Arguing for nationalisation of companies really ought to get you kicked out of the Tory party.
Honestly if I wanted to be a member of a party advocating nationalisation I’d have joined the Labour Party.
Free markets or death.
The airlines, aerospace, the railways, the electricity and gas and water industries, the post office and telecommunications were all nationalised under Tory PMs from Churchill to Heath. I may have supported Thatcher's privatisations but you can be a Tory and oppose free trade, it is much more difficult to be a Tory and a republican you may take note. Support for free trade is one of the defining features of a liberal not a conservative
Which Tory PM nationalised the railways? Name names.
As being for pro free trade and support therein, it is what being a Tory is all about.
All the Tory PMs from 1951 to 1974 kept the railways nationalised and refused to privatise them, indeed so did Thatcher and it was not until Major they were privatised.
Being pro free trade and pro free market is a common trait of Tories but not as definitive as being a monarchist say
But none of them actually took the entire railway system from the private sector into the public sector.
Many people complain about British Rail, but my other half's grandmother remembers the system pre nationalisation and didn't think it was very good.
Arguing for nationalisation of companies really ought to get you kicked out of the Tory party.
Honestly if I wanted to be a member of a party advocating nationalisation I’d have joined the Labour Party.
Free markets or death.
The airlines, aerospace, the railways, the electricity and gas and water industries, the post office and telecommunications were all nationalised under Tory PMs from Churchill to Heath. I may have supported Thatcher's privatisations but you can be a Tory and oppose free trade, it is much more difficult to be a Tory and a republican you may take note. Support for free trade is one of the defining features of a liberal not a conservative
Which Tory PM nationalised the railways? Name names.
As being for pro free trade and support therein, it is what being a Tory is all about.
I'd see it as an important part of it, but not the only part.
However, many Conservatives have been hostile to free trade.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
Germany has gone from 39m to 45m, a 15% increase. Spain has gone from 14m to 18.9m, a 35% jump - and the new record.
Greece employment data only starts in 2004, so the numbers are not comparable, nevertheless they show a shift from 4.3m to 3.8m, a 14% fall in employment. Portugal has gone from 4.8m to errr... 4.8m, which is flat employment.
Arguing for nationalisation of companies really ought to get you kicked out of the Tory party.
Honestly if I wanted to be a member of a party advocating nationalisation I’d have joined the Labour Party.
Free markets or death.
The airlines, aerospace, the railways, the electricity and gas and water industries, the post office and telecommunications were all nationalised under Tory PMs from Churchill to Heath. I may have supported Thatcher's privatisations but you can be a Tory and oppose free trade, it is much more difficult to be a Tory and a republican you may take note. Support for free trade is one of the defining features of a liberal not a conservative
Which Tory PM nationalised the railways? Name names.
As being for pro free trade and support therein, it is what being a Tory is all about.
Theresa May is nationalising one on Saturday night.
Not the whole network, just one TOC that returned the franchise.
Technically Network Rail was brought back into public ownership under David Cameron.
Wasn’t that just a reclassification exercise, Blair did the deed, shamefully using the invasion of Afghanistan to bury bad news?
Up until 2014 Network Rail were able to borrow money against their own assets. Now they are queuing up for money from the government just like everyone else.
And given the disaster that was RailTrack, I don't think Labour had much choice.
Why can't Network Rail borrow against their own assets any more ? Seems an odd decision from I presume the coalition Gov't to end that in 2014.
Putting the existing debt on the balance sheet gets NR a better rate of interest. But Phil isn't going to let NR borrow money now it goes down against his name!
Arguing for nationalisation of companies really ought to get you kicked out of the Tory party.
Honestly if I wanted to be a member of a party advocating nationalisation I’d have joined the Labour Party.
Free markets or death.
The airlines, aerospace, the railways, the electricity and gas and water industries, the post office and telecommunications were all nationalised under Tory PMs from Churchill to Heath. I may have supported Thatcher's privatisations but you can be a Tory and oppose free trade, it is much more difficult to be a Tory and a republican you may take note. Support for free trade is one of the defining features of a liberal not a conservative
Which Tory PM nationalised the railways? Name names.
As being for pro free trade and support therein, it is what being a Tory is all about.
Theresa May is nationalising one on Saturday night.
Not the whole network, just one TOC that returned the franchise.
Technically Network Rail was brought back into public ownership under David Cameron.
Wasn’t that just a reclassification exercise, Blair did the deed, shamefully using the invasion of Afghanistan to bury bad news?
Up until 2014 Network Rail were able to borrow money against their own assets. Now they are queuing up for money from the government just like everyone else.
And given the disaster that was RailTrack, I don't think Labour had much choice.
Why can't Network Rail borrow against their own assets any more ? Seems an odd decision from I presume the coalition Gov't to end that in 2014.
Putting the existing debt on the balance sheet gets NR a better rate of interest. But Phil isn't going to let NR borrow money now it goes down against his name!
It's a poor system that lets the accounting niceties drive the decision making, very Gordon Brownesque.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
Germany has gone from 39m to 45m, a 15% increase. Spain has gone from 14m to 18.9m, a 35% jump - and the new record.
Greece employment data only starts in 2004, so the numbers are not comparable, nevertheless they show a shift from 4.3m to 3.8m, a 14% fall in employment. Portugal has gone from 4.8m to errr... 4.8m, which is flat employment.
