At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
Tory pensioners staying at home during the day. Hard-working Labourites will be casting their ballots on the way home this evening.
Tory pensioners votes may well be in the post. But if Royal Mail's recent standards are anything to go by they might not show up !
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
A repeat of Copeland would be very amusing, hugely reassuring for the PM and open up the wound for Corbyn.
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
It is possible -- voters tend not to like unnecessary byelections.
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
A repeat of Copeland would be very amusing, hugely reassuring for the PM and open up the wound for Corbyn.
Sadly Betfair make it a 1000/1 chance.
Probably a better 1000-1 than backing Saudi Arabia outright though
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
A repeat of Copeland would be very amusing, hugely reassuring for the PM and open up the wound for Corbyn.
Sadly Betfair make it a 1000/1 chance.
Probably a better 1000-1 than backing Saudi Arabia outright though
I think I’ll stick to betting on cricket! I always lose money on football.
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
A repeat of Copeland would be very amusing, hugely reassuring for the PM and open up the wound for Corbyn.
Sadly Betfair make it a 1000/1 chance.
Dream on buddy!
This is London where the populace is young, liberal, sophisticated and progressive. It's not some backwater province!
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Naive question but is that allowed?
I don't see why it shouldn't be. There's plenty of electioneering on election day in the modern day and age on tw@tter tbh.
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
A repeat of Copeland would be very amusing, hugely reassuring for the PM and open up the wound for Corbyn.
Sadly Betfair make it a 1000/1 chance.
Dream on buddy!
This is London where the populace is young, liberal, sophisticated and progressive. It's not some backwater province!
So you're theory is that none of them have actually got out of their beds yet? You could be on to something.
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
Tory pensioners staying at home during the day. Hard-working Labourites will be casting their ballots on the way home this evening.
Tory pensioners votes may well be in the post. But if Royal Mail's recent standards are anything to go by they might not show up !
Royal Mail normally gets the postals in well on time
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
A repeat of Copeland would be very amusing, hugely reassuring for the PM and open up the wound for Corbyn.
Sadly Betfair make it a 1000/1 chance.
Dream on buddy!
This is London where the populace is young, liberal, sophisticated and progressive. It's not some backwater province!
That does not stop the LDs winning and of course given a third of Lewisham voted Leave the Tories are not completely out of it either if the left liberal vote is split between Labour and the LDs on low turnout
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
Tory pensioners staying at home during the day. Hard-working Labourites will be casting their ballots on the way home this evening.
You can vote before work you know!
Plus plenty of Tory commuters in Blackheath and Grove Park
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
A repeat of Copeland would be very amusing, hugely reassuring for the PM and open up the wound for Corbyn.
Sadly Betfair make it a 1000/1 chance.
Dream on buddy!
This is London where the populace is young, liberal, sophisticated and progressive. It's not some backwater province!
That does not stop the LDs winning and of course given a third of Lewisham voted Leave the Tories are not completely out of it either if the left liberal vote is split between Labour and the LDs on low turnout
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
To lose ultra Leave Copeland in a by election was bad for Corbyn to lose ultra Remain Lewisham East too would be inexcusable
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
To lose ultra Leave Copeland in a by election was bad for Corbyn to lose ultra Remain Lewisham East too would be inexcusable
Really not going to happen. Labour 50-60% would be my guess. As for the also rans, well who cares (unless they have money on it)?
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
Better still, I have a few quid on LDs!!!
Tories down to 100s on BF.....
Better to lay Labour at 1.01 in that case and have both opposition parties running for you.
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
To lose ultra Leave Copeland in a by election was bad for Corbyn to lose ultra Remain Lewisham East too would be inexcusable
Really not going to happen. Labour 50-60% would be my guess. As for the also rans, well who cares (unless they have money on it)?
I don't have money on the teeny tinies but Waters vs UKIP is an interesting subplot to be fair.
We're 14 minutes past the deadline for the Government to publish the compromise amendment on a "meaningful vote" for the Lords on Monday. Dominic Grieve is now on a train. Ros Altmann has tabled the original Grieve amendment in the Lords. So it looks as if the discussions failed.
I understand the Govt has tabled an amendment that has not been agreed by Dominic Grieve. Grateful for the conversations but without consultation what was agreed earlier today has been changed.
The New Orleans AG charges against tax fraud in the Trump Foundation is a slam dunk. Incredibly obvious use of the foundation as a personal slush fund.
