear Millibars when clearly the fault over Syria lies firmly at the door of the then prime minister. The affair weakened Cameron badly.
It's incredible that anyone still wishes we were involved in Syria.
I don’t think this is really about Corbyn’s camp panicking about Boris as a potential threat. Corbynistas generally complain about the media (on this, I think Owen Jones has point as well). Boris has also been criticised by many who aren’t Corbynistas this week, so criticism of him isn’t really a Corbynista thing.
If Corbynistas are panicking about anyone, it’s their internal rivals within the Labour Party, that’s where they have the breakdown - when anyone questions Corbyn at all.
They may be dealing with two threats then, Boris and a break-away party.
Stephen Bush writes that it was touch and go with Hodge. If she had been disciplined, then several MPs would have walked.
I don’t think they see Boris as that much of threat, and I can’t blame them. Given how many L’s Corbyn has been taking as far as terrible headlines go, the fact that Boris in that Times poll couldn’t improve that much on the Con VI with his name recognition (hypothetical scenario in which he is leader) is unbelievable.
As for a breakaway party, while I get the sense that some Corbynistas want to have their cake and eat it (criticise moderates loads but not want them to leave) others I think are more than happy to purge ‘Blairites’ out of the Party. Bush IIRC had mentioned prior to this week that 12-15 MPs were thinking of walking, I’m not to surprised at that figure. He’s a much more reliable source on this than Hodges.
Consequences would be that Andy Burnham would be leader of the Labour Party and the piles of rubble in Syria would be a few inches higher. Doesn’t sound that much better than what we have got to be honest?
Burnham would have been running a Government in waiting. Not this shower of cult nutjobs who spend most of their time saying close the BBC because it doesn't run 24/7 Jezza fawning operation and it's best interviewer sometimes sits next a Tory at dinner.
I don’t agree with that at all. Why is it hubris that Ed Miliband believed in himself but not David or Ed Balls, or Burnham? There’s no guarantee that David Miliband would have won against David Cameron, especially since the anecdotes posted about him by various journalists et al on twitter suggests someone with very bad people skills. He was hardly that charismatic, either.
It’s amazing how moderates will blame everyone but themselves for nominating Corbyn.
Cameron would have beaten David Miliband, whether May would have beaten Andy Burnham is more debateable
I don’t think this is really about Corbyn’s camp panicking about Boris as a potential threat. Corbynistas generally complain about the media (on this, I think Owen Jones has point as well). Boris has also been criticised by many who aren’t Corbynistas this week, so criticism of him isn’t really a Corbynista thing.
If Corbynistas are panicking about anyone, it’s their internal rivals within the Labour Party, that’s where they have the breakdown - when anyone questions Corbyn at all.
They may be dealing with two threats then, Boris and a break-away party.
Stephen Bush writes that it was touch and go with Hodge. If she had been disciplined, then several MPs would have walked.
The interesting thing is the MPs quoted as being possible defectors actively do not want to win the next general election and Corbyn to become PM, they were praying for Corbyn to lose heavily to May in 2017 so centrists could pick up the pieces of a shattered party.
After the electorate refused to do their dirty work for them they are in despair led by a man none of them in their gut truly believe in.
I don’t think this is really about Corbyn’s camp panicking about Boris as a potential threat. Corbynistas generally complain about the media (on this, I think Owen Jones has point as well). Boris has also been criticised by many who aren’t Corbynistas this week, so criticism of him isn’t really a Corbynista thing.
If Corbynistas are panicking about anyone, it’s their internal rivals within the Labour Party, that’s where they have the breakdown - when anyone questions Corbyn at all.
They may be dealing with two threats then, Boris and a break-away party.
Stephen Bush writes that it was touch and go with Hodge. If she had been disciplined, then several MPs would have walked.
I don’t think they see Boris as that much of threat, and I can’t blame them. Given how many L’s Corbyn has been taking as far as terrible headlines go, the fact that Boris in that Times poll couldn’t improve that much on the Con VI with his name recognition (hypothetical scenario in which he is leader) is unbelievable.
As for a breakaway party, while I get the sense that some Corbynistas want to have their cake and eat it (criticise moderates loads but not want them to leave) others I think are more than happy to purge ‘Blairites’ out of the Party. Bush IIRC had mentioned prior to this week that 12-15 MPs were thinking of walking, I’m not to surprised at that figure. He’s a much more reliable source on this than Hodges.
The Tories were 4% ahead of Corbyn Labour under May this week with YouGov, so as long as she gets reasonable polling like that there will be no need to replace May with Boris
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Allowed sport to funded like never before.
Blair deserves an honourable mention, biding and winning the Olympics also helped focus the minds and allow new funding streams.
He is a showman and is clearly in a relaxed place
That is the worst Arsenal performance at the Emirates. By a mile. It's early days, but Emery needs to figure out what he wants the players to do because today I didn't have a clue what the tactics were.
I didn't see the Liverpool game but I reckon they could give City a run for their money. But they absolutely have to be in touch with City come their first meeting in October.
Man City 8/13
Liverpool 7/2
Man Utd 12
Chelsea 14
Spurs 16
Arsenal 33
Those are the big six. Next in the betting comes Everton at 250/1 and it is any price the rest.
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/winner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1H0wnX2JjE
After the victory in the men's 4x100m the team could hardly give an interview without being mobbed by the other countries' teams congratulating them.
My own view is that we massively underpaid for Keita.