I was reading that 500,000 Greeks had emigrated to other European countries, which is explained by that figure.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
Germany has gone from 39m to 45m, a 15% increase. Spain has gone from 14m to 18.9m, a 35% jump - and the new record.
Greece employment data only starts in 2004, so the numbers are not comparable, nevertheless they show a shift from 4.3m to 3.8m, a 14% fall in employment. Portugal has gone from 4.8m to errr... 4.8m, which is flat employment.
Italy data only starts in 2004 as well, and has seen employment rise from 22.0m to 23.2m, a 5% increase. The Netherlands data only starts in 2000, and has employment increasing from 6.9m to 8.8m, a 28% move.
So, in summary: Germany has clearly benefited - but so have Ireland, Spain, and the Netherlands, all of which have seen significantly stronger employment growth than (for example) the US.
Greece has clearly lost out badly, while Portugal hasn't done too well either.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
Germany has gone from 39m to 45m, a 15% increase. Spain has gone from 14m to 18.9m, a 35% jump - and the new record.
Greece employment data only starts in 2004, so the numbers are not comparable, nevertheless they show a shift from 4.3m to 3.8m, a 14% fall in employment. Portugal has gone from 4.8m to errr... 4.8m, which is flat employment.
I was reading that 500,000 Greeks had emigrated to other European countries, which is explained by that figure.
I find it fascinating that everyone focuses on Germany, but the Netherlands, Ireland, Spain, and Belgium (of the countries I've checked on Trading Economics) have all done substantially better in terms of employment growth.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
You could also look at unemployed people. Spain 1.6m to 3.3m France 3m to 3,5m Portugal 300K to 380K
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
You could also look at unemployed people. Spain 1.6m to 3.3m France 3m to 3,5m Portugal 300K to 380K
I find employed people to be a generally more useful measure, personally. Why? Because if you're a construction worker with a stay at home wife and a kid in Malaga, then if you lose your job, then you both sign on. That's why unemployment rose quicker in Spain than employment fell.
By comparison, in the US, the benefits system won't pay out to someone who didn't previously have a job, and - compared to Europe - payments are small. This means that the number of people on food stamps disconnected from the employment rate.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
You could also look at unemployed people. Spain 1.6m to 3.3m France 3m to 3,5m Portugal 300K to 380K
I find employed people to be a generally more useful measure, personally. Why? Because if you're a construction worker with a stay at home wife and a kid in Malaga, then if you lose your job, then you both sign on. That's why unemployment rose quicker in Spain than employment fell.
By comparison, in the US, the benefits system won't pay out to someone who didn't previously have a job, and - compared to Europe - payments are small. This means that the number of people on food stamps disconnected from the employment rate.
Food stamp eligibility is also a state matter. In some of the Deep South, it's near impossible to get welfare.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
Germany has gone from 39m to 45m, a 15% increase. Spain has gone from 14m to 18.9m, a 35% jump - and the new record.
Greece employment data only starts in 2004, so the numbers are not comparable, nevertheless they show a shift from 4.3m to 3.8m, a 14% fall in employment. Portugal has gone from 4.8m to errr... 4.8m, which is flat employment.
I was reading that 500,000 Greeks had emigrated to other European countries, which is explained by that figure.
I find it fascinating that everyone focuses on Germany, but the Netherlands, Ireland, Spain, and Belgium (of the countries I've checked on Trading Economics) have all done substantially better in terms of employment growth.
Also what is interesting about Germany is that they have done it with very little population growth. D pop 01/01/1999 82m - pop now 82.7m.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
You could also look at unemployed people. Spain 1.6m to 3.3m France 3m to 3,5m Portugal 300K to 380K
I find employed people to be a generally more useful measure, personally. Why? Because if you're a construction worker with a stay at home wife and a kid in Malaga, then if you lose your job, then you both sign on. That's why unemployment rose quicker in Spain than employment fell.
By comparison, in the US, the benefits system won't pay out to someone who didn't previously have a job, and - compared to Europe - payments are small. This means that the number of people on food stamps disconnected from the employment rate.
Food stamp eligibility is also a state matter. In some of the Deep South, it's near impossible to get welfare.
There's a fascinating disconnection in the US between the employment and the unemployment rate. The US's employment rate is down almost 4% since the beginning of 1999, even though "unemployment" is at an all time low. And the reason is discouraged workers: no point in registering as unemployed if there's no money in it.
Brazil still second-favourites for the World Cup on the Betfair exchange, at 5/1. I don't really see it myself. Value elsewhere, surely? Belgium, at 9/1, perhaps?
The current market looks to have a few prices based more on history than current form (all prices based on back rather than lay):
5.6 Spain 6.0 Brazil 9.2 France 9.4 Germany 10.0 belgium 12.5 England 17.0 Croatia 20.0 Portugal 32.0 uruguay
If a Leave Brexit is implemented (exit from SM, CU and ECJ, in name and in practice) then Leavers rightfully own it. If a Remain Brexit (vassal statehood, open immigration) is implemented, Remainers own it.
If a Leave Brexit is implemented (exit from SM, CU and ECJ, in name and in practice) then Leavers rightfully own it. If a Remain Brexit (vassal statehood, open immigration) is implemented, Remainers own it.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
Germany has gone from 39m to 45m, a 15% increase. Spain has gone from 14m to 18.9m, a 35% jump - and the new record.