The New Orleans AG charges against tax fraud in the Trump Foundation is a slam dunk. Incredibly obvious use of the foundation as a personal slush fund.
I've got some bets on an unsuccesful impeachment so hopefully the House Democrats will do that.
Think I'm going to lay the polonium poisoners in the footy.
Me too. The first result is often an upset for the hosts, from memory.
Today is the last day of Ramadan so before laying Russia, I'd want to know if the Saudi team has some sort of dispensation to rehydrate.
Not an expert, but I thought that "travellers" were allowed to eat and drink?
Correct. And those who have good reason not to fast during Ramadan will often choose to fast at another time of year instead. Not sure how strict the Saudi football team are about these things though.
Oh, and Ramadan just officially finished as the new moon has been sighted this evening. Eid Mubarak to all Muslim PBers!
Some 46 per cent say that Britain was wrong to leave the EU, while 43 per cent say it was the right decision. Last week it was 44 per cent for each.
The public still put the Tories ahead of Labour as the party of choice to deliver Brexit. Some 26 per cent chose the Tories, 16 per cent would choose Labour and 10 per cent would pick Ukip.
The poll also found 40 per cent think it would be legitimate for Parliament to reject the Brexit deal, with 37 per cent thinking the opposite. However, only 32 per cent think it would be legitimate for Parliament to block Brexit completely while 49 per cent do not.
I'm sure he'll have plenty of prepared attack lines from Ali Campbell and Tony Blair by then...
I'd love to be in that audience and call him a traitor and watch him bluster. His masters are in Brussels.
He's wrong, but I doubt if he's in the employ of a foreign power.
The others I believe are just a bit misguided, Grieve is far too smart not to realise that all of his actions are strengthening the hand of our opponent and weakening our own. His motivations are suspect. Personally I think a healthy dose of McCarthyism to root out all of those working on behalf of Brussels would be useful.
So many tellers, you wonder whether they're actually knocking up off the back of it...
Labour and I think the Tories discourage activists from telling - SOP is to believe people who say they've voted, since even if you say "Liar!" it's not going to make them go, so telling distracts activists from reminding voters. Some still insist, e.g. because they are councillors who want to greet familiar faces as they go in.
I'm sure he'll have plenty of prepared attack lines from Ali Campbell and Tony Blair by then...
I'd love to be in that audience and call him a traitor and watch him bluster. His masters are in Brussels.
He's wrong, but I doubt if he's in the employ of a foreign power.
The others I believe are just a bit misguided, Grieve is far too smart not to realise that all of his actions are strengthening the hand of our opponent and weakening our own. His motivations are suspect. Personally I think a healthy dose of McCarthyism to root out all of those working on behalf of Brussels would be useful.
Says the man whose side was balls deep in with Russia.
You're overcompensating, you're the traitor mate.
Before you know you'll be paying your taxes in a foreign country instead of the Exchequer.
At the polling station opposite Blackheath railway station they've got a sheet of paper posted outside with the number of voters each hour (excluding postal voters). The running total at this polling station at 4pm was 286. According to this document the total number of voters in 2014 was 1,914. But I don't know whether that's the local or general election electorate.
So that would mean turnout at 4pm at this polling station was around 15%. That would give a turnout of around 25% if the same rate continues for the rest of the day.
Heading off to Blackheath station in about half an hour, in my view the lower the turnout the more chance the Tories and LDs have as it is most likely Labour voters who constitute most of those staying at home
It would be hilarious if Labour lost another by election.
A repeat of Copeland would be very amusing, hugely reassuring for the PM and open up the wound for Corbyn.
Sadly Betfair make it a 1000/1 chance.
Dream on buddy!
This is London where the populace is young, liberal, sophisticated and progressive. It's not some backwater province!
I'm sure he'll have plenty of prepared attack lines from Ali Campbell and Tony Blair by then...
I'd love to be in that audience and call him a traitor and watch him bluster. His masters are in Brussels.
He's wrong, but I doubt if he's in the employ of a foreign power.
The others I believe are just a bit misguided, Grieve is far too smart not to realise that all of his actions are strengthening the hand of our opponent and weakening our own. His motivations are suspect. Personally I think a healthy dose of McCarthyism to root out all of those working on behalf of Brussels would be useful.
I agree that Grieve is trying his hardest to weaken the government's hand. Were I on the Executive of his association, I'd certainly want to remove him. But, I think that allegations of treason should not be made lightly.
So many tellers, you wonder whether they're actually knocking up off the back of it...
