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David Cameron, Lynton Crosby et al. have plenty to answer for as well.
It's just lazy thinking. And trolling.
Girls should not be abused, whether by white or Muslim men.
Jo Cox should not have been murdered.
And one of the wordsmiths in our midst can only come up with "bollocks".
No more, no less
This was probably the most satisfying aspect of the leave victory for me.
Worried about Pakistani sex gangs appearing in multiple Northern towns? "hard right"
Want to have sovereignty of your own country? "hard right"
Concerned about mass immigration from the third world? "hard right"
Can add "bigoted" and "racist" to the list of words parroted by these out of touch morons.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article178801512/Migration-Viktor-Orban-fuehlt-sich-von-Deutschland-unfair-behandelt.html
"various prominent Leavers have accused the judiciary, the BBC, the civil service, the CBI, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the governor of the Bank of England and pretty well any other national institution that you can name of seeking to sabotage Brexit.
They have for two years fanned the flames of nativism and used the rhetoric of betrayal, treachery and quislings."
There undoubtedly have been attempts to either stop Brexit outright or to dilute it to such an extent that many would see it as not worth the name. Whether all those on the list deserve to be there is doubtful but some do. To imply that such criticisms are illegitimate and in part responsible for violence is to attempt to shut down a legitimate debate and argument.
Likewise, while I think that the use of the language of 'quislings' and 'treachery' is to be resisted in the context of Brexit, to add in 'betrayal' to the triad is wrong: that is an entirely fair criticism of those who would block Brexit, or those who promised it and would then deliver something much weaker.
There does seem to be a bubbling undercurrent of far-right sentiment in the UK.
Apparently not wanting these people in the country is racist.
https://twitter.com/AngryScotland/status/1014864824080191488?s=19
You just look like complete twats.
Wanting to report on or talk about it is racist too.
I'd hope it would be taken for granted that I condemn people who carry out assaults, send death threats or rape threats, or plot bomb attacks, in the name of right wing politics. Lock them up.
I don't, however, consider that I am responsible for their actions.
Yes, I get what your saying. We don't want these people either, do we? Bloody Australians!
'What, you're saying I'm a racist just because I have justified concerns about brown skinned Muslims flooding our country? YOU'RE the real racist, branding all old, puce faced blokes gammons!'
'What, you're saying I'm a Nazi just because I take part in torch lit parades and have swastika tatoos? YOU'RE the real Nazi, in cahoots with Soros who was definitely a member of the SS!'
etc.
Meeks says so.
And he's got a bloody big Brexenophobia bus that we all know he doesn't know how to park, so you should listen to him.
As much point as trying to deport Stuart Hall.
Though they'll both probably still be here in 2025!
But I thought that was not the main point of the thread header. The main point is how do we disagree about things like that? How do we ensure that people can say that it is racist without a fascist attacking them for daring to disagree?
Brexiteers are taking this as Theresa May effectively ruling out a post-Brexit trade deal with the US just days before the US President arrives in this country.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/theresa-mays-brexit-paper-could-mean-no-us-trade-deal/
You start as a mildly amusing gobshite, then proclaim yourself as an iconoclast and then after much ego stroking you start saying increasingly extreme things just to get a reaction. You end up a lonely troll ranting into cyberspace or fall into much darker things - I believe ultimately some people even end up in the Daily Mail or in the White House. It's horrifying.
There should be a charity dedicated to saving people from this descent into madness.
Yvette Cooper, the Labour chair of the home affairs committee, asks if the Russians have offered any cooperation. And does novichok degrade?
Javid says the UK has received no help from the Russians. If the Russians wanted to be helpful, they could say how they disposed of the nerve agent used to poison the Skripals.
He says, like all nerve agents, it will deteriorate over some time. But that can take months and months”. So this could be the exact same nerve agent used in March, because it would not have had time to deteriorate.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/jul/05/brexit-david-davis-refuses-to-deny-reports-hes-told-may-her-new-customs-plan-wont-work-politics-live?page=with:block-5b3e0aa7e4b0cb7e6f6c1653#block-5b3e0aa7e4b0cb7e6f6c1653
Within a few years it’ll be well if we’re in the customs union we might as join the single market.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/novichok-agent
A typically trenchant and thought-provoking piece from Antifrank for which, as always, many thanks.
I never thought of UKIP as a right-wing party - apart from their immigration stance, in a host of other areas, they seemed quite on the Left as regards spending public money.
Indeed, where is the Right now ? Economically, they are absent - the Conservatives used to be the party of low tax and the small state but that has all been thrown away by the interventionist tax-and-spend May and while Corbyn's economic idiocy may legitimise it somewhat, the truth is May and Hammond's economics and spending aren't far removed from Blair and Brown's and it seems we will all pay more tax to fund the NHS in the future.
http://www.cityam.com/288494/uk-drifting-back-towards-tax-and-spend-politics-without-tax
If there is a gap now in British politics, it's for a centre-right, pro-business, low tax, small state Party advocating a pro-business Brexit.
But I'm white and voted for Brexit so it probably doesn't count. In fact, I probably deserve it.
It's the only way that stops IndyRef2 happening.
She'll go down as a heroine who saved the union that Dave tried to destroy
Voting Leave ≠ racist but there are some who fit both categories.
EDIT: (And there will be some Remain voting racists too of course.)