Greece employment data only starts in 2004, so the numbers are not comparable, nevertheless they show a shift from 4.3m to 3.8m, a 14% fall in employment. Portugal has gone from 4.8m to errr... 4.8m, which is flat employment.
Italy data only starts in 2004 as well, and has seen employment rise from 22.0m to 23.2m, a 5% increase. The Netherlands data only starts in 2000, and has employment increasing from 6.9m to 8.8m, a 28% move.
So, in summary: Germany has clearly benefited - but so have Ireland, Spain, and the Netherlands, all of which have seen significantly stronger employment growth than (for example) the US.
Greece has clearly lost out badly, while Portugal hasn't done too well either.
You have to adjust these statistics for population surely. Although interesting the UK has outperformed Germany.
Brazil still second-favourites for the World Cup on the Betfair exchange, at 5/1. I don't really see it myself. Value elsewhere, surely? Belgium, at 9/1, perhaps?
The current market looks to have a few prices based more on history than current form (all prices based on back rather than lay):
5.6 Spain 6.0 Brazil 9.2 France 9.4 Germany 10.0 belgium 12.5 England 17.0 Croatia 20.0 Portugal 32.0 uruguay
Ha. And as soon as I post that, they move out to 6.8 (though the revoked penalty might have had something to do with that).
Arguing for nationalisation of companies really ought to get you kicked out of the Tory party.
Honestly if I wanted to be a member of a party advocating nationalisation I’d have joined the Labour Party.
Free markets or death.
The airlines, aerospace, the railways, the electricity and gas and water industries, the post office and telecommunications were all nationalised under Tory PMs from Churchill to Heath. I may have supported Thatcher's privatisations but you can be a Tory and oppose free trade, it is much more difficult to be a Tory and a republican you may take note. Support for free trade is one of the defining features of a liberal not a conservative
Which Tory PM nationalised the railways? Name names.
As being for pro free trade and support therein, it is what being a Tory is all about.
I'd see it as an important part of it, but not the only part.
However, many Conservatives have been hostile to free trade.
Free trade and free markets have been more liberal/neoliberal things throughout history than conservative ones.
Though laissez faire zealotry is why I could never be at home in the Tory party. I would rather judge the evidence on a case by case basis.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
Germany has gone from 39m to 45m, a 15% increase. Spain has gone from 14m to 18.9m, a 35% jump - and the new record.
Greece employment data only starts in 2004, so the numbers are not comparable, nevertheless they show a shift from 4.3m to 3.8m, a 14% fall in employment. Portugal has gone from 4.8m to errr... 4.8m, which is flat employment.
Italy data only starts in 2004 as well, and has seen employment rise from 22.0m to 23.2m, a 5% increase. The Netherlands data only starts in 2000, and has employment increasing from 6.9m to 8.8m, a 28% move.
So, in summary: Germany has clearly benefited - but so have Ireland, Spain, and the Netherlands, all of which have seen significantly stronger employment growth than (for example) the US.
Greece has clearly lost out badly, while Portugal hasn't done too well either.
You have to adjust these statistics for population surely. Although interesting the UK has outperformed Germany.
This is the proportion of people aged 15+ in employment. Now, it's important to remember that the percentage of retired people (i.e. 65+) is in increasing almost everywhere, so that the employment proportion should be in decline in most countries.
Brazil still second-favourites for the World Cup on the Betfair exchange, at 5/1. I don't really see it myself. Value elsewhere, surely? Belgium, at 9/1, perhaps?
The current market looks to have a few prices based more on history than current form (all prices based on back rather than lay):
5.6 Spain 6.0 Brazil 9.2 France 9.4 Germany 10.0 belgium 12.5 England 17.0 Croatia 20.0 Portugal 32.0 uruguay
The notion that England are a more likely winner than Croatia or Portugal is laughable. English odds reflecting the heart over head betting market here.
Brazil still second-favourites for the World Cup on the Betfair exchange, at 5/1. I don't really see it myself. Value elsewhere, surely? Belgium, at 9/1, perhaps?
The current market looks to have a few prices based more on history than current form (all prices based on back rather than lay):
5.6 Spain 6.0 Brazil 9.2 France 9.4 Germany 10.0 belgium 12.5 England 17.0 Croatia 20.0 Portugal 32.0 uruguay
The notion that England are a more likely winner than Croatia or Portugal is laughable. English odds reflecting the heart over head betting market here.
Wait for the over reaction if England beat Panama and manage a draw against Belgium.
If a Remain Brexit is implemented, Remainers own it.
QED
There is no such thing as a "Remain Brexit"
You won. Suck it up.
Remainers have lobbied and lobbied for a BINO ever since the result. You do it on a daily basis. You whinge and cry to be listened to, and for Leavers to be ignored. If you now get your way, you will have won the battle and you will need to suck it up.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
Germany has gone from 39m to 45m, a 15% increase. Spain has gone from 14m to 18.9m, a 35% jump - and the new record.
Greece employment data only starts in 2004, so the numbers are not comparable, nevertheless they show a shift from 4.3m to 3.8m, a 14% fall in employment. Portugal has gone from 4.8m to errr... 4.8m, which is flat employment.