Labour and I think the Tories discourage activists from telling - SOP is to believe people who say they've voted, since even if you say "Liar!" it's not going to make them go, so telling distracts activists from reminding voters. Some still insist, e.g. because they are councillors who want to greet familiar faces as they go in.
I don’t know about by elections, but I’ve been a Tory teller in two different constituencies at generals. There was a labour counterpart in one of them.
I have a vision that somewhere someone is saying 'Mr Smithson, can you stop playing the the greenscreen and return to your office please', but I imagine Robert is too important to be so chided.
I must say I am baffled by economic matters, but have always wondered at how well assessed productivity is and how useful it is.
I'm sure he'll have plenty of prepared attack lines from Ali Campbell and Tony Blair by then...
I'd love to be in that audience and call him a traitor and watch him bluster. His masters are in Brussels.
He's wrong, but I doubt if he's in the employ of a foreign power.
The others I believe are just a bit misguided, Grieve is far too smart not to realise that all of his actions are strengthening the hand of our opponent and weakening our own. His motivations are suspect. Personally I think a healthy dose of McCarthyism to root out all of those working on behalf of Brussels would be useful.
Just listen to yourself! The only 'healthy dose of McCarthyism' is no McCarthyism at all.
"McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence." Is that the kind of country you want to live in?
Grieve and his acolytes are a cowardly bunch. If they really believe that Brexit is the worst possible outcome for Britain, they should support Corbyn in a vote of no confidence to change the government or trigger an election, in which they could stand as Lib Dems.
That would, however, require a measure of courage.
What time tonight will Corbyn be making the standards announcement of 'This win in a safe seat shows how the government has lost the argument on everything it is doing and must now do as I say' that LoTo are obliged to make?
Grieve and his acolytes are a cowardly bunch. If they really believe that Brexit is the worst possible outcome for Britain, they should support Corbyn in a vote of no confidence to change the government or trigger an election, in which they could stand as Lib Dems.
That would, however, require a measure of courage.
In fairness if they believe Brexit is the worst outcome there's not much point in a vote of no confidence which might lead to an election which Corbyn wins, since he's for Brexit as well.
But there are plenty on various sides who should show more courage - if they think soft Brexit is a disaster hard brexiters should rebel more than they do, and if any brexit is a disaster then more remainers should rebel.
Seems like best case scenario for the Tories would have been holding onto second, and it'd still not be much to crow about, so I can understand not being as up for it as the LDs, who have a second place as a kind of victory.
Has May just tried to shaft the remainer rebels and thereby set her self up for another cliff edge next week? Or am I missing some twist?
Another cliff edge next week.
On Monday the Lords will add the Grieve amendment and send it back to the Commons. On Wednesday the Commons will vote on it. This time Grieve and co won't be fooled by last minute offers on the floor of the house or by the PM in her office behind the Speaker's chair.
Last time the Government had a majority of 28. There were two Tory rebels (Soubry and Clarke) and five Labour rebels (Stringer, Hoey, Campbell, Field and Mann).
I think there are about 15-20 Tory rebels including Sourby and Clarke. They need 16 for a dead heat (assuming no more labour rebels). It will be tight.
EDIT: I forgot the new Lewisham MP. 16 for Grieve to win. I think he will.
So how else do you explain his inexplicable "not-EEA" amendment which sunk any chance of Parliament passing the actual EEA amendment? He ensured that there is literally no chance of the country staying in the single market with that move.
On the current path the UK will be in the single market in April 2019 so being absolutist about the EEA can lead you to the wrong conclusions.
If one thing is clear from this week, the 200 vote majority in the Commons to leave the EEA ensures we will not be in the single market beyond the transition period
It merely ensures that having cake and eating it remains the government's position but it has no bearing on which way things will ultimately fall.
A Canada style FTA remains the endpoint
A Canada style FTA is incompatible with the promise to have no border between GB and NI and incompatible with any number of other promises the government has made. It's merely a slogan, not a position.
Every result is incompatible with a no border promise. That promise is stupid and will not stand.
You think there will be a border btwn RoI and NI?
Yes. What form it will take I have no idea but since we will be leaving the SM there will be a border.
There is a hard border sign between Scotland and England.
Big aluminium thing with with "Welcome to Scotland" on it.
Has May just tried to shaft the remainer rebels and thereby set her self up for another cliff edge next week? Or am I missing some twist?
I think there are about 15-20 Tory rebels including Sourby and Clarke.