Johnson should not get away with this, Livingstone was rightly ostracised by Labour for his Zionist comments and forced out after a long time. I think Boris Johnson has done far worse by inciting hatred against an ethnic minority due to their dress.
He did not suggest banning them which, judging by the reactions, would have been popular and allied us to France, Denmark, Belgium and other EU Countries
What's going to mix things up is the Champions League. The competition should be a bit stiffer in the group stage and Liverpool could find themselves in Pot 3 and potentially a really nasty group.
What I am saying is he is inciting hatred. That cannot be right however you look at it and he needs to suffer consequences. The lower echelons of society might start attacking women with head dress due to Johnsons comments.
I have witnessed a few weeks after Brexit a woman spitting at an Irish man and throwing a glass bottle at him due to nationalistic rhetoric, she said she thought Brexit meant people like him should have gone!
https://twitter.com/RealNatalieRowe/status/1028741959521894406
However, it is unlikely anything further will happen to him as the Met have said he has no case to answer
I read that of Muslims in the UK only 0.1% wear the Burka/Niqab.
Are Burqa wearers an ethnic group?
I was quite heartened by my own teams performance at Old Trafford. A little short of cutting edge until Vardy came on, and fragile defensively until our new unpronounceable Centrebacks start, but nonetheless dominated the possession for much of the game.
What a preposterously silly post.
Looks like something worth watching!
https://youtu.be/jZj4M_Qz-mI
However she did come out with this classic line in an earlier tweet, even if a bit too much information
https://twitter.com/RealNatalieRowe/status/1028673551115665411
Some Muslim immigrants have no hair covering, some head coverings partial or full.
It is like saying the BBC is inciting a hate crime for depicting poor people in the UK wearing shells suits, or sports wear.
Don't be fobbed off by the popular appeal angle. This man could be PM in weeks, his judgement is terrible and if white folk incite hatred against a section of society do not be surprised if we have another Manchester type attack because of it. The two play off each other. Believe me I am not a bleeding heart liberal but it is not sensible to push people into a corner through ostracization for a marginal political gain. Johnson does these things for political gain, often he rides two opposing issues at the same time. He is so full of contradictions it makes me wonder what the true Boris Johnson is like. I see people taken in by them, they have this stupid expression on their face where they are impressed by him. It is like a trance. Cannot people see right through him? He is just like Gordon Brown in 2007 getting adulation for little political effort and he is just as Clueless as Brown should he get power.
I almost never saw women wearing niqabs in east London - which has a relatively large Muslim population - until the last year or two and now it's a regular and often multiple times a day occurrence. The numbers are increasing and that percentage share you quote (assuming there is any data behind it) is only likely to rise.
For many the debate is a theoretical concept as they rarely come across it in their white middle class liberal suburbs and shires - but who speaks up for the women in the UK and elsewhere for whom is not a choice.
That he’d recently consulted with Bannon tends to support that belief.
Our Thai owners are increasingly astute, and if they wanted to sack Puel would have done so before the summer. Instead they backed him and so far his new signings look very good indeed, particularly Maddison. Ndidi just gets better and keeping Maguire was the correct decision. We may be a little light up front but top 10 will see him safe, though the owners want to be back in Europe.
The owners are pretty intolerant of a manager who drops into the the relegation zone, but I think that his 4231 system is looking better after Puel has had a proper pre season.
Don't be pedantic about ethnic groups, it shows how valid the argument that he was inciting hatred that you skate on a pin. Indeed, I would go further still in that he was using the head dress as a veiled attack on all Muslims as guess what head dress most people associate most commonly with Muslims (Despite it being a small number actively wearing them). The only white woman I can think of who wears head gear in the UK is Lauren Booth who converted to the Muslim faith IIRC.
What utility other than political expediency for Boris is there in marginalising them?
People need to wake up about this.
Don't be taken in by Johnson. It's easy to believe "He didn't mean it" and think he has altruistic motives. But he does mean it and more people than the intended target get sucked into the negative fallout. I should not care I am from a white background but what if other sections of society are targeted in this way.
Boris is playing a whistle and it is not a nice tune!
Have a pleasant nights rest everyone
I think Johnson should be punished for this in a harsh way. He wrote it under free will and the DT published it. I might also point out he breached the ministerial code in taking that job on as well. Johnson is just a charlatan, we don't want a puppet mini Trump as PM.
Will he strike at Party conference? Time is running out for the 54 year old.
How will this play in Mansfield?
What a tangled world we live in.
Pathetic? Or brilliant?
Do I detect the whiff of panic in the Jezza camp?
6.6 last night.
https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1028734347589898241
If Corbynistas are panicking about anyone, it’s their internal rivals within the Labour Party, that’s where they have the breakdown - when anyone questions Corbyn at all.
But Brandon Lewis himself has a cheek, demanding an apology while disingenuously exculpating himself from the "pairing mistake".
It’s amazing how moderates will blame everyone but themselves for nominating Corbyn.
Stephen Bush writes that it was touch and go with Hodge. If she had been disciplined, then several MPs would have walked.
As for a breakaway party, while I get the sense that some Corbynistas want to have their cake and eat it (criticise moderates loads but not want them to leave) others I think are more than happy to purge ‘Blairites’ out of the Party. Bush IIRC had mentioned prior to this week that 12-15 MPs were thinking of walking, I’m not to surprised at that figure. He’s a much more reliable source on this than Hodges.
After the electorate refused to do their dirty work for them they are in despair led by a man none of them in their gut truly believe in.