Italy data only starts in 2004 as well, and has seen employment rise from 22.0m to 23.2m, a 5% increase. The Netherlands data only starts in 2000, and has employment increasing from 6.9m to 8.8m, a 28% move.
So, in summary: Germany has clearly benefited - but so have Ireland, Spain, and the Netherlands, all of which have seen significantly stronger employment growth than (for example) the US.
Greece has clearly lost out badly, while Portugal hasn't done too well either.
You have to adjust these statistics for population surely. Although interesting the UK has outperformed Germany.
This is the proportion of people aged 15+ in employment. Now, it's important to remember that the percentage of retired people (i.e. 65+) is in increasing almost everywhere, so that the employment proportion should be in decline in most countries.
So, change since the beginning of the Euro (31/12/98):
Belgium +3 Denmark -3 Estonia +4 Finland +1 France +1 Germany +6 (!) Greece -5 (!) Ireland +3 Italy +1 Latvia +5 Luxembourg +5 Netherlands +2 Norway -2 Portugal -5 Spain +6 (!) Sweden +3 UK +3 USA -4 (!)
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
Germany has gone from 39m to 45m, a 15% increase. Spain has gone from 14m to 18.9m, a 35% jump - and the new record.
Greece employment data only starts in 2004, so the numbers are not comparable, nevertheless they show a shift from 4.3m to 3.8m, a 14% fall in employment. Portugal has gone from 4.8m to errr... 4.8m, which is flat employment.
Italy data only starts in 2004 as well, and has seen employment rise from 22.0m to 23.2m, a 5% increase. The Netherlands data only starts in 2000, and has employment increasing from 6.9m to 8.8m, a 28% move.
So, in summary: Germany has clearly benefited - but so have Ireland, Spain, and the Netherlands, all of which have seen significantly stronger employment growth than (for example) the US.
Greece has clearly lost out badly, while Portugal hasn't done too well either.
You have to adjust these statistics for population surely. Although interesting the UK has outperformed Germany.
This is the proportion of people aged 15+ in employment. Now, it's important to remember that the percentage of retired people (i.e. 65+) is in increasing almost everywhere, so that the employment proportion should be in decline in most countries.
So, change since the beginning of the Euro (1/1/98):
Belgium +3 Denmark -3 Estonia +4 Finland +1 France +1 Germany +6 (!) Greece -5 (!) Ireland +3 Italy +1 Latvia +5 Luxembourg +5 Netherlands +2 Norway -2 Portugal -5 Spain +6 (!) Sweden +3 UK +3 USA -4 (!)
Remainers have lobbied and lobbied for a BINO ever since the result. You do it on a daily basis. You whinge and cry to be listened to, and for Leavers to be ignored. If you now get your way, you will have won the battle and you will need to suck it up.
The Airbus thing is containable while it's one company, albeit an important. If one or more of the car manufacturers weighs in with similar sentiments then it will be leaky anus time in Gammonstan.
Sort of, but I am seeing smaller scale Airbus type decisions. If you get headlines reinforcing what you are experiencing the impact is much greater.
Quite. Airbus has said publicly what just about every corporate boss aside from James Dyson is saying privately. It's probably too late already to stop a significant movement of economic activity out of the UK over the next couple of years.
What about economic activity moving to the UK?
FDI in the UK was $45bn in 2014, $33bn in 2015, $250bn in 2016 .....and $20bn in 2017. 2016 was distorted by some very large takeovers but even so there has been a big drop in foreign investment in the UK since the referendum. And it's not hard to see why.
2016 is the obvious outlier, due as you say, to takeovers.
Overall, investment was up 4% in 2017, which is quite reasonable.
But it's running at half the level it was in 2014 and 2018 will surely see a further drop given Brexit uncertainty.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
Germany has gone from 39m to 45m, a 15% increase. Spain has gone from 14m to 18.9m, a 35% jump - and the new record.
flat employment.
. The Netherlands data only starts in 2000, and has employment increasing from 6.9m to 8.8m, a 28% move.
So, in summary: Germany has clearly benefited - but so have Ireland, Spain, and the Netherlands, all of which have seen significantly stronger employment growth than (for example) the US.
Greece has clearly lost out badly, while Portugal hasn't done too well either.
You have to adjust these statistics for population surely. Although interesting the UK has outperformed Germany.
This is the proportion of people aged 15+ in employment. Now, it's important to remember that the percentage of retired people (i.e. 65+) is in increasing almost everywhere, so that the employment proportion should be in decline in most countries.
So, change since the beginning of the Euro (1/1/98):
Belgium +3 Denmark -3 Estonia +4 Finland +1 France +1 Germany +6 (!) Greece -5 (!) Ireland +3 Italy +1 Latvia +5 Luxembourg +5 Netherlands +2 Norway -2 Portugal -5 Spain +6 (!) Sweden +3 UK +3 USA -4 (!)
Not, I admit, what I would have expected.
Very interesting. Thank you.
I wonder if there should be an emigration adjustment. The Baltics are presumably flattered by population declining not for fertility reasons but because people had to go abroad to work.
I wonder if there should be an emigration adjustment. The Baltics are presumably flattered by population declining not for fertility reasons but because people had to go abroad to work.
According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia), Estonia's population has risen between 2011 (1.294m) and 2018 (1.319m), although I would expect that Latvia and Lithuania are still seeing declines.
I wonder if there should be an emigration adjustment. The Baltics are presumably flattered by population declining not for fertility reasons but because people had to go abroad to work.