Sourby? Freudian slip?
I must say I don't really know how many of these rebels there are supposed to be - I know rebels will always talk up their numbers, but outside the most recalcitrant trio of Clarke, Grieve and Soubry I cannot think of any off the top of my head, so most will be less prominent even if there are 15-20 I assume.
I'm much in favour of expanding it as a term so it is not restricted to one wing of politics (it does list examples for both) or a narrow scenario eg for communist nations.
I'm sure he'll have plenty of prepared attack lines from Ali Campbell and Tony Blair by then...
I'd love to be in that audience and call him a traitor and watch him bluster. His masters are in Brussels.
He's wrong, but I doubt if he's in the employ of a foreign power.
The others I believe are just a bit misguided, Grieve is far too smart not to realise that all of his actions are strengthening the hand of our opponent and weakening our own. His motivations are suspect. Personally I think a healthy dose of McCarthyism to root out all of those working on behalf of Brussels would be useful.
I agree that Grieve is trying his hardest to weaken the government's hand. Were I on the Executive of his association, I'd certainly want to remove him. But, I think that allegations of treason should not be made lightly.
Precisely because no one takes them remotely seriously, we might as well fling them around.
In a democracy, the people are Sovereign. They expressed a will and he is now exerting any and every influence and power he has to thwart that will.
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Sadly Betfair make it a 1000/1 chance.
This is London where the populace is young, liberal, sophisticated and progressive. It's not some backwater province!
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28154066/market?marketId=1.143666825
Plus plenty of Tory commuters in Blackheath and Grove Park
Lewisham will be a safe Labour hold. This is a one-party borough.
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I understand the Govt has tabled an amendment that has not been agreed by Dominic Grieve. Grateful for the conversations but without consultation what was agreed earlier today has been changed.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mmFaFmR3d8I
Oh, and Ramadan just officially finished as the new moon has been sighted this evening. Eid Mubarak to all Muslim PBers!
I'm sure he'll have plenty of prepared attack lines from Ali Campbell and Tony Blair by then...
Also, like all of these things it says more about the accuser than the accused.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1007303345860759557
The public still put the Tories ahead of Labour as the party of choice to deliver Brexit. Some 26 per cent chose the Tories, 16 per cent would choose Labour and 10 per cent would pick Ukip.
The poll also found 40 per cent think it would be legitimate for Parliament to reject the Brexit deal, with 37 per cent thinking the opposite. However, only 32 per cent think it would be legitimate for Parliament to block Brexit completely while 49 per cent do not.
You're overcompensating, you're the traitor mate.
Before you know you'll be paying your taxes in a foreign country instead of the Exchequer.
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1007304941717868544?s=20
I must say I am baffled by economic matters, but have always wondered at how well assessed productivity is and how useful it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
"McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence." Is that the kind of country you want to live in?
That would, however, require a measure of courage.
You don't need to check if your suppoters have voted. Just ring them regardless.
But there are plenty on various sides who should show more courage - if they think soft Brexit is a disaster hard brexiters should rebel more than they do, and if any brexit is a disaster then more remainers should rebel.
We are leaving the EU, the CA and the SM.
On Monday the Lords will add the Grieve amendment and send it back to the Commons. On Wednesday the Commons will vote on it. This time Grieve and co won't be fooled by last minute offers on the floor of the house or by the PM in her office behind the Speaker's chair.
Last time the Government had a majority of 28. There were two Tory rebels (Soubry and Clarke) and five Labour rebels (Stringer, Hoey, Campbell, Field and Mann).
I think there are about 15-20 Tory rebels including Sourby and Clarke. They need 16 for a dead heat (assuming no more labour rebels). It will be tight.
EDIT: I forgot the new Lewisham MP. 16 for Grieve to win. I think he will.
Big aluminium thing with with "Welcome to Scotland" on it.
I must say I don't really know how many of these rebels there are supposed to be - I know rebels will always talk up their numbers, but outside the most recalcitrant trio of Clarke, Grieve and Soubry I cannot think of any off the top of my head, so most will be less prominent even if there are 15-20 I assume.
Even if I did not agree with it at the time.
https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/1007310530351157248
https://unherd.com/2018/06/six-types-useful-idiot/
I'm much in favour of expanding it as a term so it is not restricted to one wing of politics (it does list examples for both) or a narrow scenario eg for communist nations.
In a democracy, the people are Sovereign. They expressed a will and he is now exerting any and every influence and power he has to thwart that will.