According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia), Estonia's population has risen between 2011 (1.294m) and 2018 (1.319m), although I would expect that Latvia and Lithuania are still seeing declines.
Drunken Finns who've come over on the ferry and are found lying in a gutter must get counted in the census figures.
I wonder if there should be an emigration adjustment. The Baltics are presumably flattered by population declining not for fertility reasons but because people had to go abroad to work.
According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia), Estonia's population has risen between 2011 (1.294m) and 2018 (1.319m), although I would expect that Latvia and Lithuania are still seeing declines.
Interestingly, the really big declines in Estonia's population took place before they joined the EU. Their population went from 1.566m in 1989 to 1.37m in 2000.
I wonder if there should be an emigration adjustment. The Baltics are presumably flattered by population declining not for fertility reasons but because people had to go abroad to work.
According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia), Estonia's population has risen between 2011 (1.294m) and 2018 (1.319m), although I would expect that Latvia and Lithuania are still seeing declines.
Interestingly, the really big declines in Estonia's population took place before they joined the EU. Their population went from 1.566m in 1989 to 1.37m in 2000.
Latvia's population has declined by about 7-8,000 people a year in every year since 2008, although that's still an improvement on 10-20,000/year numbers recorded in the 1990s.
So the real question is which other countries have benefited? I would suggest maybe Ireland and Czech as the only 2.
I think the easy was to solve that question would be to ask which countries in the Eurozone have seen an absolute increase in the number of people in employment* since its creation on 1/1/99.
Care to make a guess?
* You could also use the proportion of people in employment.
Ireland started the Euro with 1.57m in employment, and is now at 2.2m. I doubt many other countries in the world have managed a 33% increase.
The UK has gone from 27m to 32m, an 18% jump. The US has gone from 138m to 155m, a 12% increase.
Germany has gone from 39m to 45m, a 15% increase. Spain has gone from 14m to 18.9m, a 35% jump - and the new record.
Greece employment data only starts in 2004, so the numbers are not comparable, nevertheless they show a shift from 4.3m to 3.8m, a 14% fall in employment. Portugal has gone from 4.8m to errr... 4.8m, which is flat employment.
Italy data only starts in 2004 as well, and has seen employment rise from 22.0m to 23.2m, a 5% increase. The Netherlands data only starts in 2000, and has employment increasing from 6.9m to 8.8m, a 28% move.
So, in summary: Germany has clearly benefited - but so have Ireland, Spain, and the Netherlands, all of which have seen significantly stronger employment growth than (for example) the US.
Greece has clearly lost out badly, while Portugal hasn't done too well either.
You have to adjust these statistics for population surely. Although interesting the UK has outperformed Germany.
This is the proportion of people aged 15+ in employment. Now, it's important to remember that the percentage of retired people (i.e. 65+) is in increasing almost everywhere, so that the employment proportion should be in decline in most countries.
So, change since the beginning of the Euro (31/12/98):
Belgium +3 Denmark -3 Estonia +4 Finland +1 France +1 Germany +6 (!) Greece -5 (!) Ireland +3 Italy +1 Latvia +5 Luxembourg +5 Netherlands +2 Norway -2 Portugal -5 Spain +6 (!) Sweden +3 UK +3 USA -4 (!)
Not, I admit, what I would have expected.
Since it joined the EU Latvia's population has dropped by 20%. I suspect that accounts for the rise in the percentage of Latvians in employment.
I wonder if there should be an emigration adjustment. The Baltics are presumably flattered by population declining not for fertility reasons but because people had to go abroad to work.
According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia), Estonia's population has risen between 2011 (1.294m) and 2018 (1.319m), although I would expect that Latvia and Lithuania are still seeing declines.
Interestingly, the really big declines in Estonia's population took place before they joined the EU. Their population went from 1.566m in 1989 to 1.37m in 2000.
I wonder if there should be an emigration adjustment. The Baltics are presumably flattered by population declining not for fertility reasons but because people had to go abroad to work.
According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia), Estonia's population has risen between 2011 (1.294m) and 2018 (1.319m), although I would expect that Latvia and Lithuania are still seeing declines.
Interestingly, the really big declines in Estonia's population took place before they joined the EU. Their population went from 1.566m in 1989 to 1.37m in 2000.
was that ethnic Russians going back to Russia ?
It looks like it. The ethnic Russian population has fallen substantially since 1991. The ethnic Latvian population has only fallen slightly.
The ethnic Latvian population is still well below its 1939 peak. Stalin massacred and deported loads of them in 1940 -41, and more of them fled his vengeance in 1944-45.
Since it joined the EU Latvia's population has dropped by 20%. I suspect that accounts for the rise in the percentage of Latvians in employment.
Spot the inflection point.
I wasn't making any comment on why it had dropped. Just pointing out it had dropped 20% since joining the EU which accounts for why there has been a 5% increase in employment rates.
Since it joined the EU Latvia's population has dropped by 20%. I suspect that accounts for the rise in the percentage of Latvians in employment.
I'm sure that's a major role. The big issue that Latvia (and a lot of other Eastern European countries) have is that the last time their birth rate was above their death rate was back in 1990.
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
I wonder if there should be an emigration adjustment. The Baltics are presumably flattered by population declining not for fertility reasons but because people had to go abroad to work.
According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia), Estonia's population has risen between 2011 (1.294m) and 2018 (1.319m), although I would expect that Latvia and Lithuania are still seeing declines.
Interestingly, the really big declines in Estonia's population took place before they joined the EU. Their population went from 1.566m in 1989 to 1.37m in 2000.
was that ethnic Russians going back to Russia ?
Although there is also a smaller, but real, decline in ethnic Latvians starting in 2004, which is almost certainly an EU effect.
I wonder if there should be an emigration adjustment. The Baltics are presumably flattered by population declining not for fertility reasons but because people had to go abroad to work.
According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia), Estonia's population has risen between 2011 (1.294m) and 2018 (1.319m), although I would expect that Latvia and Lithuania are still seeing declines.
Interestingly, the really big declines in Estonia's population took place before they joined the EU. Their population went from 1.566m in 1989 to 1.37m in 2000.
was that ethnic Russians going back to Russia ?
Although there is also a smaller, but real, decline in ethnic Latvians starting in 2004, which is almost certainly an EU effect.
Don't forget the impact of a higher death than birth rate: this means that even with flat migration (which they don't have), then their population would be declining.
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
Yep. Having lost the major battles they are now fighting a rearguard and sabotage action. Once we have actually left it will be decades (if ever) before the question will be asked again.
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
The idea that *the UK* can be such a country is indeed unobtainable. If you want to redraw the boundaries then be honest about it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
The idea that *the UK* can be such a country is indeed unobtainable. If you want to redraw the boundaries then be honest about it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
Nothing lasts forever. Not the EU, UK, or anything. And it’s definitely not here to stay in it’s present form. It’s morphing into a more integrated body, which is why we left.
Contrary to all the media reports and the full on remainers delight, Airbus’s statement is a warning not just to the UK but the EU 27 as well.
Speaking to Sky News the company’s senior vice president Katherine Bennett said
‘In the event of a no deal we would see chaos at the borders
Our parts move across the borders sometimes up to two or three times perhaps going into a satellite that we build here in the UK or the wings we make here in the UK
We don’t want them to be affected by friction at the borders’
She said
‘Airbus was running out of patience and went on to say the EU member states as well as the UK, need to understand the importance of the Airbus works
It is putting pressure on all sides, it is not just the UK she said
We are an international business and the EU27 need to understand the importance of integration and the way we work’
So the report is a warning to both sides to get their act together, pity the emphasis today is all ante the UK from large and influential groups who want Brexit stopped rather than a fair comment piece by Airbus
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
The idea that *the UK* can be such a country is indeed unobtainable. If you want to redraw the boundaries then be honest about it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
Nothing lasts forever. Not the EU, UK, or anything. And it’s definitely not here to stay in it’s present form. It’s morphing into a more integrated body, which is why we left.
We haven't left yet, and the EU has been on that journey all the while we've been a member.
It's true that nothing lasts forever, but I'd give the EU at least another century.
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
The idea that *the UK* can be such a country is indeed unobtainable. If you want to redraw the boundaries then be honest about it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
Nothing lasts forever. Not the EU, UK, or anything. And it’s definitely not here to stay in it’s present form. It’s morphing into a more integrated body, which is why we left.
We haven't left yet, and the EU has been on that journey all the while we've been a member.
It's true that nothing lasts forever, but I'd give the EU at least another century.
I would expect nothing less from your good self but it is not possible to know if the EU will last the next few years let alone 100
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
The idea that *the UK* can be such a country is indeed unobtainable. If you want to redraw the boundaries then be honest about it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
Nothing lasts forever. Not the EU, UK, or anything. And it’s definitely not here to stay in it’s present form. It’s morphing into a more integrated body, which is why we left.
We haven't left yet, and the EU has been on that journey all the while we've been a member.
It's true that nothing lasts forever, but I'd give the EU at least another century.
Pardon me, voted to leave. Yeah, the people would probably have been more invested in the project had they been given the opportunity to vote on it like other countries do.
Brazil still second-favourites for the World Cup on the Betfair exchange, at 5/1. I don't really see it myself. Value elsewhere, surely? Belgium, at 9/1, perhaps?
The current market looks to have a few prices based more on history than current form (all prices based on back rather than lay):
5.6 Spain 6.0 Brazil 9.2 France 9.4 Germany 10.0 belgium 12.5 England 17.0 Croatia 20.0 Portugal 32.0 uruguay
Belgium, Croatia, and Portugal look better than their odds would suggest.
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
The idea that *the UK* can be such a country is indeed unobtainable. If you want to redraw the boundaries then be honest about it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
Nothing lasts forever. Not the EU, UK, or anything. And it’s definitely not here to stay in it’s present form. It’s morphing into a more integrated body, which is why we left.
We haven't left yet, and the EU has been on that journey all the while we've been a member.
It's true that nothing lasts forever, but I'd give the EU at least another century.
I would expect nothing less from your good self but it is not possible to know if the EU will last the next few years let alone 100
True but people in the UK have been confidently predicting the EU's demise since 1957 and they have been consistently wrong.
Brazil still second-favourites for the World Cup on the Betfair exchange, at 5/1. I don't really see it myself. Value elsewhere, surely? Belgium, at 9/1, perhaps?
The current market looks to have a few prices based more on history than current form (all prices based on back rather than lay):
5.6 Spain 6.0 Brazil 9.2 France 9.4 Germany 10.0 belgium 12.5 England 17.0 Croatia 20.0 Portugal 32.0 uruguay
Belgium, Croatia, and Portugal look better than their odds would suggest.
It would be great if one of them won. Basically anyone but the big favourites.
It's OK. The German car industry can be certain of tariff-free access to the UK market, thanks to the friendly Brexit negotiating approach from those in Brussels.
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
The idea that *the UK* can be such a country is indeed unobtainable. If you want to redraw the boundaries then be honest about it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
Nothing lasts forever. Not the EU, UK, or anything. And it’s definitely not here to stay in it’s present form. It’s morphing into a more integrated body, which is why we left.
We haven't left yet, and the EU has been on that journey all the while we've been a member.
It's true that nothing lasts forever, but I'd give the EU at least another century.
I would expect nothing less from your good self but it is not possible to know if the EU will last the next few years let alone 100
True but people in the UK have been confidently predicting the EU's demise since 1957 and they have been consistently wrong.
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
The idea that *the UK* can be such a country is indeed unobtainable. If you want to redraw the boundaries then be honest about it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
Nothing lasts forever. Not the EU, UK, or anything. And it’s definitely not here to stay in it’s present form. It’s morphing into a more integrated body, which is why we left.
We haven't left yet, and the EU has been on that journey all the while we've been a member.
It's true that nothing lasts forever, but I'd give the EU at least another century.
I would expect nothing less from your good self but it is not possible to know if the EU will last the next few years let alone 100
True but people in the UK have been confidently predicting the EU's demise since 1957 and they have been consistently wrong.
It has long since died from its original form. No doubt it will change much in the future. I'm not convinced that more unity is possible without federalisation.
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
The idea that *the UK* can be such a country is indeed unobtainable. If you want to redraw the boundaries then be honest about it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
We have managed to stand alone in terms of political independence for the overwhelming majority of our history. Your belief that we need to be part of the EU political project to survive is simply laughable.
It's OK. The German car industry can be certain of tariff-free access to the UK market, thanks to the friendly Brexit negotiating approach from those in Brussels.
currently the german car industry is crapping itself
- diesel gate and its dependency on diesel - senior executives arrests - Trump - UK market - uncertainty at home
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
The idea that *the UK* can be such a country is indeed unobtainable. If you want to redraw the boundaries then be honest about it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
Nothing lasts forever. Not the EU, UK, or anything. And it’s definitely not here to stay in it’s present form. It’s morphing into a more integrated body, which is why we left.
We haven't left yet, and the EU has been on that journey all the while we've been a member.
It's true that nothing lasts forever, but I'd give the EU at least another century.
I would expect nothing less from your good self but it is not possible to know if the EU will last the next few years let alone 100
People have been predicting the imminent demise of the EU since 2008 and it's not come close. Support across most of the continent is strong, and particularly within the political class. Even if one or two countries cause real difficulties by electing populist, nationalist governments, it wouldn't be the sort of thing that the EU hasn't faced in the past and whether by exclusion or endurance, would likely overcome them. It'd be a blow to the EU's pride and momentum but that might be no bad thing anyway,
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
The idea that *the UK* can be such a country is indeed unobtainable. If you want to redraw the boundaries then be honest about it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
We have managed to stand alone in terms of political independence for the overwhelming majority of our history. Your belief that we need to be part of the EU political project to survive is simply laughable.
'Survival' is a remarkably low bar in all but the most extreme of circumstances, which these are not.
Contrary to all the media reports and the full on remainers delight, Airbus’s statement is a warning not just to the UK but the EU 27 as well.
Speaking to Sky News the company’s senior vice president Katherine Bennett said
‘In the event of a no deal we would see chaos at the borders
Our parts move across the borders sometimes up to two or three times perhaps going into a satellite that we build here in the UK or the wings we make here in the UK
We don’t want them to be affected by friction at the borders’
She said
‘Airbus was running out of patience and went on to say the EU member states as well as the UK, need to understand the importance of the Airbus works
It is putting pressure on all sides, it is not just the UK she said
We are an international business and the EU27 need to understand the importance of integration and the way we work’
So the report is a warning to both sides to get their act together, pity the emphasis today is all ante the UK from large and influential groups who want Brexit stopped rather than a fair comment piece by Airbus
Only one country is leaving the EU. If the wings were made in France there would be no need of a frictionless border as there would not be one.
Brexit is like communism - attractive in theory but impossible to implement in the way its adherents promised.
The idea that being an independent country in a similar manner to Australia amd Canada is as unobtainable as communist utopia is plainly nonsense. This is why Remainers must concentrate on attacking the process rather than the end state. As soon as the process is over and the debate is fully independent UK vs semi-autonomous EU member, they will be on the wrong side of all the arguments again. It also explains why they are trying to set up a vassal state status rather than full auonomy.
The idea that *the UK* can be such a country is indeed unobtainable. If you want to redraw the boundaries then be honest about it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
Nothing lasts forever. Not the EU, UK, or anything. And it’s definitely not here to stay in it’s present form. It’s morphing into a more integrated body, which is why we left.
We haven't left yet, and the EU has been on that journey all the while we've been a member.
It's true that nothing lasts forever, but I'd give the EU at least another century.
I would expect nothing less from your good self but it is not possible to know if the EU will last the next few years let alone 100
People have been predicting the imminent demise of the EU since 2008 and it's not come close. Support across most of the continent is strong, and particularly within the political class. Even if one or two countries cause real difficulties by electing populist, nationalist governments, it wouldn't be the sort of thing that the EU hasn't faced in the past and whether by exclusion or endurance, would likely overcome them. It'd be a blow to the EU's pride and momentum but that might be no bad thing anyway,
I don't believe the EU will collapse but it may well shed a few more members if it continues on its current path.
Contrary to all the media reports and the full on remainers delight, Airbus’s statement is a warning not just to the UK but the EU 27 as well.
Speaking to Sky News the company’s senior vice president Katherine Bennett said
‘In the event of a no deal we would see chaos at the borders
Our parts move across the borders sometimes up to two or three times perhaps going into a satellite that we build here in the UK or the wings we make here in the UK
We don’t want them to be affected by friction at the borders’
She said
‘Airbus was running out of patience and went on to say the EU member states as well as the UK, need to understand the importance of the Airbus works
It is putting pressure on all sides, it is not just the UK she said
We are an international business and the EU27 need to understand the importance of integration and the way we work’
So the report is a warning to both sides to get their act together, pity the emphasis today is all ante the UK from large and influential groups who want Brexit stopped rather than a fair comment piece by Airbus
Only one country is leaving the EU. If the wings were made in France there would be no need of a frictionless border as there would not be one.
I thought they were talking about moving it to China/US?
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However, many Conservatives have been hostile to free trade.
Portugal has gone from 4.8m to errr... 4.8m, which is flat employment.
The Netherlands data only starts in 2000, and has employment increasing from 6.9m to 8.8m, a 28% move.
So, in summary: Germany has clearly benefited - but so have Ireland, Spain, and the Netherlands, all of which have seen significantly stronger employment growth than (for example) the US.
Greece has clearly lost out badly, while Portugal hasn't done too well either.
Surely Corbyn is the main culprit
Spain 1.6m to 3.3m
France 3m to 3,5m
Portugal 300K to 380K
A Fortnum& Mason Jason Lee.
By comparison, in the US, the benefits system won't pay out to someone who didn't previously have a job, and - compared to Europe - payments are small. This means that the number of people on food stamps disconnected from the employment rate.
Neymar Jnr is still a donkey.
The current market looks to have a few prices based more on history than current form (all prices based on back rather than lay):
5.6 Spain
6.0 Brazil
9.2 France
9.4 Germany
10.0 belgium
12.5 England
17.0 Croatia
20.0 Portugal
32.0 uruguay
Though laissez faire zealotry is why I could never be at home in the Tory party. I would rather judge the evidence on a case by case basis.
There is no such thing as a "Remain Brexit"
You won. Suck it up.
This is the proportion of people aged 15+ in employment. Now, it's important to remember that the percentage of retired people (i.e. 65+) is in increasing almost everywhere, so that the employment proportion should be in decline in most countries.
Belgium +3
Denmark -3
Estonia +4
Finland +1
France +1
Germany +6 (!)
Greece -5 (!)
Ireland +3
Italy +1
Latvia +5
Luxembourg +5
Netherlands +2
Norway -2
Portugal -5
Spain +6 (!)
Sweden +3
UK +3
USA -4 (!)
Not, I admit, what I would have expected.
Never knew I had such power...
Shame Brazil scored late on.
F1: apparently, Leclerc is likely to go to Ferrari.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article178024250/Asylstreit-der-Union-Die-SPD-bereitet-sich-auf-Neuwahlen-vor.html
May safer than Merkel ?
That said, new elections in German would probably make it even harder to form a stable government.
The ethnic Latvian population is still well below its 1939 peak. Stalin massacred and deported loads of them in 1940 -41, and more of them fled his vengeance in 1944-45.
But it was all a fantasy, and many of them knew it was a fantasy when they peddled it.
Even then, the geopolitical and historical position of Britain is quite different, and were we to try to go it alone there is no good reason to think it would have a positive outcome. At the end of the day we are Europeans and we have never been able to stand aloof from European politics, however much we might have wanted to. Leaving the main political framework of Europe, that has proven its resiliency and is here to stay, so that we can sit in splendid isolation is simply a bad idea.
Brexit means a completely different Brexit that he never told anyone about...
Speaking to Sky News the company’s senior vice president Katherine Bennett said
‘In the event of a no deal we would see chaos at the borders
Our parts move across the borders sometimes up to two or three times perhaps going into a satellite that we build here in the UK or the wings we make here in the UK
We don’t want them to be affected by friction at the borders’
She said
‘Airbus was running out of patience and went on to say the EU member states as well as the UK, need to understand the importance of the Airbus works
It is putting pressure on all sides, it is not just the UK she said
We are an international business and the EU27 need to understand the importance of integration and the way we work’
So the report is a warning to both sides to get their act together, pity the emphasis today is all ante the UK from large and influential groups who want Brexit stopped rather than a fair comment piece by Airbus
It's true that nothing lasts forever, but I'd give the EU at least another century.
What did you do in the great Brexit War?
- diesel gate and its dependency on diesel
- senior executives arrests
- Trump
- UK market
- uncertainty at home
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.137597547
https://www.betfair.com/sport/football/event?eventId=28500624